ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

Can One Lose Their Salvation

Does Hebrews 6 imply that a Christian can lose his or her salvation?

Join Our Christian Singles and Take The Salvation Bible Quiz
 ---leej on 7/24/11
     Helpful Blog Vote (4)

Post a New Blog



Mark,

And let us hold unwaveringly to the hope that we confess, for the one who made the promise is trustworthy....For you need endurance in order to do Gods will and so receive what is promised...but my righteous one will live by faith, and if he shrinks back, I take no pleasure in him. But we are not among those who shrink back and thus perish, but are among those who have faith and preserve their(by faith and endurance they preserve) souls>Hebrews 10:23,36-39

Faith is not given but expressed through endurance(obedience) according to Hebrews 10.
---willa5568 on 7/29/11


LeeJ, you already stated not all the soils are saved. One cannot hear the word, and then turn to worldly religions, choking out the word, and bear fruit. The ONLY fruit comes by being Crucified with Christ. Even those still married to the LAW cannot bear fruit as it states in Romans 7, and again in Hebrews 6. You simply cannot crucify to yourself the Son of God and follow Buddhism.

Buddhists don't even believe in Jesus Christ, or place any faith in Jesus Christ for the forgivness of sin.

AND our sanctification( renewed mind) comes through Calvary,in Christ ALONE not gnosticism.

One can certainly be a buddhist and THEN become a Christian where God has to purge all that other garbage out, but NOT vice versa.
---kathr4453 on 7/29/11


Certainly if one can be a SDA and a Christian, then it logically follows that one also can be a Buddhist and a Christian at the same time.
---leej on 7/29/11

It's actually not logical. SDA, or any "Christian" foundationally is the opposite of Buddhism.

With GOD of Adam, Noah, Abraham Issac and Jacob and Moses witnessing the entity.

Buddhism is based on logic of the individual honored by several variations of stone images.
You logically may be trying to marry the logic of Buddha with Christianity....but, like Yin & yang. Sounds good but has fatal flaw. Dark is never equal with light, or evil with good.
There is a wide way and a narrow way....not equal.
---Trav on 7/29/11


kathr - your assumption that those in Christ will not subscribe to incorrect or erroneous doctrines is wrong.

Does subscribing to ALL the right doctrinal views make you any less or more of a Christian?

Certainly if one can be a SDA and a Christian, then it logically follows that one also can be a Buddhist and a Christian at the same time.

Howbeit, if the Christian grows in the faith once delivered to the saints, then he will obtain a unity with others that have reached spiritual maturity. Eph. 4:13

Now you know why some of us accept fully what is written in Scripture and are not longer on milk but into the meat of His word. Hebr. 5:12,13
---leej on 7/29/11


Gordon, you have to think and study those passages to know that just receiving the knowledge of the Truth makes no one saved. Think about this, the devil has had knowledge of the Truth since the curse in (Gen. 3:15), and has been trying to stop Him to the point of tempting Him three times. Did that save him? No. What saves? Grace, through faith. You can make a confession of faith, go to church every Sunday, listen to the Word, sing songs to Christ and not be saved. You have to have saving faith. In fact if you have the knowledge of the Truth and trample it because you have no saving faith, the punishment is worse then if you never knew anything. Read the following passages, Heb. 26-31.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/11




While the head and captain of our faith will lead us into all truth, those who would distort and condemn others for things they truly do not believe simply ignore the Captain of our faith and listen to His chief enemy the devil.

The devil is the father of all lies and what can be said of his children?
---leej on 7/29/11


No. Reading it it just shows that a person can give up or turn away from salvation. The reason why it is impossible for them to return is because they choose to not do so.
---Rickey on 7/29/11


LeeJ, so you think the Captain of our faith, the author and perfector of our faith, The HEAD of the Body actually leads us to worship other gods, simply because you see dimmly through a glass and speak things you only see dimly? Get out of town! Talk about abusing scripture for your own false teachings.


Well those who FOLLOW Christ will never follwo Him into a Buddhist Temple or a tatoo pollar.

You have never had a problem with woman teaching or being pastors, as I understand your pastor is a woman.

You just don't like what I said....more hypocrits on line here!
---kathr4453 on 7/29/11


// let me ask you this, looking at the parable of the 4 soils, Were they all saved?

No, as the Word did not take real growth in those who simply assented mentally to the gospel message, it is those whose heart was changed that bore fruit unto eternal life.

In other words, Kathr, simply saying you believe with you mind but not your heart will simply get you nothing except a religious philosophy.

Poor souls they think they can save themselves by their good works and right beliefs.
---leej on 7/29/11


MarkV, Read HEBREWS 10:26-31. REALLY read what it's saying! "For if we sin wilfully (free-will choice, Mark!!!!) AFTER we have RECEIVED (not just "heard", but, RECEIVED) the Knowledge of the Truth, there remaineth no more Sacrifice for sins, But a CERTAIN...FEARFUL...LOOKING FOR OF...JUDGMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION (Hell and the Lake of Fire, GOD's Wrath expressed physically!), which shall (also) devour the adversaries." "...Of how much sorer Punishment...shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of GOD, and hath counted the Blood of the Covenant, WHEREWITH HE WAS SANCTIFIED (SAVED!!!!), an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of Grace (grieving the indwelling Holy Spirit!!!!)?"
---Gordon on 7/29/11




The difference between being a Buddhist and belonging to some cult is really a matter of degree in error, is it not?
---leej on 7/29/11

Interesting concept, but diametrically opposed, as their is no GOD in Buddhism. Just one's own logic.
Would you be a Buddhist Christian or a Christian Buddhist?

Revelation 3:16
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
---Trav on 7/29/11


JamesL, let me ask you this, looking at the parable of the 4 soils, Were they all saved? Just because someone claims to be a christian doesn't mean it's so. LeeJ is a Calvinist and his understanding of salvation is not the same as scripture teaches. He's saying the Elect can do anything they want and still be the elect.

Any you believe Genuine faith leading to persecution and suffering is an option you EXPECT to be rewarded for.

Let me ask you this, If there was no reward or inheritance as you think that means, would you NOW still suffer with Christ?

I would, because Jesus IS MY REWARD and INHERITANCE.
---kathr4453 on 7/29/11


Gordon, what blinds many is the doctrine of free will. As long as you hold on to that doctrine you will not believe in Salvation by Grace through faith. Once you are born again, you cannot be unborn again. You are immediately spiritually united into one body in Christ sealed and indwelled by the Spirit. No Scripture indicates this ever stops if you do anything wrong or sin. If you had a contrite heart, it means you were imputed the righteousness of Chist. There is no passage either that says, that imputation is ever removed because of your works after, since your works never saved you in the first place. People continue to believe in the works of man (free will) over the works of Christ that were sufficient to save you. Never your works.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/11


kathr//But that's US Leej, an ELECT Jew. So let me ask you this, you claim to be an elect Gentile correct? Why are your standards so much lower, bringing in heresy, so much so even JamesL is carried away by it?

1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face: now I know in part, but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Is it not simply a matter of how well we see thru that glass the truth that is of God?

Perhaps you fail why women should be silent in the church.

Ya, I know, you really do not want to accept what is written in Romans 9 preferring to the the captain of your own salvation.
---leej on 7/29/11


leslie ..leej - Once again you are WRONG and NOT lined up with the Bible. You can NOT be a Christian and a Buddist or any other religion, this is HERESY to God.

One does not become perfect in all areas of life when one becomes a new creation wrought by God's Spirit.

Your problem (and you have failed to read my entire blog) is you refuse to believe in the basic doctrine of sanctification - that God's Spirit works within the believer to bring him to perfection.

It is really the problem heretics have in believing one must be ones own savior and usurp the role of God's Spirit in the believer.

The difference between being a Buddhist and belonging to some cult is really a matter of degree in error, is it not?
---leej on 7/29/11


Romans 11:4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


The TRUE ELECT will never bend the knee to Baal Worship, Buddhist worship, or any other kind of worship of false gods and false religions......not even for a NY minute.

But that's US Leej, an ELECT Jew. So let me ask you this, you claim to be an elect Gentile correct? Why are your standards so much lower, bringing in heresy, so much so even JamesL is carried away by it?
---kathr4453 on 7/29/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Online Marketing


JamesL, Right now, on this side of Eternity, is the spiritual "bootcamp". If we pass bootcamp, then we are securely among the Ranks of Heaven. This is why the Path is called "Narrow". Because it's the Road less travelled. It's the least popular. Even though YAHUSHUA was perfectly loving, He was still a hated Man. Gee, how could that be? Because, Love is truly "Tough Love". Salvation is not something that's just fed to us with a silver spoon. There is a price that we, too, must pay. To deny ourselves and follow Him. Not only was YAHUSHUA crucified (for our Salvation), but, we have to crucify our flesh nature daily. But, the OSAS advocates do not believe that, nor teach it. Not correctly. They're in grave error.
---Gordon on 7/28/11


JamesL, One is saved from the ultimate Destruction (the Lake of Fire) IF they remain in CHRIST. If they backslide, then, and IF they return to CHRIST, So that, when they die, if they die in CHRIST and not in their sins, they are saved FROM Hell and the Lake of Fire which are the ultimate consequences of Sin and Rebellion. And, they have been saved from a life of sin, all unto GOD. Requiring one to be certain to strive for Holiness and to strive for sinlessness is part of the Salvation Package. The false doctrine of OSAS teaches that "no matter what one does, even if they lived a rebellious, sinful life, and even die that way, they are definitely going to Heaven. And, that is a Lie straight from Hell itself.
---Gordon on 7/28/11


JamesL, I'm confused. If one becomes saved and then becomes a Buddhist, wouldn't those warnings then be to depart from iniquity, for what does a christian have in common with the world, or pagan worship. You actually believe one can be saved and a buddhist too? Paul warned teh Gentiles not to go back in any way to their old pagan worship or ways.

WOW, what is going on here? or did I miss something. If one becomes saved and then goes back to the LAW, even that is insulting the Spirit of Grace. The Spirit of Grace is who unites us with Jesus in death and resurrection life..not with paganism. Even the law and Grace cannot work together, making grace VIOD but you say Grace and Buddhism can work together?
---kathr4453 on 7/28/11


Gordon,

I have never said that God is only interested in saving someone from hell.

But, can you define the word 'saved' for us?

And can you tell us exactly what someone is 'saved' from?

Because you seem to think that 'saved' means 'potentially' saved and not 'actually' saved

And can you tell us exactly what someone who calls himself a savior might do?
---James_L on 7/28/11


Read These Insightful Articles About VoIP Service


Kathr,
I agreee with Leej on this issue.

your belief just negated all the warnings in the New Testament against falling away, apostacy, disobedience, immaturity, etc.

Are all those warnings written to "professing" Christians? You know those who think they are saved but are really unsaved?

I wasn't aware that there was so much scripture written to unsaved people
---James_L on 7/28/11


leej, You are wrong here.

Thou shall have no other God's before me.

You may not believe that that commandment still stands, however it does. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of WISDOM, and that wisdom is in Christ. That WISDOM drives home with fear " thou shall have no other gods before me."

You can't be crucified with Christ being conformed to His image all the while practicing Buddism...

Here would be a case of faith without works/evidence of a true faith.


Hebrews 6 says it best....they can' produce anything but thorns and thistles...ready for cursing!

If you really understood the Cross in reality you would recant!
---kathr4453 on 7/28/11


Leslie,
I agree with you that God will judge everyone for their actions, words and even idle thoughts.

But where we disagree is on the outcome of that judgment.

People who doen't believe in Jesus will be judged by their works and condemned to hell, right?

But you also think those who believe in Christ will be judged by their works, and some condemend to hell.

SO if one can go to hell regardless of whether he believes in Jesus, what's the point of believing in Him?

Apparently it means nothing to you.

But Jesus promised eternal life to those who believe IN Him.

He also said there will be a strict judgment where there will be many rewards lost.
---James_L on 7/28/11


leej - Once again you are WRONG and NOT lined up with the Bible. You can NOT be a Christian and a Buddist or any other religion, this is HERESY to God. The Bible says there is ONLY ONE way to God and Heaven (salvation) and that is ONLY Jesus Christ (John 14:6). In other words being a Buddist or anything else will NOT get you into Heaven, but ONLY Hell.
---Leslie on 7/28/11


Send a Free Online Ecard


Gordon, you said,

There are Christians, RIGHT NOW, who are living in sin, who WERE saved, but, they backslid into sin and carelessness and are now headed for Hell, if they don't repent."

You think they are all Christians. Assumption are not facts. Sure there are some who fall back from the faith, but they are children of God and God will chasten all who are His. No one is perfect in the flesh, and God knows that, that is why He corrects us. There is also many who look like great Christians on the outside you would think they are very holy, but appearance is not facts, in their homes, they are the devil himself. Don't judge by looks. Only God knows who is saved.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/11


//So If I accept christ, then become a buddist I will still be saved?
---francis on 7/28/11
If the Holy Spirit has come to indwell you at your spritual birth, yes, you may become a buddhist and still be saved. In fact, one may also be a Seventh Day Adventist- a denominations filled with many unturths and still be a Christian. It is doubtful that the direction of your life will be in the direction of those religions as there will be a continual war with your beliefs and those of the HolySpirit.

The Holy Spirit is in the sanctification business and His scrumb brush may be harsh on you.
---leej on 7/28/11


So If I accept christ, then become a buddist I will still be saved?
---francis on 7/28/11


Kathr4453 & James L - 1st Kathr4453 - Have you repented (confessed and turned from your sins)? If not, the blood of Christ has not erased your sins, and to God you still have those sins (1 John 1:9). 2nd James L - Have you read (Ecclesiastes 12:14, Romans 1:18-32, 2:5-16, Hebrews 9:27) and there are many more that say that God WILL judge EVERYONE. Looks to me like you both are the hypocrites here, considering you go with your own opinions (which are WRONG) rather than the Bible.
---Leslie on 7/28/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Settlements


JamesL, GOD is not JUST interested in saving people from Hell. He wants us also to be free from living in sin. He wants the sin out of our lives. And, He wants us to actively follow Him and HIS Holy ways. YES, we are saved ULTIMATELY from Hell and the Lake of Fire, but, we first must be walking on the Narrow Path of Love, Truth, Righteousness and Holiness. Living in sin, and allowing yourself to sin and think that it's, well, "okay" 'cause it's all "covered by the Blood", is trampling on the Blood of CHRIST. And counting it as a common thing. There are Christians, RIGHT NOW, who are living in sin, who WERE saved, but, they backslid into sin and carelessness and are now headed for Hell, if they don't repent.
---Gordon on 7/28/11


Gordon, when you say "we" in your answer is seems to me you are saying believers. Are you?
Because most of what you said is true for believers. Hebrew 6 is speaking of those Jews who knew the basics, obedience. Yet under the law they were dead works. The writer of Hebrews is telling them to move forward now that they know the basics, because under the Law no one is saved. Repentance from dead works is turning away from evil deeds that bring death. They were trying to fulfill the law. Under the New Covenant, however, repentance toward God is coupled with "Faith in our Lord Jesus Christ" Acts 20:21. Christ's atoning sacrifice saves from "dead works"
---Mark_V. on 7/28/11


MarkV, How is walking in Obedience, Holiness and the Repentance of Sin against what GOD expects from His people? Without Holiness, no man shall see the LORD (HEBREWS 12:14). We are to keep and obey the Commandments of GOD (I CORINTHIANS 7:19, I JOHN 2:4 and I JOHN 5:2). So, If we REALLY love GOD, we will obey His Commandments (MATTHEW 19:17, JOHN 14:15). That is a STIPULATION. If we do not obey Him, we are not really HIS. Walking in Holiness is a Commandment (spelled out in the 10 Commandments. Which hang on the 2 Greatest Commandments: MATTHEW 22:40). Denying the flesh and daily crucifying the flesh nature is expected in order to enter Heaven (ROMANS 8:13, GALATIANS 5:24). But, this can only be available by Faith in the Blood of YAHUSHUA.
---Gordon on 7/27/11


Leslie,

I agree with Kathr that you are a hypocrite. Even by your own doctrine, you are not saved.

Your doctrine has no such thing as someone being saved. What are you saved from? apparently nothing if you think it's still possible to go to hell.

If you think you're saved from hell, and it is still possible to go there, then you must be trying to serve an ineffective, two-bit wanna-be savior that leaves the burden on you.

I, however, belive in the One who was counted worthy to open the scrolls because He was slain, and by His blood He ransomed me for God (Rev 5:9).
---James_L on 7/27/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Internet Services


\\James L....You say that God is just loving and forgiving and will not judge\\
---Leslie on 7/27/11

You got a quote for that one, Leslie? I said that?!?

I want you to put it in quotation marks with the date I said anything like that.

You won't find it, because that is a flat-out lie. I don't appreciate you lying about what I have said, Leslie.

What do you think God has to say to you lying about me?
---James_L on 7/27/11


(your god is a figment of your imagination and does not exist).
---Leslie on 7/27/11

Leslie, is that your personal opinion or what you believe. What a hypocrite.

The reason I won't be judged for sin is because sin has already been judged IN CHRIST. He took my judgement and wrath. He stood in place of my judgement, for my sin.

Now you want to say there is double jeopardy? Not even in our legal system.

You simply do not understand what happened at calvary, and you Leslie are the one who is out in the cold.

Let NO MAN trouble me, for I too bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus Christ..what you bare is your ignorance.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/11


Ruben, I believe the verse you are referring to in Luke refers to this:

1 Peter 2:25
For ye were as sheep going astray, but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

No one was ever born Righteous in their Fathers house that never strayed or sinned but Jesus Christ. Yet the self-righteous unloving lost first son certainly does not represent Jesus Christ. The first son just may represent the pharisees, and the second prodigal son may represent those in Israel who truly were God's first born represent the repentant Jews.

For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God...the first son just never got it.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/11


Ruben re:James 2:24 Now that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

As a matter of fact it is only the faith that produces good works that justifies, and good works, therefore, as the proper expression of the nature of faith, foreseen by God as the certain result of faith, and actually as seen by performed men, are necessary in order to justification.

For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. eph. 2:8-1-

Scripture as a rule should be interpreted by scripture, the plain to the complex.
---leej on 7/27/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Online Stores


James L, Kathr4453, and leej - I can tell that none of you are really saved. How do I know this, you all go with your personal opinions rather than the Bible. Leej - The Bible says that "Christians" can be judged by God and go to Hell (Ecclesiastes 12:14, Ezekiel 3:18-21, Romans 1:18-32, 2:5-16, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Revelation 20:15, 21:8). You say that God is just loving and forgiving and will not judge, but the Bible says God is also just and holy - in doing this, you commit idolatry (your god is a figment of your imagination and does not exist).
---Leslie on 7/27/11


all tells us that we must continually add works to faith in order to be saved! ---Ruben on 7/27/11

Hold on there a minute. Let us reason this out.

In James, faith is the item being measured. As I have said before, TRUE faith is an action on a belief and faith is a work in itself. In James, the works only prove that the faith is TRUE faith. If the faith is not TRUE faith, it is only head-knowledge or belief.

So the works are a product of the faith, not added to it. The works are produced by having TRUE faith.

Your statement that we must add works is erroneous. You WILL have works if your faith is TRUE.

Remember, works are the same thing as fruit. So you will bear fruit if your faith is TRUE.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/27/11


Ruben, Does that verse say my son was once alive, then died then is alive again?

I don't believe that verse teaches one can get saved lose salvation, get saved, lose it, get saved again, lose it .....
---kathr4453 on 7/26/11

Kathr,

"for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again ,"(LK 15:32)

How can you be alive again? You had to be alive at sometime in your life!
---Ruben on 7/27/11


Gordon, A-men brother. A place where there is no AntiChrist nor AntiGod people, a place where there is no burglary, robbery, kidnapping, extortion, lying, taking, maligning, dissing, blaspheming, bad name-calling, hurting, hitting, punching, smacking, spitting, kicking. A place where there is no sin, sickness, nor dying, no tears nor sorrow nor loss. But a place of unspeakable joy where all truly love one another, all doors are open, and the lion lays down with the lamb, and the child places by the hole of the asp, no violence nor terror in our home, but we commune with Jesus at his table, walking in his glory for all eternity.
---Eloy on 7/27/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Business Training


mima* "those that believe there will be condemnation for believers (read Romans 8:1) such as those who reject our security in Christ, do not have even a clue about how deep God's love is for those who are born again by His Spirit.

Those who continue reading Romans 8 tells us why there "is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus". "For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die: but if by the Spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh, you shall live." v13..
---Ruben on 7/27/11


Those that think God is not faithful in His word, really have a salvation by works or religion belief."
---leej on 7/26/11
---mima on 7/27/11

In Jesus teaching of parables of the unfaithful servants, the ten virgins,the talents, and the sheep and the goats , all tells us that we must continually add works to faith in order to be saved! Let's not forget James 2:24 "Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?"

Now who really is not faithful to God and his words?
---Ruben on 7/27/11


Eloy, again you said "we" and didn't define "we." All those who have a choice to do right for Christ and against in their lives is because they are free from the bondage of the Law. The unbelievers do not believe in Christ so they cannot do anything for Christ. They have no choice but to do against Christ for they don't know Him or believe by faith in Him. Believers are been change day after day by the Holy Spirit. You again don't believe this because you think you are sinless. But God only saves sinners of which you are if you are saved. By your standards a person can become born again over and over. No such thing in Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/11


Hebrews 4:11 ... fall ...
Hebrews 6:6, Speaks of renewing to repentance. After having been so exalted as, "enlightened", "tasted of the heavenly gift",
..., "and the powers of the world to come". Only God can reclaim that one.
Not perfected, "whose end is to be burned."?
What perfection?
1Cor.13
2Pet.1
Lay a hold of this Heb.10:22_31, before laying claim to Heb. 10:39. Christ did not give tittles and descriptors, rather a new life.
Even,
Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
---Nana on 7/27/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Software


In this answer is great truth.

"those that believe there will be condemnation for believers (read Romans 8:1) such as those who reject our security in Christ, do not have even a clue about how deep God's love is for those who are born again by His Spirit.

Those that think God is not faithful in His word, really have a salvation by works or religion belief."
---leej on 7/26/11
---mima on 7/27/11


FRANK and ELOY, For those in Heaven who will be rewarded...knowing you chose the Goodly Path and not that of Sin and Rebellion has to make those Rewards that much sweeter and precious. Of course, YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST) is the Greatest Reward, but, the Pleasures of Heaven will be wonderful nonetheless. Something to look forward to. :-)
---Gordon on 7/27/11


Eloy, what you and Gordon are doing is promoting what the Jews were doing in the context of Hebrews 6. This Jews were practicing salvation by works of the law. They need to go to Perfection which is only through Christ. The elementary principles of Christ in (v. 1) are the "oracles of God" mentioned in ( 5:12). which refers to the O.T. teaching. That was only the beginning for them. "Repentance of dead works" was an O.T. form of repentance ( Ezek. 18:4: Rom. 6:23) Under the New Covenant, however, "Repentance toward God" is couple with faith in our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21) Christ atoning sacrifice saves from "Dead works" ( V. 9:14: John 14:6).
---Mark_V. on 7/27/11


Gordon, Amen brother. We are commonly faced with many choices every day: either to choose proChrist or else proSin, proRight or else proWrong, and no amount of excuses excuse the guilty of their knowledgable and voluntary choice of choosing sinuousness over righteousness.
---Eloy on 7/26/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Advertising


\\it does speak about losing your salvation, by turning your back on God and going your own way.\\
---Leslie on 7/25/11

Where do you find this nonsense, Leslie?

If you read Hebrews 6:4-6 in context, there is an exhortation to move on from elementary teachings, then a warning for those who "fall away"

That means falling away from GRACE back to the Law for righteousness.

Paul addressed this in Galatians "having begun by the Spirit, are you now made perfect in the flesh?"

Maturity comes through being conformed to the image of Christ through SUFFERING. Those Hebrew believers thought a steady confession of Christ brought too much suffering, so they went back to the LAW.
---James_L on 7/26/11


Kathr4453 - I noticed you used the phase "I believe". Are you God? We should NOT be going with our beliefs, but ONLY with what the Bible says, or we are in idolatry saying we know more than God.
---Leslie on 7/26/11

Leslie, I BELIEVE Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God who died for my sin. Am I God to say that I BELIEVE this? Is God a sinner that He has to profess His faith in His own Son? That's MY personal profession of faith. I hope you can profess what you believe and die for what you believe in.

Ruben, Does that verse say my son was once alive, then died then is alive again?

I don't believe that verse teaches one can get saved lose salvation, get saved, lose it, get saved again, lose it .....
---kathr4453 on 7/26/11


those that believe there will be condemnation for believers (read Romans 8:1) such as those who reject our security in Christ, do not have even a clue about how deep God's love is for those who are born again by His Spirit.

Those that think God is not faithful in His word, really have a salvation by works or religion belief.
---leej on 7/26/11


No one can get saved, and lose their salvation to get saved AGAIN. Here proves that truth.

--kathr4453 on 7/26/11

And here prove that you can be saved, lose your salavtion and be saved again:

Luke 15:(12),24 "Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me.... For this my son was dead, and is alive again, he was lost, and is found."
---Ruben on 7/26/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Eating Disorders


Gordon,
True, there is no condemnation to those in Christ. But when a righteous man turn from his righteousness his good deeds shall not be remembered.
Paul did not lie when he said Titus and Demas had forsaken him having loved this world. When an Apostle says someone fell away as it is written must happen before the day of the Lord is is not good to call him a liar.
This teaching that one cannot lose their salvation is going to have many with innocent blood on their hands. The blood of those who lost their fear and turned back will be required of them. The Lord even said that any man having put his hand to the plow and looking back is not fit for the kingdom of God.
---Frank on 7/26/11


Romans 8:1 does indeed say,
"there is now NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in YAHUSHUA (JESUS)" and Bible scholars say that it does not continue on in the oldest manuscripts of Scripture.

The fear of the Lord after salvation is very unsettling and for that reason rest in the Lord is impossible for many.
---mima on 7/26/11


Frank, ABSOLUTELY. The (false) doctrine of OSAS does, indeed, take away the "fear of the LORD", which is the beginning of Wisdom. The proper Fear of the LORD is knowing how HE is able to take vengeance on all sin. Whether it be the sin of the heathen or the sins of the His people. Sin is sin. And, all sin brings death. There is no such thing as "christian sin". If a Christian sins, he has made himself a slave to sin, unless he repents. ROMANS 8:1 says there is now NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in YAHUSHUA (JESUS) who walk NOT after the flesh, but, who are walking after the (HOLY) SPIRIT. There is a stipulation there.
---Gordon on 7/26/11


ELOY, Good points! What do these people, who believe in OSAS, think that "backsliding" means?! What does it really mean to them?! "Oh, well, just a little, well, you know, slipping away from God. Just, well, you know, kinda just gettin' outta fellowship with God. an...." Well, NO. It means getting into sin, into direct rebellion against GOD and into following your own fleshly, sinful nature. Following the flesh nature ALWAYS ends in spiritual death, unless repented of! Without Holiness NO MAN will (even) see the LORD. And, it's not "imputed" Holiness. It's Holiness lived out on a daily basis by the Strength of the Holy Spirit.
---Gordon on 7/26/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Travel Packages


Kathr4453 - I noticed you used the phase "I believe". Are you God? We should NOT be going with our beliefs, but ONLY with what the Bible says, or we are in idolatry saying we know more than God.
---Leslie on 7/26/11


I believe Hebrews 6 tells us one can resist the Holy Spirit. If you read carefully, you will see it is impossible to crucify the Lord to yourself AGAIN.

Interesting little nugget of truth here. Those who are Crucified with Christ bring forth FRUIT. Those who have not bring forth what? ready for what?

No one can get saved, and lose their salvation to get saved AGAIN. Here proves that truth.

It also shows there is no such thing as irresistable grace. One can reject the Holy Spirit who identified us with Jesus in death and resurrection life and yet still believe they are saved. The evidence will show they are not.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/11


Since we already are aware of the one and only 'SIN SACRIFICE' (the Jesus doctrine/gospel).......then, if we return ourselves to the 'SIN DOCTRINE' of Moses, we are willfully ("DELIBERATELY") letting the old 'Moses law' make us spiritually impure.

Hebrews chapter 6 is explaining in more detail that without the sin sacrifice, the condition of spiritual cleanliness is impossible. We must return to the safety of Our Lord as our ONLY FOUNDATION. Our new "MATURE" devotion/worship will now be BETTER (more PERSONAL) because it will no longer be based on a performance of righteous deeds, our devotion will now be based on the "better things" that "BELONG TO salvation" (verse 9).
---more_excellent_way on 7/26/11


Obedience and Salvation is a choice just as disobedience and sin is a choice, so "Yes a person can lose their salvation absolutely, it is called backsliding:" for many people substitute sin for salvation. To read what the Bible conveys about backsliding, Please Read- Isaiah 59:2, Jeremiah 2:19-22, II Peter 2:21,22.
---Eloy on 7/25/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Credit Repair


According to the word Titus and Demas left Paul having loved this world. The Lord used them and he does not use that which has not been tried. The word also says that day shall not come lest there first come a great falling away. The parable of the demons going int the swine that turn back to their wallowing in the mire.
The once saved always saved doctrine removes the need of servinf God in fear and leads to people falling away without even knowing it.
To fall one must stand (in faith) first. Many recrucify Christ and do not even believe that they can through the wrong doctrinal beliefs.
---Frank on 7/25/11


CHRISTAN, HEBREWS 6:4-6 is saying that it is impossible to renew someone to repentance if they fall away. Different lives will vary.
---Gordon on 7/25/11


leej - You are CORRECT, it does speak about losing your salvation, by turning your back on God and going your own way.
---Leslie on 7/25/11


One of the hardest things for people to believe is, The Word of God, Christ!

Its like God is telling you I am forgiving you come home!
But something somewhere is telling you this is not true.
So, your own brothers and sisters are trying to close the door in your face.

Thinking they are do the work of God. In things, saying you must do this or that.
When by now you must know you can do nothing. Because it not in your hands!
So, instead of raising the word of God(Christ) above everything.

For just! As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up! Eph_1:21

You dont, you put the law before God!
---TheSeg on 7/25/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Products


Strongly agree with Christan and James_L.

Great job brethren. Could not have stated it better myself.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/25/11


Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Christian

Half posts only convey half a point.
In its entirety it reads it is impossible for those who fall away to be restored again.
The restoration is the subject impossible is a supporting clause.

This debate is as old as AD time, for those who wish to chance it more power to you.

I'm not willing to risk it.
---paul on 7/25/11


Hebrews 6 implies loss of "salvation" if one already believes that way.

what it actually says is that if a born again believer falls away from grace,

which means to go back to the Law for righteousness,

then it impossible to change that person's mind again concerning Christ.

Verse 7-8 compare the man to ground that may or may not bear good fruit.

If it bears thorns and thistles, it is burned, and it is CLOSE to being accursed.

Now I will say that "salvation" to most people means salvation from hell, but Hebrews uses "salvation" of our inheritance, which is gained through suffering with Christ, which some of those Hebrew believers weren't willing to do
---James_L on 7/25/11


NO, salvation has been DONE/accomplished (it cannot be undone). Jesus did PERMANENT "works" on the cross (the "works of God").

LIKEWISE, the Ten commandments HAPPENED and are part of HISTORY, no one will ever be able to say they did not EXIST, but they no longer APPLY to the TRUE worshipper (Ephesians 2:15).

Hebrews 6 talks about the APOSTATE devotion (the WORSHIPFUL glorification/love of MAN instead of GOD ONLY, "FOR GOD IS NOT SO UNJUST", Hebrews 6:10). The chapter says that we must "move on" to have a BETTER DEVOTION based on a 'LOVE RELATIONSHIP' with GOD, and also that instead of a 'sin repentance' FOUNDATION, our ONLY foundation should be the JESUS gospel "doctrine of Christ".
---more_excellent_way on 7/25/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Divorce


Hebrews 6:4, "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost"

Scripture declares "it is impossible" so the answer is NO!

God declares that He loves His people and died for their sins. Salvation is a promise by God and will be fulfilled by Him. And to support Hebrews 6:4, Paul declared,

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38,39
---christan on 7/25/11


We've already received the "knowledge of the truth" (gospel). If we REVERT (go back) to having a REPENTANCE FOUNDATION instead, we can no longer be restored to SPIRITUAL CLEANLINESS/purity, Hebrews 10:26. And no longer should we have a simple 'belief faith' "TOWARD" God, but we should have a "FAITH FOR FAITH", Romans 1:17.

We must always retain the "Jesus doctrine" FOR SALVATION, but not as our LOVE RELATIONSHIP (a "MATURE" LOVE FOR GOD). Unlike the Hebrew people, we now have 'COMPLETE GOD' because of this doctrine.
2 John verse 9 (move "ahead" to "solid food") "he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son" (God's SPIRIT came WITH JESUS).
---more_excellent_way on 7/25/11


Yes indeed, lit.Gk: "No power for them once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift. and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, and fell away, to further renew in correction: for thmeselves over-crucify the Son of God, indeed deriding publicly. Now bearing thorns and thistles not acceptable, but a curse comes, which the end onto burning." Hb.6:4-6,8.
---Eloy on 7/25/11


No, Chritianity pertains to the body of Christ, it's plain to see, simply by the name of the book, who this is written to.
---michael_e on 7/25/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Marriage


Hebrews 6 implies at least that someone can lose out on something if he apostatizes. It doesn't say salvation specifically. Salvation includes everybody. But being part of the kingdom in the age to come doesn't include everybody. :-)
---John.usa on 7/24/11


If a little child is with Daddy, on his lap so loving and appreciating being with Daddy, does the child ask Daddy how he or she could stop being Daddy's child? Is this the kind of thing you think about while you are intimately sharing with your loving Father?
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/24/11


Turn your back on God and find out.
---Paul on 7/24/11


Copyright© 1996-2015 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.