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Is The Lake Of Fire Literal

Is the "Lake of fire" literal?

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1 Cliff, my studies in hermenuetics have helped me in learning how to interpret Scripture. I'm no expert. But I have the fundamentals. My studies teach me that students of the Word should use what is called Literal interpretation. Not what some think it means, but to interpret the Bible just like any other book. Nouns as nouns, adjectives as adjectives etc, parables as parables, metaphors as metaphors, poems as poems and so on. One main thing is the word "know" According to Scripture, persons do not truly posses knowledge unless they are living in the light of that knowledge. True faith is not only knowledge about God (which even the demons possess) but knowledge act on.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/11


David Amen! When God destroys the wicked , he does it, he DOES NOT keep the wicked dangling like a puppet on strings. He destroys them until nothing left!
---Candice on 7/15/11


Gordon- the hell-fire doctrine leans very heavily on Hellenic philosophy. It just doesn't come even close to the teaching of the Bible. Yes I do lean on God's word, not on my own understanding. Nowhere in the original writings, Hebrew or Greek will you find the equivalent word 'hell'.

Hell is a man-made doctrine used to control the masses through false religion. 'Do as you are told or you'll go to hell!' Yes, God's ways are far higher than mans. Way over and above the hellish man-made hellfire doctrine. God's ways are ways of love- not revenge and eternal torture.

The pagan hell-fire doctrine is the single most potent doctrine outside evolution driving people away from God and into atheism.
---David8318 on 7/15/11


lake of fire is literal
but it does notyet exist
the bible says :
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone

This happens after the second ressurrection. Thus it doe snot exist or is not happening now
---francis on 7/15/11


I suggest everyone here read THE RIVER OF FIRE by Dr. Alexandre Kalimiros.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/15/11




The pagan 'hell-fire' doctrine is not limited to false Christianity. Hell is taught in many, if not all non-Christian religions, cults and sects.

Not only has apostate Christendom adopted this cruel teaching, but it is found in Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam. The ancient Greeks, Plato in particular were fascinated by pagan hell-fire doctrine.

According to Plato, where did 'souls' go when the body died? 'Such are hurled into Tartarus [to the ancient Greeks, a section of Hades reserved for punishment of the worst offenders]... and they will never come out.'

Certainly, the ancient Greeks had their belief of everlasting torment in hell long before apostate Christendom's theologians took it over!
---David8318 on 7/15/11


David8318, In the Bible, GOD also says that man's ways are not like HIS. GOD's Ways are higher than our ways. GOD will do things that we do not understand. And, Scripture warns us to not lean on our own understanding. This is why, we, as a Church, are to daily RENEW OUR MINDS. To conform to the Mind of YAHUSHUA (CHRIST JESUS). THEN, we will better understand GOD's Ways. Still not fully and completely, but, in a much better way. Hell and the Lake of Fire is GOD's Vengeance on Evil and Evildoers, both angelic and human. The Lake of Fire was initially only for Satan and the devils. But, a number of mankind go there because they follow the Devil, even unwittingly.
---Gordon on 7/15/11


The teaching of eternal torment presents a moral problem.

Catholic theologian Hans Kung: 'Should the God of love... watch for all eternity this endless, hopeless, pitiless, loveless, cruel physical-psychological torture of his creatures? Is he such a hardhearted creditor? What would we think of a human-being who satisfied his thirst for revenge so implacably and insatiably?'

Indeed, how can the God who tells us in the Bible that we are to 'love our enemies' wish to torture His enemies for eternity? (1John 4:8-10) Why does it come as a surprise to the likes of MarkV that the nature of hell simply is not compatible with the nature of God- that this hellish doctrine does not make moral sense?
---David8318 on 7/15/11


Mark,


Pray for me that I might turn away from my heretical and devilish ways so I will not cause others to stray from the truth. That I can learn how to study scripture in context and be able to answer properly. Ask for me that I might be lead by the Spirit when I study to really be able to understand it. You have taught me so much and have shown me the error of my ways and revealed that which was hidden to me. If I only had such a teacher in my life before now.

Thank You, and don't worry the dust settles eventually
---willa5568 on 7/14/11


\\Francis - You are DECEIVED. I suggest you come to Christ on His terms, and not your own, or you will end up in Hell.\\
---Leslie on 7/14/11


Leslie, you said about two weeks ago that Francis is the only person other than you that is saved. Now he's lost too, and you're the only one left? Will you save us all?
---James_L on 7/14/11




Willa 2, I have sat here listening to Rhonda and others who have the guts to call others pagan
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dearest Mark you are sincerely deceived in all your readings about me AGAIN ...I guess I am your personal project on these blogs LOL ...no comments from me here YET you mention me and spread MORE LIES ...not once have I called anyone a "pagan" either ...seems like you are deliberately misreading my posts to purposely add your "loving christian gossip and slanderous hate" to me seeing you are stalking me across multiple topics now
---Rhonda on 7/14/11


Willa 2, I have sat here listening to Rhonda and others who have the guts to call others pagan and teaching satanic believes, and no one but Leslie has had the guts to answered back the way most of you answer. Maybe been kind answering does not work for many of you guys. Maybe we should be as hard as many of you are concerning the deity of Christ or the deity of the Spirit. Answering kindly does not seem to work for most of you. You want to discuss passage by passage I am willing. But I get a little tired of listening to many call us pagan. We are children of God. Might not know everything, but know by faith that Christ the Lord is God.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/11


Mark V, When you read the newspaper and a columnist errs, do you throw out the whole paper as trash??
There's no point in you "studying" the bible, just "read" it and believe whatever it says. Fire burning undrground,
horses riding out of the sky, dragons with 7 heads 10 horns, sheep living forever, goats perishing,a harlot riding on a beast, moon turning to blood,1/3 of the stars falling on earth etc.etc. ad infinitum,ad nauseum!
---1st_cliff on 7/14/11


Willa, heretics are those who change the written Truth to a lie. It is a lie Christ is a created being. It is a lie going on for thousands of years. When you begin to change the Deity of Christ to a lie you become a heretic to the faith. Scripture declares God is the Creator, Jesus is the Creator, God the Father is the Savior, Christ Jesus is is the Savior for even His name means "God the Savior" it also declares the Father, the Son, and the Spirit give life. It also declares that God is sovereign over everything everywhere. And those who teach different have no excuse to intentionally teach opposite to the Word of God. We are told "Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is antichrist" 1 John 2:22.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/11


---Leslie on 7/14/11
Notice this verse about the creation of man:
Genesis 2:7 God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Notice this verse about those who died in noah's flood:

Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

Every human being Good or evel, saved or unsaved, has the breath of life in them:

And when we die, good or bad The spirit of God goes back to him.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

That does not mean that every body goes to heaven, it mean the breath of God which is in EVERYBODY goes back to God at death.
---Francis on 7/14/11


This is Leslie's deception-

'those whose name is not written in the Book of Life WILL go to Hell (1 Cor. 6:9-10, Eph. 5:5-7, Rev. 20:15, Rev. 21:8).'- Leslie 7/13/11.

None of those verses mention the pagan 'hell'.

Leslie is somewhat confused in his comments to Francis. Leslie defines 'destruction' for those on the 'broad and spacious road' as 'hell'. But I thought hell doesn't teach 'destruction'. Hell doctrine teaches an 'ETERNATY' of punishment (Leslie's word- inc. the bad spelling).

Which is it Leslie? Destruction or and 'ETERNATY' of punishment? You can't have it both ways. Jesus' use of 'Gehenna' and the 'Lake of Fire' mean 'destruction' with no hope of return.
---David8318 on 7/14/11


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Bill_willa6989, with all due respect, I believe that Jesus suffered, died and was risen not only to keep us from "hell" but to reconcile us to God.
Hebrews 12:2
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
---Christina on 7/14/11


I also stand with those who speak against the pagan teaching of hell-fire. Jesus did not speak the word 'hell'. All Greek manuscripts & concordances will show Jesus spoke the word 'Gehenna'. By this Jesus' listeners would have known exactly what he meant.

Regarding 'Gehenna', God said regarding putting people literally into 'Gehenna' (or 'Geh-Hinnom) was something that had 'not come up into His heart'- Jer.7:31.

The 'Lake of Fire' is not literal, unless you believe the '7 headed 10 horned wild beast' and the 'false prophet' are also literal- Rev.19:20, 20:10. Both 'Gehenna' and the 'Lake of Fire' represent complete destruction with no hope of return.
---David8318 on 7/14/11


Francis, Willa5568, Frank - You ALL are DECIEVED and AGAINST the Bible. Yes we all will die someday, but the Bible makes it clear that our spirits will spend ETERNATY in either Heaven (for those that repent and put their trust in Jesus Christ) or Hell (for all that do not) (Hebrews 9:27, Revelation 20:15). If you are saying this is not true, you call God a LIAR.
---Leslie on 7/14/11


It is not literal the way we now can imperfectly understand it! But what God means, yes what it means to Him is literal. And I consider how Jesus so suffered and bled to death, in order to make sure we do not go to the lake which burns with fire and brimstone. Jesus would know if there is such "hell", and He was willing to suffer like that so we do not go there. Why would He so suffer, just to keep sinners from having an unconscious eternity? So, I would say Jesus is quite convinced there is hell, and that such suffering was worthwhile to make sure we do not go there. If He was willing to suffer like that, to keep us from going to hell, this could mean it is much worse than any of us now have been able to think.
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/14/11


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Leslie,
You can see the Genesis account of man that has the breath of life in him in John where the Lord breathed on his disciples and said Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
Those who were dried land are those formed from the dust of the earth (like all) but have not had the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
Just because people say they are a Christian, it doesn't make it so. Some christians (not Christians) worship a false jesus (not Jesus). They are dried land like the non-believer.
Spiritually dead. In a sense, like The Night Of The Living Dead walking around eating the arm of flesh the false prophets feed them.
I hope this helps.
---Frank on 7/14/11


Francis,

I understand what you are saying and agree with you 100%. I think the problem is most do not think death is literal, only the dusty package that holds our soul and spirit dies.

O' yea, I gave a response on the 1Timothy blog but put Cluny's name, my apologies.

Gods peace
---willa5568 on 7/14/11


---Leslie on 7/14/11
Read your bible carefully: Every human being has the breath of God in them:
Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

And when they die, that breath of life goes back to God who gave it:
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish

Now this is 100% bible.
So either you do not understand what I am saying, or you just have not yet studied that doctrine
---francis on 7/14/11


Francis - You are DECEIVED. I suggest you come to Christ on His terms, and not your own, or you will end up in Hell.
---Leslie on 7/14/11


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Mark,

I have read a lot of arrogant statements you have given towards others. You said to someone you do not claim to know everything in scripture yet everyone who says opposite of you is wrong. You say people are heretics, are not saved, do not know or understand the scripture, do not understand because the Spirit has not given it to them, attempt to understand by the flesh, you use scripture and others don't as if you can not be wrong. I caution you to remember the way you judge others is the way you will be judged. So I hope you are correct or your judgement will be harsh for your condemnation of others.
---willa5568 on 7/14/11


Here is a parable, that speaks truth to believers, but you don't want to believe it,
---Mark_V. on 7/13/11

It is a parable, Dead people do NOT speak or think. And the purpose of the parable is to tell us that we have the word of God and we should believe the word of God

francis - NO where in the Bible does it say that everyone goes to God at death.
---Leslie on 7/13/11
I am 100% sure that you missunderstood what you read.
I said EVERY SPIRIT / BREATH goes back to God who gave it. Not every person goes to God at death.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
---francis on 7/14/11


1Cliff, that is your problem that I see for a long time. You do not believe the Word of God, or you believe it when you feel it meets your requirements. Which is, whenever you want. You are willing to give Scripture many times, and yet you do not believe it in the first place. You do not understand some part because it does not fit to what you believe, so you reject it. We all know Luke was not present. What you have done is said in your mind, since he was not there, why believe him. If the Word of God is not inspired by God, then nothing can be sure. And really, no hope at all. Might as well just throw it out.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/11


francis, you are trying to understand things in the flesh. Like you are not even saved. Thinking without faith in the Word. Trying to figure out with your own understandings.
Here is a parable, that speaks truth to believers, but you don't want to believe it, because it does not fit what you already believe. So you reject this Truth. Before you say, "this is not true," find out why it was said. Was Christ making up a story of lies to tell a Truth? We know He was not. And then take it from there. If you reject the Truth in one passage, then there's no telling how many more Truths you will reject for the sole purpose to satisfy your prior believes.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/11


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francis - I am suprised at you, I thought you were saved. Turns out you are not and are not in line with the Bible here. NO where in the Bible does it say that everyone goes to God at death. In fact the opposite. The Bible says that more will go to Hell, then to Heaven (wide is the road to distruction (Hell) and MANY that find it, narrow is the road to life (Heaven) and FEW that find it - Matthew 7:13-14). The Bible says that ALL idolaters, blasphemers, murderers, adulterers, thief's, liars, those that commit witchcraft, and those whose name is not written in the Book of Life WILL go to Hell (1 Cor. 6:9-10, Eph. 5:5-7, Rev. 20:15, Rev. 21:8).
---Leslie on 7/13/11


Mark V, No games, there's no account that Luke ever met Jesus.
You think that just because it's written down on holy paper it's automatically "God breathed" I'm not that naive!or gullible!
Anger? yes God was angry many times (righteous indignation) did he ever suggest to the OT Saints that offenders be thrown into a volcano alive? or even in the literal Gehenna outside Jerusalem?
Anger does not = brutality!
Our court Judges are angered by some convicts,do they ever sentence them to torture?
"Common sense" problem is , it's not that common!
---1st_cliff on 7/13/11


The Pharisees, who were lovers of money..For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God--16:14,15

These Pharisees are portrayed as the rich man. Lazarus being the only name mentioned and that he desired or longed to be fed is done for a purpose. It is Greek for the Hebrew name Eleazar, which means God has helped. Dogs being mentioned is very significant also. To think an animal despised showed more compassion than a fellow Jew. Then it reads, "Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things, but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish". Matt. 10:28, Luke 12:4,5 show what happens in the lake of fire. Geenna is used to typify it.
---willa5568 on 7/13/11


If anyone really took seriously what the bible says happens when you die, how can they believe that dead people can see, think and care. Then there is the believe that as soon as you die to go to heaven or lake of fire. FOOLISHNESS!!
Dig up any grave and you will find the body or the bones, and the bible tells us that the spirit of EVERY MAN saved or unsaved goes to God at death.
---francis on 7/13/11


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My God does not use "scare tactics" but rather love and persuasion!Drop your pagan beliefs!
---1st_cliff on 7/12/11

I am sorry, but you do not believe in the Hebrew God.

The Hebrew God of the OT used "scare tactics" so much more than Jesus did in the NT. Perhaps you have read about them in the NT book of Jude? Or 2 Peter?

Let me ask you one question. When Jesus said to the Apostles, "when you have seen Me you have seen the Father", did you believe Him? I do believe Jesus and in doing so, I must also accept that Jesus could be angry and so could the Father. Righteous anger, but yes, anger. Believing that God, the Father could be angry at me definitely changes the way I believe.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/13/11


1st Cliff, YAHUSHUA (JESUS) is recorded in the Book of Luke as telling the Story of the Rich Man and Lazarus. The whole Bible is the Word of GOD, no matter which person GOD used to write it down. You are in error. As you are many times. Sorry.
---Gordon on 7/13/11


I personally believe that the Story of the Rich Man and Lazarus is a true Story, rather than a Parable.
---Gordon on 7/13/11


1Cliff, you are now playing games. So what do you expect believers to do? Throw away every single book because God did not write it down Himself but a writer did? That is what you are implying. Though Luke did not witness the event, he wrote what Jesus said. When John wrote about Jesus Christ and what He said, it does not mean that Jesus wrote it down, and that we cannot trust by faith that he was telling the Truth. You are playing games to argue and place doubt to the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/11


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Mark Eaton, **Jesus is the one who told the story**
Wrong! Luke is the one who told the story and no one else verifies it.
Luke, a Greek Gentile was well familiar with Greco-Roman mythology of Hades and the underworld of the living dead!
My God does not use "scare tactics" but rather love and persuasion!Drop your pagan beliefs!
---1st_cliff on 7/12/11


francis, why ask me those questions? I'm not Jesus who told the story (parable) why ask me? Do you have any clue what a parable is? A parable reveals two basic purposes. "The first of these is to reveal Truth to believers" (Matt. 13:10-12) The reason He told them is because parables cause a lasting impression and often far more effective than ordinary talk." What you are suggesting is that Jesus made up lies to teach believers Truth." Just nonesense.
The second purpose for parables by Jesus was to confront believers with wrongdoing in their lives. If a believer fails to live up to the standards of God the parable can be an effective means to point out this discrepancy.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/11


When did people in Hades get memory and ability to speak?
How did this rich man even have a single thought?
---francis on 7/12/11

I find in these questions, that you directly question the words of Jesus.

Jesus is the one who told this story. Jesus is the one who said of the thoughts of these men, the conversation of these men, the scene itself in Hades, and the gulf and the flames.

Who would know better about what actually happens after death, the Creator of your body and the Creator of the placed named Hades, or you who are merely interpreting His words?
---Mark_Eaton on 7/12/11


Everyone that talks about parables never seem to give the meaning, not only the summary but in detail, aas Jsesu di the sower.
---micha9344 on 7/12/11


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. "The rich man also died and was buried. And "being in torments in Hades," he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom" Luke 16:22,23. ---Mark_V. on 7/11/11

When did people in Hades get memory and ability to speak?

How did this rich man even have a single thought?
Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, [nor] in the son of man, in whom [there is] no help.

Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

IT IS A PARABLE
---francis on 7/12/11


Leslie, You're very right about the Lake of Fire being for mankind as well as for the devils. But, Hell is only a temporary place of Torments for the Damned. It is the place the Rebellious and Wicked go to at Death. The Lake of Fire is the eternal dwelling place of the Damned. They are cast in there after the 1,000 Year Reign of YAHUSHUA (JESUS) on Earth ends. I've used this analogy before and I'll repeat it, here, because it fits perfectly. Hell and the Lake of Fire are like Death Row and the final Execution Day for a criminal. Except the final Execution Day of the Lake of Fire lasts Eternally. With no escape.
---Gordon on 7/12/11


Some of you mention the story of the rich man and Lazerous, but you forget one VERY IMPORTANT detail - this story was BEFORE Jesus took the keys of death and the grave away. Therefore this place is only a burial place, NOT the Lake of Fire (Hell). Hell is NOT a burial place, but an ETERNAL place of TORMENT. Yes, it was meant for Satan and his angels, but ever since the fall of Adam and Eve, is also for humans that do NOT repent and put their trust in Jesus. Yes, God WILL punish humans there FOREVER because He is just and holy.
---Leslie on 7/12/11


The Lake of Fire... Imagine yourself all alone in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. No clothes, no boat nor raft. No food or fresh water. You're somehow able to keep yourself afloat. You never die. You're threatened by sharks and other sea-creatures. There'll be no one to come and rescue you. You'll have absolutely nothing to do. Nothing to do with your life. No meaning, no purpose, as you simply spend your life immersed in water in the middle of nowhere. Sound like a life worth living throughout Eternity? But, you'd be ALIVE, right?! Le Lac du Feu will be like that only it will be Fire-Water. And, you'll be surrounded by other souls screaming their lungs out. Satan and the devils'll be there. And, you know what they say about bad company....
---Gordon on 7/12/11


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MarkV, I was being ironic. There will be no gratuitous everlasting punishment in hell. Or even non-gratuitous. :-)
---John.usa on 7/12/11


Sami65 and Reba, AMEN! JOSEPH, Where did you get that stuff at?? I'll tell you where. You are LEANING ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING about what the spiritual beings are like. Just because your flesh-and-blood eyes, (formed from the inferior matter like the dust of the Earth) cannot see the spiritual beings, does not mean that they are without substance. Or that they cannot see, taste, smell, feel and speak! NO, rather, they CAN do all of these things. And, the human souls will, also, throughout Eternity (whether in Heaven OR Hell). In fact their senses will be sharper and keener. More keener so that their continuing experience and sensations while at their Eternal Abode will be greatly magnified.
---Gordon on 7/12/11


PETER, Yes, we do need to know how bad it is. We need to know that it IS exactly as YAHUSHUA described it to be in the Scriptures. That how He described it was not
"metaphorical" or "symbolic". Because, at least, there will be some people, even if just a handful, who will take their life here and in the Hereafter more SERIOUSLY and live GOD's Way as a result. Saving their own soul from Eternal Damnation. YES, it makes a great difference!
---Gordon on 7/12/11


Does it really matter? What is important above all is that hell is terrible - we don't need to know HOW it is terrible!
---Peter on 7/12/11


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The rich man saw his brothers but it never said that the ones in heaven saw the ones suffering in hell. Its part of the punishment for the lost to see & remember. But the ones in heaven will not see them. Rev.21:4- & God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, & there shall be no more death, neither sorrow or crying,neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
---Reba on 7/12/11


YES, it is literal and real, and it does exists now, all devils and their followers from unbelievers from humans will be burned forever in that Lake of Fire. Reed the Bible and you will know. Don't just choose what to consider as a literal and what as a symbolic. God Words should be clear and should not trick people. And people should not twist what God told us to make it fit to what we want or to make it look nicer!!!
---Sami65 on 7/12/11


"Is the "Lake of fire" literal?" No.
The lake of fire is prepared for the devil & his angels. Neither of which has ever lived as mortals, nor possess an organic body born of woman. Therefore not subject to the laws of natures, or its elements. Indicating to me that the lake of fire at the end of this age, is not a literal "lake of fire".
---joseph on 7/12/11


John usa, I don't know why you would say that. The parable is about two people. One in Abrahams bosom, an expression used in the Talmud as a figure for heaven. The idea is that Lazarus was given a place of high honor, seating next to Abraham at the heavenly banquet. They were both physically dead. But spiritually one was in heaven and the other in hades. No where in the passage does it state that the rich man would be watching his mother or brothers going to heaven or hell, or could he see the people alive or for that matter talk to them or feel pain for them, he was feeling pain himself and didn't want his family to go through what he was going through. He realize his missed opportunities. But it was too late.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/11


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If the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is literal, it means that people in heaven will spend eternity watching their unsaved mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, friends and acquaintances suffer. That would be nice, wouldn't it.
---John.usa on 7/11/11


The Pharisees, who were lovers of money..For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God--16:14,15

These Pharisees are portrayed as the rich man. Lazarus being the only name mentioned and that he desired or longed to be fed is done for a purpose. It is Greek for the Hebrew name Eleazar, which means God has helped. Dogs being mentioned because they were unclean animals to Jews is significant also. Then we have this, "Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things, but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish". This shows Gods hate for greed and self righteousness and that he does not see as men do. A parable not literal.
---willa5568 on 7/11/11


Considering the story (parable?) of Lazarus and the rich man, the rich man was there immediately after death.

Since it would be natural to assume that his body was put in a tomb, cave, or some other burial place, it should be easy to believe that it was his spirit in Hades.

I don't think a spirit could be burned in a physical fire, but it says he was gettin cooked.

Not literal, as in "made with physical properties" like a bar-b-que grill with charcoal on it, or a bonfire.

I've been in hell, right here on earth. I'm tellin you that being set on fire might have been a more merciful alternative if what I went through would have lasted forever
---James_L on 7/11/11


leej "While Hades or hell is a place of torment for the damned, is not the lake of fire simply their final destruction?"

I'm wondering about that. there are many verses showing the wicked will be destroyed, cease to exist, etc, but how? Lake of fiery sulfur?

"As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the
fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God." psalm 68:2

God is a consuming fire.
His enemies are consumed: psalm 37:20 "But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies
of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume, into smoke shall they consume away."


---Christina on 7/11/11


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While Hades or hell is a place of torment for the damned, is not the lake of fire simply their final destruction?

The story of Lazarus in the bosom of Abraham and the rich man in hell (Luke 16) is one parable that Adventists have had to spiritualize in order to support their belief that one sleeps in the grave until the judgment day. In doing so they merely make Jesus to be a simple story teller.
---leej on 7/11/11


Of course it's literal.(LITERAL-BEING EXACTLY AS STATED). God is FAR more wise than His creation(humans), so He'd use another word if it wasn't literal. There is a real lake of fire whether we believe it or not. Our belief doesn't change the fact that it's there & the unsaved are going. Heaven is just as real & there's a way of escape for ALL who accept Christ as Saviour.
---Reba on 7/11/11


There are certain inherent problems with a literal fire.
1st. one is that for 4,000 years God never warned "His" people about such a place so the Jewish religion today does not embrace such a doctrine!
2nd. it paints God as a fiend,committing crimes against humanity, right up there with Pol Pot, Hitler and Saddam Hussein !
3rd truth being that YHWH is a God of Love set to save the human race , not torture it!
---1st_cliff on 7/11/11


francis, you are disagreeing with the words of Jesus. It was His parable of what He could see unless He was lying. "The rich man also died and was buried. And "being in torments in Hades," he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom" Luke 16:22,23. Christ pictured Hades as a place where the unspeakable torment of hell had already begun. Among the miseries featured here are unquenchable flame (Matt. 25:46), an accusing conscience fed by undying memories of lost opportunity (v.25), and permanent, irreverible separation from God and everything good (v.26).
Rev. 20:14, "Then death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire" So in Hades they are already in torment.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/11


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Yes, and likewise is the bliss of heaven literal.
---Eloy on 7/11/11


I want to always believe what Jesus said. And Jesus said this about the lake of fire:

Matt 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels".

Sounds pretty literal to me.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/11/11


\\Scientists believe that the core of the Earth is like a ball of hot gases (like the Sun), so very hot!\\

Wrong.

The core of the earth is NOT a ball of gases, but liquid nickel-iron. At least that is what scientists believe.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/11/11


The lake of fire which is the final punishment for sin does not yet exist.

The time of existance of the lake of fire:
Revelation 20:9 and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
SO this lake of fire is NOT n the earth's crust it comes down from heaven to the surface of the earth.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne,
ANd it coems after the great white throne judgment

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
---francis on 7/11/11


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Yes, the Lake of Fire is literal, just as the Woman sitting on the Beast with Seven Heads and Ten Horns is literal. No doubt about it!
---John.usa on 7/11/11


1Cliff, I believe Hell is a literal place in which many are in torment already. Where it is no one knows. Scripture does not tell us where it is.
I also believe the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is also literal, since this parable is the only one where someone is named, (Lazarus). And clearly not the Lazarus of John 11 (who died at a later time). The beggar was the only character in any of Jesus Parables ever given a name. Some therefore as me have speculated that this was no imaginary tale, but an actual incident that really took place. Either way Christ employs it in the same fashion as all His parables, to teach a lesson.
The suggestion that a rich man would be excluded from heaven would scandalized the Pharisees.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/11


Hell, which is different than the Lake and Fire, and precedes the Lake, is in the center of the Earth. Scientists believe that the core of the Earth is like a ball of hot gases (like the Sun), so very hot! Hell surrounds the center. If what the scientists believe is true. It would make sense. The center "could" be the Lake. And, though it's smaller compared to the whole Earth. It'd be extremely HUGE to us tiny human beings. It would appear as a "lake" or "ocean". I don't know that the center is the Lake of Fire. But, I know that Hell is below.
---Gordon on 7/11/11


A man named Estep who had a program called
"THE KING IS COMING" believed that hell or the lake of fire was literal and that it was the sun of our Universe.
---mima on 7/11/11


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The bible says it is a Lake of fire. Enough said. We only have God's word in the bible and that is going to have to be enough. For now. Someday we will understand everything,if we remain faithful and steadfast.Right now we are to be obedient to the word of God,live the holiest life we can and not try to understand everything. God is God. We are not. We will never understand everything about God. But He reveals what He will to us.
---Robyn on 7/11/11


Yes there is a literal Lake of Fire (Hell). Jesus talked more about Hell then He did Heaven. The Bible says that Hell is a place where you will burn alive FOREVER and where worms and maggots crawl through you FOREVER. It is a place of darkness and separation from God FOREVER. The Bible says that ALL idolaters, blasphemers, murderers, adulterers, thief's, liars, those that commit witchcraft, and those not written in the Book of Life will go to Hell (1 Cor. 6:9-10, Eph. 5:5-7, Rev. 20:15, Rev. 21:8).
---Leslie on 7/11/11


YES! YES! YES! The Lake of Fire is a LITERAL Lake of Fire! It is of Fire and Brimstone! Just as the Bible says! Hell and the Lake of Fire are hardly preached and taught about in Church today. And, even when it is, most of the time it is down-played and taught incorrectly. The Lake of Fire is like Lava. After Lava spews forth from a Volcano, it will eventually harden as it cools down. The colder it gets, the harder it becomes. The exact opposite is true. The hotter it is, the more liquified it gets. The Lake of Fire is so very hot, that it is as the consistency of WATER. Thus it is a "Lake" of Fire. Take GOD's Word at face value. People are just afraid to face the truth! But, yet, of course we should fear such a place!!
---Gordon on 7/11/11


If literal, then it must have a geographic location.
80% of our planet is covered by water,where do you imagine it could be?
Keep in mind that if you also believe the Rich man and Lazarus story to be "literal , then heaven and the lake of fire are within sight of each other!
---1st_cliff on 7/11/11


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1Cliff, I do not believe it is literal, but very bad images. One reason is that many passages discribe hell in many different ways. I suspect they are images and symbols, but I find no relief in that. We must not think of them as merely symbol. It is probable that the sinner in hell would prefer a literal lake of fire to the reality of hell. Because the other images of hell are much worse. I say this because the function of symbols is to point beyond themselves to a higher or more intense state of actuality then the symbol itself can contain.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/11


Also referred to as fiery lake of sulfur. I want to know what this is.
While sulfur (brimstone)is an essential element for life, it's various forms have a variety of uses, from medicinal, fungicidal, insecticidal,metabolic fuel, present in vitamin (thiamine), a component of proteins and more. Characteristic smell of rotten eggs, and presence in waters prior to volcanic eruptions (ie: Pliny, Vesuvius) Just SOME food for thought
---christina on 7/10/11


The Bible declares it to be so, enough said.

Paul
---paul on 7/10/11


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