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Gifts Of God Without Repentance

Romans 11:29: "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." What does this verse of Scripture mean to you?

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THIS scripture refers to God's nom repentance. There is no context for the doctrine of man's repentance of giving up. nor has it any thing to do with the security of the believer
---David_L. on 2/14/14

Mima, In keeping Rom 11:29 in context, what Paul is teaching is that the spiritual gifts of spiritual life, and grace, and his effectual calling (also known as the new birth or regeneration) are without repentance. That is every elect child of God will be effectually made alive and saved by the grace of God. None of his children will be lost because once God grants life he does not repent or take it back.
---trey on 12/17/12

Beloved, In my years seen God heal someone who's not & has no intention ' be a christian/ go on "life as usual" And God can do as He pleases. SovereignGod is He! we must respect God His ways are not our ways and we are in awe of His immence love still to a world it seems at times so cold.Pr.16:33,Ps.25:6
---ELENA on 12/17/12

Jesus Commands, Work. If you're not taking up your own cross, then you have No Salvation.
---Eloy on 7/26/11

If you're still doing things in an attempt to improve what Jesus did on the cross, you are calling Jesus a failure. Repentance from commandment sin is performed only ONCE by accepting Jesus as savior/purifier.

"purification for sins" (Hebrews 1:3).

When we first accepted Him, we were falsely taught to have a foundation of repentance (and we performed deeds of righteousness for that reason), but now we should "go on" to have a better devotion (more personal/"excellent") so that we do not "FORCE" the kingdom into our lives like the worshipers when John was baptizing with H2O (they used books, commandments, scholars, etc.).

Matthew 11:12 "the kingdom has suffered violence".
---more_excellent_way on 7/26/11

This does not mean that people remain faithful to the calling of God, nor does it mean that they never lose their gifts: but this means that God calls people and gives gifts to people without any doubting.
---Eloy on 7/25/11

MarkV, another post I missed responding to. I've misread many things here myself, especially with the way we sometimes need to cut back what we post in order to make it fit. "There are many who are well learned and have very good intentions." So I've noticed and so am blessed.
---christina on 7/22/11

Sister Christina, thank you for your response. I did not do a good job in reading what you said correctly. I'm so sorry, and need to be more careful. Also, do not stop asking because it might make you look foolish, always ask and someone here on line I know will give you the Truth. There are many who are well learned and have very good intentions. All of us need to learn more each day. Thank you again and peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/11

MarkV, "Christina, forgive me for my answer to you..." It's ok, God bless you! I did not see either of your posts until now so I saw your apology first and had been totally unaware of your correction.. If
you have an issue with ANYTHING i say, no problem, all in all, I HOPE to be corrected in any and
every error.
---christina on 7/15/11

If we sin deliberarely (only possible if we have chosen to remain under the 'sin doctrine' and have a 'repentance foundation', Hebrews 10:26) after receiving knowledge of the truth (gospel), then there is NO LONGER a 'sin sacrifice' (we will no longer be able to be restored to spiritual cleanliness/purity)......we have rejected His graciously given "GIFT" that is FREE (nothing requested OR demanded in return).

Do you choose to reject the 'sin sacrifice' offered by God so that you can remain under the "sin doctrine" and have a foundation of repentance instead of JESUS as your only foundation? (Hebrews chapter 6).

Every time we practice the "sin doctrine", we mock/spurn Jesus before all humanity.
---more_excellent_way on 7/15/11

Christina, forgive me for my answer to you. I went back and reread what you said and you did agree with what Aka said. Sorry. I answered too fast. 2:30am I'm just waking up. peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 7/5/11

Im afraid of you, I fear you because you believe a certain way and anything I say might or will offend you. Please understand this first. Im not trying to offend you. We are talking about God, ok.

Now, I also see and believe things a certain way.
I believe a man who is sanctified by The Spirit God.
Cant just turn away youve been sealed by God.
Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one.

Christ even said
If a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

Please, dont look at the bible as right and wrong, its belief or unbelief.
I see things in the bible, so differently
God Bless You
---TheSeg on 7/5/11

Christina, you missed the whole point of Aka. He explained first that the Bible words in someway are not like the original, which is true since there is many revisions. And then said, "it is not the words of the bible that save, it is the "Word" that the bible speaks of that saves." The Bible speaks of the "Word" and the Word is Jesus Christ. John 1:1.
---Mark_V. on 7/5/11

---francis considered Ephesians 1:6 "To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved."

As can be seen from the above our (mine and yours) righteousness is never acceptable either before or after salvation. But as the verse says we have been made acceptable in the beloved. The beloved is the Lord Jesus Christ. In other words I am depending upon the imputed righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ to see me home!!!!
---mima on 7/5/11

John 6:63,"It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
---mima on 7/5/11

aka "it is not the words of the bible that save, it is the Word that the bible speaks of that saves." Amen! By the way, just saw a reply of yours from an earlier post, I think it was 2010, so had you in mind when I read THIS post.
---christina on 7/4/11

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---TheSeg on 7/3/11

You are asking a very different question. You are asking me " is someone righteous because he says he is?"
In the text which I posted, which by the way is the God given proof that people who once walked with the Lord, believed in Him, and had the pleasure of the Holy Spirit can turn away, it is GOD HIMSELF who described those people as righteous. It is God who sees them as righteous and not any other.

When we accept the promise of God he counts us a righteous, then from there we do righteous deeds. If we chose to disobey God and livein unrepented sin, how can we continue to be declared righteous.
---francis on 7/4/11

christina, you spoke well early. without repentance means irrevocable. every version of the bible is not without doctrinal bent.

it is not the words of the bible that save, it is the Word that the bible speaks of that saves.
---aka on 7/4/11

Francis, you're giving me Scripture.
As if to say, see!

Let me ask you something.
You think because a man sees himself as righteous or believe someone else is righteous.
He or they are righteous?

Because, if this is what you believe.
Then I can better understand your objections.
To what, I still don't know.

But what says Scripture!
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one!

So then, where did this righteousness you're trying to speak of, come from.
It is imputed on you, by God!
Just want to be clear on this!

Do you think because you promise God something, you are righteous?
You gave me Hebrews_6:4, as if to say see!
I'll give you three words.
It is impossible!
---TheSeg on 7/3/11

The Seg, very good answers you have given. "the gifts and calling of God are without change." What He ordains to be, will be. The Covenant of works was for obedience not for salvation. God promise many things in that covenant on condition Israel kept the covenant, if not, curses came to them. All through their history they rebelled against God, adolatry was one of the main reasons. That is why only certain few we saved, not by their works of obedience of the Law, for no one could be save by it, but by the grace of God through faith, just like those Seven Thousand men He reserved for Himself.
---Mark_V. on 7/3/11

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Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them, for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
---francis on 7/3/11

Francis, They BACKSLIDED!
And its too bad you werent there to stop them!

Because, I feel as per your words!
If you had been there in the days of our fathers, you would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets!
Read on!

Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias?
But what saith the answer of God unto him?

Try to understand this:
I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
These seven thousand men, do you suppose they had no sins?

I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid!
Rom 11:15

You called them backsliders, right!
Rom 11:18

Rom 11:25-28

---TheSeg on 7/2/11

Well, theSeg,there truly is much more there then mere words, Its THE WORD, living and active and sharper then a 2 edged sword, which God sends with a purpose and does not return unto Him void. Our God IS an awesome God, and he reigns on High with Power and Majesty, and Who is like Him? Praise and Glory and Honor to Him, who sits on the throne . I love Him, i see you do too. Bless you.
---christina on 7/2/11

I am also persuaded that not even you can stand in your way.
Please try to make this clear to yourselves, as I believe it is!

---TheSeg on 7/2/11


Israel made a covenant with God and accepted God as theif saviour. So why were they not all saved?
Well THEY got in their way.
Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them,

It was neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, IT WAS THEM.


And these things are written to us as an example:
1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
---francis on 7/2/11

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Thank you Christina

You want to know when this happen to me?
It was when I first read the words!

Mat 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

Christina there is more here then, just words!
God bless you and all who truly believe in God power!
---TheSeg on 7/2/11

TheSeg, i like both of your posts. I had to laugh at this (not you) "I am also persuaded that not even you can stand in your way.
Please try to make this clear to yourselves, as I believe it is!" I believe you hit upon a truth that I have not always seen, and it does seem "i" get in the way, but that too is known by God and He deals with it as He sees fit, working in me/us to will and to do, so that which He began, He will also complete. He is the faithful and true one.
Thanks for sharing
---christina on 7/2/11

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I am also persuaded that not even you can stand in your way.
Please try to make this clear to yourselves, as I believe it is!

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
---TheSeg on 7/2/11

Yes, mark I agree whole heartedly.

As he said:
I am come to send fire on the earth, and what will I, if it be already kindled?
But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth?
I tell you, Nay, but rather division:

And didnt he do it?
Just look at all the people on the mountain side looking down. Saying, be like us!
Then look at them in the valley, looking up. Saying we cant!

This should always be repeated!
If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body?
---TheSeg on 7/1/11

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Its a sign of a true follower of Christ when a man cant even admit to being deceitful when caught in the very act. It only makes you look like a fool and ruins your witness for whatever doctrine you preach.

By their fruit you shall know them. A lie gets worse with time when you cover it up. Its your soul.
---CraigA on 7/1/11

Great explanation, Mima!
//The part of the one saved which cannot sin is the spirit of God that is in them. The part of them that sins is their flesh. When God saves(changes) you it is not your flesh he saves(changes) it is your spirit which is born again//
---Donna66 on 7/1/11

Mima, that's what confuses many. Salvation is spiritual and our bodies are flesh, but at the resurrection we will receive our new bodies and they will reunited with the Spirit. The body will be glorified, prepared for eternity. The flesh has not been redeemed and is still with us.

The Seg, I believe that in God's plan He purpose for us to be saved spiritually first and then the resurrection. It was by design. In fact everything He did when He designed it has been unfolding through what we call time. God wanted us to stay here on earth before our flesh was redeemed. He knew we would still sin, but we can bring Him glory now and one day we will be giving Him the honor and glory that He truely deserves when we will be with Christ forever.
---Mark_V. on 7/1/11

Here is another answer to the question that is presented in the all the verses.

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

I am speaking as a man of the so-called unsaved, as well as the so-called saved!

Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

For other foundation can no man lay!
God peace
---TheSeg on 7/1/11

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The Lord not repenting for choosing whom he will call and give gifts to is not the only answer.
The gifts and calling of God being without repentance also means that we are called in uncircumcision of the heart. A sinner that cannot glory in being called because of their own works or righteousness.
---Frank on 7/1/11

The verse simply means that we do not live in sin.
---francis on 7/1/11

Shira,evidently you think there's no Bible but the KIng James Version as do some other IB. The Pastor where my daughter used to go,IB, told all the congregation not to bring anything but KJV to church. The KJV Bible is no more perfect than some of the others and they are all translated by men not God. I love the KJV but know how it hurts when jumped about your Bible. Years Ago,My Sister-in -law told me I wasn't using a Bible because it wasn't KJV. The stupidy of her remark is shown when you know I was in College taking Bible and that version I had was required for the class. The meaness of her attitude is revealed when one knows I was sitting in the emergency waiting room because her Mother was sick. I had to study,I had a test the next day.
---Darlene_1 on 7/1/11

MarkV yes I believe you are correct.

---TheSeg and Donna here is one answer to the question that is presented in the following verse(1John 3:9)No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because Gods seed remains in him,

The part of the one saved which cannot sin is the spirit of God that is in them. The part of them that sins is their flesh. When God saves(changes) you it is not your flesh he saves(changes) it is your spirit which is born again.
---mima on 7/1/11

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Mima, the passage you gave has two different words used depending on the Bible you have.
"For the gifts and the calling of God are "irrevocable."
Or it will say, "without repentance" Which means will not change. Since repentance means change.
What the passage is saying is that God's sovereign election of Israel, like that of individual believers, is unconditional and unchangeable, because it is rooted in His immutable nature, and expressed in the unilaterial, eternal Abrahamic Covenant ( 9:4).
---Mark_V. on 7/1/11

Donna66, God bless you.
But, thats something you might want to take with Rom_1:1.
Because of Rom_7:15

Now, if I go by your understanding.
Then how can I accept it?
Because thought I dont know you, I know you still sin?
Because of 1Jn_ 3:6

So then it can be said no one hath not seen him or known him!
Then we are all lost.
God I hope this is making sense.

So there are sins, void of sin. As per God through Christ!
And there are sins void of God, thats to say, the Spirit of God.
These would be the sins against the Spirit.

Donna66, I am not afraid of sinning. 2Co_12:9

God Peace

Please remember Mat_23:27
---TheSeg on 7/1/11

Is Savation free or do you have to earn it? Is it a gift or a reward?

There are many verses that correlate a person's behavior with their Salvation status, but that IS NOT THE SAME as saying a person's Salvation is CONTINGENT upon their behavior. Once a person is saved, their behavior is changed by the Holy Spirit such that their lifestyle is characteristically righteous and not sinful. (1John 3:9)No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because Gods seed remains in him, he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." Will the believer be perfect? No.But(Tim 4:18) The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
---Donna66 on 7/1/11

You know, I had a hard time finding what OSAS meant, stood for!
Once Saved Always Saved!
How can a person who is saved sin?
Or how can you sin and still say youre saved?

This is a hard concept to believe not just for some.
But for the very ones who say they are saved.
Because of all the sinning involved in their everyday life.

People, well almost, no one can understand how you can be saved and still sin.
And I surely cannot answer that question for anyone. Nor would I want too.
Except to say: read Mat 7 carefully and then shalt thou see clearly!

Mar_8:17-21 How is it that ye do not understand?
Rom_10:20 But Esaias is very bold

---TheSeg on 6/30/11

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When we FIRST COME TO CHRIST, we think we must perform "works" of righteousness and obtain a 'foundation of REPENTANCE' (self-works are useless/"DEAD"). We must "go on to maturity" in Christ with more than a BELIEVING FAITH "toward" God (Romans 1:17, "faith FOR FAITH") and JESUS as our ONLY foundation ("repentance" is an O.T. concept).

Since we already know the "doctrine" of Jesus's gospel), we should advance ("go ahead") to have a LOVE relationship with God.

Hebrews 6:1
"...and go on to maturity, not laying AGAIN..." the OLD foundation.

...and we must always "ABIDE IN" the foundation of the doctrine/gospel (2 John 1:9).
---more_excellent_way on 6/29/11

If the gifts of God or without repentance my next question to you would be, is salvation a gift of and from God?? If so you might want to considerO.S.A.S..
---mima on 6/29/11

Bookstore dictionaries always provide some kind of meaningful answer to how a word can be used in speech (whether a "MEANING" or genuine "DEFINITION"). "Repentance" is like the word "perdition" (there are only "meanings" assigned to it). Religious people use many contextual, arbitrary, and speculative MEANINGS, but there is no ONE DEFINING "definition".

In short, repentance happens only ONCE by acknowledging Jesus as savior (He is our 'sin shield').

If the O.T. Jewish worshippers would have had the FINAL CLEANSING for their souls available to them, "they would no longer have any consciousness of sin" (Hebrews 10:2).

....but WE have the FINAL CLEANSING.
---more_excellent_way on 6/28/11

mima, God bless you!
I also love the word "has" instead of "will"
"God has never" post of 6/28/11
After all it is finished.
That is exactly what it means.

Rom_11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom_11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom_11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom_11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

He said "finding out", but I say "believing!"
God bless
---TheSeg on 6/28/11

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mima on 6/28/11

Hebrews 6:4-6
then these
Matthew 24:13
Luke 9:62
Hebrews 10:26
2 Peter 2:19-22
Ezekiel 18:24
Romans 11:22

I would right more, but two is more than enough to convince anyone that there are people who start out in genuine faith and obedience to god who later for whatever reason turn the other way.
They will not be saved.
try this one
Colossians 1:22 to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: IF YE CONTINUE in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard
---francis on 6/28/11

/It means that God has never changed His mind about His gift of grace and His call for us to accept it.//

True...and for further clarification the verse is referring to the fact that God called Israel (by Grace) as his children, and He will not change His mind about them. By the same Grace that God called Israel, so God called the gentiles. He will not change (repent) His mind about either.

For some who may believe God changed His mind about Israel, if God changed His mind about Israel, He could also change His mind about the gentiles.
---Rod4Him on 6/28/11

Franics if you could see the truth of your own statement,
"It means that God has never changed His mind about His gift of grace and His call for us to accept it" you could grasp "eternal security" O.S.A.S.
---mima on 6/28/11

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

It means that God has never changed His mind about His gift of grace and His call for us to accept it.

Christina is 100% correct
---francis on 6/27/11

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Many people have trouble with the meaning of the word repentance. Carefully consider how the word repentance is used in this verse and you will understand that repentance can only mean "change of the mind". Repentance does not mean turning from and not repeating of a certain sin to say so is a form of feeding our fleshly minds.
---mima on 6/27/11

I know what this means because I have a Christian friend who satan has gotten a hold of and she's making fun of spiritual things.

This means God gives us GIFTS of the Holy Spirit WILLINGLY and even though we back-slide, he doesn't take these gifts away. So a person can operate in the gift of discerning of spirits, but be very far away from God. I know this sounds ridiculous but my friend still can operate in this gift yet she blames God for every bad thing that happens to her. She mimmicks people who are saying there are open portals of heaven.
---Donna5535 on 6/27/11

christiana, get rid of the bible you used in this blog. That is not the Words of God. I am saying this in love and not to be ugly.
---shira3877 on 6/27/11

The version I have (NIV)reads "for Gods gifts and his call are irrevocable." I believe it has to do with God will not change His mind about His call and spiritual gifts, IE: mercy. The final verse is interesting: "32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all." Much more here, but will have to return later to comment
---christina on 6/26/11

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God will still use you and your gifts no matter what sin is in your life. Look at all the gifted preachers that have been in scandels recently. However, just because God will still use you and your gifts when you are in sin, does not mean we are to "do as the Romans do", the Bible says we are to be HOLY as He is holy.
---Leslie on 6/26/11

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