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It is not the case that Paul didn't want to carry on the discussion here- he couldn't. Pagan doctrines cannot stand up to the scrutiny of Bible truth. Paul is as impotent as the pagan Egyptian hell-fire doctrine. Maybe he should try looking for 'paganet'.

So Paul believes Death and Hades being done away with is a 'pseudo religious' teaching. Really!

'Death is swallowed up forever', 1 Cor.15:54.

'our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has abolished death', 2 Tim.1:10.

Paul thus believes Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul belong to a 'pseudo religion'.

Even John wrote 'Hades gave up those dead in it' and 'death and Hades' are cast into the lake of fire. The truth is 'pseudo religion' to a pagan- that's obvious!
---David8318 on 7/30/11


--to believe in hell one must first REJECT John 3:16 then add IDEA about screaming in agony--


Is Jesus lying?

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.
---CraigA on 7/30/11


Atheist, the reason why I don't believe the hell-fire doctrine is because it is not a Bible teaching, the word 'hell' or the concept of hell-fire is not in any Hebrew or Greek manuscript- Jer.7:31.

People who disagree with me use Bibles which mistranslate the words 'Hades', 'Gehenna' and 'the Lake of Fire' with the word 'hell'. Hades, Gehenna and the 'Lake of Fire' are 3 totally separate things having different meanings.

The idea of burning people eternally in some dark underworld has its origins in ancient Egyptian & Babylonian mythology- not the Bible.

The RCC initially adopted the hell-fire myth as a means to extort money from its unsuspecting flock. It has filtered down through RCC sects and cults (ie. Christendom).
---David8318 on 7/30/11


Paul, you are correct. Trying to change a persons heart is not our job. Our job is to present the Truth. God takes care of the rest. I can go on and on also with Willa, but I can never convince him that the Son of God is the Eternal Son of God. The Father has to reveal it to him. Even when Jesus makes it clear, they cannot believe,
"Jesus said to them, If God were your Father you would love Me, "for I proceeded forth and came from God"
And Jesus tells them they do not understand or listen to His words because they are not able. (John 8:39-47).
---Mark_V. on 7/30/11


MarkV- you are all over the place. First you say, 'No matter what you call it, it will be everlasting hell' and again, 'the punishment is everlasting, and does not stop' (7/28/11), now you say, 'God can kill the soul anywhere. He can also kill the body' (7/29/11).

So which do you believe? 'Everlasting punishment' or God 'killing the soul and body'? If as you believe a person suffers everlasting punishment, God's got to keep him alive. Paganism has created confusion in your mind.

At Matthew 10:28 the original Greek word used is 'Gehenna', not 'hell' as you and your translation believe. As I've said before and uncontested by any hell-pushers here that Gehenna was Jerusalems incinerator where anything sent there was 'destroyed'.
---David8318 on 7/30/11




MarkV- I do believe you have taken leave of all your senses. Pick up your Bible and open Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5 and 32:53 and read them and the context of those verses.

Incredibly you state, 'Why would God go all the way to the Valley to kill a soul.' God didn't! God found the practice of putting people into fire as something detestable! Something 'not in His heart' to do!

You also state, 'it is a special spiritual place designed by God just for them'. What a ridiculous statement. The Valley of Hinnom was a physical place used to burn people alive as a sacrifice to false gods. Something not 'designed' by Jehovah God. A barbaric activity Jehovah 'had not commanded, and had not come into His heart'. You ask me to stop and think!
---David8318 on 7/30/11


They have been indoctrinated with a pseudo religion which says that death and hell/grave will be done away with.
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statement is antichrist to Holy Scripture which clearly states death WILL BE done away with when Christ Returns to rule Gods Kingdom from Jerusalem as KING OF KINGS

1Corin 15:26 DESTROYED DEATH
1Corin 15:54 Death is swallowed up in victory
2Tim 1:10 ABOLISHED DEATH

hell is simply the grave all who have ever lived including King David, Job, and Abraham are ALL IN HELL right now WAITING for the LAST DAY John 6:39, 40, 44, 54, John 11:24, 12:48

Choose EVERY Word from Holy Scripture rather than mans words ABOUT Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 7/30/11


Jordan, what have you learned?

May I suggest you buy a NASB "REFERENCE" bible.

The most accurate bible. Do not get a study bible as that's just someones opinion.

Read it without any Pre-conceived notion of any kind. Act as if it was a book you found in the desert and know nothing at all about it.

G-d will reveal himself to you!

COUNT ON IT!
---John on 7/30/11


David 2: The place God spoke of was not the physical place where sacrifices were done, it was something that could be a type of.
The soul is spiritual you cannot touch it. God can kill the soul anywhere. He can also kill the body. In the spiritual realm we cannot see it with our touch. The place is there and is mostly discribe by Jesus more then any other place. To not believe this, you must have to remove most of the passages from Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/11


Mark

With all due respect it is utterly impossible to convince a Jehovah Witness that hell is a real place of punishment.

They have been indoctrinated with a pseudo religion which says that death and hell/grave will be done away with.

Also that the 144 thousand are JW's and that Heaven is here on earth and a bunch more crazy false doctrines.

That's why I did not take David seriously for his purpose here is to proselyte and I wont provide a platform for that.

So good luck but its hard to fight against that kind of indoctrination with any level of persuasion.
---paul on 7/29/11




David, Jesus does not speak of hell or Gehenna in Luke 9:43-48. But if you go to (Matt. 10:28) "And do not fear those who kill the body (physical body) but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Lets say that hell is the valley where sacrifices occured, now stop to think, Why would God go all the way to the Valley to kill a soul which is spiritual? He could have done that at my house or yours, but it is a special spiritual place designed by God just for them. He is speaking of a spiritual place that represents Gehenna. Only here it is a spiritual place. You do not separate the physical from the spiritual. Stop to think.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/11


MarkV, the pagan Egyptian doctrine of hell-fire is not the Gehenna Jesus spoke of at Luke 9:43-48. Gehenna was Jerusalem's incinerator & rubbish dump where carcasses of dead animals and criminals were thrown. Criminals who did not deserve a memorial- they and the memory of them were destroyed. His listeners knew what Gehenna was.(Mt.10:28)

I do agree Gehenna corresponds to the Hebrew Hinnom. Regarding the Valley of Hinnom where apostate Israelites sacrificed their children in the fire- Jehovah God said was 'a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart'- Jer.7:31 also 19:5 and 32:35.

God does not agree with sacrificing 'sons and daughters' OR burning them mercilessly in fire. It is not in his heart!
---David8318 on 7/29/11


David,

I simply meant that there was an eternity before I was born.

I am glad you are not a hell fire believer, although I am sure that many here would disagree with you on that.

What Heaven will be like is even less clear to believers. It seems that Hell is either fire or just eternal death (like we were before we were born, as I said), but Heaven is what ever anyone want to make of it. I do not recall any scriptural references to what Heaven is to be.

The focus that almost everyone takes is that Hellfire or death is bad, so go the Heaven and live forever.
---atheist on 7/29/11


By believing the simple Gospel revealed to our Apostle Paul

1 Cor 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 7/29/11


Atheist, you mentioned previously- 'But I don't spend any time worrying about where I will be after I die, because I have already been there and done that.'

May I be so bold as to ask what happened to you for you to experience 'being there and done that'? If you'd rather not say that's ok.

Death doesn't worry me either. If I die before God brings in the New World, I know that I will be in a state of complete unconsciousness (Eccs.9:5). Jesus described death as 'sleep' (John 11:11). Obviously a 'sleep' that only God can awaken someone- I believe & have faith in the Bible's teaching of resurrection (Acts 24:15, John 11:24).

I also expect to see family who have fallen asleep in death being resurrected to life here on Earth.
---David8318 on 7/29/11


"I want to believe in God so I don't go to hell. How?"
Jordan "Take delight in the LORD, and he will give you your heart's desires." And "If you can believe, all things are possible to him that believes". Know that believing is the "work of God" in your life, submit yourself to HIm. Make your declaration and request the same as the father of the possessed child. Jesus asked if he believed? His response was "Lord I do believe, but help me overcome [any] unbelief!" Psa 37:4>Jhn 6:29>Mar 9:23,24 (NLT)
Also read, consider, and remember these verses John 3:16-21
---Josef on 7/29/11


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Everyone who makes it to heaven will be one big, happy family. It wont be,your family, my family. Everyone will be family. You have to have a real relationship with God to understand His Word. Mark 12:18-27 is a small beginning to answer some of your questions. However, you'll never comprehend the things of God , heaven or this world until you know the one who created it all. So there's no answer that you can believe or accept. 1 Cor. 2:13-14 explains this. v.14- But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
---Reba on 7/29/11


Atheist, why do you expect God to regulate people's enjoyment of life? God has made us with the natural desire to enjoy life. As I said before, there is no limit to our creativity, our desire to learn or our imagination. God doesn't have to say 'you will enjoy painting and drawing'.

God knows we will enjoy doing those things as we do today because he created us with those abilities and the desire to enjoy those abilities.

There is no hell-fire teaching in the Bible. Hell-fire of eternal torture and punishment is a pagan Egyptian belief adopted by apostate Christendom (ie the RCC). The Bible teaches- 'but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all'- Ecclesiastes 9:5.
---David8318 on 7/29/11


Atheist, you ask me to suppose I 'make it to heaven'. I'm sure life in heaven will be enjoyable, but I personally hope to live forever on earth- Psalms 37:29, Matthew 5:5 (to cite but a few scriptures- my post 7/28/11).

God chooses who He wants in heaven- Rev.14:3. Nobody 'makes it' to heaven as though they earn their place in heaven. Obviously, those who Jehovah God wants in Heaven are taken there for a specific reason.

As I've said before, hell-fire does not exist. So whether one lives in Heaven or forever on Earth, they will have no fear of hell. In fact, 'Hades' a word mistranslated as hell 'gives up those dead in them'. People will be resurrected back to life out of Hades- either to life in Heaven or life on Earth- Rev.20:13.
---David8318 on 7/29/11


Things & people that don't make it to heaven will not be remembered by the ones who do make it.---Reba

Cool. So I make it to Heaven, my wife and two of my kids (girls) don't. But two of my kids (boys) make it with all of their children, but neither of the wives.

So how does the memory thing work out then?

And then as eternity ensues, we of course have great grandchildren, and great great grandchildren, etc. Now of course we all die at different ages, and some disabled and in wheelchairs. So do we get new bodies, and how are we to recognize each other?
---atheist on 7/28/11


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Christan, sitting here with my wife, trying to explain you're saying, laughing! Because, she can't see it either!
You're eyes are so totally open. God bless you for trying.

But!
That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake!
"Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?"

Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
"He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart, that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."

I wonder if people were to stop and listen, would they hear.
Because I believe, it must come from God!
Peace!
---TheSeg on 7/28/11


There will be no sorrow in heaven. Things & people that don't make it to heaven will not be remembered by the ones who do make it. Rev. 21:4- And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, & there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying,neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
---Reba on 7/28/11


David,

Art classes, really? I must ask, is there Bible scripture to back that up?

BTW, if you make it to Heaven, but your children don't, as in they went to Hell instead, then you won't being spending anytime with them. But you will know they are not there, so after a 100 years or so, you will have to assume that they are in Hell. Is that a burning Hell? Anyway, how will you be able to enjoy yourself knowing where they are?

And how old will you/they be in Heaven? Your mother, grandfather? Can you keep pets or get the old dead ones back?

How about tour cruise ships? Is that a permitted activity?
---atheist on 7/28/11


Rev. 3:20 is an open invitation to any one who wants fellowship with God. All you have to do is accept Him as your Saviour. I believe it's very fitting for the plan of salvation to see Christ personally invite you to fellowship with Him. The setting of that verse may have been speaking to a church,however, it is also speaking to ANY ONE who reads & accepts the invitation of that verse.
---Reba on 7/28/11


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Many have to agree that when God commands a man "love Him with all his heart, soul and mind", the law is talking to man. Right? This is how Paul declares it:

"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:19-20

Instead of repenting to God "I'm a sinner, forgive me" man says "Yes, I can obey your commands/law and now you have to save me for obeying."

Which of these best describe PRIDE?
---christan on 7/28/11


David, the word hell is in the Scriptures, but not in your Scriptures in order to make it a better place, but the punishment is everlasting, and does not stop, yet the word "hell" nevertheless means the same thing. "Geenna" which describes the place of state of the lost and condemned (Matt. 5:29,30: 10:28: Matt. 23:15: James 3:6 ). It also represents the Hebr. Ge hinnom, the valley of Hinnon when the context demands it. Many times it means hades but is not a good translation.
Terms descriptive of hell are found in Matthew (Matt. 13:42: Phil. 3:19: 2 Thess. 1:9: Heb. 10:39: 2 Peter 2:17: etc.
No matter what you call it, it will be everlasting hell and there will be hell to pay there.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/11


Atheist, you ask 'exactly what is that "living" going to be like?'

God said the Earth will remain forever (Isaiah 45:18) God originally intended humans to live forever on it- interrupted by Adam's disobedience- rectified by Christ's obedience (Romans 5:18).

If it is true that God wants humans to enjoy life on earth forever, then yes we will see 'our children, friends, stars and clouds, mountains and forest streams, golf courses...' (not sure about TV and traffic) but certainly art classes and science.

What activities do you want to do you can't do now? How far does your (or anybody's) imagination stretch? What capacity does the human brain have for learning and exploring? Is there an end to the human experience?
---David8318 on 7/28/11


Atheist, your first question to me was 'What will you be doing after you die?' Your reasoning seemed all too negative. I'd like to ask why are atheists (in general) so 'obsessed' with non-existence?

Christians are not so much obsessed with everlasting life, but life itself. Life is sacred.

Jehovah God promises- 'The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it'- Psalms 37:29

Jesus said, 'Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth'- Matthew 5:5.

So yes, you (if you choose to) can enjoy everlasting life with family, friends etc... but without the threat of war, disease or dying (You'll have to build your own golf course though).
---David8318 on 7/28/11


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And they continue to argue in defense of their PRIDE.

Never glancing at the parable placed before them. For they thirst for vengence and their egos are never satisfied. So they are blinded to the Truth. That is The Great Commision given to them by G-d.

AND...

so the man dies a firey death as those he asked continue to avoid the elephant standing in front of them. Pushing it aside to score a point against each other.

Yet G-d watches these Ung-dly men and comdemns them to the very Hell they profess to know. And know they will!

G-D IS NOT A RESPECTER OF MENs INTELLECT AND SURELY HE WILL NOT BE MOCKED!!!
---John on 7/28/11


Repent. Repent. Repent. That was Jesus's message and John the Baptist's message.

Repent means to turn away from your sins whether or not you think you're a sinner, you are and you need Jesus. Who-so-ever believeth upon Him shall have everlasing life. Those who do the will of God shall have eternal life.

Obey the Word of God. Forgive and it will be forgiven you. Turn the other cheek. Show mercy to others. Feed the poor. Give and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, runneth together. Don't hold grudges. Obey ALL of God's word and Worship Him with ALL of your heart, mind and soul. Ask him to show you how to "walk" with Him..he will, I did and he answered me.
---Donna5535 on 7/28/11


Paul, haven't you gone yet? Thought you said you'd had enough? You spotted my deliberate mistake. Well done! It shows you are able to spot errors in language, but only selectively.

All that bravado of yours about poor grammar and spelling is empty rhetoric considering your ineptitude when it comes to accurate Bible study.

Your credibility evaporated the moment you started to cop out, run for cover, 'I don't want to be here anymore' attitude.

You don't defend the Bible- who are you trying to kid? You're defending the pagan hell-fire doctrine. A false doctrine which dishonours God and drives people into atheism.
---David8318 on 7/28/11


David,

I did not say that I do not enjoy life. I have no idea of where you got that. But I don't spend any time worrying about where I will be after I die, because I have already been there and done that. It didn't bother me at all.

Why are Christians so obsessed with living forever? And BTW, exactly what is that "living" going to be like? Any idea at all? Will you see your children, friends---will there be stars and clouds, mountains and forest streams, golf courses, TV, canasta, traffic, art classes, science? What will you be doing for eternity? What will fill your time?
---atheist on 7/28/11


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Reba, what does Revelation 3:20 have to do with someone being saved?

Jesus was talking to the church, not unbelievers

Asking Jesus into your heart is a false gospel
---James_L on 7/28/11


MarkV, of course there is no hell in my Bible- that's because hell is not in any Greek or Hebrew manuscript.

Hell as described by you is found in Egyptian and Babylonian mythology. Go to the British Museum in London, visit the Babylonian and Egyptian rooms and there you will find the origins of the barbaric hell-fire doctrine.

You are a mouth-piece for Egyptian and Hellenic philosophy. You are an atheist-maker.

It is remarkable that none of the hell-pushers on this thread have the backbone to check out a Greek lexicon on the verses where they find 'hell' in their Bibles. They are force fed a diet of pagan philosophies and they accept it!
---David8318 on 7/28/11


How can you believe in someone that you can not see, touch or feel?
Can we believe because someone we respect or trust says it is so?
I know, this is what many people seem to expect from you when they tell you about God.
But how do you come to believe?

There are many written accounts in the Bible of those who didn't believe in, or trust God.
As you read these accounts you will see that they came to believe in God, and many of those, came to trust in him.
This trust.... is called Faith.

An example, is the greatest teaching tool a teacher can have.
Look for a church whose teachers use these examples, examples of those who didn't, and then did believe and trust in God.
---David on 7/28/11


Atheist, can you think of your existence before you were born? Where would you want to be now- experiencing existence or return to the non-existent state you were in before you were born?

Everlasting life you say is 'no big deal'. Sounds like you don't enjoy life now! Finding life boring? Uneventful?

Are you looking forward to returning to that state of non-existence? You sound somewhat destructive & negative toward life. Believe it or not atheist but some do actually enjoy life, and look forward to everlasting, unending life. There's all of creation to explore and new things to learn.

Everlasting life is not going to be forced on you atheist. Some are 'disposed for everlasting life' (Acts 13:48), others are not.
---David8318 on 7/28/11


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Paul's simple Gospel

1 Cor.15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, 2 by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 7/28/11


Atheist - Yes, ALL Muslims, and others WILL go to Hell if they do not repent and put their trust in Jesus Christ. This is not mean of God, but kind. If you murdered someone, if the judge is a good judge, should he just let you off, with no jail time? This would mean that the judge is mean and not good and should be off the bench. God is the judge of the world, and He sent His Son Jesus to pay your fine and take your punishment for you. If you do not accept this, you will have to take your own punishment in Hell, because ALL have sinned (broken God's law). This means God is a good judge.
---Leslie on 7/28/11


Plan Of Salvation: Read these scriptures & pray for forgiveness & ask Christ into your heart to become your Saviour.
Rom.3,23-All have sinned
Rom.6:23-Wages of sin/death
John 1:11-12-Can become God's child.
John 3:16- God gave Himself
Rom.10:9-13- Confess & be saved.
Rev. 3:20-Behold I stand at the door & knock.
Rom. 5:8-God loved us while we were sinners.
---Reba on 7/27/11


A Gentile was walking on the road seeking G-d. He came upon a camp of Christians and asked of their G-d.

So...

One said... He was a bearded man 5', immediately the other said NO! He was 5'6", Then a third camper said true, not a beard but a Goatee, Then the first camper said well a Goatee is a Beard, and...

AND... the man who was ignore by these Christians( who placed their pride above the Great Commission given to them by G-d) continue on his path with his question on Christianity never answered!

He went further, was struck by a car and died.

The Hell he fearfully tried to avoid, became his fate.

BUT WHAT AWAITS THOSE CAMPERS WHOM G-D PLACE HIM IN FRONT TO TEACH SALVATION???

---John on 7/27/11


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Jordan, if you want G-d so "I don't go to Hell"...Then you WILL go to Hell!

You see, its not about hell.

Its about joining the family of G-d.

To do this...

"You must love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might." (Deut6)

Do this and you will be saved!


May G-d choose you!
---John on 7/27/11


Jordan
This is what I keep hearing him say, consider these words.

Luk 12:26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?
Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not, and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven, how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?

And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.

Trust in your heart!
He loves you
---TheSeg on 7/27/11


David "eternal non-existence."

Think about what you were doing all those years before you were born. Eternal Non-Existence.

What will you be doing after you die? Eternal Non-Existence.

Same thing.

Really. Not a big deal.

What is the big deal about eternal life?
---atheist on 7/27/11


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---VICKIE on 7/27/11


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//somehow, i think this is a prelude to some doctrine,//

//Hell-fire is a pagan Egyptian invention adopted by the RCC.
****//

//there is no hell//

see...

Frank, 95% of the questions here are to launch doctrine...true or false.
---aka on 7/27/11


Paul... thought you had tucked tailed and scarpered.
---David8318 on 7/27/11

Please take some elementary writing classes, your skills are atrocious.


Dave

I have no need to defend the Bible to you or any one else.

Your cult or any other will never sway a true Christian from their belief that the Bible is the defining literature which allows God and man to connect.

And you are found fraudulent on the grounds that you are a false witness in the fact that Gods Word teaches of a place of punishment for all who reject His son.

I posted all the scriptural reference anyone needs to see Christ teaching of hell.

You obviously are not a Christian so we have no grounds for debate.

Paul
---paul on 7/27/11


Jordan, we do have some here who don't believe in hell fire. Hell (Hades) is the Place where Unsaved People go after they die. Hell is technically the Lake of Fire.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?



Jude:21Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/11


Paul... thought you had tucked tailed and scarpered. Have you checked a Greek lexicon yet? Check out those verses you cite and all the other verses where 'hell' appears in your translation. It's either 'Hades' or 'Gehenna'. Not only is your Bible inconsistent, it's also inaccurate.

Where did you label me a fraud? It's you who started to bottle out of the discussion. Finding the truth about hell-fire too hot to handle? Your attitude is similar to many professed 'Christians' who when faced with the truth either bolt, or resort to feeble pathetic personal attacks.

If you've been studying all these years then defend your belief. Come on... show me which Greek lexicon or manuscript contains any reference to hell.
---David8318 on 7/27/11


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Jordan, Romans 9 is about Israel the Jews, not christan the gentile.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


Rev 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door,I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Salvation is a free gift.


YES Jordan, you must receive Him and He will come in to you. God is knockig at the door of your heart...can you hear Him?
---kathr4453 on 7/27/11


Frank needs to ask himself what's worse- being arogant or ignorant? Vigorously defending truth or blindly following a doctrine because a translator uses a word not in the original writings?

Jesus did not use the word hell at Luke 9:43-48. To say Jesus did is teaching a false gospel. The word 'Gehenna' is used at Luke 9. Jesus used Gehenna, Jerusalems rubbish dump outside its walls as a symbol of complete destruction with no hope of return- Matthew 10:28 ('Gehenna' translated erroneously as hell).

Complete destruction is the punishment God will administer to unrepentant sinners. Not eternal torture, but eternal none-existence. Everlasting life is not granted to the wicked, only to the righteous- Romans 6:23.
---David8318 on 7/27/11


Leslie,

So all devote Muslims and Jews are bound for Hell and eternal torture? Nice god you've got there Leslie. Very nice, very loving, very sick, egotistical, and sadistic.
---atheist on 7/27/11


Jordan, it is so sad that even a sincere and honest question like yours will start an argument around here. Anyway, just by asking the question, you are on track. God will give you the grace to believe. So just ignore the comments here and talk to God in your own words. God bless you! :-)
---John.usa on 7/27/11


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jordan, according to the Scripture, a sinner goes to heaven is because God loved him from eternity (and that love is unconditional - as confirmed in Romans 9).

Contrary to those who tell you that you must "accept" Jesus Christ, there is no such taught doctrine in the Bible. One classic case of a conversion from sinner to saint is that of the apostle Paul. It's found in Acts 9. Read carefully and you will see that "accepting" Christ was never on his agenda as he was on his way to persecute the Christians in Damascus.

Many will dismiss this account in Acts 9 as one-off, but it is taught for a reason. And that Paul was a "chosen vessel" of God before he was even born.
---christan on 7/27/11


The Bible says that the ONLY way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6). The Bible says the ONLY way to Jesus Christ is through repentance (confess and turn from sins) (Luke 13:3, 1 John 1:9), and believing and confessing that Jesus Christ died, rose, and is Lord (boss) (Romans 10:9-10). Anything else does NOT bring salvation according to the Bible. Just believing in God is NOT enough, the Bible says even the devil and his demons believe in God (James 2:19).
---Leslie on 7/27/11


This thread like all others has gone from a simple answer such as I gave to start it unto a debate about hell, fire, accusations and name calling.
Mark 9:44-48- The lord speaking of hell with a fire that shall not be quenched and where their worm dieth not.
Jesus said it. I believe it. It's not for man to call him a liar.
I dont care what you all's books say about root forms of words and such.
Grow up and quit trying to impress people with your self esteemed superior knowledge.
The mods should be blocking this foolishness. This back and forth foolishness is only showing non-believers how arogant Christians have become and is a bad witness.
---Frank on 7/27/11


Do NOT listen to Atheist. There is only ONE God, ONE Hell, ONE Heaven, and ONE way to God and Heaven (salvation) - that is Jesus Christ. If you do not go by way of Jesus Christ, through repentance, confession, and belief, you will only go to Hell.
---Leslie on 7/27/11


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David, I do promote hell for athiest and people like you who don't believe in hell but believe all the predictions of the Witnesses. Of course there is no hell in your Bible, you have your own bible create by your denomination. There is no everlasting punishment. You would like that very much. You rather believe a sudden death, but that is only in your mind. There will be hell to pay in hell. Not a very comforting thought for those who find out too late. They will be like the one mentioned in Scripture who wanted a drink of water. He found out different as many will.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/11


You're going so early in the discussion. Can't blame you. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
---David8318 on 7/27/11

What heat are you referring to? i pegged you as fraud and about as threatening as a grand mothers pillow from your first post.

I feel a strong impression from the Spirit to call you out as an imposter whose intentions are to sew discord here.

Your JW handbook will avail nothing here, you are amongst men and women who have spent years studying the Word, myself included.

And most will not waste their time on such nonsense as this.

I recommend you tuck tail and go hijack a thread where you may can get by with it, for it wont work here.
---paul on 7/27/11


There are different gods with different scriptures and different hells. Be sure to pick the right ones.
---atheist on 7/27/11


Paul, before you go, my 'Firstly...' was also slang. But it was clipped so that I could fit everything in the 125 allocation. 'First of all' or 'to start with' would have put me over the 125 limit.

You're going so early in the discussion. Can't blame you. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

If you choose to believe the pagan hell, it matters not to me. But don't try to say it's a Bible teaching because it is not. I doubt whether you have checked any concordance?

Burning people for all eternity is not God's way. Jehovah God's way is one of love and peace. Not eternal grudges and unbridled anger. Burning people is something that is 'not in God's heart'- Jer.7:31.
---David8318 on 7/27/11


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David

Again I will not partake in such a waste of valuable time as debating if something is real that Christ plainly taught and warned of.

My advise to you is to focus on the lost soul that has exhibited a desire to come to Christ.

I think it would be time far better spent.

If you didn't notice this is Christianet.

not

Jehovahwitnessnet.

Maybe they will agree with you.

Paul
---paul on 7/27/11


Paul, I suggest you get out your Greek interlinear or concordance and look up Luke 16:23,24. There you will not find the word 'hell'. Jesus used the Greek word 'Hades'.

Hades is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word Sheol, meaning the common grave of mankind where the dead are 'unconscious' and 'sleeping'- Eccs.9:5, John 11:11. Eventually, Hades is itself thrown into the 'Lake of Fire' at Rev.20:14. So the 'Lake of Fire' and 'Hades' are not one and the same.

Jesus' parable at Luke 16:23,24 is not literal. How could 'Lazarus' cool the 'Rich mans' tongue with just a drop of water. Jesus used the parable to illustrate the change of condition in two groups of people- 'The Rich man' and 'Lazarus'.
---David8318 on 7/27/11


Paul, to say Jesus 'spoke more on hell than Heaven' is I am happy to say completely untrue. Jesus did not teach 'hell', neither did he teach a place of eternal torture in fire.

The false teaching of hell-fire is not from Christ. It pre-dates Christ and is from pagan Egypt and Babylon.

'In ancient Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs the nether world... is pictured as a place full of horrors, and is presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.'(The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, 1898, M.Jastrow. p.581)

Early evidence of the fiery aspect of Christendoms hell is found in the religion ofancient Egypt. (The Book of the Dead, 1960).

Hell-fire is an important doctrine of 'Babylon the Great'- Rev.18:1-4.
---David8318 on 7/27/11


Paul, if you are so interested in grammar, then what is '...right from the get go
---David8318 on 7/27/11

That is slang which means right from the start.

Slang is acceptable speech, Firstly is grammatically incorrect and makes one seem uneducated thus loosening credibility.

Again I rarely call grammatical errors and in this case their is little cause to for you have woefully killed your own credibility by saying their is no hell.

If you choose to believe this it matters not to me, but dont attempt to promote it as Gods way for it is not.

Their are none as blind as those who choose not to see.

With that I bid the fair well, this frivolous argument is boarding and groundless.
---paul on 7/27/11


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YOU DON'T ACCEPT CHRIST! THAT'S BLASPHEMY!!!

Who put YOU on the throne and have MY Lord come to you on his kness to gain YOUR acceptance.!

SICK!!!!

Christ is NOT for sale like some Laundry soap.

It is He who does the choosing(AND REJECTING) NOT YOU!!!
---John on 7/27/11


MarkV- atheists don't need to promote hell. You do a far better job of it! Atheists concentrate on evolution, false religion concentrates on 'hell-fire and damnation'. Both evolution and hell dishonour God and together form the driving force behind atheism today.

The belief that Almighty God brutally burns people eternally is the most potent force driving people away from God and into atheism. Hell is on par with the theory of evolution. Useful, powerful tools in the hands of Satan the Devil.

There is no hell. The Bible does not speak of hell or eternal torture or suffering.

'As for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.'- Ecclesiastes 9:5.
---David8318 on 7/27/11


Lu 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.

David

Are you a Christian or a student of the Bible?
Jesus warns of hell numerous times in His taechings.

He spoke more on hell then Heaven.

You do realize the above scriptures are part of Christs teachings which he taught Himself?

Paul
---paul on 7/27/11


Hello andy3996- I agree Satan, heaven and angels exist. Their existence however has no bearing on the existence of a place of eternal torture and punishment.

Jesus did not teach people are sent to burn for all eternity, neither did he speak the word hell in any language. Jesus used 'Gehenna' at Mark 9:43-48. His listeners would have known what Gehenna was, and it was not a place where people were sent to be tortured eternally. Anything sent to Gehenna was completely destroyed with no return.

'Fear... him that can DESTROY both soul and body in Gehenna.'- Young's/Weymouth. ("hell"- KjV/NIV/ASV)

Jesus was teaching those suffering the judgment of Gehenna would be eternally 'destroyed', not eternally tortured.
---David8318 on 7/27/11


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Jesus does not want you to go to Hell. Jesus suffered like He did on Calvary, so we don't go there. He considered all that suffering to be worthwhile so we don't go to Hell. So, I would say Jesus is convinced there is Hell. And, if Jesus considered such suffering to be needed, I would say this shows Jesus knows how bad hell is. Why suffer like that, just to keep people from having an unconscious eternity?

So, it helps to see that Jesus is not interested in just judging you. Jesus cares about you. He is not trying to threaten you with Hell, but save you from going there. So, realizing Jesus so loves us can surely help us to trust in Him. And if you care, He knows you care.
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/27/11


Paul, if you are so interested in grammar, then what is '...right from the get go with an opening word such as this.' Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Have you lost your credibility!?

I have on numerous occasions on CN shown how Hell is taught in all false religious organisations, from Buddhists, Hindu's and apostate Christendom.

You will not find in any Greek interlinear the word "hell". Those promoting the pagan Egyptian hell-fire doctrine do so by twisting Jesus' words notably at Mark 9:43-48 where he spoke of 'Gehenna', which has nothing to do with burning people alive eternally. Jesus never uttered the word hell.

Sorry to disappoint, but God is not the brutal eternal sadist you'd like him to be.
---David8318 on 7/27/11


David, athiest promote no hell. Reason, they don't need Christ. No hell, no need for a Savior. You draw near to Christ when God has drawn you to Himself.
You said,
"God does not want you to come to Him out of morbid fear of being sent to some eternal hell-fire of punishment and torture."
Of course not. That is not true repentance. That is repentance by attrition. Attrition is a false or surpious kind of repentance which involves remorse by a fear of punishment or a loss of blessings. Children do that so they don't get punish. Repentance by contrition, is true and godly repentance, it not only includes a deep remorse for offending God but openly and fully confesses his sin with no attempt to excuse it or justify it.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/11


-David8318 said firstly there is no hell...

could you tell me, what version of the bible you're reading? because if it isn't in your bible you should try to find a real bible. hell is real, so is satan, demons and heaven, angels.
one might disagree about WHAT HELL IS, but not wether or not hell exists.
Rejecting the truth of hell is indeed very unchristian

this said I want to add that indeed i love you david, and God bless you
---andy3996 on 7/27/11


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Firstly, there is no hell.
---David8318 on 7/27/11

David
Are you serious?

First of all I typically do not grammatically correct anyone, but "Firstly" you loose credibility right from the get go with an opening word such as this.

It is first of all, to start with or simply First,

Now to come on here with such an absurd statement as their is no hell you must prove that.

Unless you are God no one is going to accept your word because you say so.

I agree the threat of hell is not the reason to cry out to Christ, but that does not negate the fact that their is a place of punishment for satan and the rebellious.

Paul
---paul on 7/27/11


Hell-fire is a pagan Egyptian invention adopted by the RCC.
****

false ministers make alive with colorful writings from Dante

hell as an idea of roasting away forever in an eternal bbq-pit in agony is conceived in the wicked minds of man

seeing God HIMSELF was stunned when HE never conceived of the pagans tossing their babies into the fire for their "gods"

John 3:16 SHALL NOT PERISH

there is not one verse in Holy Scripture that implies the wicked have eternal life

to believe in hell one must first REJECT John 3:16 then add IDEA about screaming in agony contradicting Psalms 115:7 rejecting the God of mercy

I choose EVERY word from Holy Scripture NOT mans words ABOUT Gods Word
---Rhonda on 7/27/11


Firstly, there is no hell.

God does not want you to come to Him out of morbid fear of being sent to some eternal hell-fire of punishment and torture.

God wants you to draw close him the same way he will draw close to you- on the basis of love. James 4:8, 1 John 4:8.

Those promoting 'hell-fire' are atheist makers. As the blog question suggests, many find it hard to believe in God because they cannot reconcile a 'God of love' with the brutal doctrine of eternal punishment in hell-fire. Of course, there is no reconciliation to be made because thankfully there is no hell-fire. Hell-fire is a pagan Egyptian invention adopted by the RCC.

To believe in God- avoid the Hellenic doctrines of trinity, hell and immortal soul.
---David8318 on 7/27/11


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