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By His Stripes We Are Healed

What does "By His Stripes we are healed" mean to you? Why aren't Christians healed and walk around with wounds deep down inside of them? Your thoughts on this?

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---andy3996 on 7/29/11

andy, thanks for your answers. I'm sorry I brought it up, but I didn't think it was a proper thing to ask. So many claiming to know someone's salvation around here. So many heretical answers lately also on line that every blog is an attack on the deity of Christ. I'm sorry to have answered Willa here on this perticular blog.
I love you Andy, and am glad you belong to the body of Christ.

Mark E. I'm so sorry to hear about your son. I have no clue what you and your family are going through. My prayers are for you and your family. I didn't see you on line for a while, and maybe that was why. peace I leave you brother.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/11

yeah leslie, that is true as long as you focus upon the sometimes.
we are natural beings (our body)and part of a natural eco-system, original sin put this world in a state of condemnation, which will not seize until the new earthrev 21.
we can all catch diseases because the world is rotten. original sin is also the main reason why most diseases continue to develop and increase. they are "what i call the natural demons of fallen creation. which needs to be dealt with naturally. and spiritually, i believe God can do it all,even in the natural atmosphere, yet i also accept 2 cor12:6-10.
---andy3996 on 7/29/11

Christ can heal anyone for any disease. Sometimes why we do not get healed is because of unrepented of sins or unforgiveness in our lives.
---Leslie on 7/28/11

Leslie--- What if your disease isn't one of the "39 major diseases"? Can Christ still heal you?
---Donna66 on 7/28/11

MARK Eaton also i would like to congratulate you, to share a pain in such a way, is harsh, and indeed faith ghets shaken in these times, i give great honour to Christ that indeed you have kept the faith, and as i said before, since there was faith in Christ, your son is now in a far better place, and one day we all will meet and rejoice toghether with him before HIS throne. and maybe some amongst us will feel ashamed
---andy3996 on 7/28/11


I know Jesus is the only begotten, but not begotten and eternal God which is a contradiction. His letters are more of admonitions of how we know who are children of God and how we know those who aren't including those who teach contrary to what he has said.
---willa5568 on 7/27/11

My love to you brother!
---willa5568 on 7/26/11

Thank you. I did not repeat my son's story for sympathy, but thank you for it anyway.

I repeated my son's story for those who believe healing has been guaranteed to us by the stripes on Christ's back. Many believe this. Also, many have lost their faith as they watch the one for whom they are praying, slip away in death.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/27/11

Alan, God said, not I,

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousnessof men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness" God does not make them sin, they sin because they love to sin.
"Because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are cleary seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened."
---Mark_V. on 7/27/11

Willa, you opened a can of worms. If I go by your standard as you understand that passage, then to me you are not saved. Why? Because all your post speak against the only Begotten Son. So by your standards you are not saved, for I know you by your works.
How can I know your heart? No possible way. Did you even read the whole context of 1 John 3:10? The passages by John ( v. 10-24 ) were said because false teachers not only had an erroneous view of Christ's nature and displayed disobedience to God's commands, but they also displayed a distinct lack of love for true believers, who rejected their heretical teachings.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/11

MarkV i do concider someone who prays for resurection, and it doesnt happen, so accepting that that was the will of God to be someone with right doctrines, i donot think you deny the Prophets Aposteles Pastors and teachers? this appears from your reponse.My quote to MarkE was actually an effort of comforting, he said "we prayed" that indicates that indeed his house are faithfull, so by consequense his children are saved and better of when they die. i believe that for MarkE, i believe that for my sister, again, (and i hope my answer will be posted this time) I know i'm saved because Christ did it all for me. if in any case the moderater couldfind my lost blog and post it you'll find that my heresy is not that far from yours :-))
---andy3996 on 7/27/11


By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother>1John 3:10

I believe we can know who is and is not a child of God according to what this says. But I certainly agree, there is no compassion to ask someone who lost their child if they were saved.

Mark Eaton,

whether you know or not trust God and his love, He is the ultimate judge. I pray your heart is strengthened and our Father himself lift your spirit and comfort you when those times of grief come.

My love to you brother!
---willa5568 on 7/26/11

andy, I'm not judging you, but the teachings you've come to believe, what I gathered from what you said, is why I answered the way I did. There is some charasmatics who go too far, I consider myself a charasmatic in some way. Don't you even realize asking someone who has lost a son whether their child was saved or not is not proper to do since no one knows the heart but God? There was no need for that.
Second, you said someone you didn't know about you are your sister knew what God had said to her. And I questioned how? I don't know you personally only what you post, and that tells me the teachings you have received. Not who you really are.
---Mark_V. on 7/26/11

I once thought that "stripes" only meant the lash marks made by whatever type of whip went across Jesus' back 39 times. After studying the word stripes, I found the word meant black and blue marks/bruises!
The ENTIRE beating Jesus took was for our total healing, spirit, soul and body.
When Jesus healed someone physically the NT said it fulfilled Isaiah's prophecy therefore physical healing was definitely included.
Mark Eaton, The WHY question is tough when it comes to asking about someone else other than yourself. Maybe a catch 22! Be encouraged... It ain't over 'til God says it done!
We get new bodies!
---Legends on 7/26/11

MarkV If God decrees everything we do, good or ill, and decides whether we will accept Him, or not ....
How can we be disobedient, when we behave as He has decreed?<

How can He judge us?

How can He punish us for behaving as He decided?

Why has God given us one definition of the word just to use in our own human affairs, when his own use of the word is diametrically ccontrary?

---alan8566_of_uk on 7/26/11

MARKV Your point is? next to you enjoying yourself in acusation, i did not quite catch what i'm accused of
am I
1 too righteous
2 not righteous enough
3 too charismatic
4 too certain
5 or to lost to know anything again?
to answer your attack I did not say MarkEaton, had no faith, i did not say God waits our prayers before intervening what i meant that we are Called to pray and accept God's will in everything. MARK Vi don't know what bug has bitten you, but i really feel soory for you if you doubt yur own salvation. Luke 1:3-4
then again when you know the bible you'll know that even what i did not say is the truth :-) and YES i'm a charsimatic if you mean that i believe all God's prommises in the bible.
---andy3996 on 7/26/11

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Here is a great resource for inner-healing - the CD teaching by Mark Virkler "Prayers That Heal The Heart".
---Leslie on 7/26/11

andy 2: There is many in charasmtic churches who go to far. If a person is not saved they say it is because of lack of faith. If you were dying and no one prayed for you, do you think God would put that against you? It is not a lack of faith or a lack of praying, or how much money someone gives or as some Catholics do, punish themselves as a sacrifice by kneeling for hours or days. It is the will of God that is done. He knows everything about us. "If" He was waiting to see if we prayed or had enough faith, He would not know everything and would be learning as He goes. He would not be God.
---Mark_V. on 7/26/11

andy, I don't know what kind of Charasmatic church you belong to but you went to far to the left. And since someone here who disagrees with you, like Mark E, you have the guts to ask if his son was saved. You know very well that only God knows who is saved. No one else does. For all we know, you might not be, even when you respond to us as one. God knows the heart of each person, not man.
And as to your sister and all of you wanting her to be raise from the dead, and someone who you didn't even know came and told you she wanted to stay with the Lord, how could he possibly know that? Was he with the Lord when she went to the Lord if she went? Did God do what she said because she said it? You want so hard to be right that you go too far.
---Mark_V. on 7/25/11

Mark Eaton, without trying to sound rude, but did your son died a born again believer? if so, REJOICE! he believed for a better life, and in Christ he has this eternally.
My sister died of gas-empoisement (a gasleak in the house) when she was 20 we prayed for God to raise her from death, she was a Praiseleader in our church, guess what, instead a christian from the other side of the land , who knew nothing about the case was instructed to tell us to stop praying that she decided to stay with the LORD. so we did, and although we grieved, we know that CHRIST DID IT completaly for her SOMETIMES GODS plan goes differently then expected, still PRAISE THE LORD
---andy3996 on 7/25/11

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The flogging and crucifixion (stripes and sores) physical injuries has lead to our spiritual healing of washing our sins away.
---Scott on 7/25/11

BELIEVE IN THE NAME OF THE SON OF GOD and it will happen to you.
---andy3996 on 7/25/11

Let me tell you my son's story.

My son was born with larangeal papiloma virus, contracted through the birth canal from his mother. As a virus, and in its location, the condition was incurable. The virus continued to grow and required surgery to keep his airway open every two weeks.

We prayed for his healing all his life. Whole churches prayed for his healing. The condition never went into remission.

Eventually the virus spread into his lungs, where it turned cancerous. He died 4 years later at the age of 26.

Can you tell me why my son was never healed?
---Mark_Eaton on 7/25/11

isn't every anwerr right?
his stripes speak

BELIEVE IN THE NAME OF THE SON OF GOD and it will happen to you. i don't understand why some would like to complicate Jesus words in a way that it looses all its power.
---andy3996 on 7/25/11

There is no question that many have prayed and many have gotten healed. But there is also many who pray and have not got healed. What it comes down to, is the will of God. We also know that we have seen what we call miracles so many times. One hundred are killed and one is not. We call that a miracle. But what do we call what happened to those who died? But a devasting loss. Babies are born who weight 2 pounds, and make it to be great people in life, that to us is a miracle. But the healing mentioned in those passages is not physical healing, if it was no one would die. "It is appointed for men to die"
---Mark_V. on 7/25/11

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Jn 19:28-30. "28 Later, knowing that EVERYTHING had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, I am thirsty. 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, IT IS FINISHED. With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit."
What is finished? Everything.
Healing may not be manifest, but that does not negate that it was taken care of through Chrisit's death on the cross.
---chria9396 on 7/24/11

Shira, I agree with you. One reason is, not all people who are sick or dying are healed. And if it happened already when Jesus died, every Christian should have been healed. But we know all flesh dies. You cannot be healed again and again and not die. The word is "Rapha" as Mark E. indicated, and has several meanings one is also "to make whole". The passages in (Isa. 53:4-12) speak loudly of "substitution" The emphasis here is on Christ being the substitute recipient of God's wrath on sinners ( 2 Cor. 5:21, Gal.1:3,4: Heb. 10:9,10). We as Christians don't suffer to receive salvation. We suffer for His sake for receiving salvation. The Truth is people live and die by the will of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/24/11

Jesus took 39 stripes for the 39 major diseases, this also includes inner-wounds (broken heart). To receive this, we must repent of our sins and forgive (God, self, others). If we do not, we will not receive our healing.
---Leslie on 7/23/11

Mima, I do believe in physical healing but it must be God'w will for us. I have known miracles too but His stripes refers to spiritual healing. He died for our spiritual healing...being born again. Not everyone who gets sick is healed but everyone can be saved if they ask God to save them.
---shira3877 on 7/22/11

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You just presented what is known as allegorical interpretation. It was very popular in the first couple of centuries AD.

Shaky at best. If you can fined a bible verse that says what you wrote about the stripping of His garments and the thorns and such, you might have a case.

But pressing allegory on the text is not proof.

That kind of nonsense is what led my uncle to wait for a healing from cancer instead of being treated in its infany. He waited too long, and died from it.
---James_L on 7/22/11

I agree with all of you EXCEPT for one thing-haven't any of you heard the teaching on the abuses Jesus took on for us at the cross? So this verse does pertain to physical's proof.

The stripping of the garments represents sexual abuse (that he took on for us, knowing some would suffer sexual abuse).
The crown of thorns represent the mental abuse we go through.

The dipping of the sponge in vinegar represents the verbal abuse we get.
And on and on....not enough space here to say all of the abuses he took on for us, so I tend to think it does include physical healing.
---Donna5535 on 7/22/11

To answer this question I am forced to tell you that I have prayed to die!! Flat on my back 17 months, being force-fed as I was unable to swallow. Having suffered a massive heart attack and being a diabetic I continued to get worse. My mind remained clear and so as I was praying I asked the Lord to take me and not let me
rot away. Almost immediately things changed around. I began to gain weight, I had lost over 100 pounds, I began to be able to sat up, I began to be able to sat in a wheelchair. Improvement came fast within two months I was on my way home. While in the nursing home I prayed with 77 people for their salvation. Today my diabetes is gone, I believe as a result of my wife's praying.
---mima on 7/22/11

During my ordeal twice my heart stopped beating, once for five minutes, and once for 15 minutes, my wife was told that I was alive but that I would be virtually a vegetable. Doctors were forced to cut my feet off and one little finder, this brought on by blood clots. I was on a respirator for three months and yet my mind remained very clear and interestingly enough I suffered no pain except a tangling in my hands.
Well that's the story and at least two doctors have signed off that I am a living miracle. One of these doctors was present as I witnessed and led another person to the Lord. So impressed was he that he again demanded that his church have me speak, however that never did.
---mima on 7/22/11

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Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever meaning that He has not changed. If he healed sinners back then how much more will He do for us as children of God

Psalm 103:3 is another excellent verse. God has never changed. Our medicine is the word of God.

Healing among other things has been a controversy in the body of Christ for yrs....but it's time to let that stuff go & grow up as children of God.

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 28)
Redeemed us from sickness, poverty, & spiritual death. Healing is not a "promise", but a simple "stated fact" that tells us what He's done. Hosea 4:6 shows 2reasons why people don't get healed.
---Rickey on 7/22/11

Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever meaning that He has not changed. If he healed sinners back then how much more will He do for us as children of God

Psalm 103:3 is another excellent verse. God has never changed. Our medicine is the word of God.

Healing among other things has been a controversy in the body of Christ for yrs....but it's time to let that stuff go & grow up as children of God.

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 28)
Redeemed us from sickness, poverty, & spiritual death. Healing is not a "promise", but a simple "stated fact" that tells us what He's done. Hosea 4:6 shows 2reasons why people don't get healed.
---Rickey on 7/22/11

"wounds deep down inside" > I think of how forgiveness makes us stronger so we are healed (Mark 11:25). We need to join Jesus in His love that made Him able to so love, even while getting those stripes, and this love heals us > in His resurrection, Jesus still had His wounds, but those wounds had no effect.

In God's love forgiving, we also have deep protection and immunity. "And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13)

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17) So, we in Jesus have been joined to Him . . . healed together with Him in His love with sweetly soothing immunity against sinsick stuff.
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/22/11

For the students of Greek and Hebrew, the word healed (rapha) in this passage, according to my Lexicon means: "to sew together, to mend". Used to describe healing, mending, repairing, and in an off way, pardoning or comforting.

Also, the verse in the JPS Tanakh reads like this:

Is 53:5 "But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed".

Other than healing, all the items for which Christ was afflicted in this verse are spiritual: transgressions, iniquities, welfare. I must therefore conclude that the mending being referred to in this verse is spiritual also.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/22/11

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because of the stripes Christ endured, we can all be healed of sin. He did not promise to heal our bodies every time we are sick. He is speaking of spiritual healing, salvation. He died on a cross for our sin.
---shira3877 on 7/22/11

However, in the World to Come, we will truly all be physically healed because we will be in in our resurrected, glorified bodies.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/11

The other posters have answered this question correctly: HEALED is in the spiritual sense.

I've attended, and left, several churches that taught that this verse referred to physical healing.

When I wasn't healed after several folks laid hands on me and prayed, I was treated like a leper.

Several others experienced the same treatment in these churches. I would imagine that the problem continues in churches around the world.

Many people are spiritually healed, but not physically: Quadriplegics, Diabetics, Epileptics, Amputees, etc.

I believe that God CAN heal if He so chooses. However, that doesn't mean that He WILL. The reasons are often known only to God. And Him alone. Not to people.
---Augie on 7/21/11

Both references speak of spiritual healing or reconciliation to the Father.

Being healed from sin, but a lot of people take it as physical healing which is received by faith

---paul on 7/21/11

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This scripture is mentioned two times - once in the O.T. (we are healed - present tense) and once in the N.T. (we were healed - past tense). Christians still carry sickness and inner wounds because of lack of repentance from sin and lack of forgiveness. If we had these two down, we would be completly healed, and would not need Doctors, or Counselors. We refuse to repent and forgive, and this is why we are still sick and wounded and cannot get healed.
---Leslie on 7/21/11

Unfortunately, those of a Pentecostal persuasion have twisted this verse to mean physical healing, when there isn't one shred of biblical support for the notion that Christ's atonement is a guarantee of healing for all.

Many have been duped into this thinking, and it has ruined the lives of many
---James_L on 7/21/11

a true relationship with the Lord may result in physical healing, but will definitely result in spiritual healing.

but, again the scriptures were talking of healing the relationship to God and His chosen people. that way all of mankind through His Kingdom could experience eternal life through our Lord.
---aka on 7/21/11

It means we are healed and forgiven of our sins, not granted physical health in this world.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/11

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