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Love Your Enemies

Luke 19:27 ends a parable Jesus told about investing money. The verse ends with the words "slay him before me." How is this consistent with Jesus' instruction to "Love your enemies"?

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"no, you have not done or said anything to apologize for" Thank you Christina, I am very happy to hear that. And thank your for your response, I appreciate it.
---joseph on 2/21/14


---joseph on 2/17/14

Thank you. I too have missed our exchanges, and no, you have not done or said anything to apologize for. On the contrary, your conversation has always been kind, considerate, understanding, patient, non-judgmental, (never giving the impression you do not have time for discussions), even when I, or another, have not understood.
"may the Father continue to bless and enlighten you to bless and enlighten others."

Thank you, and you also joseph.
---Christina on 2/19/14


Hitler wanted to exterminate the Jews because he saw them as a disease. God's attitude towards the Canaanites was very similar to Hitler's attitude toward the Jews, and they both went on extermination sprees...
---Love.wins on 2/17/14


Christina, after reading through this blog I have come to realize just how much I have missed our exchanges over the pass year or so. If I did or said something that offended you, please accept my apologies, It was not intentional. Perhaps it is simply because you, like myself, has had limited time for any prolonged discussions. Regardless, may the Father continue to bless and enlighten you to bless and enlighten others.
---joseph on 2/17/14


love wins, you have a point. If the enemies of Israel committed sins against God and the reason Israel was commanded to kill the other nations, then the same holds true for Israel. They committed sins against God all the time. To this day they are not saved as a nation. Every time Israel failed they went back to their idols. They were just as guilty as the other nations concerning sin. All human beings are guilty of sin, "for all come short of the glory of God."
---Bob_M on 2/17/14




RichardC as I have said, Thanks but you have missed the point. Why were they God's enemies?

There are many in Scripture had they not done what they did they would not have died.

God never goes around killing people just because it's something to do on a Saturaday night.
---Elder on 2/16/14


Elder 2/15/14 - God never said to kill anyone just because they are your enemies ,

Numbers 21:34 - And the Lord said unto Moses, fear him not, for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land, and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amonies, which dwelt at Heshson,

Numbers 21:35 - So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people until there was none left him alive, and they possessed his land,
---RichardC on 2/16/14


"they were Israel's enemies and God's enemies."
Love.wins

Thanks but you have missed the point. Why were they God's enemies?

It is like cancer. You may have to have an organ removed so the rest of the body will live.

None of these people would have been God's enemies if they had obeyed His commands.
---Elder on 2/16/14


Elder, God commanded the children of Israel to commit genocide on the Canaanites, men, women, children and infants alike, because they were Israel's enemies and God's enemies.
---Love.wins on 2/16/14


"How is it that God tells people in the New Testament to love their enemies, but the same God in the Old Testament says to kill them?"
Love.wins

How come all of your posts seem to cast doubt upon God? Are you trying to say something you haven't written?

Where in the OT or NT has God commanded someone to kill another because of hate or they are enemies? Com'on now don't cop out on me.

God has never said to kill anyone just because they are your "enemies." You can't show even one place.

Tell us who are God's enemies?
---Elder on 2/15/14




How is it that God tells people in the New Testament to love their enemies, but the same God in the Old Testament says to kill them?
---Love.wins on 2/15/14


Exactly Christina, 1Cor 15:28 Has To refer to the end of Christ reconciliatory reign. For the Father through Jesus has "reconcile all things to Himself whether on earth or in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross." Col 1:20 And "has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church" Eph. 1:22. "which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all" verse 23. That we might " know the love of Christ which passes knowledge, [and be] filled with all the fullness of God Eph 3:19. And to know that 'Christ is all, and in all' Col 3:11. When all has come to that knowledge, then all will know that Christ and His Father are One.
---joseph on 7/19/11


joseph, An exchange of thoughts is one of the ways that we "grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus [The] Christ". This is true. You are right, it truly is a blessing to share here, both to give and recieve, and I too thank God for that. I have every intention of continuing to ask and answer. As for the 'ignorant' thing, if I think or feel anything contrary to what is the truth, that I wish lay down. Those "feelings" are not the truth, and it became quite clear to me that it was in opposition to what the Father says and we had just been discussing. God has a way of bringing things to the light that need to be dealt with. Blessings.
---Christina on 7/17/11


" I feel somewhat ignorant,.." Christina, Ignorant, as in unlearned, is not a word that I would associate with you. All of us are lacking in knowledge in some areas of scripture. An exchange of thoughts is one of the ways that we "grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus [The] Christ". I thank the Father for the opportunity to share in, and receive from, the knowledge that He grants to His body. As I quoted earlier "[As] iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend." That is done through both questions, and answers. Please continue to ask, and answer, you are a blessing to this sight. Be blessed, and God bless ChristiaNet.
---joseph on 7/17/11


joseph, had more that wasn't posted. My daughter read 1 cor 15:25-28 with me, and at first vs 28"...the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all." seemed a bit confusing, having thought Christ would reign for ever and ever. It might seem to some that this is proof that the Son is not God.
What immediately came to mind was Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage,
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
This did not cause Him to cease to be what.all He was and is. Cont...
---christina on 7/17/11


Part 2. So, Christ made Himself nothing,takes on the nature of a servant,,,he humbled himself,,,
"And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, ( this happens before we go into the eternity) then shall the Son also himself 'be subject' (submit His reign) unto The Father. Also fact."
So once again Christ submits,(humbles himself?) to the will of the Father

"Why "so that "God' [The Father in His fullness] may be all, in all"."
---christina on 7/17/11


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joseph, correction, part 1..." seemed a bit confusing, having thought Christ would reign for ever and ever." Should be reign eternally, especially seeing that we are comparing/contrasting the 2
---christina on 7/17/11


joseph, earlier today I was thinking of what you said "There is nothing I enjoy more than an honest, and cordial exchange of Father's word. Thank you.". It IS a pleasure, and I found myself really looking forward to it. So many seem to know so much here, I feel somewhat ignorant, and sometimes hesitant to ask questions, but I don't want that to get in the way.
---Christina on 7/16/11


joseph, "Yes, all He has given "eyes to see, and ears to hear", should give the Father all praises, with thanksgiving. For they are indeed, truly blessed." exactly! Amen!
Also, Happy you are blessed as well
---Christina on 7/16/11


Christina I have been blessed as well. There is nothing I enjoy more than an honest, and cordial exchange of Father's word. Thank you.
Yes, all He has given "eyes to see, and ears to hear", should give the Father all praises, with thanksgiving. For they are indeed, truly blessed.
---joseph on 7/16/11


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joseph, I'd be happy to share more, as the time we've spent here has really blessed me and is a pleasure.When you gave Mt 13:10, 13, 34, I had to read in context, so read the chapter, which I had just read a few days ago. Then my focus was primarily the parable, but today what stood out was 11 He replied, Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been GIVEN TO YOU, but not to them,16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it, contrast to 13-15
---Christina on 7/15/11


Christina, you are of course quite welcome. Please share with me, what the Father shares with you concerning this. I look forward to it. Be blessed.
---joseph on 7/15/11


joseph, glad for your reply, I kept asking God, what am I missing here? I will be looking up the passages you gave, and prayerfully considering your post. Thank you!
---Christina on 7/15/11


Joseph, What can I say except AMEN!
TY, very helpful, and while I copied pasted into my own notes I was able to share with my daughter. I'm really excited about all God is doing in her life, he is SO good!
---Christina on 7/15/11


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Christina I have been offline . Correction concerning the parable, I could see you going whhhhat????:o) The refs. should have read. Mk.4:34>Mt.13:10,13 & 34 He spoke only to His twelve without a parable because Luke 8:10
"Proof text." ? Explain.
Rev 11:15 states that "He (The Son) shall reign 'for ever and ever'. Fact.
1Cor 15:25-28 informs us that "He must reign 'until' (a limited time) He has put all enemies under His feet." "And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, ( this happens before we go into the eternity) then shall the Son also himself 'be subject' (submit His reign) unto The Father. Also fact.
Why "so that "God' [The Father in His fullness] may be all, in all".
---joseph on 7/15/11


MarkV, Great explanation of the parable.
---joseph on 7/14/11


Donna, Thank you, and praise God it's a blessing to you, it has been for me!
It's been an area I've heard little teaching/preaching on. So many here are much more knowledgeable then I am, There's times I need to let go of pride and ask questions.
---Christina on 7/13/11


Geraldine, as some have said the parable is concerning the Second Coming of Christ, and what people did with the gifts they had while alive. Those with relative small gifts and opportunities are just as responsible to use them faithfully as those who are given much more. "I feared you" (v.19:21) this was a craven fear, not born out of love or reverence, but tainted with contempt for the Master (Matt. 25:24). Had he had any true regard for the Master, a righteous "fear" would have provoked deligence rather that laziness. What they knew about God was enough to condemn him. Thus will it be with the wicked in the day of Judgment (Romans 1:20-23).
---Mark_V. on 7/13/11


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joseph and Christina--How I've enjoyed your conversation of the last few days! Just what a good Christian discussion should be...honest, respectful and kind. Also very informative to me, since I've wondered about the same subject, often. Thanks.
---Donna66 on 7/13/11


The scripture you site, is a parable about stewardship and trustworthiness. The Slaying comment is about God's judgement. It has no relationship to the notion that Jesus commanded us to LOVE and to even love our enemies.
---jody on 7/12/11


About eternity vs day and night and for ever and ever.Once again you've brought up something I had never really considered.
You say the meaning is 'a predetermined duration'.No problem there, but "Proof text compare Rev 11:15 to 1Cr 15:25-28." ? Explain
***
"torment is...a burning internal desire to continue living, combined with the knowledge that they will soon "go away into everlasting punishment." What is that everlasting punishment? They shall 'perish' (Greek apollymi-to put out of the way entirely, to be put to an end. Hebrew abad-be destroyed, be exterminated, vanish) In an Instant Isa. 29:5" OK.
---Christina on 7/12/11


Joseph, "Glad to see that you also understand the Tophet spoken of in

Isaiah to be symbolic of the Lake of fire..." The Tophet was totally new

to me, but we are led into all truth. None of it's an accident.
Your next post:
"Christina, "Tormented day and night for ever and ever, " throws a lot

of people...." I have to laugh, since your post (with answers) came

through before mine, with what had been unclear and why. Do you realize

that's happened a few times? (Your answer is posted just prior to my

question). So, much more here you've given me, will need another post. BTW, ! Chron 15 is where I found the name for my youngest, Jehiel, meaning God lives. back later
---christina on 7/12/11


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Geraldine, I'm in agreement with joseph's post to you, My apologies also as well as thanks. What we've been discussing has been touched upon elsewhere, but here we've had the opportunity to delve deeper into the Word, and The Lord is showing me much I desire to know. I pray it's of benefit to others also. God bless you Geraldine!
---Christina on 7/12/11


Thank you joseph for clarification (again) as well as patience. I'm seeing it. God arise(ing), consuming fire, have been key, for me. Bless you
---christina on 7/12/11


joseph, ""It would seem that ceasing to exist is in opposition to REV 21:8.
Why do you say that?" Coming from a place of not knowing what the lake of fire is, having been taught eternal punishment, even 2nd death was unclear. Physical death vs spiritual death. i want to KNOW, not just believe because I want to, or something sounds good. I want to know it not just with head knowledge, but confirmed by the Spirit. I know I could trust you to speak truth, yet I need to check what you say with the Word, and in prayer if it's something unclear to me.
---christina on 7/12/11


Christina, "Tormented day and night for ever and ever, " throws a lot of people. Those take for ever and ever to mean eternity, it does not. Both "day and night" and "Ever and ever" are aspects of time or there would be no need for the conjunction. Both mean, for a predetermined duration. Proof text compare Rev 11:15 to 1Cr 15:25-28.
The torment is not the lake of fire, it is a burning internal desire to continue living, combined with the knowledge that they will soon "go away into everlasting punishment." What is that everlasting punishment? They shall 'perish' (Greek apollymi-to put out of the way entirely, to be put to an end. Hebrew abad-be destroyed, be exterminated, vanish) In an Instant Isa. 29:5
---joseph on 7/12/11


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My apologies Geraldine, Christina and I have basically commandeered your blog for something that it was not intended. However our discussion concerning the Father's quick and total removal of the wicked, as opposed to torturing them, does demonstrate His love for not only the redeemed, but also, in His mercy, the lost. And look on the bright side, There is still space for at least thirty more comments:o)
---joseph on 7/12/11


Booyah! Christina. Amen.
Glad to see that you also understand the Tophet spoken of in Isaiah to be symbolic of the Lake of fire. Isa 33:11 brings to mind that which is spoken concerning one who I believe is representative of Satan, "therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee." Eze 28:18
---joseph on 7/12/11


Isaiah30:27-33
vs33 Topheth has long been prepared,
it has been made ready for the king.
Its fire pit has been made deep and wide,
with an abundance of fire and wood,
the breath of the LORD,
like a stream of burning sulfur,
sets it ablaze.

Isa 33:10-12
10 Now will I arise, says the LORD.
Now will I be exalted,
now will I be lifted up.
11 You conceive chaff,
you give birth to straw,
your breath is a fire that consumes you.
12 The peoples will be burned to ashes,
like cut thornbushes they will be set ablaze.
Joel 2:3,5
Compare God arise (Isaiah 33:10- and Psalm 68:1) after which the wicked perish/are consumed
---christina on 7/12/11


"..the second death. Many would say this confirms that the lost will be sent to hell. If they cease to exist,.. how would you explain?
Christina I would repeat what is written "The lake of fire "is" the second death." And as we all know, 'death,' is the cessation of life.
"still, what is fiery lake of sulfur? The breath of God. Job4:9:o)
"Burning brimstone was regarded as having the power to purify and to ward off contagion". That which is considered to be a corrupting or harmful influence that tends to spread. The wicked' removal is the purification. If the wicked were allowed to continue in any capacity they would continue to prove themselves as contaminates. None will enter. "Rev.21:8-27
---joseph on 7/12/11


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"It would seem that ceasing to exist is in opposition to REV 21:8.
Why do you say that?
Do they cease to exist there?"
Yes. Satan, the false prophet, the angels reserved for that day, and those raise in the second resurrection, and judged to that fate do.
The others, who were deceived into following Satan after the millennia were 'devoured' (utterly consumed) when fire came down from heaven in Rev.20:9
As it is written "The LORD thy God [is] a consuming fire."
Just as He destroyed the children of Anak, as a consuming fire, He will destroy the wicked and bring them down". See Deu.9:2-5. Which is basically a foreshadowing of that event.
Yes Luke 16:20-31 is a parable. Mk 21:1>13:10,13,34
---joseph on 7/12/11


joseph, I wish to back track to ""But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liarsthey will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. Many would say this confirms that the lost will be sent to "hell". If they cease to exist, as you say, how would you explain?
But, I see you addressed this in your response that was posted earlier."
I'm ok with the cease to exist verses,(what you addressed) still, what is fiery lake of sulfur? It would seem that ceasing to exist is in opposition to REV 21:8 Do they cease to exist there? I'm following post"
Is The Lake Of Fire Literal"
---christina on 7/11/11


joseph,A LOT to confirm ceasing to exist.looked up torment this am since eternal torment/punishment is a belief many hold. Surprisingly little on torment.Luke 16:20-31(vs 23"...in hell he lift up his eyes,being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.")some say this is a parable,yes, no?

Psa 68:1-2" Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him.
2As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God." (2 things, Let God arise has been running through my mind the last few days, wanted to see where written, and there it is!!! God arises,wicked perish at the PRESENCE of God,)
---Christina on 7/10/11


Joseph, so far so good. o) Parentheses are just my personal notes, questions...Will be back later with more.Psa 37:6,9,20,36,38 Agree. Also psa37:1-2 (I like the fret not...).Same psalm, 37:10"For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be." (Take note of 'thou shalt diligently consider his place.). vs 20But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume, into smoke shall they consume away. (consume into smoke? burnt????)vs 28 "...but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off."(depending on meaning of cut off,intervention in the propagation of the wicked?)
---Christina on 7/10/11


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Amen to your post Christina. I hope that you will take the time, as I have, to cut, paste, and read, the verse references I gave concerning your inquiry. Your comments are always welcome. "[As] iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend." Pro 27:17
---joseph on 7/10/11


"That is key to so many of our "problems." Yes Geraldine, I agree. That why remembering the verses Christina posted concerning that misconception is so important for the believer. Father will never leave nor forsake His called and chosen, nor is He far from any of us, and that is important for the unbeliever to consider. And know Geraldine that you are quite welcome. Always my pleasure.
---joseph on 7/10/11


joseph, wish I had more time today. 2 of my girls are in soccer championship games this afternoon. Have only a few minutes now. Thanks for the verses which were posted this am, but I haven't read yet. Will do that later. Hoping this and last nights posts go through.Will post what I wrote late last night momentarily.
---christina on 7/10/11


written last night:
Joseph, Rev 19:20 refers to the beast and false prophet being thrown into the fiery lake of sulfur. While Revelation 21:8 states
"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liarsthey will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. Many would say this confirms that the lost will be sent to "hell". If they cease to exist, as you say, how would you explain?
But, I see you addressed this in your response that was posted earlier. I will need to process some of that later.
---christina on 7/10/11


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Looking forward to the post Christina. Be blessed.
---joseph on 7/10/11


I agree separation is on our part (whereas reconciliation is by His grace). I always thought there was more in scripture then Isaiah 59:2 to suggest separation from God. Yet it is good news(for us) that:Romans 8:35
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?"
Rom 8: 38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
---Christina on 7/10/11


joseph, I posted a response, which has not been put up yet. I wrote it before my response to aka,. Apparently chistianet doesn't always put up posts in the order in which they are submitted. That's no criticism, just an observation, I've seen a number of times. I did save what I wrote, so if it does not appear, I will re-post tomorrow. it's late where I am, I could use a bit of sleep. Thank you.
---christina on 7/10/11


Christina, continued.
"What are your reasons for believing they cease to exist?"
Psa.37:8,9,20,36,38>Psa.52:5>68:2>104:35>Psa.104:35>Prov.29:1>2:22>10:30>24:20>Job 20:1-8>Isa. 5:24>Isa.11:4
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die". Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth." Zec. 14:12
Christina if you think that I have taken any of these verses out of context, or that "die, be destroyed, Perish, vanish away, is no more, cut off, be no more, rooted out, be put out or be consumed" means anything other than we would normally believe it to mean, please share your views. Thanks
---joseph on 7/10/11


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Thanks aka. Now i too see it that way, a gift from my parents if you will.

Joseph, am reading, writing. more to come
---christina on 7/10/11


funny...i had gone by my middle name my whole life...parent's choice. then, i went through some stuff that made me realize i was a joseph. buy, here i yielded.

christina is a beautiful name.
---aka on 7/10/11


"What are your reasons for believing they cease to exist?"
Christina, In the words of Jesus."Fear not them which 'kill the body' [The first death], but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to 'destroy' (Apollymi-to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to) 'both soul and body' in 'hell' (The lake of fire)-[The second death]". Mat 10:28
When the wicked are casted into the lake of fire "[They are] dead, they shall not 'live' [be restored to life], [they are] deceased, they shall not rise: therefore have you 'visited,' (Judged, punished,) and 'destroyed' (same as above) them, and made all memory of them to perish." Isa 26:14 Continued with scripture references only.
---joseph on 7/9/11


Also aka, I'm reluctant somehow to let go of my given name as a signature for posting here. Much of my life I actually did not like my name, wished I had another, I can't even tell you why, but more recently I began to appreciate it. So, having said that, maybe i should do as Alan has done and add some numbers to the end of the signature. I could also use my christianet ID or screen name which they assign to you when you join. I noticed some do that.
---christina on 7/9/11


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aka, " christina Christina...i once posted as joseph. then i started to post under Joseph. also, another person...."
I thought as much, after reading some older posts with aka joseph. Some, not all, are recognizable by their unique style, certain characteristics, And last but certainly not least, by the spirit.I have seen, over the years, a few Josephs here, and it's clear that they are not all one and the same, however, there is a Joseph I remember well from a few years back, who invariably would speak the truth/the Word and the spirit testifies. I know nothing of this Joseph, except that the Lord speaks through him, and that's huge IMO. The sheep know His voice, and when we hear His voice, are we not glad?
---christina on 7/9/11


christina Christina...i once posted as joseph. then i started to post under Joseph. also, another person. i found it was better for the other joseph's because i did not want to misrepresent their POV. then i started aka_joseph, aka.joseph. then, just aka. it was simpler and seemingly no one else has used it.

i encourage you to find a unique name.
---aka on 7/9/11


joseph, let me start by saying amen to "If I ascend up into heaven, thou

[art] there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou [art there]. Psa.

139:8"
You wrote "I do agree that the wicked will be eternally separated

from"God," possible only because they to cease to exist."
I had never considered that possibility, but in thinking about it, since

some are born again, and made spiritually alive in Christ, those NOT

born again remain spiritually dead. What are your reasons for believing

they cease to exist?
---christina on 7/9/11


Thank you joseph. There are things I'd like to ask, but not much time to do so now. Just home for a brief time, until tonight. Hope you have a blessed day
---Christina on 7/9/11


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Josept - Thank you SO MUCH for reminding us that Genesis 3:9 shows separation from God is our doing, not God's! That is key to so many of our "problems."
---Geraldine on 7/9/11


Christina I will be happy to answer, with scripture, any question you have concerning my prior post. I will be back online after 10pm tonight. I agree conscious separation from God, for those who truly know Him, is and would be "hell":o) However that is impossible "If I ascend up into heaven, thou [art] there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou [art there]. Psa. 139:8 Father is omnipresent. I do agree that the wicked will be eternally separated from "God," possible only because they to cease to exist. While living man is only "alienated and enemies in [his own] mind by wicked works. The only verse that vaguely suggest sepation is Isa 59:2 But Gen. 3:9 shows the separation to be on our part, not His.
---joseph on 7/9/11


joseph, Likewise, I recognize you, and Christ in you. Thank you for answering. ""The kingdoms of this world [will] have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" Amen!..".Mercifully and lovingly for those who oppose his reign, and contrary to popular belief, they will be taken out of existence when thrown into the lake of fire." Ok, O think you've stated this in part on another post. Being taught in Catholic schools as a child I have had vivid ideas about lake of fire. Though no longer Catholic, some remains. Classic ideas of "hell", I've questioned, thought separation from God in and of itself would be a sort of "hell", but if you have more?
---christina on 7/9/11


Christina I would recognize a post submitted by you no matter what name you chose to use. Your style of writing and expression is compassionate, edifying, nonjudgmental, and easily identifiable. Opposers make it clear that "'We will not have this [man] to reign over us.' " It is written there will come a time when "The kingdoms of this world [will] have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" Although this is in reference to the millennia, and He will rule with a rod of iron during that time, that time is limited. Mercifully and lovingly for those who oppose his reign, and contrary to popular belief, they will be taken out of existence when thrown into the lake of fire.
---joseph on 7/9/11


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Jesus is speaking about the antiChrists who are Christ's enemies, nont one of them will enter into his kingdom of heaven, nor sit at his table, but the will be cast into hell for their wickedness: for whatever one sows that will they surely reap.
---Eloy on 7/9/11


joseph, I thought I saw this post earlier and it was reposted. Now I see you were commenting on your own post. I post as both Christina and christina, but there's rarely another, even though the names not uncommon. Perhaps I should switch. In any case, "He loved them enough to spare them the anguish of being forced to live an eternity under the only reign that will exist, yet one that they have no desire for," I'm processing this one. Can you elaborate?
---Christina on 7/9/11


""How is this consistent with Jesus' instruction to "Love your enemies"?"
Very much so. He loved them enough to spare them the anguish of being forced to live an eternity under the only reign that will exist, yet one that they have no desire for, and have totally rejected."
This post represents my thoughts and view. Unfortunately I misrepresented Joseph again by inadvertently capitalizing the J. I apologize Sir.
---joseph on 7/8/11


There's a distinction to be made between our enemies and Gods.
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them bring them here and kill them in front of me. The first part of this verse defines GODS enemies who reject Him.(did not want Him to be king over them) All enemies may not remain so, and we do not know who will finally and totally reject the Lord, or who is yet to be saved, God alone knows. all were enemies at one time, and we are to be merciful and forgive as we have been shown mercy,and forgiveness Colossians 1:21
"Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior."
---christina on 7/8/11


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"How is this consistent with Jesus' instruction to "Love your enemies"?"
Very much so. He loved them enough to spare them the anguish of being forced to live an eternity under the only reign that will exist, yet one that they have no desire for, and have totally rejected.
---Joseph on 7/8/11


The general message I am receiving from these comments is: God being God will not rescue those who disobey and turn away from Him and all He represents. Thank you, all.
---Geraldine on 7/7/11


The citizens appear to be whosoever rejects the gospel...
Those given talents (the servants), Matthew 25:30 says: "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
That correlates with John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered, and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

As to the "Love your enemies"? part:
The Lord have not returned yet and cast anyone out.
There is hope yet, right?

Galatians 6:9 "And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not."
---Nana on 7/7/11


The servants who did not obey the master were to die.
Death is the same penalty
for those who will not allow God to have authority over them.

Even the unfaithful servent was not to lose his life, only the money he had been given in the beginning. There is no reason to assume that the parable does not apply equally to what ever gifts we receive of the Lord...money, abilities, energy, time... any gift from God that we may invest.

By the way, nowhere does the Lord indicate disapproval of the allegorical master for his practice of "capitalism".
---Donna66 on 7/7/11


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Yes, Jesus does say, "love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you," in Matthew 5:44. It is not our job to judge our enemies. Jesus is worthy to decide what to do with ones who have refused Him after how He with us have loved them. If they think they are too good for Jesus, this is so very conceited. Jesus said, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." (in Luke 10:18) Even though Heaven has such love, Satan was not satisfied with Heaven the way it is, so he had to be thrown out. If people feel they are too good for Jesus, they won't want to be with Him.
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/6/11


This parable is not about money. It is about using your gifts for God's kingdom before His return. God/Jesus is obviously the king, 10 servants represent us. Only 3 of the 10 return to report on there money. 2 report wise investments (use there gifts for God's purpose) 1 did not use his gift therefore lost it. the remaining 7 are the ones who reject Jesus as savior and thus condemned to hell aka executed in the parable. Jesus commands us to Love our enemies so that we will reduce conflict between fellow man. The parable is about Judgement Day when the king returns and separate the sheep and goats.
---Scott on 7/6/11


I don't have any "enemies" it's just that all my friends hate me!
---1st_cliff on 7/6/11


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