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Mark_V, you misunderstood me?
But I dont think willa5568 or Jasheradan did.

Just to be clear where, I stand on faith! The gift of God!
You dont just pick it up off the street.
The world and men are against God!

Dont see how it could be clearer. But I know why its not!
Joh_6:65
No man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh_6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me.

But in Joh_6:44 he made it abundantly clear!
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him!
Why do you think they walked away? In Joh_6:66?

If you understand, then understand faith!
If not God loves you!
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/11/11


Christan and MarkV: So you guys believe that Satan is powerful enough to tempt you to sin, but Christ is not powerful enough to keep you from it? What a weak god you serve!

Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
---jerry6593 on 7/11/11


The power of the Church and the Word of God:
1 Corinthians 14:23_25: "If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest, and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth."
---Nana on 7/11/11


your love. These three will last forever faith hope love but the greatest is love. 1 corith. 13.
---Scott on 7/11/11


People have tried to divide up not only God.
But, everything that belong to him!

This is why, this was written:
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.

The scripture cannot be broke!
Anything you believe in scripture must hold true in every word!
Or you are being misled!

Two blind men walked over the same bridge everyday.
One day the bridge broke, God opened the eyes of only one.
So, he calls to the other, stop!
Trusting in himself hes right, he die!

Now all alone on the bridge, he thinks.
Well, he went to hell! Because, God didnt open his!
God answers, I didnt see that! But, I heard you.
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/11/11




Sorry Christan, I misread your post. Doing anything in the flesh is not done in Christ. Otherwise, the word 'Can' simply means we are able, not necessarily will or must...do all things through Christ
---christina on 7/11/11


christan and Mark,

...whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him--Hebrews 11:6

none of those in Hebrews 11 are said to have been given faith.

And Mark "through" is -by means of or by. And Phillipians 1:29
We are granted to suffer for his sake not to believe. We not only believe in him but have been granted to suffer for him. If I can not choose to trust(faith) God then it is not faith. What you are saying is when God gives faith I have no choice but to trust Him. To be chosen for Gods plan is far different than choosing who will be saved.
---willa5568 on 7/11/11


--A man is not saved because he believes in Christ, he believes in Christ because he is saved.--Mark_V

WOW Mark! You believe men are saved BEFORE coming to Jesus Christ!

Well at least now you wont be able to deny it in future blogs. (Copied and pasted for later use)
---CraigA on 7/11/11


Christan: "how does Php 4:13 teach one that he has the freewill to do things in Christ?"
Simple. Note the word 'CAN':Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." One may also attempt to do things in the flesh,John 6:63
"It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
---Christina on 7/10/11


Thank you MarkV for taking the words right out of my mouth about jerry's misuse of the Scripture.

Anyways, how does Php 4:13 teach one that he has the freewill to do things in Christ? These people imagine and twist the Word of God like the serpent in the garden.

Paul clearly says that whatever he is doing, it is because Christ is working (this is GRACE!) in him and that working is strengthening him. In other words, if Christ is not working in him, there will be no strength for him to go through what he was going through - persecution of his faith in Christ.

This was prophesied in Acts 9:16 "For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake."
---christan on 7/10/11




--But without faith it is impossible to please him--

Yeah now finish the verse...

for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Its no coincidence that you left that part out..
---CraigA on 7/10/11


Eph2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God"

Scripture says the man is "saved through faith" and not "saved through grace" or that would have been the sequence! This "faith" is "the gift from God" and not "grace".

Hebrews 11:6 declares "But without faith it is impossible to please him", it doesn't say "without grace". One belief in Jesus Christ is because of faith and not grace. Obviously one cannot distinguish between "grace" and "faith".

Twisting and turning the Word of God (see Gen 2:17,3:4) is what caused the downfall of the man.
---christan on 7/10/11


The Seg, no I don' believe lost man can create saving faith in his own heart. The passages in Eph. 2:8,9 is pretty clear. A man is not saved because he believes in Christ, he believes in Christ because he is saved. Even the beginning of faith, the disposition to seek salvation, is itself a work of Grace and the gift of God. Paul often says that we are saved "Through" faith (that is, as the instrumental cause), but never once does he say that we are saved "on account of" faith (that is, as the meritorious cause).
The Scriptures teach us that the very faith and repentance through which we are saved are themselves the gifts of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/11


Willa, your trying hard to show lost man has something good in them that is pleasing to God. Roman 3:9-12 "For I have already charged that all men, both Jews and Greeks, are under the power of sin, as it is written: "None is righteous, no not one, no one understands, no none seeks for God. All have turned aside, together they have gone wrong, no one does good, not even one." If faith came from within, you would have something good that is pleasing to God, but you don't. Faith has been granted to you by the Father.
"For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in Him" but also suffer for His sake" Phil. 1:29.
Read also 2 Tim. 2:25,26.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/11


And concerning the spiritual things, brethren--YLT (gifts is added, literally it says "concerning spiritual") in vs. 9 each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good--ESV (faith is a manifestation of the spirit acquainted with healing and the working of miracles which is for the common good not salvation. This is not faith that we have in Gods grace)
---willa5568 on 7/10/11


-Jasheradan

you are correct, salvation is. Is this better-- saved is the result of what we receive grace through or by, faith. Salvation(that) is not of ourselves but it is by grace that we receive through faith
---willa5568 on 7/10/11


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Did everyone suddenly forget what our 5th grade English teachers taught us?

Grace nor faith are the subject of the sentences. Therefore THAT and IT are not referring back to them. They are in prepositional phrases. Cmon people.

---Jasheradan on 7/10/11


Mark_V if I may?

Ephesians 2:8 as per willa5568 on 7/10/11
which speaks of grace being the gift that we receive through faith or by means of faith we receive the gift of grace.

Actual
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Is it me or am I missing something?


Anyway to be clear, if this a gift!
1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant!
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit, to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit,

Surely you dont think you develop faith, on your own?
---TheSeg on 7/10/11


Mark,

Where exactly does scripture say faith is a gift? The only place I know that is used is Ephesians 2:8 which speaks of grace being the gift that we receive through faith or by means of faith we receive the gift of grace (Romans 1:16,17, 3:19-30, 10:1-12/ Philippians 3:9
---willa5568 on 7/10/11


Jerry, Christan was speaking of lost man. Not the believers. You gave a passage that is intended for believers. They do have the the moral ability to obey, the lost don't. They are dead and dead people cannot hear unless God brings them to life. The lost have a natural ability but or not willing because they are dead in sin. How can they obey someone who they don't believe in? How can they love God when they hate Him by continuing to rebell against Him? God has to make them willing, by bringing them to life by Grace, and that through faith which is a gift, they are able to believe in the One who they did not know while lost and dead in sin. It is so simple.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/11


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christan: //jerry6593, you show verses of God's command to man, without anywhere in those verses demonstrating that God also declared that the man has the ability to obey.//

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
---jerry6593 on 7/10/11


I just love the way, so many says this is how! But the lord told you.
Luk_17:23 And they shall say to you, See here, or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.

What is simpler then love your brother? Nothing!
But your brother wont let you love him. Am I wrong?

How many of you have said, I know people who are lost? No you dont, you only think they are.
Luk_12:26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?
Mat_6:27 None!
So if you think youre doing right.
Luk_17:10 think again!
Trust in God, only!

Luk_14:5
As you pull on your brothers, tell them the truth!
God blessed you!
---TheSeg on 7/9/11


It is love that will get you into heaven. Without love you cannot obey God. It is out of love for God that you obey him. If you are a parent, your children will obey you if they love you. If they don't love you they will not obey you. So, you love God by obeying him just as you know your children love you because they obey you.
---Steveng on 7/9/11


I dont think he wants anything, from you.
Your love! No I dont thing so, because he said!
How can you love God, who you have not seen?
If you cant love your brother who you have seen.

He said if you love me, keep my commandments.
Most of you, right away, think! This is about the law.
Its clear to me, none can keep the law. This should be clear to you too.
So this is not about the law, well not the law as you see it.

But more about your calling, and the power in that, call!
And how, you shouldnt glory in your call.
But explain to your brothers, the promise of, that call.
Instead of what, many do. Unknowingly!
Pease!
---TheSeg on 7/9/11


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jerry6593, you show verses of God's command to man, without anywhere in those verses demonstrating that God also declared that the man has the ability to obey. Scriptures after Scriptures, God declared otherwise that we are "dead in sins and trespasses." Which is to me mind boggling that a "dead" man can raise himself from the death bed without God's power.

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." Can a dead man in sin really love God by his freewill? Impossible! However Scripture tells us, the consequence to loving God is because "He first loved us", which confirms His sovereign election. It is true that in His Love He saves the sinner by His mercy and grace in Christ.
---christan on 7/9/11


to obey The Father in Heaven and keep His Holy laws

without obedience there is no love

Acts 5:29,32 Hebrews 5:9, John 14:15,21,24
---Rhonda on 7/9/11


christan,

what was His will for man? Was it not for man to have dominion over the earth and eternal life(tree of life)? Because He created man with the choice to obey or disobey and he sinned, does that mean His will is not going to be accomplished?

For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart--Jeremiah 29:11-13

Was it Gods will that Israel be in the desert for 40yrs.?

This is Gods will-1Timothy 2:1-6
---willa5568 on 7/9/11


I think, no matter what, that Christ wants us to treat others the way we treat ourselves.
---Silicon_Valley_Christians on 7/9/11


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willa5568, to answer your train of thought with the two verses you quoted that things did not work out according to His will, let me ask you this.

"And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?" Genesis 3:9

Do you really think that God did not know where Adam was? When God sent Israel into captivity, He declared:

"The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass, and as I have purposed, so shall it stand." Isaiah 14:24

"Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him, He hath put Him to grief: when Thou shalt make His soul an offering for sin" Isaiah 53:10, didn't God declare He purposed His Son's death here? S
---christan on 7/9/11


Paul

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Think about what it means to love one another the same way that Jesus loves us.
How would our lives change, how would the world change?

"A- accept
C- connect
T- telegraph

Accept Him, Connect with Him, Telegraph His ways"

This is a good start.
---dowanor on 7/9/11


christan,

the LORD God said, Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever-therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden--Genesis 3:23,23

the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart--Genesis 6:5,6

This doesn't sound like God was expecting things to be this way or determined it so.
---willa5568 on 7/9/11


Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good, and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
---jerry6593 on 7/9/11


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willa5568, I will use Scripture as taught by Paul,

Romans 9:
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Romans 11:
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

I used to ask what you ask but now it's all very clear by the grace and mercy of God.
---christan on 7/9/11


paul, be like the Bereans. Matthew 11:28, Romans 10:13, John 3:16 really applies to only:

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37, "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine." John 17:9, "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world..." Ephesians 1:4

Does this declaration then by Christ sound like you have the freewill to go to Him? -

"No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44. It goes against your doctrine!
---christan on 7/9/11


micha9344, excellent post. Thank you. I like your observation "-Notice they are both questioned as if we should know the answer...
This is not to obtain nor to retain salvation, but because of the promise and gift,..."
Amen
---christina on 7/9/11


Obedience for an example to the lost world around us, that He may be glorified.
Deu 10:12b ...what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what [is] good, and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
-Notice they are both questioned as if we should know the answer...
This is not to obtain nor to retain salvation, but because of the promise and gift,...
Phi 2:13, 1Pe 2:12, Tts 3:8, Eph 2:10,
---micha9344 on 7/8/11


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Willa

Good luck my friend, I don't understand how people can perceive God as one who would not be fair or just in His actions to create something to destroy it, kinda like a bully kid with a magnifying glass burning ants to watch them die.

That's my opinion, now lets look at facts.

Calvinists, please explain these without just throwing another question into the mix.
Ro 10:13 For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved."

Mt 11:28 "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

To name a few,
---paul on 7/8/11


Christan,

If Adam was created(must fall) with Gods knowledge he would sin, how is that good? God was the cause of sin because His knowledge of it and the fact that He has predetermined all who will be saved and destroyed, if what you say is true. If you create something with the knowledge that it will fail, that is not good but a purposeful action for it to fail. Please explain how something God creates is good as a perfect creator that He knows will fail?
---willa5568 on 7/8/11


willa5568, when Scripture declared "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Genesis 1:31

This was repeated seven times in Genesis 1:4,10,12,18,21,25,31 during the creation. More importantly this was BEFORE the man Adam disobeyed God and caused the fall of mankind.

After which, Scripture clearly declares: "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." Romans 3:10,11

So, the "good" was before the fall and does not apply after Adam's disobedience or Scripture will be in conflict with one another, which is IMPOSSIBLE!
---christan on 7/8/11


Mark,

thank you for your kind words of wisdom. I have no desire or bias toward anything or anyone. I study constantly with an objective mind and am not closed to any particular doctrine. There are problems with this teaching though because there is hundreds of scripture that contradict it. I have found you insist I am wrong about everything we have had dialogue about and you are certainly free to do so. In this situation you are correct, I may be wrong, but I have found many scriptures that agree with my understanding. I will not limit myself to what I think is right, but the question is can you admit you are wrong?
---willa5568 on 7/8/11


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Willa, I'm not speaking of Calvinism. I don't know why you say that. I give you the very Word of God. You read it, and you reject it. You have some former bias in your heart about what Calvin taught, because you hear gossip from others. And you believe what they say, over the Word of God that I present you just because of your prior theological bias. If you are willing to opened your heart to God's Word and allow God to teach you, you will learn the Truth and it will set you free. And I don't mean just from the practice of sin, but of all that you are inslave to. But you are not willing. I cannot make you. All I can do is present the Word of God, and I have given hundreds of passages. That's all I'm here to do. God take cares of the rest.
---Mark_V. on 7/8/11


Mark,

you are correct, God is under no obligation to man and is free to do as He chooses. The only problem with Calvinism and what you call biblical salvation is it goes against who God is, Love, long-suffering, merciful, kind and just. The closest thing to Gods predestination is His foreknowledge of who will believe and who will not.

What will He tell those He did not choose? Maybe, I judge on your sinful works but created you to do them so I can receive glory from those I created to believe. What is there to judge if they only did what they were created for? What is the purpose of faith? You already have what you would hope for since you are predetermined to have it.
---willa5568 on 7/8/11


Willa, your "not willing to accept the plan of God" If He doesn't save all you say, He is obligated. If He creates some to be His prize possesion, you say He cannot, let them all die in their sins. You'v formed a god to your liking. Your not willing to believe in the God of Scripture. No one forces you. You do have a natural ability, you can accept or reject the Truth. Just like the lost. They are "not willing to believe." God has to make them willing. God is under no obligation to man, Jesus said,
"You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life, and these are they which testify of Me. "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life" John 5:39,40.
---Mark_V. on 7/8/11


Christan,

A glorious and awesome plan?
What is awesome about men being comdenmed to die before they even exist? If Jesus showed us who the Father is, then what you portray God as, is a hypocrite. He heals the sick, blind eyes are opened, deaf are able to hear, the lame can walk. Yet most of them are already condemned to hell. You are saying God created something He said was good, not just good but very good, and he created him to fall so he can exalt his son? If you call this love, which God is, then I love more than He does, but it isn't.
---willa5568 on 7/8/11


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Nana, again you gave a great passage ( 1 John 3:7 ) concerning the righteousness of Christ. First, John is talking to those who are believers already. He calls them "little chidren" He could not be talking to the lost since they don't believe in the Word of God. Second, He is confirming that those who practice righeousness are righteous just as He is righteous. The evidence is that by practicing righteousness they are truly children of God. If there was any in that group who were not practicing righteousness the others could tell who they were by their practices.
---Mark_V. on 7/8/11


Steven, I agree, you said,
"On the contrary, man has the will to accept God or reject him."
Man does have the natural ability to accept Christ or reject Him, but doesn't have the moral ability to accept him, he is not willing to come to Christ. That's why Scripture says, "For it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure" ( Phil. 2:13 ). God refuses to save no one who earnestly seek salvation. But the lost (reprobate) have no longing for the Savior: They see no beauty in Him that they should desire Him. They will not come to Christ, why then should God force them to? He turns none away who do come, so where then is the injustice of God fore-determining their just doom?
---Mark_V. on 7/8/11


"We are righteous because Christ is our righteousness."
willa5568 on 7/6/11

1 John 3:7: "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous."

2 Peter 1
add to your faith virtue
and to virtue knowledge
And to knowledge temperance
and to temperance patience
and to patience godliness
And to godliness brotherly kindness
and to brotherly kindness charity.
8: For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
---Nana on 7/8/11


CraigA, cutting and paste a quote without it's actual context is basically to deceive (sounds familiar right? Remember Genesis 3?). You cut a quote from me without giving the full picture that what I said was to reply what willa5568 has said. Never mind.

Your use of the Russian language to make your point is nothing short of feeble like all your other points. I do not have to believe what you say and vice-versa. But I know, Scripture tells me,

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

And guess what? But since your English is better than mine, I'm sure you know what I'm about to say...
---christan on 7/8/11


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willa5568, True faith is a gift from God (Eph 2:8) and cannot be found in the fallen man. God must work His grace, and He withheld this from Adam. 1 Peter 1:19-20,

"But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you"

God's plan was only to exalt Jesus Christ, hence Adam must fall. Paul declares, "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all." Romans 11:32

A glorious and awesome plan isn't it? It's all there in His epistles. His covenant of grace is, "He will save His people from their sins."
---christan on 7/7/11


Ok
I posted this question subsequent to Christ speaking the answer to me in a sermon preparation.

As simple and as obvious as it is I had never really thought of it, perhaps you hadn't either.

All Christ wants from us is for us to ACT like Him.

In acrostic form
A- accept
C- connect
T- telegraph

Accept Him, Connect with Him, Telegraph His ways

We complicate thing to often with how our perceptions line up with popular conceptions while all the time discarding mimicking Christ.

Paul
---paul on 7/7/11


Craig

They are refering to the scripture that says God gave every man a measure of faith which is kinda reaching.

That is not the faith it takes to trust Jesus Christ, that faith must come through the belief that Jesus is the Christ sent by God to redeem His people, which all men do not believe.
---paul on 7/7/11


"A new commandment I give to you: That you all love one another, as I have loved you, that you all also love one another. By this will all know that you all are my disciples, if you all have love one for another. This is my commandment: That you all love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down their life for their friends. These things I command you, that you all love one another." Jn.13:34,35+ 15:12,13,17.
---Eloy on 7/7/11


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Where does one get this ridiculous idea that you are given faith to believe in Jesus Christ from God?

The Spirit calls us. Our response to His calling is faith or unbelief. I mean this is Christianity 101 we're talking about here. Even children know this!

Some of our English teachers would be rolling over in their graves to see how we've forgotten to break down complex sentences in a diagram to see what Ephesians 2:8 and 9 really say.

Mark/Christan, English being your second language... maybe it would be wise to listen to those who have it as their first. If a Russian told you that you were misreading his language would you argue with him?
---CraigA on 7/6/11


christan: "That's why the freewill of a man is a deadly deception."

On the contrary, man has the will to accept God or reject him. It's his choice. God doesn't want anyone to go to hell, but because of man's nature he rejects God. Jesus knocks on the door and if ANY man hears him knocking, he will open the door and has a choice to let Jesus in or chase him away. You see, christan, you made the choice to follow Jesus or reject him. When it is said that God chooses someone, it's for a purpose as in ministry.
---Steveng on 7/6/11


Christan,

did God give Adam the gift of faith? If you are saying God chooses whom He gives faith to, then mankind as a whole will be destroyed because the majority do not have it, And He chose to not give Adam faith which was what He planned. If Adam did not have faith to believe God, being perfect, then God saying what He made was 'very good' cannot be true. We choose to believe/trust or not believe what God has said not because He chooses us to and not others. If this isn't what you mean, forgive me. This is my understanding take it as you will. As of right now I do not see it any different, if I am wrong then I believe our Father will show me.

Gods peace
---willa5568 on 7/6/11


willa5568, you say "Faith is only to accept what is given to us, not a work making us righteous."

Accept? Where does one get this ridiculous idea that you have to accept a gift from God. When He gives you the gift of faith, the immediate consequence is you will believe and repent of your sins to Him.

There's a reason why the Holy Spirit teaches us the conversion of Paul (aka Saul) in Acts 9. I suggest you read that account and tell me if Paul had to "accept" his conversion. When the Spirit converts a sinner, he is passive - just like Paul was. After all Paul was on his way to persecute Christians and not seek for Jesus Christ.

That's why the freewill of a man is a deadly deception.
---christan on 7/6/11


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he wants us to accept the fact that we are in need of salvation and be born again and live a life that reveals to the world who we follow
---tom2 on 7/6/11


Paul: "Christina

We became His righteousness through and by Him alone not of ourselves..."

I believe this was meant for Christan, not me. Cluny referred to Christan as Christina today also. Blessings
---Christina on 7/6/11


Christina

We became His righteousness through and by Him alone not of ourselves.

Through the weakness of the flesh the law was made imperfect thus needing Jesus perfection through His shed Blood to bring us into His perfection.

None the less we are still His righteousness. I see people who don't know who they are in Christ Jesus and never walking in the fulness of Him, I assure you I'm not one of those.

If one chooses to be that is between them and the Lord but I will glory in the fact that He is mine and I am His.

Paul
---paul on 7/6/11


Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
Deuteronomy 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."

Did it say "worketh righteousness"? Yes.
Then, if a work, it is not a gift by imputation.
---Nana on 7/6/11


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christan,

//That "righteousness" belongs to Christ's and only by grace through faith//

We are righteous because Christ is our righteousness. But that is the grace which is imputed to us "through faith".
Grace saves us 'by the means of(through)' our faith in the righteousness of God. If faith is the gift then personal responsibility is taken away from those who have and have not been given it, they have no choice but to believe and no choice but to disbelieve and live in sin. Righteousness and eternal life are not earned but are gifts. Faith is only to accept what is given to us, not a work making us righteous. Faith is just the means by which we receive the work that gives us righteousness and eternal life.
---willa5568 on 7/6/11


Christan, of course its Christ's righteousness and I dont know who taught you so, but faith is not a work.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, HIS faith is counted for righteousness

When death came for all the firstborn of Egypt, God gave Israel commands to slay a lamb and spread the blood over the doorway to protect themselves. They believed what God had told them and moved to protect themselves. They didnt deserve to live because of their faith, but their faith saved them.

Jesus Christ is our passover lamb. If we arent wise and dont apply his blood by believing in what God has told us, then death will take us just as it did all the firstborn of Egypt.
---CraigA on 7/6/11


Galatians 4:9 "But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?"
What is that "known of God"?
I pose that it is the same 'knowing' as declared and presented here:

Matthew 7:20: "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
Romans 12:1: "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service."
---Nana on 7/6/11


To Love the Lord thy God with all of thy heart, mind, soul and will. To Fellowship with Him. Worship Him. Praise Him.

Enter His gates with Thanksgiving and His courts with Praise.
---Donna5535 on 7/6/11


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Paul, and how did we become "we are His righteousness"?

That "righteousness" belongs to Christ's and only by grace through faith (which is a gift from God), we are imputed with Christ's righteousness. So what did you do to earn it? If you are a true Christian, NOTHING!

CraigA, when God gives the sinner faith, there is no way that he will not believe in His promise. You speak as if the man has to work out on his own in believing God's promise. But when the Christian believes God, it's because God is working in him. That's why I say you keep exalting yourself and make it sound like God has nothing to do with the faith He gives a Christian. In short, you believe in yourself, like all free-willers do.
---christan on 7/6/11


Matthew 7:11: "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?"
Galatians 4:6_7: "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."

Acts 10:28: "... God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean."
---Nana on 7/6/11


--What can the fallen creature wallowing in filth and sin possibly give to God that will please Him?-- Christan

What He asks for: faith in His promises

The heathen are justified by faith.
---CraigA on 7/5/11


Christan

You can give God a lot, OT says our righteousness is as filthy rags but NT says we are His righteousness.

We can give a lot to God, as a matter of fact we can give Him our all.

Paul
---paul on 7/5/11


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To love (as in the verb form).
---Steveng on 7/5/11


What can the creature call man possibly give to the creator that is God?

What can the fallen creature wallowing in filth and sin possibly give to God that will please Him?

Isaiah 66 -

1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
---christan on 7/5/11


To believe HIM, trust HIM, honor and adore HIM, both speak and listen to HIM.
Become very familiar with HIS word and follow it as a guide for your life.

Do this and you will please God and be more deeply happy than you could be just following rules.
---Donna66 on 7/5/11


It boils down to loving God above everything else and obedience - which is a byproduct of that love.

Mat 22:37-39 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
---doraa9737 on 7/5/11


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God wants EACH ONE OF US to live and endure ("suffer") our own "varied grace" to the best of our own abilities (and to of course, UNMISTAKABLY love/revere/glorify HIM ONLY instead of MAN "ALSO" (DEVOTIONAL/WORSHIP love shall be for GOD ONLY, not ministers or church brethren).

Show every human being the same amount of hospitality/anger, respect/disrespect, moody nastiness, etc. as you would the brethren that are in Him (IN DEVOTION, treat NO ONE with favor, NO SPECIAL TREATMENT)...

James 2:1
"My brethren, show no partiality as you hold the faith".

James 2:9 "if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors".
---more_excellent_way on 7/5/11


John 6: 27-28-29,
"27-Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28-Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29-Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."
---mima on 7/5/11


"What is the main thing Christ wants of us?"
Our hearts.
---christina on 7/5/11


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