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Does anyone ever have a mind changing experience here or simply defend their brand of doctrine.

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Hi John
Listen man, I was in the blog next to this one.
And were trying to have a nice quiet talk about Christ.
When, we heard all the yelling in here.
So please can you can, keep it down in here.
Im sure! God sent Christ here because he loves them.
I know thats not an easy thing to see. Right now, but its true.
So please! If you can, just a notch or two. Thanks!
---TheSeg on 7/24/11


John USA, in attacking us about not sticking to the truth my question is WHO'S TRUTH, Yours probably... truth is every doctrinal statement is frased by men who at the end Label Christ's name upon it.
when jesus said the truth will set you free HE meant the truth of GUILT AND SALVATION, all the rest consider it well live by it well and MOREOVER LIVE A REPENTED LIFE thats the whole truth. PS I FOLLOW 90 percent of the pentecostal doctrines
---andy3996 on 7/24/11


John:

Perhaps people aren't taking your posts seriously because you mention several of your own pet peeves (such as pre-trib rapture, infant baptism, Christmas, Easter, etc.) that many Christians believe in, and just declare them Apostate, without giving any reason why, and much in upper case (which is like screaming on the internet). And when nobody answers, you just scream the same things louder and call them Apostates.

For me, at least, none of these are "sacred cows". However, I don't know how to reply to such comments in a useful manner, and I suppose many others don't either.
---StrongAxe on 7/24/11


REALLY are you sure that this is not a missunderstanding by you?
Look atwhat paul wrote aout the law of God:
---francis on 7/23/11

Francis

Maybe you misunderstood, for this was Paul's counsel on the Law of God.

Ga 2:16 "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

We are under Grace not under the Law, it is good for doctrine but impossible through the weakness of the flesh to keep it.

Paul
---paul on 7/24/11


2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

I plan to abide in the doctrine of Christ, and by doing so....

1 Timothy 4:6
If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/11




It is always amazing to see those who are blind to the truth.
They are often in denial and will avoid the Elephant in the livingroom.

NOTE:

How all of you APOSTATES will not address this Beast in your hearts and just go on posting as if you didn"t see my posts!

NOT A ONE OF YOU APOSTATES COULD DEFEND YOUR SACRED MANMADE COWS.

PERHAPS YOU CAN ON JUDGEMNET DAY!!!
---John on 7/23/11


To answer the blog question, no, I have had no mind-changing experience here, but I'm not alone in that, and yes, I'm just here to defend my brand of doctrine, just like just about everyone else here. :-)
---John.usa on 7/23/11


Francis

It is new my friend, from thou shalt not commit adultery to if you look with lust you have already committed it, Jesus was teaching the difference.

And that was mearly one of countless examples.

Jesus said He came to fulfill the law.

Paul said where sin/law did abound that grace does much more abound.

If you desire to be in a legalistic church that is fine, but don't claim that churches which are under the covenant of grace are false churches.

Paul
---paul on 7/23/11


Francis,

that is very true! Jesus only emphasized the wickedness within not just outward, God looks upon the heart.

Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but inside are full of the bones of the dead and of everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you look righteous to people, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness--Matt. 23:27,28


I haven't yet had a mind changing experience but I have heard some interesting thoughts to be considered and examined.
---willa5568 on 7/23/11


It is interesting that Paul came to the opposite conclusion.---Bruce5656 on 7/22/11
REALLY are you sure that this is not a missunderstanding by you?
Look atwhat paul wrote aout the law of God:
1 Corinthians 8:4 that there is none other God but one.
1 Corinthians 10:14 flee from idolatry.
1 Timothy 6:1 that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,
Ephesians 4:28 steal no more:
i could go on

28 "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her.
---paul on 7/22/11
Nothing new paul: Job 31:1 I made a covenant with mine eyes, why then should I think upon a maid?
---francis on 7/23/11




-StrongAxe on 7/22/11
That is indeed a good question.
ANSWER: Because they are ALL the word of God all 613 laws must be taught, and in some churches in time all will be taught.
EXAMPLE: There is a law that says how many times a year the high priest can enter the Most Holy place, If you know the answer, it means that you have been taught that law. You may also have been taught how this law was fulfilled.
EXAMPLE: There is a law that says " thou shall not steal" you have been taught that law, and you purpose in your heart not to steal.
CONCLUSION: Some laws are given as the ministration of the earthly sanctuary and have their fulfilment in Jesus, other laws point out what sin is, and serve to tell us what sin is.
---francis on 7/23/11


Lee/Leej/Leeonia, I believe you are attempting to put words in Francis' mouth.

He wrote "Any church/ denomination that does not teach and keep ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS is a false church.'

But you write "...that those denominations that believe obedience to law justifies the sinner instead of God's grace is a false religion."

Now Francis did not say salvation comes from the Obedience of the 10 Commandments, did He?

Maybe He believes that, and can tell us if that is so. But you have misrepresented what He wrote.

I am sure if any church promotes a life of rejection of the 10 Commandments then it surely is a false church. Not so?

What will be the next iteration of your name? Leep maybe?
---Warwick on 7/23/11


---Bruce5656 on 7/22/11
The ONLY law mentioned in galation which did not have to be followed was CIRCUMCISION. If you find another post it.

WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THESE TWO SCRIPTURES?
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ,...for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
---francis on 7/23/11


Any teaching that shows a change is the laws or doctrines of the OT is a false church.
---francis on 7/22/11

Mt 5:21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.'
22 "But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.'
28 "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her.

?
---paul on 7/22/11


Francis,

It is interesting that Paul came to the opposite conclusion. He taught that those who insisted that the OT laws (civil, dietary etc) had to be followed were the false teachers.

This is the theme of Galations.
---Bruce5656 on 7/22/11


\\Any church/ denomination that does not teach and keep ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS is a false church.\\

But there are NOT 10 Commandments.

There are 613.

Why do you pick and choose which of God's commandments you observe, francis?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/22/11


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jerry6593--- I agree with you on many things, too. And I consider you a brother in Christ.

//until Jesus comes and settles all the disagreements.//
HE's really got His work cut out for Him, doesn't He!
---Donna66 on 7/22/11


francis:

Why should a church teach the Ten Commandments and not the other 613 Old Testament laws? We are no longer under the old covenant.


paul:

Unfortunately, much of the most visible Christian hypocrisy does not come from "babes in Christ", but from seasoned and popular Christian leaders (like televangelists).

When outsiders see us behaving badly, they do not check our credentials to see whether we're immature and give us a pass if we are. They judge the whole by each of its parts.

If one goes to a restaurant and is served a bad meal, one will likely not eat there again - and one usually doesn't ask whether it's because the cook is new, or was having a bad day.
---StrongAxe on 7/22/11


francis //Any church/ denomination that does not teach and keep ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS is a false church.

I came to the conclusion by studying the Bible for over 50 years that those denominations that believe obedience to law justifies the sinner instead of God's grace is a false religion.

It is doubtful that you have Jesus as your Savior since you truly believe your savior is simply obedience to law.
---leej on 7/22/11


\\I think most of the "bad press" Christians get is because their behavior is inconsistent with their stated beliefs (i.e. hypocrisy).\\
---StrongAxe on 7/22/11

That statement is what leads to bad press. You are contrasting behavior against beliefs, which must mean that you think they are synonymous. now if one believes that going to heaven is based on works, and claims to be going to heaven, and then is found to be a scoundrel, that is justified bad press.

But if one belives justification comes by faith, apart from works, and speaks that to others, how can they say anything about his behavior? There would be no room for it.
---James_L on 7/22/11


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From another thread regarding the bending of sedimentary rock at the Kaibab Upwarp. This was not hot rock.

Sedimentary rock can be melted and deformed. However if this occurs it is no longer sedimentary rock but metamorphic rock. However these rock layers are still sedimentary rock, bent 90 degrees, without cracking.

In the evolutionary/long-ages story these rock layers are said to have been deposited from 550 to 250 million years ago. The bending without cracking shows this idea to be false.

This is solid evidence they were all deposited quickly and bent as one, before they hardened.

This contradicts the evolutionary/long-ages story but fits well within Biblical history.
---Warwick on 7/23/11


And how did you fall into that pit you are in?
---leej on 7/22/11

I actually studied thebible, and " denominational doctrines" for five years
ANd my conclusion was this:
Any church/ denomination that does not teach and keep ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS is a false church.
Any teaching that shows a change is the laws or doctrines of the OT is a false church.
---francis on 7/22/11


StrongAxe: Yes, Jesus did shout at the Pharisees. Let us be careful that we do not also speak out against things (sins) that we may also be doing.

It is possible for anyone, I, you or anyone, to do just that.

We must all be careful!
---Peter on 7/22/11


I think most of the "bad press" Christians get is because their behavior is inconsistent with their stated beliefs (i.e. hypocrisy).
---StrongAxe on 7/22/11


I agree, but these are the fruits of an immature Christian that's not grounded and rooted or mature in their own beliefs.

Paul
---paul on 7/22/11


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francis//Few people have actually studied what their church / denomination teaches BEFORE they joined their church. They were either born into it, married into it, or got into it by one sided bible studies.

And how did you fall into that pit you are in?

Having been raised to tolerate other religious viewpoints including those of SDAs, Roman Catholics, etc. I have learned that those who put their trust in Jesus rather than religion are the ones that God has blessed.

Yes, upon abiding in Christ and studying His word, I have changed my doctrinal views as denominationalism does not stop one from accepting Christ.
---leej on 7/22/11


Legends challenges me to consider possibilities other than my present perspective. I love his posts.
---Linda on 7/22/11


paul:

You said: the body of Christ has a bad wrap because of immature Christians

I think most of the "bad press" Christians get is because their behavior is inconsistent with their stated beliefs (i.e. hypocrisy).

Christians of one denomination constantly argue with Christians of another about petty doctrinal issues, diverting energy from doing the things Jesus said REALLY mattered.

Christian preachers scream very loudly against certain behaviors - and are then themselves caught in private indulging in those very same behaviors.

Jesus occasionally yelled at people, but the only ones he yelled at frequently were Pharisees, who were hypocrites because they did both of the above.
---StrongAxe on 7/22/11


I have not changed my docrinal beliefs, but I have have understood better how some people have come to believe what they believe.

My conclusion is this: Few people have actually studied what their church / denomination teaches BEFORE they joined their church. They were either born into it, married into it, or got into it by one sided bible studies. They get into the church and spend a lifetime defending teachings which are not biblical simple because THIS IS WHAT THEY BELIEVE

In general this site has helped me understand what others believe, and what verses they use to defend it.
---francis on 7/22/11


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Trav:

Yes. ..... but when others show them they are wrong (with proof), instead of accepting this, they refuse to hear the proof, and instead claim they are being persecuted or harrassed. Once they do that, there is little one can do.
---StrongAxe on 7/22/11

All as it is supposed to be.

I/we all complicate or misunderstand/misread the process sometimes.

Isaiah 32:3
And the eyes of them that see shall not be dim, the ears of them that hear shall hearken.
Isaiah 43:8
Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, the deaf that have ears.
Matthew 10:14
Whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
---Trav on 7/22/11


"What you do is not defending but being obnoxious, the body of Christ has a bad wrap because of immature Christians." paul

And that's your opinion.
---christan on 7/22/11


Id say it's more of a common consensus.
Why do you have to get personal about issues?
Were here to discuss topics, when an individual becomes the topic emotions run high and God receives no glory.

Paul
---paul on 7/22/11


"What you do is not defending but being obnoxious, the body of Christ has a bad wrap because of immature Christians." paul

And that's your opinion.
---christan on 7/22/11


Trav:

Yes. Unfortunately, here (just as anywhere else) there are people who have "pet beliefs" for which they can provide no proof or corrobration, but when others show them they are wrong (with proof), instead of accepting this, they refuse to hear the proof, and instead claim they are being persecuted or harrassed. Once they do that, there is little one can do.
---StrongAxe on 7/22/11


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Donna: It doesn't bother me that we don't agree on the meaning of "if". I have disagreed with your position a few times before, but I agree most of the time. (See comments addressed to Leslie below.) We can all still be respectful until Jesus comes and settles all the disagreements.
---jerry6593 on 7/22/11


I challenge your doctrines with Scriptures that contradicts, and you say, "What I'm saying is you are not challenging you are disrespectful." Disrespectful? You challenge others, do we call you disrespectful?
christan on 7/21/11


You presented no scriptures to contradict me, you simply in a condescending way accused me of wrong doing. And cnet probably dont appreciate you saying we, thus indicating that the entire community is with you.

I strongly defend my belief and you accuse me of being "condescending" just because I disagree with you?
christan on 7/21/11

What you do is not defending but being obnoxious, the body of Christ has a bad wrap because of immature Christians
---paul on 7/21/11


Our Apostle Paul reveals to us that the Bible is divided into three distinct eras.
Eph. 2 "times past" "but now" and "ages to come" It's not hard to understand where we are now, and what doctrine we should be following.
---michael_e on 7/21/11


Are these the Elephants(AKA: Heresies) in your living room you refuse to see???

PRE-TRIB
CHRISTMAS
EASTER
INFANT BAPTISM.....


Which one is yours?
---John on 7/21/11


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Trav:

I have often quoted that all truth should be established by two or three witnesses.
When I state dogma, I usually provide such proof. Otherwise it is just my opinion.

Some believe things so strongly, they cannot acknowledge they MAY be wrong, even when shown strong evidence.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/11

If your "Strong" evidence is scriptures by the Prophets,Apostles,Christ....then the onus is on them.

Sure we care about them....but, GOD does the calling,choosing.

Some without providing witnesses seem to just feel a need to dominate with antagonism, man made title,unproven theories,grey basis doctrine....have you noticed?
So what. Find a sheep...they eat and bleet.
---Trav on 7/21/11


Jerry--- Somewhat beside the point, but the other blog was closed. I doesn't matter to me what your doctrine is about the "elect" (the jury is still out on this as far as I'm concerned)
But, the phrase "if it were possible" means "it isn't possible at all". You'll have to use grounds other than grammer to dispute the following:

Mar 13:22b...to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
---Donna66 on 7/21/11


Truly, truly, no one here was alive 2,000 years ago (not everything written in scripture should be applied to the "TRUE worshiper"), yet believers have bound themselves to every word that was said to and meant for ancient, primitive, crude, and uncivilized peoples who had slaves.

WE (modern people) do not have slaves, superstitions and idols, yet we believe that we should have the same beliefs/doctrines that Jesus decided was appropriate for those ancient societies. Jesus was very smart and realized that they had to learn to be CIVILIZED first before they could learn to be Godly.

Paul decided to know no spiritual wisdom EXCEPT "Christ and Him crucified" (the salvation gospel "doctrine of Christ").
---more_excellent_way on 7/21/11


paul, know what's a hypocrite? Let me demonstrate.

I challenge your doctrines with Scriptures that contradicts, and you say, "What I'm saying is you are not challenging you are disrespectful." Disrespectful? You challenge others, do we call you disrespectful?

A hypocrite will say, "You go out of your way to be condescending and facetious, their is nothing wrong with strongly defending your beliefs." I strongly defend my belief and you accuse me of being "condescending" just because I disagree with you?

After sticking the knife in, you dare say, "I'll start, If I have offend you personally I apologize."

In truth, you don't mean a single word of it, hypocrite.
---christan on 7/21/11


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I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Mat_24:2
If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
---TheSeg on 7/21/11


Leslie "The more important question is not whether you changed your doctrine, but have you lined your beliefs, doctrines, theologies, teachings, and traditions up with God's Word, .... MOST people on Christianet are more interested in God lining up with them and their beliefs, and NOT them comming in line with God and His Word."

Once again, you win the prize for profundity! I firmly believe that there are many flavors of error, but only one truth. It is that truth alone that we all should strive for, the one upon which we will all agree when Christ returns to take us home.
---jerry6593 on 7/21/11


more_excellent_way: "The ONLY doctrine we need retain is the salvation gospel ("doctrine of Christ", 2 John verse 9)."

All of God's word must be retained. Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine, for these are the commands from the beginning. Christians must keep the commandments without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ. Here is the patience of the saints who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Blessed are they that DO his commandments not only become hearers of the word like they do in worldly denominational churches.
---Steveng on 7/20/11


Ruben: "How do you determine that 'your interpretation of scripture' is correct?"

If a person only read the bible and meditated upon it without the need for concordances, author's opiniated books, christian dictionaries, novels, etc. whould you think that he is well gounded on the word of God? In fact, if Jesus were on these blogs, he would get flamed for his "opinions." Another fact is that most christians would mock the two endtime prophets mentioned in the Revelation of John because they did not conform to their worldly denominational doctrines.
---Steveng on 7/20/11


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Leaving a false cult after 22 years, took much "changing" of my core beliefs and made me extremely sceptical of all religions!
I did (and still do)a study of most denominations Catholic,LDS, SDA,Judaism,Evangelical etc.
The basic belief in Christ, my saviour, has not changed,but over 20 centuries of time, has changed the human psyche!
There are still stiff-necked fanatics like Captains willing to "go down with the ship"
---1st_cliff on 7/20/11


Trav:

I have often quoted that all truth should be established by two or three witnesses. This principle is mentioned many times in both old and new testaments.

With Biblical doctrine, evidence is from scripture. Sometimes one verse suffices, but not always, as it can be dangerous to base an important doctrine on a phrase said in passing or one ambiguous word (for example, the Mormons' "baptism for the dead"). When I state dogma, I usually provide such proof. Otherwise it is just my opinion.

Some believe things so strongly, they cannot acknowledge they MAY be wrong, even when shown strong evidence. Like Pharisees who couldn't see the Son of God when he was staring them in the face, they are deluded and unteachable.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/11


You continually make the same false statements over and over and over again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/11

Hmmm? I gather I stab your "Sacred" Cows.

1) INFANT BAPTISM
2) CHRISTMAS
3) EASTER(A duck you cover with a look alike name Pasche, but it still quacks like a duck laying an Easter Egg)

AND FYI CLUNY.....

CHRIST IS STILL RISEN!!!
(Though it seems you forgot)
---John on 7/20/11


Christian

When have I hit you below the belt?

What I'm saying is you are not challenging you are disrespectful.

It is obvious with others response to you that you do not represent Christ in your attitude.

You go out of your way to be condescending and facetious, their is nothing wrong with strongly defending your beliefs.

But their is something wrong with being a smarty pants.

I dont know what has went wrong in your life that causes this in you bit I will be praying for complete restoration for you.

If you have called upon the name of Jesus you are my sister and yep I'm your brother so why don't we act like it.

I'll start, If I have offend you personally I apologize.

Paul
---paul on 7/20/11


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//The ONLY doctrine we need retain is the salvation gospel ("doctrine of Christ", 2 John verse 9).//

Which was revealed to our apostle Paul 1 Cor 15:1-4
---michael_e on 7/20/11


yes, I don't give my tithe anymore to succeed like the pastors or pat robertson or mike murdoch says.
I work & plan to sharpen my skills.
about self confidence, christianity says it is a sin? if it is a sin, then christianity is a RELIGION bec. it eliminated the person that is an important ingredient in a relationship & we are a bunch of robots unable to stand up for our decisions.that is why people died in jamestown unable to BE a PERSON just told what to do in the name of christianity. even christ believed in healing on a sabbath unafraid of what the pastors would say.
---mike on 7/20/11


We shouldn't let there be any difference between "MIND" and "HEART" changing experiences. The "mind" is formed by the brain and "heart".

Jeremiah 31:33
"no longer shall each man teach his neighbor....." (no more partisan 'WORSHIP TYPE obey').

Worship/devotion and obedience are now the EXACT SAME THING as each other (INTEGRAL, they are ONE THING).

"WRITTEN" (not in a book), but "ON THEIR HEARTS".....(WITHIN, "mind changing").

Romans 12:2 "but be transformed by the renewal of your mind".

The ONLY doctrine we need retain is the salvation gospel ("doctrine of Christ", 2 John verse 9).
---more_excellent_way on 7/20/11


paul, did I say what I asked of you was from God? I think not. I merely pointed the question you posted and asked you the same. It's okay for us to discuss doctrinal difference with Scriptural backings to support our understanding. But when you punch someone below the belt, you had better be ready to receive the same treatment.

However, I am not advocating revenge at all but rather for you to be ready for others to disagree with your opinions as you do with others. And when you say, "You truly do have a poor attitude, judgmental and critical. That is not of God, so where is it from?" Are you telling us you are any better than this "judgmental view" of yours on others?

So, grow up.
---christan on 7/20/11


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\\They will defend their Heretical and Apostate doctrines. Even against the Throne and Face of G-d Himself. \\

A good example is you, yourself, John.

You continually make the same false statements over and over and over again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/11


The more important question is not whether you changed your doctrine, but have you lined your beliefs, doctrines, theologies, teachings, and traditions up with God's Word, NOT line God's Word up with those things as MOST of the people on Christianet do. MOST people on Christianet are more interested in God lining up with them and their beliefs, and NOT them comming in line with God and His Word.
---Leslie on 7/20/11


I know many will object to this statement, but I think that unless we have acquired "All Knowledge", we should constantly be learning and in effect, constantly be changing our doctrine.

Does that mean we will lose our "firm foundation"? No. We should have an understanding of the "essentials" of our faith. We should know and be able to say why we place faith in God and Christ.

But we should be constantly SEEKING more of God, more of Christ, and more of ourselves. We should never be standing still in our faith.

I once heard that Walking in Christ is like climbing a greased pole. You are either climbing or sliding back but you are never standing still.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/20/11


Jesus says He is "the truth", in John 14:6, and "the Spirit is truth," John says in 1 John 5:6. So, the real truth is not only correct words of beliefs. Doctrinal arguing, then, can decoy us away from finding out how to relate with and submit personally to God (James 4:7) and how to love any and all people. How to be with God (1 Peter 3:4), how He has us love (Matthew 5:46, Ephesians 4:31-52) . . . this has more to do with truth than just words can tell. "And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls, though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved." (2 Corinthians 12:15)
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/20/11


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Facts placed in their very faces will not deter these Blind and Deaf Apostates or they would have repented and G-d would heal them.

HERE'S SOME..

PRE-TRIB
INFANT BAPTISM
CHRISTMAS
EASTER.....
(now which is your sacred "Golden" cow?)



---John on 7/20/11


John,

How do you determine that 'your interpretation of scripture' is correct?
---Ruben on 7/20/11


When I checked out that evidence, I discovered that my beliefs in that area were, indeed, incorrect.

I am glad when that happens, because it means one less error in my thinking.

Thus, in any areas where they ARE wrong, they remain deluded and uncorrectable.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/11

This was an interesting post, you require sustaining evidence...to correct yourself and your error in thinking.
We all should require witnesses.
But, then U call others deluded,wrong and uncorrectable.
Surely you are talking about after you've supplied 2+ evidences so they have the same evidence/witnesses as yourself....right?
Matthew 18:16
....in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
---Trav on 7/20/11


christian

You truly do have a poor attitude, judgmental and critical.

That is not of God, so where is it from?
---paul on 7/20/11


john, you make your own statement. I am sound in my doctrine no matter what anyone says. Jesus is coming back and take His own from the grave first...all others will be in the great tribulation. Thank God for Easter...I can celebrate the arisen Saviour. I celebrate christmas as our Saviours birth even tho He may not have been born that day. Secularism has turned it into a day of greed and "I wants." Secularism has taken over everything that is suppose to be holy. Marriage, chaste living, soberness...now men can marry men, and girls and guys just date and are in the sack right away without even thinking of the risk. Drugs are rampant and a liquor store on every corner. cont......
---shira3877 on 7/20/11


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The difference between "mind changing" and "heart changing" is hard to define. Salvation is about Love, but also about Belief (John 3:16). I try to bring my heart to this website, and to look for heart-related matters, so that I will never feel superior. My heart has not changed.
---Geraldine on 7/20/11


//James_L on 7/20/11 I have been persuaded, and have re-worked my "doctrines" a few times, but not here.//

My sentiments exactly, I see some of the same comments on here today, that I would have made forty years ago, when I was ignorant of "right division".
---michael_e on 7/20/11


You know, what one of the good things about this site is.
People from all over the world can come here!
When they feel alone, afraid, looking for answer.

I have to say when I first came to this site.
I felt alone in my beliefs!
As if, I didnt know anything at all, about God.

But, after talking to some of the brothers and sisters, here.
They have made me see, I am, clearly not alone.
Why, even the ones, who should be alone, are not alone!

But, as I believe!
There is one thing, I feel, we all should know!
Now, you know in your hearts.
I dont have to tell you, what that is!
Because, you all ready know it.
God Bless
---TheSeg on 7/20/11


The Athenians of Acts chapter 17 (a very meaningful chapter) were very Godly by nature/behavior/thought, they simply didn't know the identity of the creator of nature.

Since they were not "partisan" (didn't conform to rules/protocol, Philippians 1:17), they had no doctrines or books that forced them to do what was right, they only had "mind changing experiences" that would motivate their own spirit to be similar to the 'DIVINE' (in other words, they were not "men of violence").

Matthew 11:12
"men of violence take it by force".

God's will is that we should now no longer need the book of doctrines and "force" the kingdom into our hearts (be like an Athenian).
---more_excellent_way on 7/20/11


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Through this question and the comments it elicited, an honest person should conclude that all of us need to have a moment by patient moment dose of humility and tolerance. For human beings, by their very nature is limited in all aspects and must therefore recognize themselves, first and foremost, as Learners.

It is difficult to see any larger purpose for human existence than to learn of God, The Creator of the universe and about His creation.

And in fulfilling that Prime Purpose, we must ever be patiently humble, moment by moment.
---Allan on 7/20/11


They will defend their Heretical and Apostate doctrines. Even against the Throne and Face of G-d Himself.

Even knowing their fate is sealed and judgement has fallen upon them!

But as the Lord said..
A time will come when they will want to hear what tickles their ears and again....They will preach the Traditions of Men as doctrines of G-d.

Facts placed in their very faces will not deter these Blind and Deaf Apostates or they would have repented and G-d would heal them.

HERE'S SOME..

PRE-TRIB
INFANT BAPTISM
CHRISTMAS
EASTER.....
(now which is your sacred "Golden" cow?)


---John on 7/20/11


I'm here to save the day
*kidding*


I think most here, including me, are immune to the same old arguments thrown around by those with opposing views.

I have been persuaded, and have re-worked my "doctrines" a few times, but not here.

One reason is the format. It's so hard to make a quality argument on some issues with 125 word snippits. And just as a discussion gets good, Poof !! 75 entries from 12 people have claimed all the space and you have to start over again next week.

Some issues can be covered with less paper, but they are usually minor
---James_L on 7/20/11


There have been several times when I have read something here that challenged my pre-concieved beliefs, and provided evidence (rather than just hearsay or opinions). When I checked out that evidence, I discovered that my beliefs in that area were, indeed, incorrect.

I am glad when that happens, because it means one less error in my thinking. Unfortunately, all too many here are so convinced they possess The Full Truth, they can't even concieve that they might have some opinions that are incorrect. Thus, in any areas where they ARE wrong, they remain deluded and uncorrectable.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/11


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Are you speaking for yourself?
---christan on 7/20/11


paul, it is up to you to shine the light. Is it up to you (or anyone else here) to make people see?
---aka on 7/20/11


I think that if i am obedient to Christ I will be renewing my mind daily. I seek to have the mind of Christ, that He may increase and I decrease, more of the fullness of Him. So, in answer to the question, yes. Any doctrine of "mine", would be based in pride. I don't adhere to a particular doctrine, simply the Word of God. Previously held beliefs, from various doctrines, have proven to be false, I can only put my trust in God, that He will lead into all truth. I question a lot of things here, not thinking one or another is right or wrong, but what is the truth?
---chria9396 on 7/20/11


Cluny
I appreciate you pointing me out, I wouldnt do that but if you must I ll take it.

And certainly I , as all, am guilty, but I have learned to be more open minded and tolerant of my brothers and sisters.

Thank God for them all.

Paul
---paul on 7/20/11


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Paul, I have not change anything that I believed in since I started here. What it has done for me is made me stronger in my faith, since answering questions allow us to search Scripture more then ever before. What I find more important is that God's nature, character and attributes never change. knowing I cannot change anyone's heart, that only God can, so all my responsibility is pray and ask God to help me learn, to study hard, and present the Truth. If something I say is not truth, then God cannot use it for His own glory. "So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth, It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, and it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it" (Isa. 55:11).
---Mark_V. on 7/20/11


\\It seems for the most part that many dont feel they need to change or exhibit a teachable spirit.

They feel their ideology is the absolute doctrine of God and when they post it is in a here I come to save the day manner as opposed to being willing to consider maybe their wrong and should heed.\\

These words can never be said about you, can they, paul?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/11


Ha! Nobody is going to say "I think I need to change my doctrine...tell we what to believe"!

I've seriously re-thought my doctrine by reading here. I haven't made any major changes. I keep coming up with the same answers I did before. BUT trying to understand the beliefs of others has made me a bit less dogmatic in some areas.

Even those I disagree with, make some good points at times.
---Donna66 on 7/19/11


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