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Unbeliving Philanthropist

"What would you say of an unbeliever who nevertheless did great works - for example, a rich atheist philanthropist who builds many hospitals and saves many lives? Remember, at the final judgment, many will boast to Jesus of their great works, and he will reply:
Matthew 7:23"

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Amen Nana, the unbelievers who reject Christ will likewise be rejected by Christ.
---Eloy on 7/29/11


Eloy:

You said: It does not mean that all people were in sin when Christ died, for that is a lie straight from the pit.

If there were some people who were sinless apart from Christ, those people would not need Christ - they would be able to get into heaven without him. Do you know anybody like that?

Have you forgotten Romans 3:10
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one"

Is that a lie straight from the pit?
---StrongAxe on 7/29/11


Strongaxe, very good points you gave Eloy. You know, everyone has an opinion. And what we do is compare it to Scripture. I have it in spanish also. The meanings do not change. some words do to make it easier to understand. Of course when we run into a trouble passage, we get Interliners and learn from where the word came from correctly. Unless the Bible someone uses is a good Bible, and not the New World Translation, it will help the student to know the Truth. I think it's ok for Eloy to disagree but to condemn just because you do not agree with him is very wrong.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/11


Nana, A-men. Jesus is the key.
---Eloy on 7/29/11


chria9396, There are many false doctrines and sins borne from english mistranslations. Romans 5:9 is a common mistranslation that sinners seize and use to propagate the lie from the enemy that all souls are sinful. lit.Gk: "but God which introduced of his love toward us, because besides being of the offenders, of us Christ for us died." Rm.5:8. This speaks of Christ putting on flesh and being counted together with the offenders in order to redeem those in the flesh. It does not mean that all people were in sin when Christ died, for that is a lie straight from the pit.
---Eloy on 7/29/11




Eloy:

Once again, you provide translations at variance with every other translator. Because those translators are all in agreement, they constitute multiple witnesses. Since your own translation disagrees, it is only one witness (and hence, does not meet the Biblical criterion for establishment of truth). Yet when confronted on this, rather than providing a second witness, you slander the messenger with blasphemy. Does this mean all Bible translators for the past 2000 years, excepting Eloy alone, were blasphemers?
---StrongAxe on 7/29/11


cluny, more blasphemy and falsehood from foolish clay.
---Eloy on 7/28/11


\\strongax, lit.Gk: "but God which introduced of his love toward us, because besides being of the offenders, of us Christ for us died."\\

Again, you post untruth, eloy.

This is not a literal translation but a school-boy crib.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/11


strongax, lit.Gk: "but God which introduced of his love toward us, because besides being of the offenders, of us Christ for us died." Rm.5:8. For from the first offsprings there were the righteous and the sinuous, and not all sinuous, there is righteous Abel and sinful Cain, the sheep and the goats: for not all are disobedient but there are the obedient and the disobedient, the good and the bad. What said God to Elijah when he ran from Jezebel and spoke to God against his people, wrongly accusing that, they killed all your prophets and I only am left alive and serve you? God said: "I have saved to myself 7,000 men, who have not bowed the knee to Baal." I Kg.19:13-18+ Rm.11:2-4.
---Eloy on 7/28/11


Eloy:

You said: Unconditional love is a lie from the pit. There is absolutely no such thing as unconditional love: love is conditional, it always has been and it always is and it always will be. The truth is when you do good God loves you, and when you do evil God hates you, even a little child understands this truth

Did you forget Romans 5:8
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Jesus didn't come to minister to saints, but rather to sinners, to transform them into saints. If his love was conditional, he would never have done that.
---StrongAxe on 7/28/11




Eloy,
Is unconditional love a lie from the pit?
GOD IS LOVE! what condition before God became love?
FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD... what condition before He send Jesus?
i agree that there's no uncoditional salvation (believe in Christ)
forgiveness(repent) supernatural provision(ask seek and knock). but love is the person of God and therefore unconditional. God is love with or without us. that's what implied with unconditional love. now God calls us too love the same 1 pet 1:22, 1 pet 2:17, 1john2:9. what reason is there to love ANY brother in CHRST, they offendme i offendthem... there's more reasons for hating, thats why we received A NEW Command to love eachother as JESUS(GOD Loved us.John 13:34
GOD IS GOOD
---andy3996 on 7/28/11


Eloy, "Unconditional love is a lie from the pit. There is absolutely no such thing as unconditional love: love is conditional, it always has been and it always is and it always will be. The truth is when you do good God loves you, and when you do evil God hates you," Very strong words. If what you say is true, how do you explain Romans 5:8
"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."?
---chria9396 on 7/28/11


Amos 3:1_3: "Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,
You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"

Agreements are made/based on conditions and dispositions.
---Nana on 7/28/11


Unconditional love is a lie from the pit. There is absolutely no such thing as unconditional love: love is conditional, it always has been and it always is and it always will be. The truth is when you do good God loves you, and when you do evil God hates you, even a little child understands this truth: this is one reason why Jesus Almighty created hell and the lake of fire and brimstone with everlasting torments, it is not for any one that he loves, but it is expressly made for Satan and the sinners deserving of his wrath.
---Eloy on 7/27/11


//"HOW MANY HAVE REJECTED CHRIST because CHRISTIANS DO NOT LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY?"//
Those who have rejected Christ, often make this claim.
But it's only because they have been looking in the wrong place for unconditional love,. Christians do not, and cannot provide such a thing. They may try to emulate Christ's love, but will ultimately fail because they are human.
The ONLY place anyone can find UNCONDITIONAL love is in Jesus.

Point people to HIM.
Even if they try to use "Christians" as an excuse for not believeing (and they often will), keep directing people to HIM alone.
Regardless of the failings they report of other Christians, point to Jesus. HE alone can meet their needs.
---Donna66 on 7/27/11


MARKV, a true story in response to your question, i witnessed someone cursing a fellow over a misunderstanding ending his curse with May CHRIST THROW YOU IN HELL, and MAY THE FIRE OF GOD CONSUME YOUR FAMILY... if someone would talk to that "cursed person" about The loving Jesus how would he react?
i know, because afterwards i tryed to explain that thi is not God's will and jesus is love
---andy3996 on 7/25/11


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strongax, I am a Christian from Christ Almighty, and Christ Almighty Commands me: "Judge righteous judgment. Here I send you forward as lambs among wolves. Receive Holy Ghost: Of whomever you all disregard one's sins, they are disregarded to them: of whomever you all regard, they are bound. Go all you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Here, I give to you power to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing will by any means hurt you. If anyone love me, the word of me this one will keep: and the Father of me will love him, and to him we will come, and our dwelling in him we will make." Jn.7:24+ Lk.10:3+ Jn.20:21-23+ Mk.16:15+ Lk.10:19+ Jn.14:23.
---Eloy on 7/25/11


CHRISTAN And yet they know how to use the name of Jesus as a curse word... you're telling me that haven't heard of the Holy Bible?...

about "educa-inet persons" in the world, only a minority has limited acces. YOUR I-WORLD stops in the west. only few here have the luxury of daily NETWORK. none would surf to an evangelisationwebsite because it is to expensive to waste money on a "diabolicalreligion" who does nothing else but cursing anyone else, as there is islamophobie in the west there is also Christophobie in the east
---andy3996 on 7/25/11


JohnUSA, or i used your name instead of someone elses, MY BAD.
TO CONTINUE: that is why i find ALSO these expensive worldwide satelite teleprogramms quite inadequate, the only way to convince a Muslim is by personally patiently lovingly reveal the TRUE CHRIST and prayerfully ask God to give him the "Pauline revelation" on the road to Damaske. Once they are aware that Christ ISSA is ALIVE they are willing to die for HIM, which most of them have to do.
don't ghet me wrong,killing someone in this case is considered grace. to a muslim its better to kill the body and hopefully save the soul, then to allow an apostate toperrish in hell!!! but then again todays lukewarm christianity cannot comprehend this mentality
---andy3996 on 7/25/11


andy, first, happy Monday. I read your question are statement to Christan and wanted to respond to it.
You said,

"HOW MANY HAVE REJECTED CHRIST because CHRISTIANS DO NOT LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY?"

The answer is none. And here is the reason why, all who are lost or lost because they rejected Christ. They cannot reject Christ anymore then they have already. Maybe what you meant was that many who are lost will not accept Christ because the Christian was unloving towards them. Because they cannot reject Christ more then they have already.
---Mark_V. on 7/25/11


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Isaiah 57:12 I will declare thy righteousness,and thy works, for they shall not profit thee

1 Corinthians 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity,it profiteth me nothing
---RICHARDC on 7/24/11


Eloy:

While it may be true that the guilty are not acquitted, who are YOU, personally, to accuse someone of being guilty in the first place?

Matthew 7:3-5 (also Luke 6:41-42):
"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye, and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
---StrongAxe on 7/24/11


Donna66, I'm not being condescendent in regards to what you said. I do believe God uses unbelievers for good. For as you know I am a believer in the Sovereignty of God that all things are of the will of God. Nothing happens outside the will of God. If things happened outside of His will, He would not be God, He would be a spectator and not Omnipotent. But Scripture tells us, that God is God, He does as He pleases, only as He pleases, always as He pleases, that His great concern is the accomplishments of His own pleasure and the promotion of His own Glory. So yes, unbelievers do good things, by the will of God. They might not acknowledge it came from God, and people might think they are works of his own, but all good things come from above.
---Mark_V. on 7/24/11


Andy, I have never attacked you. I don't even know you. I think you are getting me confused with some other John. God bless. :-)
---John.usa on 7/24/11


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strongax, the guilty are not acquitted: light always exposes darkness: truth always prevails, and always rightly judges the sinuous. The wrong will get right, or be left.
---Eloy on 7/24/11


Strongaxe, that is exactely what I said
Christan: HOW MANY HAVE REJECTED CHRIST because CHRISTIANS DO NOT LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY? one out of three abandonees i meet leave church because of the terror they find themself in
hate lies and slander are the PRIME TOOLS IN CHURCH. we all know that this is not the true church, but then again try to explain this to someone who accepted jesus on a reasonable exposition on Jesus , rather then a revelation of the LORD in Paul's style.
if one could always try to keep Christ focused we would stop to murder the babies in Christ
and MAYBE that's what Matthew 7:23 is all about in the first place
---andy3996 on 7/24/11


MarkV-- Forgive me. I shouldn't have directed my post to you. I was reacting more to the post of others before you who don't want to acknowledge that unbelievers can do anything worthwhile or even have good motives. A man doesn't need to be righteous in the sight of God to be used by God.

Pro. 13: 22 A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children: and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just
---Donna66 on 7/23/11


Eloy:

You told Mark_v. you post falsehood because there is still no light in you

Accusations of falsehood require (as do all accusations in the Bible), 2-3 witnesses. Yet rather than refuting statements that you disagree with by providing such witnesses, you instead waste precious space here by posting unsubstantiated accusations and slander with neither proof nor corroboration. Are we expected to take your word for it? If so, show us proof! Otherwise, how can you possibly expect anyone to take you seriously, either on this subject, or for that matter, any other?
---StrongAxe on 7/23/11


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"Maybe that is true in that small corner of the world you live, but where i live we frequently meet people who never heard about the TRUTH who is CHRIST." andy

Ya, right! And yet they know how to use the name of Jesus as a curse word rather than using the four-letter word. And I have heard Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and even "Christians" use Jesus name a curse word. And you're telling me that haven't heard of the Holy Bible? Do yourself a favor and remove your head out of the ground first.

With the internet, you are right that the world I live in is made smaller.
---christan on 7/23/11


StrongAxe, it baffles me that you are making a case for the philanthropists and works mongers by using the second commandment of "love thy neighbor".

What happened to "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment."

The Buddhist, Hindus, Muslims will tell you they "love their neighbors", but are they going to heaven? By your definition they are even they have failed to get past the "first and great commandment".

By Jesus Christ declaration, most definitely THEY ARE NOT! So, what ground is your house built on? The Rock or the sand?
---christan on 7/23/11


Donna66, I'm sorry if what I said seem to oppose your view, it wasn't my intend. I also applaud anyone who gives to the poor. Anyone, whether saved or not. We should have more Christians helping the poor. Or sacrificing themselves more for others. All that will be noticed by God. What I was talking about concerned salvation only. Even mother Teresa did a lot of great things for the poor, and I applaud her for it, the love of Christ showed in her works, but more important are those who preach the Truth of the Gospel to many, for those who preach the Truth, the Truth trouches many, and their reward will be in heaven. And of course there is Philanthropist who are saved, no question about that either. Peace I leave you
---Mark_V. on 7/23/11


andy3996:

Just because the Bible is available, and televangelists preach on the airwaves, it doesn't mean everyone has heard the gospel properly. For example, if you were a Native American, would you take seriously anything said by someone saying "Yes, we broke every promise we ever made to you, stole your land, and drove you onto living on reservations we wouldn't live on ourselves, but you really should follow our great God. We do!"? If I were in such a position, I would deduce that God was a lying cheating S.O.B. and want nothing to do with him. Many people reject the gospel before hearing it because of the way we present it. Can we blame them?
---StrongAxe on 7/22/11


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markv, you post falsehood because there is still no light in you.
---Eloy on 7/22/11


CHRISTAN SAID, andy, we live in a time where the Bible is the top seller. We're not in the 14 or 15 century of the dark ages anymore. It is not that the unbeliever have not heard of Jesus Christ but rather that he rejects that Jesus is God and that only by His atonement is a sinner made right with God. That's why they are,
Maybe that is true in that small corner of the world youlive, but where i live we frequently meet people who never heard about the TRUTH who is CHRIST. sorry to spring your bubble, but many Muslims in america never heard about the JESUS WE PREACH. same goes for Jews, pagans, budhists and communists. about 2/3 of this world population has never heard the true gospel
---andy3996 on 7/22/11


christan:

Jesus said that to love your neighbor as yourself is the second most important of the commandments. Do not disparage it lightly.

As I said earlier, yes, there are so-called philanthropists who do good works merely to earn themselves fame and glory and tax breaks. These are not "true" philanthropists, because they do these for selfish reasons, not because they love others.

But there are those who DO genuinely love others, and these are the kinds of people who Jesus is praising in Matthew 7.
---StrongAxe on 7/22/11


MarkV--I never said the good works of a non-Christian would count for anything with God! God requires faith.!
Some people who give are believers in the Lord Jesus, some are not...even philanthropists can be believers in Christ!
For a needy person, the dollar of a non-Christian buys just as much as one from a Christian. If not by faith, you may call it sin. But as a human being, I will applaud anybody who gives for the good of others.

Strongaxe-- Jesus did not say that ANYONE who so much as gave him a cup of water would have his reward. What He said was (Mar 9:41) For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
---Donna66 on 7/22/11


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Having witnessed for many years(six people day before yesterday received the Lord Jesus) and heard many explanations that make this statement by Christian so very true."It is not that the unbeliever have not heard of Jesus Christ but rather that he rejects that Jesus is God and that only by His atonement is a sinner made right with God. That's why they are, "...going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
---mima on 7/22/11


Nana, now you say to argue that "anything without faith is sin" you say'

"Oh, does that presuppose that love and hope are sin?"

No, Love and Hope is Christ. That is why love conquers. 1 Cor. 13 is refering to Christ who's nature is love. And without faith in that Love Scripture declares, "Though I speak with tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal". So faith in Christ is more important then moving a mountain if you could, for love does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the Truth for He is the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 7/22/11


StrongAxe, "lovers of men" is definitely not the entrance to heaven and on the Lord's Day, Christ is not speaking to these "lovers of men". Loving men BEFORE God is not the fruit of a Christian.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:36-40

Philanthropists only bring honor to themselves.
---christan on 7/22/11


"...what if an unbeliever someone who never heard about Jesus did all This??" andy3996

andy, we live in a time where the Bible is the top seller. We're not in the 14 or 15 century of the dark ages anymore. It is not that the unbeliever have not heard of Jesus Christ but rather that he rejects that Jesus is God and that only by His atonement is a sinner made right with God. That's why they are, "...going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."

Jesus instructed His disciples to go preach the Gospel for the remission of sin. Christ did not tell His disciples to become philanthropist and neither did He come to be a philanthropist.
---christan on 7/22/11


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A good and a wonderful thing is never a bad thing.

"For anything without faith is sin."

Oh, does that presuppose that love and hope are sin?
For they stand distinctly beside faith and even faith without them is
empty and dead:

1 Corintians 13:13 "And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."
---Nana on 7/22/11


Eloy, you have been preaching there is three kinds of people going to heaven for a long time but there is only one kind, those who are in Christ. Jesus said, "He is the way, the truth and the life" and also said, "no one comes to the Father but by Me"
There is no righteous people out there who are born righteous by nature. Nothing in the Bible concerning that. If they are righteous, it is self-righteous, for it is not the righteousness of Christ. If it was the righteousness of Christ they would be in Christ. "He who believes in Him is not condemned, "but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God"
---Mark_V. on 7/22/11


Donna66, while there have been many great man who did wonderful things, without faith in the works of Christ it is sin. For anything without faith is sin. I believe what happens is that people look at this subject from man's point of view. Not from God's. Since we know that everything good comes from above, and when man do good, others think it is enough to be worth something, but as Scripture says, in the eyes of God, no one is good, no not one, but He is speaking from His point of view, because without the righteousness of Christ they are self works. Failing to give God thanks, or the glory for giving them the good within them.
---Mark_V. on 7/21/11


One of the titles for our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ in Orthodoxy is PHILANTHROPOS--Lover of Mankind.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/11


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Nana, you are speaking that those who mentioned they did many things in Jesus name were believers, but you are wrong. What did the Lord say who they really were,
"And then I will declare to them, I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness" Matt. 7:23. You are saying the Lord is lying. First that He lied because He said He never knew them, if they were believers and Christ lived in them, He most certainly knew them, Second, you say Jesus lied when He said they practiced lawlessness, that it is not true at all, they were believers indwelled by the Spirit. Just nonesense.
---Mark_V. on 7/21/11


christian:

There are some people who are philanthropists (i.e. "lovers of man") because they truly love their bretheren. But unfortunately, many are philanthropists in name only, because they don't donate because they love others, rather because they want the associated fame or tax breaks. This is also true of true Christians, vs. people who merely call themselves Christians.

Jesus said that ANYONE who so much as gave him a cup of water would have his reward.

Jesus is not some vain insecure narcissistic prima donna who commands "Worship me or die!". Look through all his sayings. Can you find anything he said that was remotely like that?
---StrongAxe on 7/21/11


Three kinds of people go to heaven: the righteous by nature who never heard the gospel, the born-again Christian, and the backslider who repented or returned to the Lord. And three kinds of people who go to hell: the wicked by nature who never heard the gospel, the person who heard the gospel, but rejected it, and the backslider who never repented or returned to the Lord.
---Eloy on 7/21/11


Only a professed disciple/christian would repply, "in thy name" we did this or that, not an atheist or a person of another faith.
In the end all men will be judged equally by the abundance of their heart by which they had done any good or any bad:

2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
Colossians 3:25 "But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons."
---Nana on 7/21/11


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Christan, "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." James 1:27
thisis a good scripture, and what if an unbeliever someone who never heard about Jesus did all This??
---andy3996 on 7/21/11


Christan,
Actually FEW philanthropists make a big deal of their contributions. They are wealthy people who usually avoid the spotlight because of so many greedy (as well as deserving) people wanting their money.
Other people, even so-called Christians, who have only a few good deeds to their credit, may hunger for praise.

But "no such thing as a Christian who has no clue of what he or she is doing"? I've known many Christians who never grasp the impact of their many "small" acts of kindness and generosity... never give it a thought. They would be like those who said (Mat 25:37-38) Lord, when saw we thee hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in?
---Donna66 on 7/21/11


first ANY unbeliever is simply a gentile ...how they describe themselves or the labels they choose are pointless

TODAY is not the ONLY day for the gift of salvation as the false ministers of this gods world teach 2Corin 4:11, 4:4

we are to work out our own salvation ...nowhere does it claim or IMPLY we are to work out someone else's salvation

there are many people who called themselves christian who did great works and because they choose to follow mens traditions and NOT Christ His reply will be Matt 7:23 as well
---Rhonda on 7/21/11


StrongAxe, by your understanding of Matthew 7 & 25, you are telling me that even non-Christians or unbelievers will be going to heaven? Really? And you call yourself a Christian and you belief this in your heart? Goodness.

Let me tell you what Matthew 7 & 25 means: a Christian will never use good works to boast before the Lord because it's merely his Christian duty. James confirms this

"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." James 1:27

Do philanthropists and good works mongers do this? They make sure the world know of their works and scream from the top of the house-tops!
---christan on 7/21/11


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Matthew 25:33-46 is talking about those on the right (the sheep) been welcome by Jesus, blessed of the Father, were now inheriting the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world, and (v.35) describes what they did as Christians, gave Him food, clothed Him, gave Him drink, Jesus representing people the Christians helped in their life while in the faith. The people in Matt. 7:21-29 who did wonders, cast out demons in the name of Jesus were barren of faith, even though they did good works. The barreness of this faith demonstrates its real character (v.20) the faith that saves but does not do is really unbelief. Those describe who were rejected we are told in (v.23) "Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness"
---Mark_V. on 7/21/11


Part 2, The reason God created us was to give Him glory and honor. And the only way one can do that is by giving Him the thanks, honor and glory. Many kind people do a lot of things for others, that is a fact. But no matter how good their deeds are, without faith it is sin. "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men" Rom. 1:18, and goes to say that His invisible attributes are clearly seen, so they are without excuse, "Because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughs..." Everything they did was without faith in God so no thanks went His way, no honor or glory.
---Mark_V. on 7/21/11


Matthew 7 is but one chapter of a very long discourse Jesus had with the 'people' and his close 'disciples'.
The span is from about Matthew 4:25 through chapters 5, 6, and 7, ending at verse 29.
Matthew 25 surely addressed to the close 'disciples', yet the message is the same.
---Nana on 7/21/11


It is amusing that we have so many righteous, insightful people around here who just KNOW who's "saved" and who isn't. :-)
---John.usa on 7/20/11


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christan:

Jesus praises those on his right hand for feeding him when he was hungry, etc. They ask "when did we do this?" - because they DIDN'T KNOW THEY DID.

This means that either
1) They aren't Christians, or
2) They are Christians who are unaware of Matthew 7
(Either way, this underscore the fact that Jesus is more interested in action than in head knowledge).
---StrongAxe on 7/20/11


Love your insight Donna66! Amen!
---John on 7/20/11


John--
//DO THIS// (i.e. display the fruit of the spirit) //AND YOU WILL TRULY SHOW/SHARE CHRISTIANITY!//

True enough, if someone sees enough of you to notice these things over time. (And then, they must see that these characteristic are because of God...not because you are just a nice person).

We may get only a fleeting chance to speak to a "rich, atheist, philanthropist". I've known many un-believers who, though not rich, give of themselves unselfishly. They need to hear what's really most important to God.
---Donna66 on 7/20/11


StrongAxe, your explanation of Matthew 7:21-23 with Matthew 25:33-46 falls short of the truth. You say:

"Yes, there are many unbelievers who also do these things. And guess what? In this very chapter, Jesus rewards many who had no clue they were doing anything for Jesus at all - yet by acting compassionately, they get a reward anyway." Unbelievers going to heaven?

There's no such thing as a Christian who has no clue of what he or she is doing. The difference is the Christian knows the good works that is before them is a fruit merely confirming their salvation from the Spirit. Whereas the unbelievers do good works to be saved. Read Matthew 25 and you will see Jesus was talking to His sheep and not the goats.
---christan on 7/20/11


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GOOD works are great, and i believe that most "philnthrophists" do ghet their reward in this life. GOD is noones debtor, however when talking about receiving eternal life, we should be aware That Jesus is the way the truth and life.
---andy3996 on 7/20/11


I believe that most "philanthrophists" ghet their reward in this life. GOD is no debtor, however talking about receiving eternal life, we should be aware That Jesus is the way the truth and life. on the other hand this is ON QUOTE of Mahatma ghandi about US "If Christians would really live according to the teachings of Christ, as found in the Bible, all of India would be Christian today. and I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. SHOULDN'T we rather worry about our appearance towards the world? truth said many are lost because of the unchristian christians rather
---andy3996 on 7/20/11


Cluny - I would expect that response to me from you, considering you are NOT saved and are a self-righteous sinner, who believes the Word of God is NOT truth.
---Leslie on 7/20/11


StrongAxe,

Thanks for sharing such clear and well expounded observations. You've made my day.
---Nana on 7/20/11


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John:

The fruits of the spirit are what naturally flow from those who are filled with the spirit. They are not the "rewards" of spiritual living.

In contrast, in Matthew 7, Jesus was giving people rewards and punishments for their actions. In particular, for clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, etc.

Yes, there are many unbelievers who also do these things. And guess what? In this very chapter, Jesus rewards many who had no clue they were doing anything for Jesus at all - yet by acting compassionately, they get a reward anyway. (And conversely, many firmly believed they were on Jesus's Side, even doing many wonderful works in his name, yet were found lacking.)
---StrongAxe on 7/20/11


StrongAxe, thank you. You have stated what I believe better than I did. :-)
---John.usa on 7/20/11


John.usa:

If you read Jesus's sermon in Matthew 7, he is not preaching theology. He is preaching action. When he speaks of the final judgment, he doesn't judge people based on what they know (i.e. their theology), but rather on what they do, and how they love others. There are many who believe they "deserve" a reward because of their great knowledge and "works", yet he holds those in contempt. There were also many who did not believe they deserved a reward, but got one. Smug Christians would no doubt accuse such people of bad theology - i.e. not being assured of their own salvation. Yet they get saved despite such ignorance.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/11


I should include this in my "Christians Are Ignorant" series.

Most Christians believe that doing good things Like Helping an Old Lady with her car or mow a disable persons lawn are producing fruits! Ignorance!!!

NOTE THE PARADOX:

Godless Liberals do the same!
Hindus do the same!
Government does the same!

CONFUSED???

You should be, because NONE of these are fruits of G-d!

1) Jesus said..You can do "NOTHING" without me.

2) Now here are the Fruits...

Gal5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness , faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

DO THIS AND YOU WILL TRULY SHOW/SHARE CHRISTIANITY!
---John on 7/20/11


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The blog question is a quote made by a fellow Chistian in another blog.
He was saying that besides well doing, faith was needed as both Paul and James said.
Please note that the query is "What would you say OF an unbeliever who..."
As he concluded with Matt 7:23 I tought that that verse do not apply to the atheist
portrayed but to those who say they are or were disciples or christians, "... in thy
name...".

I like Cluny's and John.usa comments.
---Nana on 7/20/11


//Be uplifting of his work as analogy of God's work.//
---Scott on 7/19/11
Good approach, Scott!.

You MUST first reconize his acts of charity and goodwill. Otherwise, he may not even listen to you, but keep bringing up the good works he does.
And the philanthropist deserves credit for what he does (Unless you are one who believes that the State should be responsible for everybody).

But He needs to understand that God is more interested in him than the good things he does.
---Donna66 on 7/19/11


\\I would go through the 10 Commandments to show them their sins\\

Leslie, would you like me to go through the Decalogue to show you your sins?

I'm sure that there are many here who would gladly lend a hand.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/11


The underlying question is: Is God more interested in people's behavior or in people's theology. You decide.
---John.usa on 7/19/11


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I would go through the 10 Commandments to show them their sins. Then I would show the scriptures that say that "no one is good, and all have sinned" (Romans 3:10-18,23), and "our good works are like filthy rags" (Isaiah 64:6). Their own conscience will confirm and convict them.
---Leslie on 7/19/11


Remember that Jesus will also reply to those who knew Him but did NOT do His will: Matthew 25:41, 15.

Romans discusses the matter of those who do the will of God without knowing Him. It says that they will be judged by the law of God written in their hearts that they followed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/11


One can't buy,borrow,or steal salvation but they can have it if they are willing to believe in Christ and repent of their sins. Without repentance there is no forgiveness and no matter what a person does they can't have it any other way. Matthew 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life,and only a few find it. Goodness can never be counted as Godliness.
---Darlene_1 on 7/19/11


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