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Can't Tell Who Is A Christian

From reading Romans 12:1-2, why is it you cannot tell the difference between many who claim to be Christian, and those who are in the world?

Also, why do many claim to be sharing the GOSPEL, but what they are sharing is not the GOSPEL OF CHRIST, Galatians 1:6-11?

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"So the HS was the gun and Peter pulled the trigger!"-John
I did not know that humans could wield such power, or even control the Holy Spirit as you say.
We must be g-ds....
---micha9344 on 7/31/11


John, Donna66 is right. You said that if the same thing happened today Peter would be arrested. Arrested for what? for saying what he said? Many today say the same thing and they are not arrest if someone dropped dead. A person can say what they want but if they don't do the murder it is not murder. Oh some have been convicted wrongly for no evidence but it was a wrongful conviction. If I tell someone drop dead, and they did, it was not my fault they dropped dead. I don't have the power to make someone drop dead. In the stories of the Bible the punishment for going against God was very severe. To show us readers not to go against God. It could happened to us.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/11


John-- No, It's not semantics. The Bible doesn't say what caused their death. Peter rebuked them, predicted their death...and they dropped dead. That's ALL the bible tells us.

On what grounds would Peter be arrested today? I think most people would assume that, without signs of assault, the cause of death would be heart failure (from whatever cause). Today, the cause of death would be determined by the medical examiner. Peter would be questioned as a witness, not arrested.
---Donna66 on 7/31/11


Donna you're arguing semantics.

So the HS was the gun and Peter pulled the trigger!

If this occur in Modern day where someone stated what Peter stated and somneone died, He would be arrested.
---John on 7/30/11


Just means that the Spirit revealed something ahead of time for him, John. It doesnt mean HE actually killed her ... sheesh.

Yet another example of someone thinking if a person or God himself knows a future event before it will happen its because they CAUSE that future event to happen. Not because they are given the ability to look thru time. When did God go from being Omnipotent to just a master manipulator?

As much as you claim to love Christ, you sure do hate his church a lot, Pastor_Jim.
---CraigA on 7/30/11




John:

The New Testament mentions various supernatural gifts believers can manifest by the power of the Holy Spirit. However, slaying people with a word is not one of them.

There are two ways to interpret the Ananias and Sapphira story:

1) Peter miraculuously killed them by speaking their death into existence.

2) Peter prophesied, knowing the Holy Spirit (to whom they had lied) was about to kill them.

There are many similar examples of prophecy, but the only other examples (that I can think of) of people slaying with a word are Elijah calling fire down from heaven on guards sent to capture him, and Jesus in Revelation, slaying his enemies with "the sword that came out of his mouth".
---StrongAxe on 7/30/11


Both Ananias and Sapphira dropped dead immediately upon hearing Peters pronoucement. First Ananias, then 3 hours later, his wife. This is according to scripture in Acts 5.
You may suppose what you want, but there is no evidence from scripture,
that either one was executed. Scripture gives no indication that Peter so much as laid a hand on them.

If he did not, WHO was the real "executioner"... Peter or God (or their own fear at having been found out)?
---Donna66 on 7/30/11


So what do you call this Donna...

THEY WILL CARRY YOU OUT TOO!"

She is still alive when he said this and she died after he said this. The direct result of Peter saying this.

Was he surprise? NO!

Did he order her death? YES!
---John on 7/30/11


John--- I see nothing that implies Peter "ordered her execution"! Who is "ignorant" of the scripture?

Act 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband [are] at the door, and shall carry thee out.

Act 5:10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying [her] forth, buried [her] by her husband.
---Donna66 on 7/29/11


Let's get one thing perfectly clear here John, Peter never killed anyone. anyone. I'm sure Peter was just as suprised as anyone.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/11

AND PETER SAID:,

"How could the two of you even think of conspiring to test the Spirit of the Lord like this? The young men who buried your husband are just outside the door, and THEY WILL CARRY YOU OUT TOO!"

Sounds like he ordered her execution and he certainly was NOT surprise.

I never say things out of whim, but out of scripture!

IGNORANCE OF SCRIPTURE IS NOT BLISS KATHR
---John on 7/29/11




Craig, "
"When people experience the justification that comes thru Christ they dont feel the need to judge one another. They realize they are no better than their neighbor - none of us deserving the grace of God, but his love being extended to us all." I think there's truth to that, but may be somewhat dependent upon how deeply one realizes the truth of this justification. We ARE being clanged...
---chria9396 on 7/29/11


//Poopsey, this is a place for those who are under a lot of guilt to come and judge others.

And some are here to promote their peculiar denominations viewpoint - re the anti-Calvinist, the Seventh Day Adventists.

And yes, while we can recognize doctrinal error, condemning other rarely will lead to a change of heart or mind. It is all too often a 'my team versus your team' type to sport.
---leej on 7/29/11


It is because they are "lip-servers", with their mouths they profess Christ, but with their heart and life they are still dead and carnal, unchristianed and unconverted, and they have no Christ in them. If it looks like a sinner, walks like a sinner, sounds like a sinner, and smells like a sinner, then indeed it is a sinner and not a Christian: "And together will be the destruction of the transgressors and the sinners, and consumed they that forsake Yhwh." Is.1:28.
---Eloy on 7/29/11


Ruben, the only reason I answered about Catholics was because of what Cluny stated. Otherwise I would not have answered. I do not enjoy speaking about them. you ask how do I know my interpretation is the Truth, because if it wasn't I would not put it out there.
What I said about the Catholic Church and I guess it includes Cluny's church too since both believe in almost the same things, comes from my experience as a Catholic, and by studying the history of the Church. I also have enough information before me, both Vatican 1 and 2. And the articles of faith. I know what happened during the reformation, and why those Catholics wanted to reform the Church not leave it. Many were beheaded or burn alive.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/11


Ruben 2: I have studies on every pope, the good ones and the real terrible ones who had concubines, wives and mistresses, and have studied the RCC has one of the biggest banks in the world, one of the biggest secret services in the world, for their denomination is the largest in the world, and have been in every country in the world, though they are losing many in Europe, since many RCC churches have been converted to Isalm. They have the most precious articles in the world, some of the most valuable manuscripts in the world. And many of the atrocities committed by them. And how many of the early church fathers brought their Heathen philosophies into the church. So what I gave was history.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/11


Poopsey, this is a place for those who are under a lot of guilt to come and judge others. Not everyone here does that - please dont get me wrong - but the vast majority do.

Its the "Im not so bad, look what YOU do and what YOU believe!" brand of justification of life (Romans 2:15). It only leads to death.

When people experience the justification that comes thru Christ they dont feel the need to judge one another. They realize they are no better than their neighbor - none of us deserving the grace of God, but his love being extended to us all.

Jesus didnt judge. He offered healing and loved people in spite of their sin. Its strange that many who are his followers only wish to look at one anothers sin.
---CraigA on 7/29/11


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kathr4453: That is fine. And I don't agree with everything that John says either although I have nothing against him personally. At least he doesn't seem like a disloyal backstabber and has the guts to say what he thinks even if most everyone is against him.

This place is too full of self-righteous hypocrites for me.

People need to realize that some on here can hurt others very deeply and not use any foul language or name calling at all. But since they are self-righteous and think they know it all they don't think they ever make mistakes.

What a joke!
---poopsey on 7/29/11


poopsey, you obviously did not read all the posts here, and one coming from John that Peter killed these two. My comment was to refute his statement. I know the story well, and was never arguing what you stated. I agree with you 100%.
---kathr4453 on 7/28/11


John:

Nbody "worships" Easter, Christmas, infant baptism, pre-tribulation rapture, etc.? Believing something is not the same as worshipping it.

Also, I don't think I ever stated my positions on these issues here (one way or other), so it's premature to ask me why I believe in something I have never claimed to believe in the first place. It makes as much sense to walk up to a total stranger on the street and ask "why are you a communist?"

Do I divert topics? While I often make comments on blogs that are not related to the blog topics, these are not for the purpose of diverting the topics, but rather taking issue with something another person has already said (so the topic was diverted before I got there).
---StrongAxe on 7/28/11


kathr4453: You stated, "poopsey, WE do not have any power within us to take a life. If we did, I think we would see more of this."

You are not understanding what I am saying and those verses. I never said you or anyone else had the power to take a life. I said it was a judgment because Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit. This judgment came from God and not man.

It was Peter who confronted Ananias and then his wife regarding their sale of property as a test. They both failed the test and the judgment in that particular case was death.
---poopsey on 7/28/11


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John:

The Father and the Son are one - NOT one and the same. The Father did not descend from heaven to rest on the Holy Spirit whom John baptized. The Holy Spirit was not born of Mary and crucified for our sins. We pray "Our Father", not "Our Son" or "Our Spirit".

John 17:11,21
"... that they may be one, as we are.
That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me"

These speak of unity of purpose, NOT of essence. If they WERE unity of essence, this would make US all God too, which is absurd.
---StrongAxe on 7/28/11


"Why do you Worship Easter, Christmas, Baptize Infants, Pre-Trib. " John

I do not know of or have read any person who worships these things. We worship GOD. We have beliefs and hold certain doctrines. They are not the same thing.

Those who wish to keep Easter or Christmas as a extra day dedicated to GOD are not insulting or blaspheming against GOD. The roots of those days are long forgotten by most people. So you are attacking people for somethng that is false.

The pre trib doctrine and infant baptism are false but that has nothing to do with a person's salvation. GOD forgives mistakes.

Matthew 25 GOD speaks on what we will be judged by. I do not see doctrinal errors in the list.
---Samuel on 7/28/11


WAITING FOR YOUR (FACTUAL) ANSWER STRONGAXE(AND OTHERS/CLUNY EXCEPTED)

Why do you Worship Easter, Christmas, Baptize Infants, Pre-Trib. Since one of these Blasphemies fits you(Plural).

WORD ABOUT CLUNY!
In all the years we've debated. Cluny he has always agrue the facts. He goes toe to toe/answers a direct question with a direct answer.

You never see Cluny divert the topic to avoid the main arguement and you NEVER EVER Hear cluny say ignorant things like..

"Well I'm save by Grace that all that matters!" or "I Praise Jesus every day not just these days."

INTERPRETATION... I'm too ignorant to answer your question so I act Holier than Thou.

Very Nauseating!
---John on 7/27/11


I didn't ask for verses in the old testament.
--StrongAxe
You said "or anyone Else" Jesus and the Father are ONE. Jesus is in 100% agreement with this order and All of them in the OT.

MY QUESTION IS...
1) IS THIS YOUR G-D OR NOT?
If he is, then you also agree.

If not then you're the many apostates, phonies, facades. Those who DARE put THEIR RIGHTOUSNESS above G-ds!

Apostates who drink the Wine of the Harlot(Liberalism)/ follow Hippy Peace/Love. The... "aren,t we just nice non-judgemental NEUTURED Christians. The crowd that watched HBO/comedy of a man urinating on the Face of Jesus/not a wimper,complaint, boycott or cancelation.

BECAUSE you live on THIS world and enjoy its LUSTS!!!
---John on 7/27/11


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poopsey, WE do not have any power within us to take a life. If we did, I think we would see more of this. Even those who betrayed Paul professing to be saved never encountered death. People lie all the time pretending to be more spiritual than they are and lie about money etc.

I remember years ago our church( not mine anymore) actually used this vese to terrorize the congregation as they were on their building campaign that if they didn't give all their money to build the church, they could face the same fate.

Maybe that's why i'm overly sensative about this verse. It's been abused in more ways than one.

Peter only spoke as the Holy Spirit empowered him. Peter didn't kill anyone.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/11


kathr4453: Peter was not surprised as can be attested to in scripture. I do not condone killing anyone but this was done as a judgment for lying to the Holy Spirit.

Acts 5 NIV
You have not lied just to human beings but to God.

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died.

7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?

Yes, she said, that is the price.

9 Peter said to her, How could you conspire to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.

10 At that moment she fell down at his feet and died.
---poopsey on 7/27/11


\\They removed the Second commandment to their articles of faith so they could worship saint's and idols,\\

This was a lie the first dozen times it was told, and it's STILL a lie.

Bearing false witness against Roman Catholics is still bearing false witness against your neighbor--and still a sin.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/11


They removed the Second commandment to their articles of faith so they could worship saint's and idols, changed Justification by faith in Christ alone, and added works to salvation, self- righteous deeds, by attending mass every Sunday, eating His flesh, adding purgatory for those who were saved and did wrong, because the death of Christ was not sufficient to save them. They cannot explain what born again is since they do not teach it. They believe many kinds of works will take care of that. They can do all this because they believe they created the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/11


Mark you believe what you teach is the truth, so why is your interpretation of scripture the correct one,please tell me?
---Ruben on 7/27/11


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\\Why do you Worship Easter, Christmas, Baptize Infants, Pre-Trib. Since one of these fits you(Plural). You know from my posts HOW these are blasphemies. \\

But I DON'T worship any of these things, John!

And remember, you are not OK at all.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/11


Let's get one thing perfectly clear here John, Peter never killed anyone. Unless there is such a thing as "death by question". Or are you suggesting Peter had some power within himself to will someone dead, or wish them dead? That my friend is witchcraft.

I'm sure Peter was just as suprised as anyone.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/11


Strongaxe, they are not the same church that followed Christ from the beginning. While I cannot judge the hearts of the members, I can judge what they did and still do. They removed the Second commandment to their articles of faith so they could worship saint's and idols, changed Justification by faith in Christ alone, and added works to salvation, self- righteous deeds, by attending mass every Sunday, eating His flesh, adding purgatory for those who were saved and did wrong, because the death of Christ was not sufficient to save them. They cannot explain what born again is since they do not teach it. They believe many kinds of works will take care of that. They can do all this because they believe they created the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/11


Leslie, what a STRANGE remark coming from someone who says YOU BELIEVE you're the only saved christian on line here at CN and all the rest of us are lost and going to hell. Now I CALL THAT playing GOD, and somewhat arrogant to boot.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone professing what they believe. Just quoting scripture doesn't mean you believe/AKA obey from the heart what you quote.

Anyone can quote scripture. It takes guts to stand up and profess what you believe with all your heart and soul.

You don't have to believe what I believe. And I sure don't believe what you do!
---kathr4453 on 7/26/11


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The word says it must need be that there be heresies among you that they which are approved might be made manifest.
The light of the scripturally sound answer that is brought forth by the Spirit will manifest the darkness of the answer given by those who use a carnal mind (enmity with God) or the spirit of man (which seeks the things of man) or spirit of err. The spirit of man will lust to envy trying to get praise of man proving he or she knows the most and the heart that is decitfully wicked will seek praise of man as well. That which is brought forth by the Holy Ghost will seek to glorify Christ and lead the saints in Spirit and truth.
---Frank on 7/26/11


John:

You said: and Peter who Killed two imposters dead at the church entrance!

THAT'S WHAT CHRISTIANS ARE COMMANDED TO DO!John///

WOW that's exactly what I was saying on the other blog about what happened in Norway. Religious crusaders murdering in the name of Jesus.

Maybe someone needs to keep an eye on John...seriously!

Let's see Leslie, didn't you say only you and John were the only true christians here on CN?

Scarry!
---kathr4453 on 7/26/11


willa5568, Russian, Greek, Bulgarian, and all the other Orthodox Churchees teach the same doctrines and are united in faith and the Holy Mysteries, but are administratively independent.

Like most converts, I prefer Orthodox with no ethnic label.

Actually, Protestants of all stripes and Roman Catholics are closer to each other, as they share the same history and assumptions and ask the same questions, though they differ on the answers.

In Orthodoxy, the history, assumptions, and questions are all different.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/26/11


John:

I didn't ask for verses in the old testament. I asked for verses wher Jesus HIMSELF taught anyone to kill anyone else. There aren't any.

Note that Peter did not kill Ananias and Sapphira - the Holy Spirit did that all on his own.

Now, if the Holy Spirit decides to kill someone, that's his business, but it is not a license for any of us to do the same on our own.
---StrongAxe on 7/26/11


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The question StrongAxe I posed which you/others have avoided is...

Why do you Worship Easter, Christmas, Baptize Infants, Pre-Trib. Since one of these fits you(Plural). You know from my posts HOW these are blasphemies.

So the Lord said...

"If they did not know they would not have sin, but now they have been told and their sins are held against them".

So why do you continue to Blasphemy against the face of G-d yet call yourselves "Christians"

Do you fear men, but do not fear G-d? Do you seek the approval of men and not Gods?

I await all your answers.
I want factual answers, not silly "I love Jesus everyday" ignorance.
Answer factually or know you're wrong!!!
---John on 7/26/11


Please show ONE verse where Jesus(or anyone else) ever commanded anyone to kill anyone.
-StrongAxe
HERE'S YOUR VERSES...

"then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy (Deut 7:1-3).

They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in itmen and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys. (Joshua 6: 16-20)

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them, put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys. (1 Sam 15:1-3)

NT?
Who Commanded Peter to KILL Annias/Saphira?
Who commanded Paul to Blind Bar-Jesus.
NOW ANSWER THE TOPIC I POSED.
---John on 7/26/11


Mark_V.:

I gather that the Orthodox churches believe that they are the continuation of the original Christianity delivered to the Apostles, and most other churches (especially Catholics, and even more so those who split from the Catholics, i.e. Protestants) did so in error. Since the scriptures were deliever by God to the Apostles, and the Orthodox church is the same church that existed 2000 years ago, God delievered the scriptures to the Orthodox church. There is nothing here about them "creating God". It's more the other way around.

(I personally don't believe that the Orthodox church contains the pure unadulterated truth passed down for 2000 years, but rather they're just as fallible and imperfect as everyone else.)
---StrongAxe on 7/26/11


Cluny,

exactly which Orthodox church are you part of, Russian or Greek? It doesn't seem there is much difference from the Catholic teaching if Greek(Eastern). Just interested.
---willa5568 on 7/26/11


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\\Cluny, let me remind you that God brought us Scripture. All the church members did was receive what was already Truth. The Church does not make Truth,\\

And what Church did God work through on earth to reveal just what books WOULD be Scripture? You don't think He sent a list down from heaven, do you?

||The "I'm okay/You're okay" mantre of the the G-dless Liberals and Apostate Christian Imposters.||

All right, John, how about this?

You're not okay. Not at all, John. You're not a well person.

After all, you yourself said it's "apostate" to say, "You're okay."

How's that for a mantra (note the proper spelling)?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/26/11


Romans 6:13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 12: 1-2 only re-iterates Romans 6:13 resulting in Romans 6:14.

Which is our reasonable SERVICE.

One's mind cannot be transformed to have the mind of Christ without doing so.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/11


Romans 12:1-2 and Romans 6-8 are a command we must obey, not something to explain away through philosophy and vein deceit.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/11


Strongaxe, I didn't say he said it, but that he suggested it. First, I don't want to change the blog to be about Orthodox. I was just answering to his prideful comment about his Church. He said,
"Who do you think came up with Scripture in the first place?"
Suggesting they gave us Scripture. Not God. And if they gave us Scripture, it must have come from them and not God.
I said, " You suggest that your church made God"
Since the word came through them and not God, then God had to be created by them in order for God's word to come through them. When Cluny changes the subject from what the blog intents, it has a negative effect. It changes the subject from the blog in order to promote his Church.
---Mark_V. on 7/26/11


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John:

You said: and Peter who Killed two imposters dead at the church entrance!

THAT'S WHAT CHRISTIANS ARE COMMANDED TO DO!


Please show ONE verse where Jesus (or anyone else) ever commanded anyone to kill anyone for any reason.

Jesus said to love your enemies. You seem to advocate hating them (to death).
---StrongAxe on 7/26/11


Now watch the Phonies Apostates posts....
See if you can tell yourselves. Looks for Clues and especially Keywords.

Soon we will hear The Apostates MOST favorite verse ...
"Judge not, and be not judge"
---John on 7/23/11

AND HERE IT IS FOLKS...

"We need compassion for folks not hatred and anger".
---jody on 7/24/11


The "I'm okay/You're okay" mantre of the the G-dless Liberals and Apostate Christian Imposters.

This statement contradicts Paul(Who booted out many) and Peter who Killed two imposters dead at the church entrance!

THAT'S WHAT CHRISTIANS ARE COMMANDED TO DO!

These Imposters will welcome the Antichrist with a kiss!
---John on 7/25/11


Rob: "Why is it you cannot tell the difference between many who claim to be Christian, and those who are in the world?"

Because most "christians" during these last days lack genuine love.

Rob: "Why do many claim to be sharing the GOSPEL, but what they are sharing is not the GOSPEL OF CHRIST"

Most "christians" attend their denominational churches becoming only hearers of the word, not doers. They listen to a watered down gospel with feeling good stories.

The strong delusion during the end times is when christians think they are chritians, but are not.
---Steveng on 7/25/11


Rob, as to your questions,
First Romans 12:1,2 under the Old Covenant, God accepted the sacrifice of dead animals. But because of Christ ultimate sacrifice, the Old T. sacrifices are no longer of any effect (Heb. 9:11,12). For those in Christ, the only acceptable worship is to offer themselves completely to the Lord. Under God's control, the believer's yet-unredeemed body can and must be yielded to Him as an instrument of righteousness (6:12,13: 8:11-13). "Do not be conformed" refers to assuming an outward expression that does not reflect what is really inside, a kind of masquerade or act.
---Mark_V. on 7/25/11


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Mark_V.:

You said to Cluny: You suggest that your church made God. Such a prideful statement.

I have never heard Cluny ever say that his church "made God". Can you quote just where and when he said this?
---StrongAxe on 7/25/11


Cluny, let me remind you that God brought us Scripture. All the church members did was receive what was already Truth. The Church does not make Truth, God reveals Truth, for He is the Truth. You suggest that your church made God. Such a prideful statement.
Why don't you get off your high horse? And stick to the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 7/25/11


God gave us an Apostle to follow and a Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4)
1 Cor.11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
1 Tim. 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Apparently, that's not enough for most.
---michael_e on 7/24/11


But, scripture did NOT come from YOUR church either. It comes from God.
Why do you boast so much about YOUR church and not God?
*****

AMEN

Holy Scripture is from the Word Christ Jesus - John 1:1-3,14,

Those who believe and do every Word John 8:31, John 14:23, Luke 4:4, Rom 2:13, James 1:22

Roman 12 speaks of ONE BODY yet the world has many brands and flavors calling themselves "christian"

everything God commands to be done is rejected and everything he commands not to do is done IN THE NAME OF a "jesus" is to preach another Jesus 2Corin 4:11, Luke 6:46

if there is ONLY "one jesus" then it is WHY one cannot tell the difference
---Rhonda on 7/24/11


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John: you seem eager to catch these "phonies/apostates". I would encourage you to remember that our" war is not against flesh and blood...." Our weapons exist in prayer and as in Revelation "they overcame by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of their Testimonies". We are called to "restore such a one with a spirit of gentleness". We need compassion for folks not hatred and anger. God Bless.
---jody on 7/24/11


Now watch the Phonies Apostates posts....

See if you can tell yourselves. Looks for Clues and especially Keywords.
---John on 7/23/11

YOU SEE>>>
No you can't, most of what you say is false.
Cluny

Soon we will hear The Apostates MOST favorite verse ...

"Judge not, and be not judge"

Its their "Self-denial" verse that allows them to continue in Blasphemy without being called out, or exposed.

They want you to just see their wolf fur as sheeps fur.

---John on 7/23/11


Cluny: there you go again...meaningless boasts about Orthodoxy.
I suggest it's far better to boast in God instead.

Cluny said: "Who do you think came up with Scripture in the first place? Hint: It wasn't YOUR Church."

But, scripture did NOT come from YOUR church either. It comes from God.
Why do you boast so much about YOUR church and not God?

FYI I am not a member of any church.
---Haz27 on 7/24/11


Rob, I believe it's because many have not obeyed Romans 12: 1-2. Without that obedience there is no transformed mind to know and discern truth from lies, or to even KNOW the will of God.

I can tell you, the day I obeyed and totally surrendered my life was a day I will never forget.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/11


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\\I CERTAINLY CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE ...\\

No you can't, most of what you say is false.

** My experience with Orthodoxy only left me convinced that it teaches the traditions and precepts of men.**

Tell me what all you know about what Orthodoxy teaches. Something tells me you don't know as much as you think you do.

Don't YOU believe that other churches teach traditions and precepts of men? If you didn't, you wouldn't be members of them, would you?

**Better to keep to scripture and share the gospel instead of making worldly claims that your church is better than all the others. **

Who do you think came up with Scripture in the first place? Hint: It wasn't YOUR Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/23/11


We need to get to know the real Jesus and God's word. Then we can easily see who and what is not like the real One. As we grow in how God has us loving, this is how we discover His love meaning of His word, better and deeper than just words can tell. And as we become corrected by God Himself (Hebrews 12:7-11) to be how He has us living, our example can spread to help make others the same way > "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/23/11


I CERTAINLY CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHRISTIANS AND THE PSEUDO FACADES! NO DOUBT!

Now watch the Phonies Apostates posts....

See if you can tell yourselves. Looks for Clues and especially Keywords.
---John on 7/23/11


It is a tough struggle to swim against the tide and the tide just keeps getting stronger,higher and tougher to deal with. In these last days, the Bible teaches that sin will increase to it's "fullness". This must happen. We are better off praying for our fellows in the Lord and are called to "love". Bible says that if you can turn a sinner from the "error of his ways, you have saved a soul and cover a multitude of sin". That means we have some sin to cover in ourselves. Best to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling and let others work out theirs before God. Only God knows who will ascend into heaven or descend into hell. It is not up to us to second guess another servant's worth or worthiness.
---jody on 7/23/11


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Firstly, I know we are all guilty! For this, I turn to Christ.
I try to look for these things in a person.
That youre not Judging, without including yourself
That if youre condemning, youre including yourself
And if youre forgiving, youre forgiving yourself
And youre not Judging according to the appearance
But judge righteous judgment.

But more, I look to see if you understand this:
The new commandment he gave you.
That you love one another, as he loves us
That you show your love for another, all other

By this shall all know that ye are my disciples!
These things I command of you!

Look to your own words to see if the understanding is there!
God bless and keep you safe.
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/23/11


Cluny said:
"Only Orthodoxy shares the Gospel of Christ.
Alll others teach traditions and precepts of men."

Sorry Cluny, but such claims are meaningless boasts. My experience with Orthodoxy only left me convinced that it teaches the traditions and precepts of men.

Better to keep to scripture and share the gospel instead of making worldly claims that your church is better than all the others.
God sees our hearts and knows those who are His. This goes beyond what worldly church label you claim to belong to.
---Haz27 on 7/23/11


"As a result, this is really for US to work out if WE are presenting our bodies and not conforming, not for others to use to check
---Peter on 7/22/11" I tend to agree as far as our attitude goes.

"i can tell who is a Christian and who is religious, because i am filled with Gods Holy Spirit. Things have not changed since Jesus walked this earth, and those of us that have a relationship with God will know those that belong to him, he said "my sheep hear my voice and a stranger they will not follow".
---Lea on 7/23/11 Although we may be given revelation of this at times, I'd be very careful about potentially "condemning" another if there's any possibility that they belong to the Lord.
---chria9396 on 7/23/11


It is true that we cannot take for granted that those who call themselves Christian, we are to believe that claim. John admonishes the Christian to do the following,

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

And why "try the spirits"? Simple, only a true Christian is born of the Holy Spirit and Jesus's promise is "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13

To begin, do you have the Spirit?
---christan on 7/23/11


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How do you know that "they," the "many" don't have it right, and you are the false Christian and you have it wrong?
---atheist on 7/22/11


That's a good question.
Here's one for you.
If a Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ, but their teaching oppose the teachings of Jesus Christ, are the teaching the Truth?

What I teach is clearly supported by the teachings of Jesus Christ, and If I am wrong, I challenge them to show me where I am wrong, in the Gospels of Christ, not from their doctrine.
When I teach the letters of Paul, the teachings build upon the Elementary teachings of Jesus Christ, they do not tear them down.
---David on 7/23/11


It's because most doctrines are founded on the teachings of men, though they claim they are the teachings of Paul.
Not only are these teachings not supported by the gospels, they are actually opposed to them.

If These folks are taught that walking in the ways of the Lord are not required for them to be in the Grace of God, why would they?
This way they can Lie, steal, commit adultery, hate their neighbor and be unforgiving.
When they are taught that they are saved in this manner, they simply lose their moral compass.

The fact that their teachings are not supported anywhere in the Bible, doesn't seem to matter to them.
---David on 7/23/11


i can tell who is a Christian and who is religious, because i am filled with Gods Holy Spirit. Things have not changed since Jesus walked this earth, and those of us that have a relationship with God will know those that belong to him, he said "my sheep hear my voice and a stranger they will not follow".
---Lea on 7/23/11


Only Orthodoxy shares the Gospel of Christ.

Alll others teach traditions and precepts of men.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/22/11


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Rom 12:1,2 lists two things: present our bodies as a sacrifice, and not conform to this age/world.

The body part is visible if it is NOT presented, but when it is presented, it is not immediately visible.

The 'conform' part is also not immediately visible, as we must define (which Rom 12 does not) what part of the world we are not to conform to

As a result, this is really for US to work out if WE are presenting our bodies and not conforming, not for others to use to check
---Peter on 7/22/11


How do you know that "they," the "many" don't have it right, and you are the false Christian and you have it wrong?
---atheist on 7/22/11


It isn't up to me to try to decide who's a Christian and who isn't. If someone claims to be, I don't question it. It's up to God to judge, not me.
---John.usa on 7/22/11


what i see is most arent sharing or living the gospel,love one another as i have loved you,by this will they know you follow me.
---tom2 on 7/23/11


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Why can't you tell the difference..."I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

I beseech...brethren" a plea to do what follows, indicates (to me) that it's possible, for a time anyways, not do so, otherwise, why beseech? When we fail to do these, we look more like the world. I do believe God deals with us when we do not comply. Also, the enemy comes in sheep clothing, and there are false Christs, Mat 24:24,Mark 13:22,Gal 2:4.
---chria9396 on 7/23/11


Continued. Many are deceived(Totally), But brethren need to renew our minds, if not, there is a measure of deception. 1 Cor 3:18
Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become fools so that you may become wise.
James 1:16,17,22. 16 Dont be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. 17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights,

22Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says." We need to have our eyes more on the Lord, less on one another, and need to encourage one another in the Truth
---chria9396 on 7/23/11


It's because most doctrines are founded on the teachings of men, though they claim they are the teachings of Paul.
Not only are these teachings not supported by the gospels, they are actually opposed to them.

If These folks are taught that walking in the ways of the Lord are not required for them to be in the Grace of God, why would they?
This way they can Lie, steal, commit adultery, hate their neighbor and be unforgiving.
When they are taught that they are saved in this manner, they simply lose their moral compass.

The fact that their teachings are not supported anywhere in the Bible, doesn't seem to matter to them.
---David on 7/23/11


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