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Biblical Manners And Customs

What insight can you share with the community concerning manners and customs of Biblical times and how they relate to scriptures?

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Here's a "custom" of Bible times:

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
---jerry6593 on 8/7/11


John, some things that we speak of now are important and there may not be some that know...e.g. //A well known example is the use of wine-skins ...//. Do you have anything that may be related like that?
AKA

Yes!

The OT Hebrews purposely did NOT have Science/Philosophy etc.

They would never question any mystery of G-d.

Sadly today the Christian Church has been contaminated by the Greeks. And so we now have Greek Philosophy(i.e.Stoics/Platonics) intertwined with our faith.

So now we have believers asking questions that have answers not given to man. (i.e. Pre-Destination, Triune G-d, The HS, How Salvation occurs etc.) This distracts from the faith. We should simply accept it as-is. Just as the Hebrews did.
---John on 7/31/11


Cluny:

Why do you think Jesus would avoid lasagna? Yes, it's not "kosher", but the laws of kashrut take the Biblical food laws (such as "don't seethe a kid in its mother's milk") and extrapolate them. There's nothing in the Bible that forbids eating meat and milk together.

There are many times when Jesus did things that were legal by Biblical standards, but not by Pharisaical standards.
---StrongAxe on 7/30/11


John

Simply out of curiosity what is G-d? Why not God

Paul
---paul on 7/29/11


John, some things that we speak of now are important and there may not be some that know...e.g. //A well known example is the use of wine-skins ...//. Do you have anything that may be related like that?

There were those in the Bible who criticized Jesus for hanging out with those at potluck dinners. He provided the salt.
---aka on 7/29/11




john, is there anything that you have, so we can learn.
---aka

YES!

You must put down your manmade traditions. Admit they're NOT doctrines of G-d, but Heretical.

Make this your guideline in your faith/studies...

(Deut6)
"Love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength."

Base ALL of your spiritual decisons on this one verse. You will indeed see G-d/know the Truth.

Do NOT honor men, nor seek their approval. For men are evil/desiring their own throne. Seeking it by falsehood/preaching the Traditions of Men, as Doctrines of G-d. Their audience will accept it. For it tickles their ears.

Defending these traditions against G-d Almighty!
---John on 7/29/11


Malachi 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Soaps in Biblical times could be very harsh.

MIght this help?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/29/11


A well known example is the use of wine-skins (important to understand Mar 2:22 about not putting new wine into old wine skins, which having stretched and hardened would burst with the fermentation of new wine).

Another example is why being at the right side of the host at a meal was the favored position (as Jesus is now at the right hand of the Father). Most people being right handed, when reclining to eat, leaned on their left elbow and ate with the right hand. Thus they naturally turned their back toward the person on their left.

Probably the best and most complete book on customs of the time (hundreds of them) is Manners and Customs of the Bible by James Freeman. It's sheds new light on many scriptures.
---Donna66 on 7/29/11


//I wonder who taught the disciples manners at the table since Jesus was there?//

manners according to whom?

The Lord wants us as we are... reference Martha and Mary.

anyway, back to the question at hand...What insight can anybody share with the community concerning manners and customs of Biblical times and how they relate to scriptures?
---aka on 7/28/11


//I wonder if anyone ever burped at the last supper? LOL//

in many cultures around the world, burping and slurping are a sign that you are enjoying the food, the highest compliment to a chef.
---aka on 7/28/11




Bless you Cluny!

Always refreshing to hear from you!


And Cluny...
Christ is STILL Risen!
---John on 7/28/11


\\I wonder if I invited Jesus to come to my house for Lasagne dinner, would he come or would he find my place too messy?\\

Unless it were a vegetable lasagne dinner, I doubt Jesus would come, as He kept kosher.

But I'd love it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/11


I wonder if anyone ever burped at the last supper? LOL

I wonder who taught the disciples manners at the table since Jesus was there?

I wonder if I invited Jesus to come to my house for Lasagne dinner, would he come or would he find my place too messy? I work full time so I can only clean in bits and pieces on the weekends. Lord help me Jesus!
---Donna5535 on 7/28/11


\\Only that Christians of the 1st century and Believers of the OT are the Polar(180degrees) opposites of those who call themselves "Christians" today!\\

Not Orthodoxy, as we are the only church that started in the first century.

But you, John, are not OK at all. Not in the least.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/11


john, since the churches today are a far cry away, is there anything that you have to offer about these early churches that you can offer, so we can learn.

to be honest, with your one dimensional sawed-off shotgun approach to every blog, you fit right in with a subset of very modern "christians" and early followers who listened but would not hear.

no...

Lord, a similar question a while ago was hijacked a while ago. we ask you to preserve one question, so that we learn from you.
---aka on 7/27/11


jesus started his "undignified" run at 30.

Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and I will say to him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you.
Luk 15:19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Treat me as one of your hired servants."'
Luk 15:20 And he arose and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion, and ran and embraced him and kissed him.

try not to cry when you think how low the Lord stooped for His children.
---aka on 7/27/11


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Only that Christians of the 1st century and Believers of the OT are the Polar(180degrees) opposites of those who call themselves "Christians" today!

It makes you wonder if these Luvey-dovey, I'm okay You're okay, lets not judge, but be nice neutured "Christians ever read about the G-ds Holy people of the Bible.

How do these Phonies of Today reconcile and worship The G-d of the OT. Who ordered many times to "Slaughter all their men, woman, children, and infants leave nothing behind not one.

Because They have Drank the wine of the Harlet and follow Liberalism thinking they are following Christainity.

"And they will have a spirit of deception and shall be dumb, deaf and blind!"
---John on 7/27/11


//...salt being harvested from the dead sea for food preservation and seasoning...//

So valuable was good salt that salt was one item of compensation for the Roman soldiers. the "salt" that Jesus spoke of.. salt of the earth...a set aside people bringing spiritual value to those outside that will preserve and bring to "life".

in the middle east, men 30 and over do not run. it shows dignity. so, the father running to the prodigal son to meet him where he was, was lowering himself for the sake of his child. didn't Immanuel do the same?

great question.
---aka on 7/27/11


Francis, Great example.
I had forgotten this truth from my studies years ago.

Abraham in Gen 24:2 had his servant swear while touching his loins for by doing so the servant was swearing by a whole nation.

For an entire nation was to come out of Abraham's loins.

Thanks for that contribution.

Paul
---paul on 7/27/11


There are some things that are customs but not commands:
Example:Genesis 24:2 And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh:

Ruth 4:7 Now this [was the manner] in former time in Israel concerning redeeming and concerning changing, for to confirm all things, a man plucked off his shoe, and gave [it] to his neighbour: and this [was] a testimony in Israel.

These are customs, which are not commanded, they are cultural in nature and not part of the law of God
---francis on 7/27/11


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Here's an example:

Moses's "bill of divorcement".

Usually a divorce took place simply by the husband repudiating his wife and sending her away. (It's still this way in many cultures today.)

The big difference here is that the OT required that she be granted a tangible written document that she was divorced.

When Jesus gave Judas the sop at the Mystical Supper, it was a gesture that would have passed unnoticed by the others, as feeding each other tidbits is part and parcel middle eastern culture.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/11


Paul,
What you are wondering about are called "orientalisms". If you do a search for "bible orientalisms" you will find near the top a book called "Orientalisms in Bible Lands" which can be downloaded or read on line. This and other such works are useful to gain insight into the culture of the middle east in biblical times.
---Bruce5656 on 7/27/11



Bill

Unfortunately their will always be those who will search out ways to disregard scripture.

But what I am looking for are explanations of scriptures, which we see from a western world view, to be contextualized in the eastern cutler for furtherance of our understanding of the intended results by Christ.

To understand why Christ said what He said and to see it through the eyes of the original audience without our eastern influence.

Paul
---paul on 7/27/11


I think there are people who are finding ways to throw out Bible commands, by saying those commandments were for only while certain cultural things were happening. For example, ones say that the early church had husbands seated away from their wives, and so their wives were calling questions across the assembly to their husbands, right during church. Paul says, "women should remain silent in the churches", in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, and wives should ask their husbands questions at home, instead. But ones say this silence order is meant to put down women and it is not for today. But whispering to someone next to you can be distracting and disrespectful. We all need this, then, not only women (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/27/11


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Mt 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

My studies have led to this being an illustration of salt being harvested from the dead sea for food preservation and seasoning.

Often times the salt which had been exposed to uv rays on top of the salt mound would be void of useful minerals due to bakeing.

This salt would be used for traction on the temple floors which was illustrative of being no good except to be troden under foot of man.
---paul on 7/27/11


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