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What are we to make of recent events in Norway?

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No:8 post attempt.
kathr:
Your posts overwhelmingly prove your a liberal/Leftie
But thanks for your post about most Jews being Lefties.
I didn't know that. It explains why the Leftists false accusations of "anti-Semite" is one of their favorite propaganda chants.
---Haz27 on 7/31/11

Interesting Haz. She claims to be a jew.
Also interesting that most jews that claim to be jews/Judah, cannot prove it. It's amazing no one ever challenges them to prove it either! ha. Just give em some more money, the poor ole anti-Christ jews.
The marks of Esau who tries to imitate or adopt Judahs place is obvious once one is scripturally aware of Esau.
What a bunch of sheep are. Lost Sheep. Matt 15:24, 10:6.
---Trav on 8/1/11


James 2, I don't see kathr cornered in any way. Obviously you do. I do see haz27 trying to corner into promoting hatred.

What I also see are that Jews, once being the victims of hate crimes are not usually involved in this sort of rhetoric coming from haz27's lips.

I also do not see Christian Jews, and Christians alike dealing in the same evil for evil playground.

God is patient hoping all will come to repentance, not all Christians taking up arms and hatred, becoming xenophobics.
---James on 8/1/11


Here we have a professed Christian on line so brainwashed in Politics that he is spewing out his hatred for multicultural people, namely Islams. My understanding too is that the majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are from Nationalists not Islam.

I don't know about other Christians, but I sure want nothing to do with any Fanatical Right Winged BIGOTS who have their own agenda for Ethnic cleansing. Their NAZI's now just wanting to cleanse the world of Islam correct, like cowards hiding behind Zionism, believing the majority of Christians support.

Yet Breivik never professed to be a Christian. The scarry part is that Haz27 does.

And who denies this perversion of Right winged Patriotic Christianity exists donna66?
---kathr4453 on 8/1/11


Here's a little History about Australia:

In the early twentieth century, Muslims of non-European descent experienced many difficulties in emigrating to Australia because of a government policy which limited immigration on the basis of links with Great Britain and Ireland. Known as the White Australia Policy, politicians of the era claimed that non-white immigrants would cause social disharmony.

Get it...WHITE VS NON WHITE!!
Some DO call this racist! Certainly racial profiling.

Also read about middle eastern peoples in Australia. Many are Christians. And many Islamic people came to Australis and traded with the natives long before the English came.
---kathr4453 on 8/1/11


AKA, Great insight on 1 Kings 10:14. I've often wondered about the 666 Connection here, as the only other place using this EXACT language.

And we all should understand that ALL these things happening today are leading to this end time. Unfortunately many cannot stand back and look at the whole picture...
---kathr4453 on 8/1/11




Haz27, why are you filled with so much hate and anger? I see you are exacly what you accuse kathr of being? Just because one does not hate Islam or her people would not make one a Lefty.

Can you show in scripture we are to hate anyone? The pharisees hated Jesus and accused Him of talking to tax-collectors, harlots, and sinners.

How can you possibly share the Gospel with those you openly hate? Or do you believe these are not worthy of hearing the Gospel? You don't think they would smell that all over you.

You have a dark heart. We are to be a light in this world. Darkness can only be attracted to darkness.
---Laura on 8/1/11


Thanks James_2. I also noted Trav's post to James as well.
I'm sure James will out himself soon if he's a Leftie.

James: What is a Conservative Zionist that you accuse me of being? Being that I'm not into these things I don't really know what your saying.

What I do know is that many people around the world have complained about political correctness and the Humanist/Leftist thought control we see through mainstream media, education etc.
These also were concerns Breivik had.
Are you really saying you aren't aware of this? It's been an ongoing issue for at least 20 Years.
---Haz27 on 8/1/11


Haz27, as you can see other names who hardly answer pop up in support of kathr when she is cornered, what does that tell you about who those persons are? Think.
---James_2 on 7/31/11


James:
see kathr post 7/31/11 for your answer.

Kathr:
There you go again. Your Leftist attacks against those who share the same valid beliefs/concerns as Breivik did. And you can't differentiate these commonly held beliefs from his extremists beliefs because you are an extremist Leftie.
You toss it all into one basket for you to express your hate mongering at.

Example: According to your Leftie logic Japan and South Korea are racist.

I noted your ok with all those politically correct evils that are imposed here in Australia that I listed earlier.
Are you going to come out of the closet now and admit your a politically correct Leftie?
---Haz27 on 7/31/11


kathr:
Like I said before your hate for Breivik is such that you cant differentiate between his valid commonly accepted beliefs/concerns and his resorting to killing Labor party members as a solution.
Haz27//

Is that what they are...VALID commonly accepted beliefs? Or YOUR BELIEFS?

I'm not from Norway Haz27, I live in America. We had the Unibomber here, and yep. I hate that people are so lost in this world system, that they believe the ONLY HOPE they have is in fixing the world...their way...mass murder style...AKA.Terrorism..isn't that what it's called?

Maybe you just came out of your closet Haz27. Stay away from me...you're SICK!
---kathr4453 on 7/31/11




haz27, I can not find anything said from kathr that most Jews are lefties, or that she agrees with lefty Jews. May I ask you to show us where that was said?

What I do hear you saying here is you are a Conservative Zionist, just as
Breivik admits he is.

Any you believe most everyone believes as he does? Can you show any facts and statistics on this issue?

Should we be concerned with more massacres on humanity over Zionism?
---James on 7/31/11


No:8 post attempt.
kathr:
Your posts overwhelmingly prove your a liberal/Leftie and yet you hide from this label. Come out of the closet kathr!!

But thanks for your post about most Jews being Lefties. I didn't know that. It explains why the Leftists false accusations of "anti-Semite" is one of their favorite propaganda chants.

Very decietful though. And you follow their same propaganda tactics. Kathr your digging yourself into a bigger and bigger hole.

And your claim of not being political is clearly false. You clearly look Left and only look Right to chant Leftist propaganda attacks on.

---Haz27 on 7/31/11


Along with Cluny, I do not believe that, central as the temple is to freemasonry, they have any aims to literally rebuild the temple.
It would be an interesting idea, though, considering that a high percentage of Freemasons are of the Jewish faith.

To associate the Knights Templar with "dominionism" or the "American Patriot" movement seems quite strange to me. And Breiviks' concern was with Eastern Europe, Norway in particular, NOT the internal workings of American government which is the concern of "American Patriots".
---Donna66 on 7/31/11


Post Attempt No:7
kathr:
Like I said before your hate for Breivik is such that you cant differentiate between his valid commonly accepted beliefs/concerns and his resorting to killing Labor party members as a solution.

Multicultrualism is a failure according to many world leaders and citizens.

Here in Australia there is much racism from the ethnic minorities. Most notable the Sydney riots where racist Lebanese attacked others.

Then of course we see the banning of Christmas celebrations whenever there are concerns it will offend Muslims etc.

And preachers etc speak cautiously for fear of being sued by some Muslim under Religious vilifictaion laws.

And you think this is good?
---Haz27 on 7/31/11


We expect the support of all cultural ,conservative Jews in OUR future consolidation efforts, he writes"

OK Here is the differences:

The Anti-Zionism that characterized Reform Judaism throughout much of its history subsided somewhat with the Holocaust in Europe and the later successes of the modern state of Israel. The belief in the return of the Jews to the Temple in Jerusalem is not part of mainstream Reform Judaism.



Conservative Judaism believes in a Messiah and in a rebuilt Temple.

Orthodox Jews believe in the rebuilding of the Temple but not UNLIL the Messiah comes.
---kathr4453 on 7/31/11


"The traditions and romance of King Solomon's Temple are of great interest to everyone who reads the Bible. They are of transcendent importance to Masons. The Temple is the outstanding symbol in Masonry, and the legendary story of the building of the Temple is the fundamental basis of the Masonic rule and guide for conduct in life ... The cream of Masonic historical and philosophical writing has been drawn upon for his description of the Temple and its relation to Masonic ritual." [The Holy Bible: The Great Light In Masonry", King James Version, Temple Illustrated Edition, A.J. Holman Company, 1968, Forward entitled, "The Bible and King Solomon's Temple in Masonry", by John Wesley Kelchner].
---kathr4453 on 7/31/11


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Haz27, are you a Mason, trying to obscure the real issues here? Or are you still ignorant of what Breivik really stands for.

,"Like most of Israels new far-right friends, Breivik has nothing but contempt for the majority of Jewish people, who tend to be overwhelmingly liberal. Addressing his fellow violent European nationalists, he urges, [P]lease learn the difference between a nation-wrecking multiculturalist Jew and a conservative JewNever target a Jew because he is a Jew, but rather because he is a category A or B traitor. Nevertheless, hes very clear that he views the Jewish right as a partner. We expect the support of all cultural conservative Jews in our future consolidation efforts, he writes"
---kathr4453 on 7/31/11


While there is a masonic group called Knights Templar, it has no relationship with the original Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon (to give it its full name).

Furthermore, there is nothing to stop anyone from forming an organization and calling it anything he wishes, including Knights Templar.

The masonic group has no intention of rebuilding the Temple in Jerusalem.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/31/11


//...GENTLES [and judaizers] wanting to reuild Solomons Temple,... end times dominionism when anti-christ takes the throne...The rebuilding of Solomons Temple, pretending to be God. This temple if rebuilt...//

1Ki 10:14 only other place in bible...witness...look how much money is streaming in from outside sources in the name of aiding Israel. halo effect for solomon and judaizers in Jerusalem.

One greater than Solomon...look how many are turning away from the ultimate sacrifice already foretold and supplied...father, son...abraham, Isaac...God and Jesus. and turning to animal sacrifice. backslide.

false temple will be raised by pretenders... and will be razed when One greater than Solomon returns.
---aka on 7/31/11


In doing more research, I did find something very interesting. Today's Knghts Templers are freemasons. What i found is that the highest secrets, are not really for doing good for humaniity, but actually to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. If this is a fact, GENTLES wanting to reuild Solomons Temple, ( along with Breivik love for Israel and Zionism, along with Norway's hatred now of Israel, when once a staunch supporter of Israel, only leads me to my first conclusion of end times dominionism when anti-christ takes the throne...The rebuilding of Solomons Temple, pretending to be God. This temple if rebuilt will not be the one Christ will one day sit in.

So I conclude here. Haz27, I don't look left or right but streight ahead and up!
---kathr4453 on 7/31/11


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donna66,

Much of the Christian patriot movement disrespects government leaders and authority that scripture says were put there by God. We are told to pray for our leaders, we are not to make railing accusations.

I'm not a Leftie but I am educated.
---James on 7/30/11

You're a good guy James. Just don't want you behind me in any kind of trial.
You made broad statements that reveal that you are educated. I would call it indoctrinated. Before you get all huffy. This was a GOD-ly Government we are to support 1 Cor, 2nd Peter. Not the anti-Christ we have in place now.

You honor them in error. In our system the people choose...supposedly. You're acceptance is a choice.
---Trav on 7/31/11


kathr:
It's hard to know where to start.
I confront your obvious hatred and you now deny your hate claiming you are loving instead??
You argue in political Leftist worldy thinking and then accuse me of being worldly.
In the past I even confronted you on your judging others here as being unsaved and yet I noticed you confront others on CN for doing what you do.

You can imagine how confusing it is debating with such a self-contradictory person.
---Haz27 on 7/31/11


It's hard to HATE a crazy person. And truly I don't understand the kid from Norway's politics or what was going on in his head. I know here in America we are and have always been a multicultural society. New York was the first multicultrial society. We've certainly had our issues, but this is how and what America is made up of.

Norway is/was 97% blond hair blue eye people. SO, my stupidity thought maybe a country with 97% blond hair blue eye people (one) might complain about multiculturalism of the labor party allowing non blond hair blue eye people into the country.

I did look up Japan ans S Korea...yep, they have racial issues too, just like the rest of the world does.
---kathr4453 on 7/31/11


Haz27, rarely will you find Christians who are not politically motivated, but CHRIST motivated. So because I can have compassion on ALL HUMANITY, as well as ALL SINNERS, no matter what, that makes me a liberal leftie? I do suppose Jesus would be accused of that too. He took no political stance, and said LOVE your neighbor as yourself, no matter who that neighbor was, and said to LIVE as much in peace with all men as possible.

This kid from Norway wasn't saved Haz27, still driven by this evil world and worldly politics, YOU AGREE WITH...HUMMM, WORLDLY HAZ27. IF Christ had been his life, this wouldn't have happened. Only the LOST in this world are filled with HATE for others.

COLOSSIANS 3:1-4
---kathr4453 on 7/31/11


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"The confessed Norway attacker Anders Behring Breivik says he intended to send a "wake up call" to Europe, which he sees as being taken over by Muslims. The attacks are raising tensions about immigration and multiculturalism in Europe."
News article

Which I understand his interest in the Knights Templers who infact killed muslims during the Crusades.

BUT,
Are Muslims for abortion? Are Muslims the CAUSE of abortion in Norway blamed on the Labor Party?

Sorry, but haz27, I just don't follow your marrying the two together here.

Two entirely different issues.
---kathr4453 on 7/31/11


kathr:
Politically correct Leftists are not easily reasoned with. Even when contrary evidence is right in front of their noses they still stubbornly chant "racist", etc.

Perhaps its this attitude that makes you feel your freedom of speech is threatened. After all political correctness is the dominant doctrine in the mainstream media etc. I can imagine Leftists would feel threatened when challenged in one of the few forums like CN where political correctness does not dominate.

Your claim of being a victim is unfounded when it's your Leftist/humanist mates who are the ruling tyranny.
---Haz27 on 7/31/11


kathr--The Knights Templar is part of the modern day Masonic order. They do not, today, hold to any of the sentiments of the Church during the 2000's or the Crusades.

Historically, they responded to the take-over of Jerusalem by Mohammedens.
Most people are interested in them because they alledgedly "rescued" the Ark of the Covenant to some unknown location along with certain relics of the Church.
This history is usually what inspires delusions among those who are so inclined.
---donna66 on 7/31/11


Haz27, As far as freedom of speech and opinion here, it seems you're the one offended by what I said totally negating your own comment about the repressiveness of Political correctness. YOU have asaulted me for saying what I said, not for NOT saying what I said.

Who's practicing the tyranny of political correctness now? If you were the political correctness police, you'd be here at my house arresting me this minute.

If you really believed what you said, you'd just answer, no Kat, I disagree, It's not racism. And I would answer back, WELL, maybe you are correct and I am wrong. But you went into attacking not only me but Donna5665 with abortion. DID he murder because of abortion? OR was that just something YOU interjected. SLOW DOWN.
---kathr4453 on 7/30/11


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kathr:
Again, it's your Leftist propaganda I confront. Dont take it personally.

I dont know how you cannot understand my confronting your assertion that Japan and South Korea are racist.
Read through previous posts again.
Remember you attacked anyone who shared ANY similar beliefs to Breivik, which many around the world do including Japan/South Korea.

You are so hateful of Breivik that you cant differentiate between his commonly accepted beliefs/concerns and his idea that killing Labor party members was the only answer. Yours was a typical Leftist response.

Whatever you motivation for being so politically correct I suggest an objective search for the truth is better.






---Haz27 on 7/30/11


"Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:11

"The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4

"And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?" Daniel 4:35
---christan on 7/30/11


Kathr--The Branch Davidians? They were a religious cult.
I thought you were talking about "American Patriot" and "militia" organizations.
I'm just as glad you don't know the difference.

Haz 27-- I wasn't sure what the Labor Party in Norway actually was. We have no "Labor Party" in the U.S.. If we did, it would be the Democratic Party. I think the labor Party in the UK is similar. I was a Margaret Thatcher fan. When she was prime minister, some called her the best man in Parliament!
---Donna66 on 7/30/11


Haz27, I said something to get your shorts in a knot. And now I'm being confronted on Japan and S Korea, of which I have no clue what you are talking about.

And Political correctness now is the problem too? And here I thought I was the one being politically incorrect on the subject at hand. I usually find those who OVER REACT, are trying to hide something..Thou doeth protest TOO MUCH kinda thing. I know those here who deny what we did to our own Native Americans are righty rights who would like to spit in your face rather than admit the truth. REPENTANCE and acknowledgement are for MEN not mice. Even the RCC apologized for the Crusades.

Well consider me CONFRONTED! Do you feel better now that you have that off your chest Micky?
---kathr4453 on 7/30/11


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kathr:
Your Leftie logic makes out that Japan and South Korea are racist.
You also claim the millions of ordinary people in western countries who have complained about the tyranny of political correctness and thought control from the media and education system are somehow Breivik followers.

Only a Leftie argues that political correctness is good. You've shown us who you really are.

And the Rabbit proof fence movie you quoted as PROOF for history? We all know how accurate movies are, don't we.

I confront your Leftist propaganda kathr. Dont take it personally.
---Haz27 on 7/30/11


Haz27, WHY is the abortion rate in Australia HIGHER than in Norway? Maybe you should worry about your own country?
---kathr4453 on 7/30/11


James, You are correct in what we all should know about these fanatic religious groups. Donna66's comment only suggests she doesn't know of their existance, or even what they stand for. I guess she probably thought I meant the Republicans. TOO FUNNY! One has to live in a shoe to not know about the Branch Dividians.

Anyway, Haz27, your comment..."lowering himself" suggests you agree with his politics, just not how he handled it. Rather than see him as a total nut case, you said he "lowered himself" to their level. BAD remark to make, but most enlightening. And your continual attack on me is also revealing.

You're personal involvement in the politics of Norway is Also very revealing!
---kathr4453 on 7/30/11


Donna66:
Agreed, Leftie's like kathr may well suffer from an "imagination stoked by some liberal media".

Regarding Breivik's victims (youngest 14 but most later teens) my point was they are members of Labor party they support the killing of unwanted babies as that's the policy of Norway's Labor Party. I then highlighted how society has been conditioned to accept the killing of thousands of babies as ok.

A few of my students here (similar age to the victims)are also members of political parties. I was dissappointed how heartless and brutal, etc they are. And they even boast about being this way. They start at a young age being like this, proving themselves for future political life. They are not your typical youth.
---Haz27 on 7/30/11


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Donna66 and Haz27, our most informed political hacks here online, promoting their own political flavor of what they believe is right/wrong, who what when where how and why anyone does what they do, and a complete psychological insight into all who make any personal comments or opinions, not to mention those who do crazy crimes based on their political flavor .

Well, with you here, who needs anyone elses opinion or thoughts?

Besides Haz27 couldn't wait to attack me again and call me a liberal leftie..whatever that is, because I liked the movie Rabbit Fense.

I wonder, do people who deny the Holocaust ever happened, call those who know it did Liberal Lefties? Maybe I'll look on my Lefty News Sites to get the answer?
---kathr4453 on 7/30/11


What happened in Norway is horrible. We know the man was once involved with the Nazi underground, and we also know his fascination with the Knighs Templers. As a matter of fact, a man in London is being investigated calling himself Lionheart, a Knights Templer where this guy was reading his stuff. THAT man in London was arrested 3 years ago for inciting RACIAL RIOTS.

The Knights Templers go all the way back to the RCC Crusades, and we know WHO got killed there, and why.

Knowing these facts don't make you a lefty left any more that a righty right. So get off your high horses of name calling.

We're living in the end times...put on your thinking caps.
---kathr4453 on 7/30/11


donna66, Christian Patriot militias, would be those like the Branch Dividians, Waco TX, and the likes.

Much of the Christian patriot movement disrespects government leaders and authority that scripture says were put there by God. We are told to pray for our leaders, we are not to make railing accusations.

Christian patriots are told to arm themselves and to be prepared to fight the new world order while scripture says that we are to be peaceful and willing to go like sheep to the slaughter.

Christian patriots are told that they are not required to pay their taxes but scripture tells us we are to support the government put over us as the government requires.

I'm not a Leftie but I am educated.
---James on 7/30/11


Haz27--"lowered himself" to the standards of those he killed"? BELOW their standards, I would say. Innocent citizens... most were children! I think he is mentally unbalanced, delusional.
If a man is pushing a political agenda, it shouldn't take one "reading between the lines" to determine it. (In so doing, one depends only on one's imagination...which is what this lunatic did when he fancied his actions would steer politics in Norway.) Every violent person with a political beef is not a "Hitler".

Not sure how a leftie like Kathr knows about what's "planned" by the rightest "Christian Patriot militias" here in the US.(Again, my guess is, imagination stoked by some liberal media)..
---Donna66 on 7/29/11


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kathr:
You claim your neutral on politics but your actions speak louder than words.
I see lots of similarities between your accusations and the hate speech of the Left and Hitler.

It looks to me your just candy coating your Leftist ideals on CN.

Even your views on Aboriginal history are the same as Leftist historians. Their fabrications of history have been proven false. Even the High court here rejected the claims of the best 2 examples of the Leftist alleged stolen generation.

And your reference to the propaganda movie Rabbit Proof Fence shows you lack objectivity.

You share the same politically correct views as Leftist extremists and this says a lot about you.
---Haz27 on 7/29/11


Haz27, three times or more now you have called me a Leftist Liberal. Isn't THAT name calling and labeling? That makes you a Leftist Liberal correct?

I know you called me that too when you denied the horrible treatment of your own indigenous people, denying any ill treatment of the Aborigines. Since I am a Jew, I hardly believe I have anything remotely in common with Hitler.

Since you are so offended, also showing you agree with this crazy person's politics yet feel he handled it the wrong way, says more than you know. Being extremely right winged is just as dangerous as being extremely left.

I'M NEITHER. As a New Creature in Christ, i'm not a part of this worlds politics. It's what I see.
---kathr4453 on 7/29/11


kathr:
I see in your previous post you reveal you're a liberal/Leftie like I suspected. Your accusation that the conservative Right is racist is typical Leftie hate speech.

Hitler also used hate speech just like the Left do today. He demonized Gypsies, Jews, Poland etc, to manipulate the German people into following his rule.

And according to your reasoning, Japan and South Korea are racist too, yet you remain silent when exposed on this. Why?

I suggest you stop following the Leftist publications you read as they are full of hate propaganda.
God's ways are much better to follow.
---Haz27 on 7/29/11


One thing that stands out in the killers videos and writings is a certain obsession with the Knights Templar, the Third Crusade, and the idea of setting up what amount to European "Christian Patriot militias" (often using the very same terminology, of note, as "Christian patriot" groups associated with dominionism and the racist right use in the US) to foment a revolution in the same way as planned by "Christian Patriot militias" here in the US.
---kathr4453 on 7/29/11


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I agree with the previous blog except for one thing.
There are some people in the Masons who believe in God and are even Christian.
You have to have a really good reputation and have quiet a bit of money to even belong to it.
---shirley on 7/29/11

Not to argue but, have firsthand knowledge on. Majority of Masons believe in GOD.
You must have a multi witnessed good reputation as you say....but, it requires almost no money other than a membership fees.
---Trav on 7/29/11


Adolf Hitler (20 April 1889 - 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician and the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party (also known as the Nazi Party). He was Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945, head of state from 1934 to 1945 and a member of the Templar Order.
---kathr4453 on 7/29/11


I agree with the previous blog except for one thing.There are some people in the Masons who believe in God and are even Christian.It is considered by some as a status thing.You have to have a really good reputation and have quiet a bit of money to even belong to it.
---shirley on 7/29/11


Donna66:
I agree that the mainstream media cannot be trusted.

Breivik made some commonly recognized valid points though about political correctness and thought control via the mainstream media and universities in Europe.
And it's well known that the same occurs in the USA and Australia too.

But killing others is not the answer. In doing so he only lowered himself to the same standards as those he killed.

I saw also that Breivik was involved with Freemasonry which is at odds with the media's claim he was a Christian fundamentalist.
---Haz27 on 7/29/11


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kathr:
You do sound very much like a liberal/Leftie to me. They are always throwing derogatory labels at others. Theirs is a politics of hate.

By the way, Brievik said he wants to see Europe modelled on the nations of Japan and South Korea, which he says represent a system not far from cultural conservatism and nationalism at its best.

If your consistent with your 'logic' then you will now call Japan and South Korea racist.
---Haz27 on 7/29/11


//What would you say about King David who committed adultery and had that woman's husband killed, all for his own selfish desires?

Did you cry for those babies too?---Haz27 on 7/28/11

I think we're talking about apples and oranges here. King David did not set out to MASS MURDER YOUTHS at a Youth camp. He was trying to cover his sin which is inexcusable, I get that.

And YES, I did cry for those babies and all children who are murdered so please don't judge my response just by the 125 words. You don't know my heart and how much or how hard I cry in anguish for babies being killed everyday by abortion, child molestors, etc.,
---Donna5535 on 7/29/11


His "manifesto" was rather eerily similar to what the what the "unibomber" wrote...which I believe didn't much sense either. Certainly it bore no resemblance to Dominion Theology.//

Unless you read between the lines. Hitler didn't like all the multi cultures either, killing not only Jews but anyone he believed was bringing down their way of life. Hitler was a racist, using the culture and economy as an excuse to also MASS MURDER.

Now maybe you don't see RACIST here, but I do.
---kathr4453 on 7/29/11


Hitler also murdered his own German people who did not go along with "his manifesto". The SOLUTION to a better Germany and better Europe, brought on by hard economic times.
---kathr4453 on 7/29/11


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Haz27-- I agree. What "race" does Brievik have a bias against? His objection was to those who allow Muslims (who may be of any race) into western Europe. Those he attacked were of his own race!

His "manifesto" was rather eerily similar to what the what the "unibomber" wrote...which I believe didn't much sense either. Certainly it bore no resemblance to Dominion Theology.

The NY Times used to be a trustworthy news source, but it's lost a lot of credibility lately.
---Donna66 on 7/29/11


Donna5535 said: "Anyone who can murder another human being,... like that is so sick and pathetic, he is possessed by the devil himself."

What would you say about King David who committed adultery and had that woman's husband killed, all for his own selfish desires?

And remember Breivik killed those in Norway's Labor party who themselves brought in abortion laws that resulted in the massacre of thousands of babies.

Did you cry for those babies too?
Our secular mainstream media didn't.
Interesting how the secular mainstream media is so good at manipulating how people see and feel about issues.
---Haz27 on 7/28/11


Anyone who can murder another human being, or rather MANY human beings like that is so sick and pathetic, he is possessed by the devil himself.

HOW can he do that? It's dispicable, and I'm appalled at what happened. I have prayed for the families of those who were killed. I cried for days over it.

Satan is the prince of the power of the air, but fear not because greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world.
---Donna5535 on 7/28/11


Kathr:
You claim this Norwegian guy, (Brievik) is a racist. Why?

Brievik's issue was with Islam and cultural-Marxism, neither of which is a race.
How can the "racist" label fit here?

Brievik also said he wants to see a Europe modelled on the nations of Japan and South Korea, which he says represent a system not far from cultural conservatism and nationalism at its best.

He doesn't sound racist to me.

I'm curious, are you on the liberal/Left side of politics?


---Haz27 on 7/28/11


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Radical Muslims say they are Muslim.
They are not true Muslim but give the belief a bad name.
If this man claims to be a Christina he clearly is not and gives Christianity a bad name as well.
The word says that in the last days they will cast you out of the synagogues and he that kills you will think he does God service.
The time is coming when rather than kill those outside the faith satan will set his sites on true Christians. He already has in the far-middle east.
It's easy to be a Christian in a free society when protected by the laws.
But that will soon change. The Lord will allow people's faith to be tried.
The Lord said that if the days were not shortened for the elect's sake no flesh would be saved.
It's coming.
---Frank on 7/28/11


It was a New York Times reporter that first labeled him as a fundamentalist, just rumor mongering by the press, nothing more.
---John.usa on 7/27/11


\\This guy really is a racist whether he candy coats it or not and is now using Israel to hide behind...\\

I won't argue that. Did you know that the Orthodox Church is the only church to officially declare racism to be a heresy?

\\Don't forget after Ferdinand and Isabella ran out the Moors, they then also expelled all the Jews.\\

And this relates to Breivik just how?

That's a very complex story, and common wisdom about this is inaccurate, but there have been books written on this issue.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/11


Shira, Cluny is quoting Alan of UK.

But 'fundamentalist' is a very uncertain word - because different people have different ideas about what the 'fundamentals' of the Bible are - I see it even on this website!
---Peter on 7/27/11


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shira, My understanding on what cluny said is that he is not a fundamentalst as someone here stated he was.

No cluny, that does not sound like a fundamentalist.

Yet today even the word fundamentalist is a dirty word. It means something today totally different than it did years ago.

This guy really is a racist whether he candy coats it or not and is now using Israel to hide behind...

Don't forget after Ferdinand and Isabella ran out the Moors, they then also expelled all the Jews.




---kathr4453 on 7/27/11


cluny, what is a fundamentalist to you? A fundamentalist is one who believes in the fundamentals of the Holy Word of God...is that not true???? Jesus coming back is really really close.
---shira3877 on 7/27/11


Here is a telling excerpt from Breivik's manifesto:

\\ If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God.\\

Does this sound like a fundamentalist Christian to you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/11


I was like him. I thought I was smart! People can think they are smart to do things like this. Ones think they are smart to kill their own unborn, and with their unborn they could learn (Matthew 11:28-30) real love, instead of going along with ones who won't support them to love their unborn. So, a major security problem is how love is unsure. This is very damaging to a country, and helps to produce ones who feel killing is a means to a desirable end . . . like how certain ones found it helpful to slaughter squaws and children of sovereign tribal nations and covet and take their lands. This is nothing new. Satan's world is like this. But we are here to win with Jesus, by rescuing people "from the power of Satan to God" (in Acts 26:18).
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/27/11


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\\He wore a Cross, and professed to be a fundamentalist Christian\\

Actually, he never said he was that, though it's an identification made by the secular media.

These are the same ones who said that Jerrod Loughner, the accused Tucson shooter, was a member of the tea party--he wasn't.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/11


Interesting to see this massacre in Norway makes headlines but the thousands of unborn babies who have been massacred, thanks to the efforts of the likes of Norway's Labor party, is not newsworthy.

This extremist only lowered himself to the same standards of behavior as those in the Labor party he attacked.

---Haz27 on 7/27/11


There isn't much to think about the events in Norway. The guy is just nuts.
---John.usa on 7/26/11


There is this false gospel of Dominion Theology believing we re to enforce righteousness before Jesus can return. Yet Jesus said MY KINGDOM is not of this world. Paul also tells us as Christians we have been translated out of this present evil age into the Kingdom of His Dear Son. Those who don't understand we are crucified to this world and the world to us will be these fanatics you see today.

They are not real christians, but imposters/self-righteous legalists.

And yes, I do believe we are going to see more and more of this type of behavior. Everyone seems to be on a Crusade.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/11


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""rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

This is where our attention mainly belongs . . . with God, becoming pleasing to Him in His love's "incorruptible beauty". Satan's world is set up to decoy our attention elsewhere.
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/26/11"
Amen.
---chria9396 on 7/26/11


How sad that the man who performed these atrocities is proud of having done so. He says it was necessary in order to protect Norway and Europe against Islam.

He wore a Cross, and professed to be a fundamentalist Christian.

So much evil done in the name of God
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/26/11


Matthew 24:6-8 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled,: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.

this world belongs to Satan 2Corin 4:4 ...The Prince of Peace/Christ has not returned to rule from Jerusalem as KING of KINGS YET

we live in a world that does not value life ...whether it is bombings or abortion or allowing gays to marry and raise children they could not possibly sire ...mankind is proving everyday it is impossible to live life without Gods Holy Laws
---Rhonda on 7/26/11


"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)

We need to not allow evil to define how we are and what we do and how we see things. Ones are promoting that now Norway will not be the same, again. Well, why let evil people decide how we are?

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

This is where our attention mainly belongs . . . with God, becoming pleasing to Him in His love's "incorruptible beauty". Satan's world is set up to decoy our attention elsewhere.
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/26/11


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As the end draws near we will see more and more absolutely horrifying mass murders.

As the tensions in the world grow the crazies in the world grow more desperate. First for attention and secondly usually for some outlandish agenda.
---mima on 7/26/11


Terrorist mass murder is horrible, regardless of who does it or why.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/26/11


An egocentric man who wanted to make a name for himself. He found an excuse to make himself known and made the most of it. As far as being christian say John 3:17. He was not following Biblical teachings. Scott is now Scott1
---Scott1 on 7/26/11


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