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scott, Jesus knew there would be dissers like you whom would add and take away from him word, that is why he clearly says: "You all call me The LORD, indeed you all say well, for I am. I am from above, I am not of this world. I and Father are one. The person that has seen me has seen The Father. Believe me that I in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me because of the very miracles' sake. I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and Ultimate, which from being, and which to being, and which coming, The Almighty." Jn.13:13+ 8:23+ 10:29+ 14:9,11+ Rev.1:8.
---Eloy on 7/5/11

"You call me The LORD, indeed you all say well..." Eloy

Translators that have removed the divine name (YHWH) some 7,000 times from God's word generally replace it with Adonai (Lord) but indicate this replacement by capitalizing the word LORD.

However at John 13:13 the word Lord is translated from the Greek 'kyrios' and is NOT a replacement for the tetragrammaton. No version (that I am aware of) capitalizes Lord at John 13:13. What translation are you citing?

"I and the Father are one."

Agreed, but Jesus (John 17:11) prayed that his disciples would be "one" just as (Gk Kathos "even as, in the degree that") they were one.

Are Christians part of the 'godhead'?
---scott on 7/4/11

Jesus clearly says, and clearly proves, that he is indeed God: "You all call me The LORD, indeed you all say well, for I am. I am from above, I am not of this world. I and Father are one. The person that has seen me has seen The Father. Believe me that I in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me because of the very miracles' sake. I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and Ultimate, which from being, and which to being, and which coming, The Almighty." Jn.13:13+ 8:23+ 10:29+ 14:9,11+ Rev.1:8.
---Eloy on 7/4/11

"John 17:11...stating the obvious.". Warwick

Eight verses earlier Jesus referred to His heavenly Father, as "The only (monos) true God." (John 17:3)

Jesus does not include himself in the category of "only true God", but rather, he then refers to himself by saying "AND the one you sent forth".

Clearly Jesus viewed the Father as the ONLY Almighty God. He even viewed Jehovah as His God. (Rev 3:12).

If Jesus described Jehovah as distinct and separate from him ("the one sent forth"), he is not suggesting that they are one and the same in verse 11.

Like the angel in Ex 23:21, Christ bears God's name as a representative of His Father Jehovah.
---scott on 7/4/11

"You...claim that no one has the name YHWH except God..." Marc_Kay (1)

Exodus 3:15 "Say to the sons of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations."

The tetragrammaton (yod, heh, waw, heh or YHWH) is translated as either Jehovah or Yahweh or Yehowah, etc. It is found in God's word almost 7,000 times. Sadly it has been (presumptuously) replaced in most translations with 'LORD.'

Additionally there are many biblical examples of theophoric names wherein the divine name has been incorporated:

Jehoachaz, Jehoash, Jehochanan, Jonadab, Joshaphat, etc.
---scott on 7/4/11

"Why don't you call Jesus YHWH if Scripture demands it?" Marc_Kay (2)

Because scripture does NOT demand it.

Jeremiah Jer 23:6 has the phrase "Jehovah is our righteousness" being applied to Christ.

This same phrase is also applied to Jerusalem at Jer 33:16.

Do you call Jerusalem 'Jehovah'?

Jehovah's Witnesses refer to Jesus as Jesus and Jehovah as Jehovah.

The real question remains: Since Warwick, Marc and other 'Jesus is Jehovah' trinitarians believe that Jesus has been (literally) given jehovah's name...wait for it...

Why do they continue to call the Son of God 'Jesus Christ'? Why do they not refer to him now as "Jehovah'?
---scott on 7/4/11

Warwick doesn't understand the Kingdom Interlinear used by Jehovah's Witnesses is a reprint of the Greek text composed in 1881 by Westcott & Hort. JW's were given permission to reprint the Westcott & Hort text in 1969- and produced the KIT with the NWT alongside the Westcott & Hort text.

Yes Westcott & Hort do use 'ask me' at John 14:14. However, the NWT translation committee recognised as do many other scholars and translators that the inclusion of 'ask me' at John 14:14 began to creep into Greek manuscripts from the 3rd and 4th Centuries onward. 'Ask me' is not found in any pre 2nd/3rd century Greek manuscripts.

Westcott & Hort chose to use 'ask me' at John 14:14. NWT does not for above reasons.
---David8318 on 7/4/11

To JWs,

1. You, elsewhere, claim that no one has the name YHWH except God, yet, you admit that the messianic prophecy in Jeremiah 23:6 has Jesus being called YHWH. Why then don't you call Jesus YHWH if Scripture demands it?
---Marc_Kay on 7/3/11

David your own Kingdom Interlinnear reads - 'If ever anything you should ask me in the name of me this I will do." However by the time is ends up on your NWT translation this has been changed to "If you ask anything in my name I will do it." Your interlinnear makes it obvious who we are to ask (Jesus) but the NWT hides this fact.

It is no error to call the Creator, Redeemer, Saviour, the Alpha and the Omega, the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lords, Jehovah.
---Warwick on 7/3/11

You may be getting your 'Scotts' mixed up. If not please explain how your comments to me address mine to you?
---scott on 7/3/11

Whoops, another mistake.

My post below addressed to Atheist should have been addressed to Scott. A Freudian Slip possibly?
---Warwick on 7/3/11

John 14:14, 'ask me' is not in any Greek manuscript older than the 2nd Century.

John 17:11, 'name' in the second instance is a trinitarian corrupt insertion designed to twist Jesus words to mean he is given God's name when he is not.

The most famous trinitarian corruption / deceipt of the highest order must go to the spurious addition to 1 John 5:7.

The name Jesus (Jehoshua) means 'Jehovah is Salvation'. This is not unique to Jesus' name. Jehoshaphat means 'Jehovah is Judge'. This does not mean Jehoshaphat was Jehovah.
---David8318 on 7/3/11

Atheist, nonsense!

It is obvious from Colossians 1:15 (and elsewrhere) that Jesus is Creator, Redeemer, Saviour etc and therefore not part of but above, over, superior to all creation, for He spoke it into existence.

Your organization disagrees with its own Kingdon Interlinnear but you come here prattling about the Greek as though they/you respect it. Hypocrisy!

I have pointed out many times when we translate from one language to another we do not simply translate word for word but convey the meaning from one language to another as the NIV does here.

Conversely your organization adds and subtracts words in the Greek totally changing the meaning. See my comments on Colossians 1:16-17 and John 14:14.
---Warwick on 7/3/11

"Colossians 1:15 in the NIV, the inclusion of 'over' does not change the obvious truth..." Warwick

Honest-hearted and objective bible students as well as biblical scholars disagree.

Look at the Greek. The NIV doesn't just include an additional word 'over' it replaces what IS in the Greek text, the word 'pas' meaning 'individually, each, every, etc. Genitive form- 'of'.

This alteration was made without brackets or italics to alert the unwary reader of the change.

"Over" in no way can be derived from the Greek genitive article meaning of "of." The NIV translators make this addition on the basis of doctrine rather than language." Jason BeDuhn, 'Truth in Translation'.
---scott on 7/3/11

"In Jeremiah 23:6, the Messiah's name is the Tetragrammaton." Marc

At Jeremiah 33:16 the exact same title "YHWH is our righteousness", is applied to the city of Jerusalem.

Is Jerusalem God?

Additionally, the use of the name YHWH Yireh at (Genesis 22:14) is applied to a place, YHWH NIssi (Exodus 17:15), the name of an altar, YHWH Shalom (Judges 6:24), the name of another altar.

Keep in mind that the Messiah would not be called "Jehovah," but "Jehovah is our righteousness." This is a statement about YHWH that the Messiah would personify. By what the Messiah did, he would demonstrate that "Jehovah is our righteousness."
---scott on 7/3/11

Trinitarians make God sound very confused.

Mark 13:32, 'Of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.'

Matthew 20:20-23, Jesus told the mother of the sons of Zebedee that assigning places in the Kingdom 'is not mine to grant.'

How bizarre if Jesus is God! Was Jesus here merely answering according to his 'human nature'? If, as Trinitarians say, Jesus was truly 'God-man' both God and man, not one or the other, would it truly be consistent to resort to such an explanation?

Jesus is subordinate to his Father Jehovah. Jesus is not God or 'God-man'. Jehovah knew things Jesus didn't.
---David8318 on 7/3/11

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"Acts 15:17 is a section of an OT prophecy." Marc

Agreed, but the meaning that you have assigned to 'qara' (at Amos 9:12) differs from the one Strong's Concordance has used.

They cite 'qara' at Amos 9:12 as an example of being called by God's name:

Stong's 'qara'- (2)

"To be called by any one's name" "So the people of Israel who bear the name of God (who are called the people of God), Deut 28:10, Isa. 63:19, Jer 14:9, Amos 9:12, 2 Ch 7:14..."

And this is of course the meaning that Symeon (Peter) applied to 1st century Christians and those Christians today that closely follow God's word.
---scott on 7/3/11

Jeremiah 23:6

Jeremiah 33:16 "In those days Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will dwell securely. And this is the name by which it (Jerusalem) will be called: The LORD is our righteousness.

Jerusalem is given this name as well that doesn't make it YHWH. This is why it is given "Ill cause a righteous Branch to spring up for David, and he will uphold justice and righteousness in the land". YHWH, I(singular person speaking), raises a branch who upholds justice and righteousness. Jesus or better from the Hebrew Joshua/Jehoshua is YHWH is salvation. This does not mean those with this name are YHWH either. Jesus represents God and is the person through whom He accomplished His purpose just as Joshua was of the OT.
---willa5568 on 7/3/11

Warwick, (Old slippery) I like how you casually slip in **along with the Holy Spirit** (That the HS also shares the name of YHWH) with absolutely no scriptural backing!
You know the Talmud says that Jesus could do miracles because He was the only one who could properly pronounce God's name,writing on parchment and sewing it in His leg!
---1st_cliff on 7/3/11

Scott and the other JWs,

Acts 15:17 is section of an OT prophecy. The meaning is given before these verses. Verse 14 tells us that a subgroup of Gentiles will be a people FOR His name. The Hebrew in Amos, qara, means to call out, proclaim etc by Jehovah's name, not that they will be called Jehovah.

John 17:11 says that the Father GAVE Jesus the Father's name i.e. Jehovah. There is no other person in the Bible that has Jehovah's name i.e. YHWH. Indeed, in Jeremiah 23:6, the Messiah's name is the Tetragrammaton i.e.YHWH. That is. Jesus will be called YHWH = John 17:11.
---Marc on 7/3/11

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Papa yahwah, yahagahan elohim, Lord Iesous, he alone is my Lord and my God, and besides him there is no other: most holy and most awesome is he. Papa Jesus is Almighty God, he is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and all things therein. Almighty Jesus is worthy of all our acceptance, and worthy to receive all worship and all our praise. Blameless is he, and most holy. Hallelujah to the Lamb who was slain, for he is alive now for evermore! sitting upon his throne, he is high and lifted up: and of his Kingdom and of his rulership, in the Spirit Shiloh with justice and with righteousness, there will be no end.
---Eloy on 7/3/11

Scott, we are called Christians as Christ (Hebrew Messiah) is our Messiah, our Saviour. It was Jesus, God the Son, who died upon the cross for our redemption.

From my understanding Jesus means 'Jehovah saves.' And He does, through His one and only Son.
---Warwick on 7/3/11

Scott the Hebrew mal-ak (angel) means messenger, referring to human messenger, angelic being or God, depending upon the context. Exodus 23:20,21 does not make it clear who the angel is. However considering "my Name is in him" and 1 Corinthians 10:4 the angel is most likely Jesus Christ, Creator, Redeemer, and Saviour who definitely carries Gods name. See John 17:11

The Name residing within the angel of the Lord is Hebraic thought for the very presence of God dwelling within. As Paul said For in Christ all the fullness of Deity lives in bodily form. Colossians 2:9.

This does not assist your case at all.
---Warwick on 7/3/11

Colossians 1 "2,3-Grace to you and peace from God our Father.We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" "12-Giving thanks to the Father who did make us meet" "15- image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation" "16,17-in him were the all things created..All things have been created through him and for him...He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent"

He is Lord/master/king, who has been given a kingdom by his Father through the resurrection,the first born among many brethren. In him and through him God's kingdom was established, the creation of vs.16 of which only governmental positions are mentioned.
---willa5568 on 7/3/11

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Scott the game you play may be hot stuff at kindergarten however here it just doesn't cut it.

Both God and Jesus, and no one else are given the same titles in Scripture-Both are Creator, Redeemer, Saviour and the Alpha and the Omega, therefor they are one and the same Jehovah. Along with the Holy Spirit.

Therefore John 17:11 is only stating the obvious,that Jesus is also called Jehovah.
---Warwick on 7/3/11

John 17:11,12 "no more am I in the world, and these are in the world, and I come unto Thee. Holy Father, keep them in Thy name, whom Thou hast given to me, that they may be one as we when I was with them in the world, I was keeping them in Thy name, those whom Thou hast given to me I did guard"(YLT)

The Father(God)doesn't give Jesus His name, but is asked by Jesus to keep those the Father gave him in His name. Jesus kept them in His name, or by the authority given to him by his Father vs.6-8. This dialouge starts out in verse 3 "this is the life age-during, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and him whom Thou didst send--Jesus Christ" Jesus says the Father is the ONLY true God which exempts him from being God.
---willa5568 on 7/2/11

Scott, regarding Colossians 1:15 in the NIV, the inclusion of 'over' does not change the obvious truth, that Jesus is the Creator, the firstborn (heir) who is over all creation, because He (as the text says) is not created but the Creator of everything ever created.

That sounds just like 'over' to me.

This is very different to the addition of 'other' NWT Colossians 1:16,17 and the deletion of 'me/my' in NWT John 14:14 which clearly reverse the meaning of the Greek.

Not much time needed!
---Warwick on 7/2/11


In spite of your snarky response, (like a poker player's 'tell', identifying for all of us the lousy cards in your hand), the simple questions(s) that I asked you still remain.

Let me know if you'd like me to repost them or use a larger font size or...
---scott on 7/2/11

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Scott, you draw an imaginary line between the disciples of Christ and God's elect (His people). Aren't the apostles and disciples in the Bible God's elect? Did they choose to follow Christ or was it Christ who chose them?

As in the teaching of Romans 9, Jacob too represented the elect in whom God love before He even created the world. That's why Paul teaches this in his epistle which means the picture for the Christian becomes clearer by the day. O, I forgot, you don't believe in election.

As for me, I read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. And every book reveals a clearer picture of Jesus Christ. As for you, you read from Revelation to Genesis and bring yourself back to the Old Testament, making Christ a blur.
---christan on 7/2/11

Scott and the other JWs,

Acts 15:17 is section of an OT prophecy. The meaning is given before these verses. Verse 14 tells us that a subgroup of Gentiles will be a people FOR His name. The Hebrew in Amos, qara, means to call out, proclaim etc by Jehovah's name, not that they will be called Jehovah.

John 17:11 says that the Father GAVE Jesus the Father's name i.e. Jehovah. There is no other person in the Bible that has Jehovah's name i.e. YHWH. Indeed, in Jeremiah 23:6, the Messiah's name is the Tetragrammaton i.e.YHWH. That is. Jesus will be called YHWH = John 17:11.
---Marc on 7/2/11

When Jesus got baptised, who spoke from heaven?

When Jesus was praying, who was he praying to?

Who only knows the day and the hour of the end of the world as we know it?

Who did Jesus attributed his miracles to??

Who are christians to worship?

Who are christians to pray to?

God is called many names in the bible. His real name cannot be uttered by humans. But at one time Moses asked (in a round about way), "What is your name?" God said, "I am who I am." (translated YHWH)
---Steveng on 7/2/11

"What foolishness...If you are still calling your God are...not a Christian." christian (1)

In prayer to His Father Jesus said: "I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them." John 17:26 NASB

1. What name? Jesus?

2. Who was Jesus praying for if not his disciples or 1st century Christians?

"God said...unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah the God of your fathers...hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations." Ex 3:15

Please explain
---scott on 7/2/11

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Cliff you compare your fathers name, the name his parents gave him, a name which perishes with him, to the name of the eternal God, Jehovah?

Who gave God the name of Jehovah?

How many Jehovah's are there?

I don't need to dance, just need to stick to the truth with a modicum of ligic.
---Warwick on 7/2/11

There you are Scott, I thought you would be sniffing around!

I always find you so predictable as you continue to bob up with your preprepared JW cut and paste answers.

The second use of 'name' in John 17:11 is consistent with the meaning of the Greek and only makes the meaning clearer.

The addition of 'other' in the NWT in Colossians 1:16,17 is not consistent with the meaning of the Greek, in fact it reverses the meaning.

Likewise the deletion of 'me/my' in NWT John 14:14 is obviously not consistent with the Greek and once again changes the meaning. And we must remember Davids caution about deleting or adding to the word of God musn't we?
---Warwick on 7/2/11


A covenant [agreement]by two
is given a [sign or mark] of the agreement as an account and record.

Is 45:23
I have sworn [by myself], the [word is gone out of my mouth] in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.Jer49:13,Gen22:16

Yeshua declared that He IS "the sign" The "alef-tav" (et)Rev 21:6, 22:13

Zech 14:9
And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be [one LORD, and his name one].

Only [His Word] from beginning to end will save us a rescue from deception unto eternal death.
For I am Yahweh your God, the holy
one of Israel, your Savior
Is 43:3
---char on 7/2/11

What foolishness is this we are contending with one another the name of God. He has finally revealed Himself in His Son, who's called Jesus Christ.

If you are still calling your God Jehovah or Yahweh, you are not His adopted son in Jesus Christ and not a Christian. Paul teaches,

"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father." Romans 8:15

"And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ." Galatians 4:6,7
---christan on 7/2/11

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Colossians 1:3 If Jesus' name is (Jehovah)

"We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ..."

Jesus' name being YHWH:

"we always thank God, the Father of our Lord God Messiah"

or as those who say Lord refers to his divinity:

"We always thank God, the Father of our God Jesus Messiah(Christ)"

God our Messiah has a Father and now there are two Gods.

"For I am the Lord God, and there is no other God beside me" Isiah 45:5 (LXXE)

One person is claiming to be Lord God alone, which is simple grammar.

Read Romans 4:20,24 "...believe in Him.." the same God Abraham believed raised Jesus.
---willa5568 on 7/2/11

Warwick, Back to your fancy dancing again,huh?
My father gave me his name but that doesn't make me him , now does it?
Jehoshua (Jesus' name) contains the name YHWH ,like so many of the OT Saints!
Deut.6.4 emphasis definitely means ONLY one God!
The tetragrammaton (YHWH) means I am that I am, I shall be whatsoever I shall be, I shall become whatsoever I shall become,the Becoming one!
BTW The Holy Spirit does not Have a name,albeit, called Comforter (Paraclete), but that was not a name .
---1st_cliff on 7/2/11

char, love your answer. I am thankful I am not the only one who view corrupt versions as corrupt.
---shira3877 on 7/2/11

"Deceit of the first order." Warwick

Your comments about the NWT and Colossians 1:15 reveal a lack of understanding about bible translation.

Every translation committee uses language they feel is implicit in the Greek (or Hebrew) and they attempt to make it explicit in English (or other target languages). Italics (brackets NWT) indicate words that have been 'added'.

If you think that this is not the case, do the math. How many words are used to translate Colossians 1:15-20 by various translations?

KJV=135, NASB=139, TEV=166, LB=171, etc. You get the point.


At Colossians 1:15 in the NIV, what is the Greek word for 'over'? (As in 'over creation).

Take your time.
---scott on 7/2/11

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"I am who I am." This was a polite way of saying..."None of your business what my name is." John.usa

Read the account again but use a version that has not removed the divine name (YHWH). This name appears in the original manuscripts almost 7,000 times.

After God responds to Moses' question about who he should tell the Israelites sent him at Ex 3:14- "I AM that I Am" ("I will be who I will be". Today's English Version), just two verses later (15) God says...

"God said...unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, JEHOVAH the God of your fathers...hath sent me unto you: this [is] my name for ever, and this [is] my memorial unto all generations."
---scott on 7/2/11

"Therefore Jesus' name is Jehovah." Warwick (2)


"So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD, Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the LORD who does all these things."

Acts 15:17 NKJV


If "therefore Jesus' name is Jehovah" (Warwick) then what is the "name" of the Christian community? By what name should we 'call' them?
---scott on 7/2/11

Rev 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth [the words of the prophecy] of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[the words of the prophecy]
Spoken and taught to the prophets.God knew beforehand of the corruption which is why He designed His written Word-[down to each letter]-His witnessed Aleph to Tav and perfect plan without fail. Those who learn it...find treasure.Written in stone-declared in the Heavens..
Ps 19,Ex17:14,Deut17:18,Deut27:3-4,Deut 31:19,Neh9:38,Jer22:30,Jer36:2,Ez24:2,
The only Name given [under Heaven to men], by whom we must be saved. Acts 4:12
One God-different dimension.
Yehovah's Word In flesh--Y'shua Jn1:1-15
---char on 7/2/11

"Therefore Jesus' name is Jehovah." Warwick (1)


"Here I am sending an angel ahead of you to keep you on the road and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. Watch yourself because of him and obey his voice. Do not behave rebelliously against him for he will not pardon your transgression, because my name is within him."

Ex 23:20, 21


1. In what way did this angel possess God's name?

2. Was this angel Jehovah because God's name was 'within him'?

---scott on 7/2/11

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David you still carry on about the insertion of the second 'name' in John 17:11 even though this is consistent with the text, making the meaning clearer.

However you ignore the incorrect and innapropriate insertion of 'other' in the NWT mistranslation of Colossians 1:16,17!

This insertion contradicts your own Kingdom Interlinnear, totally changing the meaning. You will not accept this as you cannot. Your house of cards would fall flat if you did.

Consider also John 14:14. If the NWT followed your own Kingdom Interlinnear of the Greek it would read "If you would ask anything of me, in my name, I will do it. However in the NWT 'my' has been deleted. Once again a purposeful error which changes the meaning!
---Warwick on 7/2/11

Is 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign, Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name [Immanuel].

Letters Defined:
Ayin-[To See]-image of the invisible God-Col 1:15
Ps 34:15
The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.
Mem-[Water,people,nations]-2 forms-[open and closed]. Open-represent the revealed truth of God.Closed,represent the concealed truth of God as Mashiach-revealer of mysteries.Mat 13:13
Is 9:6-7
Nun-[Sprouting Seed]-Son of life
Lamed-[Shepherds staff]-to teach-learn,to point,give direction, order
Deut 4:1
Matt 1:23
[God with us].
Holy Spirit-Jn4:24,
2Cor 2 (All)
---char on 7/1/11

Warwick and Marc you have completely lost the plot.

Warwick, I'm not referring to your quote from the NWT. I'm referring to your support of the corrupt trinitarian rendering of John 17:11, which you posted 6/30/11. I'm highlighting the way trinitarians seek to corrupt Jesus' words at John 17:11. As I pointed out previously, 'name' appears only once. You have it twice which distorts what Jesus is saying- Rev.22:18. It's you who is deceiptful.

Marc- I did not claim you were responsible for the translation of the Complete Jewish Bible. I would never bestow such an honour upon you. If you have a problem with the word 'power' in John 17:11, take it up with the translators of that Bible, not me. I don't use 'power' at John 17:11.
---David8318 on 7/1/11

According to my info > Hebrew names are made of everyday Hebrew vocabulary words which can tell something about the person with that name. (c: For example, "Abraham" is constructed with the Hebrew words for "father" and "multitude", identifying Abraham as the father of a multitude. I understand Jesus' name has words for "being" and "salvation", meaning the "One Eternal Being is salvation". So, when they called Jesus by name, they were in Hebrew saying "The One Eternal is Salvation." God is salvation, because He the Eternal One will last forever so He can keep us forever with Him. It's what your name means to people that really identifies you, not only what people label you (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/1/11

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Even Warwick is forced to concede that there is only one occurrence of the word 'name' at John 17:11, and that his corrupt trinitarian translation is grossly misleading- Rev.22:18.

Trinitarians forget that Jesus was in prayer to his Father Jehovah at John 17. Trinitarians therefore must believe Jesus was praying to himself. If Jesus is Jehovah, why is he asking for the name to be 'given' him? Wouldn't he already have it if he is Jehovah? The fact is Jesus is not Jehovah and Jesus is NOT saying he is given the 'name' Jehovah.

Satan and the demons hate the name Jehovah, which is why they devised the trinity to conceal it. Jehovah's name acts as a protection for those using it, for Jesus and his followers.
---David8318 on 7/1/11

David you groaning about the addition of a word is rich! Your NWT translation adds and subtracts words, even disagreeing with your own Kingdom Interlinnear!

For example see the New World Translation- Colossians 1:16,17 "because by means of him all other things were created..." However your Kingdom Interlinnear says "Because in him it was created the all (things)..." Or English grammar: Because in him all things were created.

Where did 'other' come from? Thin air! Why do JW's insert the non existant 'other?' Because as correctly written the verse shows Jesus is creator of everything ever created. He therefore cannot have been created, as your cultic heresy claims.

Deceit of the first order.
---Warwick on 7/1/11

David, You're becoming dishonest now. YOU, David, quoted, favourably, from a Bible which inserted a word which is not in the Greek. Now you're trying to avoid the obvious by passing "blame" and the onus of responsibility to me for that faulty mistranslation.

You again avoid the fact that the JW translation at John 17:11 even has Jesus being called by the Father's name i.e YHWH.

So, David, what is the name of the Father or are you again going to pretend I'm not asking you?
---Marc on 7/1/11

David you are being deceitful. I quoted from your own NWT mistranslation of the Bible.

The only words I added in brackets and Italics were 'which is Jehovah.' Are you claiming God's name isn't Jehovah? Be clear now David. No ducking and weaving.

Your NWT text makes it obvious that Jehovah has has given His name (obviously Jehovah) to Jesus. Therefore Jesus' name is Jehovah.

I imagine that verse will be removed or retranslated in future versions of the NWT!
---Warwick on 7/1/11

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"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:1-3

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds" Hebrews 1:1,2

His name is JESUS CHRIST.
---christan on 7/1/11

Those adding words to the Bible that are not there originally fall foul of the warning at Rev.22:18,

'I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll.'

Warwick and like minded trinitarians promote scriptural lies by inserting additional words into the text to corrupt Jesus' statements as can be seen by the grossly misleading trinitarian rendering of John 17:11.

Marc- I don't use the word 'power' at John 17:11. If you have a problem with the word 'power' here perhaps you could take it up with the translators of the Complete Jewish Bible who do.

Jesus is not Jehovah.
---David8318 on 7/1/11

Holy Father, protect them IN YOUR NAME that you have given me so that they may be [one], even as we are [one].
Jn 17:11

The ancient letters inspired by Elohyim represent Him as Aleph-to Tav.
[Y'-Yod-is the first letter (ot, or sign) of His Name- Y'hovah and Y'sha- ,Jn1:1-14,Jn4:24, and from HIM derive ALL other things by the power of [His Word].
Bet-[His Word in Flesh-as Son]]:Ps 33:6-9
Yod,the smallest of the Hebrew letters, and the form which [All] the other letters [Begin and end].
Heb 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

One God-different dimension.
Yehovah's Word In flesh--Y'shua Jn1:1-15
---char on 7/1/11

The very Name of Y'sh A defines Him as God, the very name of Y'hovah defines Him as Savior-down to each [Letter].
There is only one-
Is 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD, and beside me there is no saviour.
(yehoshu'ah, Strong's #3091) (yah, #3050, a form of the name/word YHWH) and the word (yeshu'ah,#3444) meaning "rescue."
"Yah is rescue."

The letter [Y'-Yod] Begins and ends every letter.
Is 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts, I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me there is no God.

The only Name given [under Heaven to men], by whom we must be saved. Acts 4:12

One God-different dimension.
Yehovah's Word In flesh--Y'shua Jn1:1-15
---char on 7/1/11

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When a person writes "God has NO names. He has many atritbutes, and we refer to him by his atributes".

I wonder if this is because this person does not read the Bible, this person rejects what is written in the Bible, or a combination of both?

An example is Psalms 111:1-9 describes some of God's atributes, along with giving two of God's names.
---Rob on 7/1/11

Jehovah Shalom, the Lord My Peace.

Jehovah Sid-ka-new (? spelling) The Lord My Righteousness.

Jehovah Nissi, the Lord My Banner.

Jehovah Jirah, the Lord My Provider.

There are several more of these. Also, I know Him by Father. I know Him by The Lord My Strength, The Great Counsellor, Yahway. There are MANY more names for God. He is Worthy of Our Praise, amen? Holy is the Lord!
---Donna5535 on 7/1/11

does ayone take into account that Yehowah is only a compiled naome of YHWH and ADONAI? this was first used in the SEPTUAGINT translation about 140 BC? so Yehowah is NOT GOD'S original name... maybe YHWH is but noone knows the original pronouncement again. so to me, HIS name is wonderfull, Counselor everlasting father, the healer the almighty one etc... no need to discuss where there's nothing to talk about.
---andy3996 on 7/1/11


Why do you insert the word 'power' into John 17:11? It is not there in the Greek. Aren't you trying to push your own JW slant on this?

Even the Kingdom Interlinear does not have the word 'power' there. It says "Father holy, observe them in the name of you to which you have given to me". The sentence Jesus spoke has not said anything about Jesus being given power but been given the Father's name. It's clear in Greek and in English.

I believe the Father's name in JW theology is Jehovah, isn't? And so John says here that Jesus has said that the Father gave Jesus the Father's name, not power.
---Marc on 7/1/11

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David no matter what spin you apply to the facts Jesus says God has given Him God's own name-Jehovah.

The Greek only uses 'name' once but the meaning is clear ".....Holy Father watch over them on account of your own name (which is Jehovah) which you have given to me..." John 17:11 Jehovah's Witness NWT.

Jesus claims to be Jehovah.

We see this also in John 10:22-39 where even His deadly enemies attest to His claim-Jesus claims "I give them eternal life, and no one can snatch them out of my hand.Quite reasonably (if Jesus was not God) the Jews attempted to stone Him for blasphemy- "Because you a mere man claim to be God." Hostile witnesses to the truth.
---Warwick on 7/1/11

Reba, you're probably right. :-)
---John.usa on 6/30/11

John usa, I disagree with your reason for God saying His name is I AM. I believe He wants us to know His name & saying I AM was the quickest way to let us all know that He is the answer for all our needs. When ever you have a problem, who is the best one to turn to? God said,"I AM". He's there for everyone even when there's no problems & you just need someone to talk to. He's always there.
---Reba on 6/30/11

A careful analysis of John 17:11 will show that the word 'name' appears only once in the original Greek.

Translations not influenced by the Hellenic trinity-

'guard them by the power of your name, which you have given to me'- Complete Jewish Bible

'protect them by Your name that You have given Me'- Holman Christian Standard

Other translations render John 17:11 accordingly which show Jesus is not given the name Jehovah, but rather he is asking protection be given to his disciples through the power of Jehovah's name- the same protection Jehovah gave Jesus through the power of His name.

'The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous runs and is given protection'- Pr.18:10.
---David8318 on 6/30/11

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When Moses asked God what his name was, God answered, "I am who I am." This was a polite way of saying to Moses, "None of your business what my name is."
---John.usa on 6/30/11

God has a name as we all do and the name is JESUS

John 10:30-32
I and my Father are one.

Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father, for which of those works do ye stone me?
---Lea on 6/30/11

GOD's Name is "YAH". "I AM Who I AM" encompasses Father, Holy Spirit and Son. Each Person has a Proper Name (as well as respective Titles and, what I call "Divine Nick-Names"). The Son, mostly known by the Grecian Name of "JESUS" is actually named "YAHUSHUA". "YAHUSHUA" means "YAHUVEH is Salvation". GOD wants His Name to be known by His people, not hidden, as the Orthodox scribes and Kabbalists have done. The hiding of His Name was simply a pious-looking ploy to keep the real Name of GOD from people. Not because they feared it becoming "taken in vain". GOD has a Name, and we human beings, who were made in His Image, have names, too, like He has a Name.
---Gordon on 6/30/11

Yhwh is Yeshuah: Jesus is God. Both testaments proclaim that Jesus is God. "Know therefore this day, and consider in your heart, that the LORD, he God, in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath, none else. You all call me The LORD, indeed you all say well, for I am. I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and Ultimate, says the Lord, which from being, and which to being, and which coming, The Almighty." Dt.4:39+ Jn.13:13+ Rev.1:8.
---Eloy on 6/30/11

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The exact word/s and sentence/s used to convince the Athenians of the identity of the creator (ALREADY being worshiped as "UNKNOWN") are not recorded in Acts 17.

The Athenians did not glorify MAN and "SELF", they glorified the creator/origin of nature/creation and truly admired the noble qualities of peace, truth, and justice as though they were also the qualities OF THE 'DIVINE'.

God desires that we love Him because...

>>>WE LOVE/ADMIRE HIS WAYS of peace, truth, and justice.

We must KNOW WHO WE ARE and BE who we are so we can relate to and identify with the one who sent Jesus....("I AM WHO I AM" Exodus 3:14).

Glorify the 3 manifestations of GOD ONLY, NOT the 6th day creation.
---more_excellent_way on 6/30/11

If there is a god, why must he/she/it have a name?
---atheist on 6/29/11

If there is such a thing as an "atheist", why would....

All atheist believe in GOD. Otherwise they wouldn't be threatened/concerned with any aspect of the possibility.

Our scarred pet atheist, believes,weakly...but, he believes.
By adversarial probing he hopes to learn the basis for any passionate belief/faith.
Basis scripture? Training? Is there basis proof?

But, he won't ask the only teacher. He won't seek.
Matt 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ, and all ye are brethren.

John 6:65<... no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
---Trav on 6/30/11

Marc, they are the 3 in one God. This is the names of Him(them) through out the Bible. He is all any one will ever need no matter what the need. One name could never fulfil all He is. My personal favorites are, Saviour, King of Kings, Father. But I love them all because each one describes who He is to us. There's many more that I didn't post.
---Reba on 6/30/11

God has NO names. He mas many atributes, and we refer to him by his atributes
---francis on 6/30/11

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Marc, some interesting points have been raised. The JW's do say we must call God Jehovah, but as I see it this makes Jesus Jehovah. But they say Jesus was an angel, who became a man, who is now an angel again.

In John 17:11 Jesus says "I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one."

Jesus is saying Jehovah calls Jesus Jehovah! So is Jesus being untruthful, overreaching Himself or is He one and same as Jehovah? It would appear that the latter is true.
---Warwick on 6/30/11

One of God's names which people constantly misuse is the name REVEREND.

The name REVEREND is found only one time in the entire Bible, and it says REVEREND is GODS NAME!
---Rob on 6/30/11

"I am YHWH(the Lord) your God"

YHWH is what scripture reveals His name to be. "I am" or "self existing one" define what His name is.
---willa5568 on 6/30/11

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