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I have been dating a man who is Pentecostal. I was raised Catholic (not practicing). He has recently told me that he will not get married to someone who is not baptized in the same faith. I feel I have already been baptized and confirmed and do not want to do it again. Any advice?

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Baptism is not really the answer for a difference of faith with marriage.
I have seen guys go to church just to get a chick and then when they get baptized and the two are married the guy makes life hell for the girl.
A person getting baptized without truly repenting first comes up nothing more than a wet sinner.
There is no change and Christ is not the center of their marriage.
Be careful.
I have seen lives ruined and souls lost over this.
---Del on 6/25/11


\\Being baptized agin would be a simple solution to this issue,\\

wivv, what you're asking V to do is to violate her conscience.

Would you violate your own conscience to give a "simple solution to an issue"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/25/11


\\What Jesus meant by that scripture is that "forgive us as we forgive those who trespass against us."\\

Linking the Lord's prayer to Christ's commission to the Apostle's to forgive sins is a bad exegesis, and it's NOT how it was understood by the early Christian writers.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/11


If there is already a problem in your relationship that is really this simple, you may be in for trouble in the long run. Being baptized agin would be a simple solution to this issue, but if something this minor is causing problems, you might want to reconsider your relationship. He is correct in a way, but don't think he knows why. Baptism is a testimony of what has transpired in a person's life, and that is they have accepted Christ as Savior. Baptism before this is not valid since there is no testimony to give. Ask him if this is his reason for asking you to be baptized - if not his reason, you are back to "square one" with a problem that could be a wedge in all future problems and that is, "It's my way or no way".
---wivv on 6/24/11


No Cluny you did. What Jesus meant by that scripture is that "forgive us as we forgive those who trespass against us."

Jesus told the Apostles, "forgive and you will be forgiven." He didn't tell them they HAVE THE POWER to forgive sins, they have the CHOICE to forgive one another, each other and whoever sins against them. He did NOT tell them they have the POWER to FORGIVE, but to forgive and they will be forgiven. I hope this is coming across more clearer to you now. Are you "seeing" this?
---Donna5535 on 6/24/11




V
Baptism is an outward display of a clean conscience after repentance.
There is no forgiveness until after repentance.
The children of Israel were always commanded to marry within Israel. True Christians should marry true Christians after the Holy Ghost (not the lust of the flesh) has led the right man and woman together.
For this to work out both need to repent, be baptized and live with Christ first and foremost in their life.
Christening a baby is not scriptural as a baby does not know that it is a sinner needing Christ to make the atonement for it's sin and able to repent.
---Del on 6/24/11


\\You are taking the meaning of this scripture out of context. ONLY JESUS has the POWER to forgive sins.\\

No, you are. The Bible clearly says that Jesus gave the power of forgiving sins to His Apostles, who passed it down to their successors.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/11


this is a difficult one for those who want to make it difficult, my question, if you where a non-practicing catholic, what will make you a practicing pentecostal? answer this question, to yourself and future spouse and you'll find an answer. besides i feel he is not that serious with his type of christianity either since he "dated an unbeliever" according his feeling. so why is it ok to date a unbelieving catholic and then not to marry her? you guy has to ghet real himself. it's or or,not and and
---andy3996 on 6/24/11


Cluny you said: But Pentecostals DO teach salvation by works and following man-made rules, such as "drink not, dance not, smoke not, wear not." can you tell me there are no sects in your denomination that preaches and teaches the same just like others.
---andy3996 on 6/24/11


//Donna, Jesus DID say to His Apostles, "Whoever sins you forgive, they are forgiven. Whoever sins you retain, they are retained."

How do you square the words of Jesus with your words?
---Cluny on 6/23/11//

Cluny, the bible also says, Forgive us our trespasses AS we forgive those who trespass against us. You are taking the meaning of this scripture out of context. ONLY JESUS has the POWER to forgive sins.

There's not enough space here to show how you took that scripture out of context.
Glory be to Jesus!
We love you Lord.
---Donna5535 on 6/24/11




\\ I have been attending his church with him.\\

Has he been attending your church with you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/11


Thanks to all for your responses. Sorry. It was hard to fit in so much info in so little space. There is no pressure to do anything. I have been attending his church with him. I am working on my relationship with God. But I do believe that between my baptism and confirmation that I have CHOSEN (which was done as a teen). Doing it again just doesn't feel right. It does not mean I don't accept God.
---V on 6/23/11


\\ONLY JESUS HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS. NOT A PRIEST, NOT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. ONLY JESUS HAS THAT POWER Ruben.
---Donna5535 on 6/23/11\\

Donna, Jesus DID say to His Apostles, "Whoever sins you forgive, they are forgiven. Whoever sins you retain, they are retained."

How do you square the words of Jesus with your words?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/11


\\Many denominations have some doctrinal errors, they all cannot be 100% right,\\

That's why I'm Orthodox.

We are not denominational.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/11


Ruben, Jesus said:
Matthew 9:6 - But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

ONLY JESUS HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS. NOT A PRIEST, NOT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. ONLY JESUS HAS THAT POWER Ruben.
---Donna5535 on 6/23/11

But yet scripture tells us "And the multitude seeing it, feared, and glorified God that gave such power to men." v8- Which men were they? Jhn 20:20-23 answers it for us!
---Ruben on 6/23/11


//Donna5535 * a Catholic I believed in mad-made rules such as confessing my sins to a priest. This is NOT in the bible.

Yes it is:

"And the multitude seeing it, feared, and glorified God that gave such power to men."(MT 9:6-8)
---Ruben on 6/23/11//

Ruben, Jesus said:
Matthew 9:6 - But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

ONLY JESUS HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS. NOT A PRIEST, NOT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. ONLY JESUS HAS THAT POWER Ruben.
---Donna5535 on 6/23/11


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\\---Cluny DO you believe calling Mary Holy could be considered a form of IDOLATRY?
---mima on 6/23/11\\

Nope.

New Century Version (NCV)
7 To all of you in Rome whom God loves and has called to be his holy people:

Romans 1:7
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
7to all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called saints, [Greek word here is AGIOI, which is the plural of AGIOS, or "holy".]

Or is it your contention that Mary was NOT called to be holy?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/11


First of all, baptism does not save a man. One baptizes is because he has received the Spirit of God through regeneration. Baptism than becomes his confession of faith in Jesus Christ.

Finally, Scripture declares that Christ is not divided (see 1 Corinthians 1:12-14). It's either you call yourself a Christian or you're not one. Calling yourself a Pentecostal, Catholic, Baptist, etc is clearly dividing Christ, which goes against the teachings of the Scripture.
---christan on 6/23/11


---Cluny DO you believe calling Mary Holy could be considered a form of IDOLATRY?
---mima on 6/23/11


"I am not even sure if Catholic is considered christian" It is my belief that there are truly saved individuals in the RCC as well as many other denominations, having seen or known many who truly love the Lord, and profess the basic gospel truths. Many denominations have some doctrinal errors, they all cannot be 100% right, but God is able to work through His Word, beyong the manmade boundries of doctrines. His Word does not return to Him void, but accomplishes the purpose He sent it.

"Mark 16:16 He that believeth AND IS BAPTIZED shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.
---francis on 6/23/11
Notice it does not say he who is not baptized will be damned
---christina on 6/23/11


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Donna5535 * a Catholic I believed in mad-made rules such as confessing my sins to a priest. This is NOT in the bible.

Yes it is:

"And the multitude seeing it, feared, and glorified God that gave such power to men."(MT 9:6-8)

"and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.

"Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them, and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained."(JHN 20:20-23)


Donna5535 * Not eating meat on Fridays during lent is NOT in the bible, fasting is.

"Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven." (MT 18:18)
---Ruben on 6/23/11


Cluny just for information. Not all Pentecostals follow what we used to call clothes line preaching. Even in churches that used to including some UP you can wear makeup and pants now. The ones I attended never preached works for salvation and always preached faith. There is no such thing as all, Pentecostal churches are as diverse as other denominations are different from one another.
---Darlene_1 on 6/23/11


\\The worship of Mary is IDOLATRY. She is not omni-present and not all-knowing neither is she sovereign. \\

Donna, NOBODY gives Mary the LATREIA that belongs to God alone, and the Church does NOT teach that Mary is omnipresent, omniscient, or sovereign, and never has.

But Pentecostals DO teach salvation by works and following man-made rules, such as "drink not, dance not, smoke not, wear not."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/11


I was raised Catholic and I became Pentecostal, spirit-filled Christian in 1983, so I feel I can advise you on this.

You are unequally yoked if you are Catholic and he is Pentecostal.

As a Catholic I believed in mad-made rules such as confessing my sins to a priest. This is NOT in the bible. Not eating meat on Fridays during lent is NOT in the bible, fasting is.

The worship of Mary is IDOLATRY. She is not omni-present and not all-knowing neither is she sovereign.

My family is still Catholic and won't forgive me for ignoring them because of their bitterness.

YOU ARE UNEQUALLY YOKED - GET AWAY UNTIL YOU GET SAVED, okay? or else you will encounter marriage problems from the get go.
---Donna5535 on 6/23/11


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Rickey * 1 Peter 3:20-21 is often misinterpreted . Many use it and say that "baptism is required for salvation".

"wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water." What does 'saved by water mean?


Rickey *It is an act of obedience after a person confesses Jesus as Lord.

What happens if you do not act on this obedience?

Rickey * Romans 10:9-10 shows that a person is saved w/o water baptism.

But Jesus himself tell us in Mt 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me Lord,Lord, shall enter the kingdom of Heaven" in other words not everyone who in Romans 10 : 9-10 shall enter!

---Ruben on 6/23/11


\\Going back to Cluny's reference of One Baptism, which is it that saves and must be the true baptism, water or Spirit?\\

Both, and they are two separate actions that usually happen at the same time, or rather, two parts of the same thing.

Unlike you, we Orthodox do not limit Jesus to doing things in just one way.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/11


Rickey * Water baptism requires a man. Our salvation cannot & should not ever be trusted to another man other than Jesus!

Than you are going against scripture:

Jhn 1:32-Jesus was baptized by John.

Jhn 3:22-Disciples were baptizing

Acts 8:38 Philip baptized the eunuch

Rickey* If you get saved one day & then die the next w/o being water baptized will you go to hell because you didn't get baptized? NO!

Jesus tell us in John 3:5
"Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." But we leave it up to God if they enter are not, he knows their hearts!


---Ruben on 6/23/11


1 Peter 3:20-21 is often misinterpreted . Many use it and say that "baptism is required for salvation".
Reading both verses in context shows that baptism is for a "good conscience". It is an act of obedience after a person confesses Jesus as Lord.

Romans 10:9-10 shows that a person is saved w/o water baptism.

Water baptism requires a man. Our salvation cannot & should not ever be trusted to another man other than Jesus!

If you get saved one day & then die the next w/o being water baptized will you go to hell because you didn't get baptized? NO!

When someone says that baptism is required they are saying that "acts of men" are part of our justification.
---Rickey on 6/23/11


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V...have you ever excepted Jesus as your Savior and made Him your Lord?

In a marriage there has to be agreement. In this case the two of you need to get in the Bible together and see what the word says about the matter.

In Ephesians 4:5 it says, "One Lord, one faith, one baptism."

The both of you have the same Lord...Jesus.
You are of the same faith/belief...in Jesus and His finished works.
You are of one baptism meaning that you are both born-again Christians.
---Rickey on 6/23/11


Mark 16:16 He that believeth AND IS BAPTIZED shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.
---francis on 6/23/11


The bible list several baptisms, but baptism isn't a requirement for salvation. (Romans 10:9-10)

1)New birth(John 3:3-7, 1Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:5)
**When you confess Jesus as Lord you are placed/baptized/submerged into the body of Christ.

2)Water baptism (Matthew 28:19, Acts 2:38)

**It isn't a requirement for salvation.(Romans 10:9-10)

3)Baptism in the Holy Spirit (Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, Acts 1:8)

4) John's baptism was before the New Testament began.
---Rickey on 6/23/11


Do as you please, become a Christian or stay condemned.
---Eloy on 6/23/11


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We have an Orthodox that says water does not save and a Catholic that says water does save.
Going back to Cluny's reference of One Baptism, which is it that saves and must be the true baptism, water or Spirit?
Since the Bible says 'one baptism', one be the case.
And, as Ruben has quoted, water now saves us.. Is his interpretation correct? And how do we reconcile this with 'one baptism' and Cluny's response?
---micha9344 on 6/22/11


Whoever said water saves, micha9344?

But the water of Baptism is no more mere water than the Bible is mere paper and ink.

Both are MUCH more than they appear to the spiritually undiscerning.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/11


mima-- I think you and I view baptism similarly. I have been baptized by immersion, but do not consider the baptism as an instrument in my salvation.

When I was in Israel, at the Jordan River, some of those who were with me, decided to be re-bapized there in the Jordan as Jesus was. I think the reason I didn't was due to shyness (not doctrine). I actually wanted to do the same.

But when I returned home, my pastor could not understand why I'd want to be re-baptized! He made me feel a bit foolish.
But there was just something about being there on the banks of the Jordan..I guess I just had the feeling of wanting to follow Jesus in that way.
---Donna66 on 6/22/11


\\Cluny I'm under the impression that you have already been baptized twice.
Would you please confirm or deny this. I thank you.
---mima on 6/22/11\\

Where did you get that idea, mima? I never said it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/11


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I encourage all of us to fully discern the passages concerning baptism and their context concerning either with the Spirit, who is able to save, and with water, which is not.
---micha9344 on 6/22/11

But according to scripture, water does save:

"Which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water.Whereunto baptism being of the like form, now saveth you also:"(1 Peter 3:21)
---Ruben on 6/22/11


I encourage all of us to fully discern the passages concerning baptism and their context concerning either with the Spirit, who is able to save, and with water, which is not.
---micha9344 on 6/22/11


Cluny I'm under the impression that you have already been baptized twice.
Would you please confirm or deny this. I thank you.
---mima on 6/22/11


//Any advice?//

You can tell the man to hit the road or maybe school him on salvation, which has nothing to do with getting wet.
If your problem is water baptism, you are starting out wrong.
---michael_e on 6/22/11


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I think it would be fair to say that your "baptisme" as a
"non practicing" catholic does not count as a 1st baptisme since it was probably not by immersion.
So, if should chose to be baptized the Pentacostel way,
it would really be your first baptisme.
---Pierre on 6/22/11


If you are catholic, then you havenot yet beenbaptized. You have to be COVERED in water, a symbol of beingburied ( with christ). If you have not had that yet, then you have not yet been baptized. Sprinkling is NOT BAPTISM
---francis on 6/22/11


** Experience has shown me that a believer has no problem with being baptized or rebaptized.**

mima's experience is nothing to go on, as the Bible says, "One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM."

I've already been baptized, thank you very much, and it would be a major sin to be rebaptized, even to satisfy your criteria, mima.

\\. I am not even sure if Catholic is considered christian.\\

A related question is if I am even sure if Robyn is considered Christian.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/11


You HAVE already been baptized.

I would recommend NOT continuing this relationship with a view to marriage. If he doesn't respect your faith, what else about you does he not respect?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/11


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The wording of your question indicates to me that you're not saved!! Not born- again, having never asked Jesus Christ to save your soul. Experience has shown me that a believer has no problem with being baptized or rebaptized. Should the spirit convict you to action you have but to call out to Jesus Christ and ask him to Save your soul and he will do so!
---mima on 6/22/11


Many don't feel like one is truely Baptised if they haven't been baptised as Christ,immersed under water. John the Baptist baptized in the Jordan River,Christ choose that method as the way to do it and said to him when he said he needed Jesus to baptize him,Matthew 3:15 Let it be so now,It is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness. If he is Oneness they don't believe one is baptized if done in Trinity baptism,Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,since after Christ arose the Apostles baptism was in Jesus Name. If you love this man,will be going to his denomination then go ahead and do it his way,after all the man is suspose to be the heaad of the family and you will put yourself under his authority when you marry. Pray God for leading.
---Darlene_1 on 6/22/11


Catholic and Pentecostal is totally different faiths. I am not even sure if Catholic is considered christian. Very,very different beliefs. I think your boyfriend is correct in bringing this issue up. It will rear its ugly head up in your marriage if you don't try to work this out now. It is very important to agree on faith before marriage. It is tough when two people are of the same faith. Of the different faith will stand very little chance of succes but it can work. Beware.
---Robyn on 6/22/11


What Pentecost ? There Is Only One, & that Is Acts 2 v 38. The trinity rcc started the titles baptism, trinity pentecost is an offspring church from the rcc. There is NO one found in scriptures that was baptized in the titles. Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20. Colo.3 v 17, even water baptism. The titles baptism, you go down a dry sinner & come up a wet sinner, nothing happened, you just got wet. Acts 2 v 38, The Name Jesus Is applied to your soul.
---Lawrence on 6/22/11


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