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Would you still proclaim the gospel, suffer for the gospel, defend the gospel, and rejoice in the gospel if you didn't belong to your or any denominational church?

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We are all United by the one he gave. The power of the Holy Spirit given unto us by the Power of Prayer. Blessed then shall your life be through the trinity of God and exceptance of Jesus Christ who died for all those that believe. God Bless
---Chris on 8/14/11


I've seen Him raise up, where little to none was "available". If God is in it, He is able, and not only can, but WILL provide.
---chria9396 on 8/8/11

You are a living witness.

America was a fine example, regardless of some man made errors.
I've seen blessing and healing personally and otherwise myself.
May our GOD forgive and continue to bless us all.

May he guide us to remove that which curses us individually and collectively.
---Trav on 8/9/11


"Regrettably independent churches will always be second rate operations as they lack the resources that mainline denominations possess irrespective of their theologies.
---Blogger9211 on 8/5/11

Well this is true. Especially when you use money as your ruler or yardstick in this case." Trav

As for resources, i do not look to a denomination, established or not. God's resources are infinite. I've seen Him raise up, where little to none was "available". If God is in it, He is able, and not only can, but WILL provide.
---chria9396 on 8/8/11


Regrettably independent churches will always be second rate operations as they lack the resources that mainline denominations possess irrespective of their theologies.
---Blogger9211 on 8/5/11

Well this is true. Especially when you use money as your ruler or yardstick in this case.

We also find all the highest ranked University's were began in this country by Christians organized.
They have devolved from their fine Christian beginnings. to something unrecognizable by a simple ole Christian.

I find the Glorious Churches and works like Oral Roberts for example the same. Devolouton.
You err in that 12 Apostles in sandals still provide foundation material for anything. With OT blueprints.
---Trav on 8/8/11


The gospel is that Christ died for your sins and have eternal life. That is the gospel.
Christ teaching is that love your enemies, depravity, slow to anger, sermon on the mount stuff. They are different. Still important but different.
---Scott1 on 8/8/11




Trav--We are all accountable to God...pastors in a special way. But sometimes a little wise human supervision...and the potential for human censure... can keep us headed in the right direction.
---Donna66 on 8/7/11

I've never said there were not any Pastors. They are rare-rare. Scripture underlines this.
Interestingly enough either way they can help one.
You can flee the Wolf or unqualified. Or weigh the scripture and heart of the qualified.
I can watch the News,Newspaper and see no one Qualified making News. Rebuking either the people or the atrocity's going on.
A condition found in both testaments.
---Trav on 8/8/11


Trav--We are all accountable to God...pastors in a special way. But sometimes a little wise human supervision...and the potential for human censure... can keep us headed in the right direction.
---Donna66 on 8/7/11


David, I disagreed with you on the elementary teachings of the Gospels. Not the elementry teachings of Christ. ---Mark_V. on 8/7/11

Mark
I guess I misunderstood.
Most Christians believe the Gospels to be the teachings of Jesus Christ.
I wasn't aware that under your doctrine, the Gospels and the teachings of Christ are not the same thing.

If your church doesn't reguard the teachings of Christ as the Gospels, what does your church think the Bible means when it talks about the Gospels of Christ?
---David on 8/7/11


David, I disagreed with you on the elementary teachings of the Gospels. Not the elementry teachings of Christ. The gospels are the meat of the word. They teach that salvation is by grace through faith. The elememtry teachings were only the milk. The milk saved no one. Repentance through dead works is not true repentance of the heart. Even if people know the basic concerning Christ without faith in Jesus works on the cross there is no salvation. Old T. people did not want to move forward to what was the meat. I see today many who do not want to move forward and is the reason they continue to give the elementry Oracles of God, but do not want to go to the real meat.
---Mark_V. on 8/7/11


David, Hebrews 6, The elementary principles of Christ is the place to start, not stop as Jews were doing.
---Mark_V. on 8/6/11

Mark
On 7/31/11 you told me that I was wrong, that Paul didn't call the teachings of Christ elementary.
Now you are calling the teachings of Christ elementary.
Are we now both wrong?
---David on 8/6/11




David, Hebrews 6, The elementary principles of Christ is the place to start, not stop as Jews were doing. They are the gate on the road to salvation. Those principles were the "Oracles of God" (Heb. 5:12). The writer is referring to basic O.T. teaching that prepaired the way for Messiah-the beginning teachings about Christ include the 6 features in (v. 1,2)
"Go on to perfection" (v. 1) Perfection is salvation by faith in Messiah Jesus, (v. 5:) which is the meat. The writer tells the Jews that there is no value in stopping with the O.T. basics and repeating again what was intented to be fundamental, the milk. "Repentance from dead works" was an O.T. repentance which brought no salvation.
---Mark_V. on 8/6/11


Mark
What was Paul referring to when he mentioned "Milk and Soild food"?
When children are born, do they start off by eating solid food, or are they weaned on milk?
If you feed a child, meant to have milk, the solid food, will they not choke?
Isn't milk the foundational food for a child?

Was Paul really taking about food? Wasn't he just using it as a comparative between the Gospels of Christ and his teachings of Grace?
(Isaiah 28:9-10)
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little:

---David on 8/6/11


Independent churches simply lack the financial and manpower resources to be able efficiently engage in most areas of Christian education development and national and international mission activities. The can be marginally effective in some local geographic areas and unless they are mega church in a high income metropolitan statistical area,. they can never found a college or seminary, operate a hospital or retirement home for members and pastors. Regrettably independent churches will always be second rate operations as they lack the resources that mainline denominations possess irrespective of their theologies.
---Blogger9211 on 8/5/11


David, I disagree. You said
"Paul called the Gospels Elementary because they are fundamental teachings, or the foundation of teachings for which the church was built."
Paul didn't call the teachings of the Gospel of Christ elementary.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/11

Mark
Sorry I didn't see your post earlier.
(Hebrews 5:12)NIV
In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of Gods word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

What are the Elementary Truths Paul is talking about?
---David on 8/5/11


My non-denom church has many levels of accountablility. Pastor has other pastor's he is accountable to for personal and church issues. My church has board of directors who controls all the money. Staff writes PO's then approved by BOD. Leadership team at church holds each other accountable. An S & P 500 company level audits the church twice a year. And always God as the ultimate accountablilty. There are many ways that pastors can find accountablilty without having strict top-down denominational structure if they choose to have it.


---Scott1 on 8/5/11


Donom. or non-denom. the pastor should be accountable to God and his congregation.
---michael_e on 8/5/11


Amen. He will be whether he truly believes it or not.
This below is just as revelant today as then.
I have burning distaste myself for effeminates posturing as or the wolfie's.

Jeremiah 23:2
Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people, Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
---Trav on 8/5/11


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//I think, is that their pastor is accountable to no one.//
Donom. or non-denom. the pastor should be accountable to God and his congregation.
---michael_e on 8/5/11


The biggest problem with "non" denominational churches, I think, is that their pastor is accountable to no one. ---Donna66 on 8/4/11

Donna...you are a thinker. Think this the rest of the way through.

Who are denom or (non)preachers accountable too? GOD.
There are no police for GOD in the modern dairy farm churches.
We, are all accountable to GOD. We have our own due diligence, responsibility to accept or discard.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, few there be that find it.

It is a probability that the denom churches are becoming the wide way.

Word above is "Few". Diametric to "All".
---Trav on 8/5/11


The biggest problem with "non" denominational churches, I think, is that their pastor is accountable to no one. It's OK if the the doctrine is basically sound (i.e. not grossly "heretical" to the majority of churches) and the administration is honest.
But without oversight there is always a risk of a church becoming "cultic", unethical,
or even fraudulent financially or otherwise.
---Donna66 on 8/4/11


The problem is when an independent churches ....they end up floundering and eventually closing if the problem is not recoverable.
---Blogger9211 on 8/2/11

History has also shown what happens by "Organized" floundering of men.
The O.T. documents well how organization by men ends.

In Israels History it culminated in the death of Christ by the organization.

We can take a faithful group of any claiming Christians and buy a Hymnal. Collect good will $$ for the needy,visit orphans and widows.
We don't need your denom or any denom's blessing to organize or authorize what is basic to follow and believe.
I'll take scriptural fundamentals over directed denom floundering any day.
---Trav on 8/3/11


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The problem is when an independent churches get into some sort of trouble and there is lack of a connectional church support system, they end up floundering and eventually closing if the problem is not recoverable.

Denominations provide support systems. Commonality of tenants of faith, style of worship. The operate their own seminaries, train pastors, adjunct professionals. They develop church school curriculums, hymnals, training programs. They can operate far superior mission programs on a national and international basis simply because they have a better funding base and it is easier for them to respond to disaster relief efforts by having palletized relief supplies near air ports with funds to deliver supplies to problem areas.
---Blogger9211 on 8/2/11


Agreed. I fellowship at various church communities as my allegiance is to my only pastor/shepherd, Jesus.

Sure made it hard to get a message across.
---Haz27 on 8/1/11

My radio picked up your signal Haz. Didn't know about the attempts to post though.

Where ever Christ found himself he functioned as the occasion warranted.
His mission determined the response.
Scriptural witnesses cannot be annulled by any denom or doctrine of man.
What can these scriptural witnesses establishing "Truth" fear? Nothing.

But, untruth...dreads exposure.
---Trav on 8/2/11


All denominations are divisions and divisions do not bring about unity.
---mima on 8/1/11
1 Corinthians 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you, and I partly believe it.

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.


It is through these divisions that HERESY is exposed, and those who are aproves of God can stand out
---Francis on 8/2/11


Steven, denominational or none denominational churches do not make a Christian, the Holy Spirit does by baptizing believers into one spiritual body in Christ, called the Bride of Christ, the spiritual Church. Denominational and none denominatioal churches are place of gathering by believers. In them you find both Wheat and tares mixed together. Some who have already committed their life's to Christ by faith, and others who are in the process to commit. There is also false teachers in the visible Churches who are there to deceive believers. They were a problem in the early church and they still are today. Believers can proclaim the Gospel of Christ anywhere. Churches are visible places were believers gather whether in a building cave or a home.
---Mark_V. on 8/2/11


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donna66, even in your condesending manner, what you said is true, except what you said about the OT. Baptist use it as an example. People are leaving a doctrinal sound church because they don't want to hear the truth. I never said all baptist doctrinal sound. There are many many who are not sound. I am thankful to have found one that is. Oh, I did walk out of a baptist church once.
---shira3877 on 8/2/11


Shira3877 -- I don't disagree. Of course, you can walk out of any church you want. That's the risk you take in visiting a "non-denominational" church. You might (or might not) encounter something with which you disagree.
Some people attend a new church out of curiosity. Some aren't sure about denominational differences. But if they don't like it, they won't come back.If you like "Baptist", stay with "Baptist".

My present "non-denominational" church, (which I visited as a newcomer to the area) could easily be called Baptist, doctrinally. But as a group, they left a Baptist church that followed O.T dietary rules. So now, at this church, regarding diet...anything goes!
---Donna66 on 8/1/11


mima said:
"All denominations are divisions and divisions do not bring about unity."

True.
1Cor 1:12-13
"Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul, and I of Apollos....
Is Christ divided?"

Also true how sometimes these denominations abuse those who avoid their divisionism.
I even had a pastor anonymously calling me derogatory names during a church sermon even, simply because I didn't attach myself to mans denominations.
---Haz27 on 8/1/11


Trav said:
"It is interesting in that I'm free to go into any Church of Man not pledging allegience to any "Name" but my Saviour.

There are sheep in all Christ centered pastures(Churches) that are can be recognized as Sheep."

Agreed. I fellowship at various church communities as my allegiance is to my only pastor/shepherd, Jesus.

Also interesting in that other blog about 9 of my posts failed to be posted towards the end of the blog. Must be a record. Someone doesn't like comments exposing the Humanist/Left I guess.
Sure made it hard to get a message across.
---Haz27 on 8/1/11


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mima, what you said about denominations and spirituality is totally false. You really don't need to say anything unless you know what you are talking about. I have never heard anything so absurd in my life. I addressed the question about proclaiming the gospel if you didn't belong to any denomination.
---shira3877 on 8/1/11


donna66, your post to elder and van proved what I said is true about non denominational churches. When you go from one to another, you never know what you get once you get inside. Why are so many turning from their faith and get in a place where anything goes. I just don't get it...maybe. I even went to one who was slaying "in the spirit". Glad I was sitting on the back row so I could walk out.
---shira3877 on 8/1/11


Donna,
I know that there are both "oneness" and "trinity" Pentecostals.
Sadly, it shoud be neither, but both should seek the "fullness" of the gospel and "fullness" Godhead.
As written, in him is the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
Have a good day kiddo and may God bless.
---Frank on 8/1/11


the church is the bride of christ,and we as individual believers,and followers are the church,not a building,or a particular denomination
---tom2 on 8/1/11


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Excellent question,
All denominations are divisions and divisions do not bring about unity.
Today not so many, but in the past, many people have come to me in an attempt to bring me into their denomination. I have been offered money for the names I gather up for the drawings I have for the prizes I give away. There is almost a perfect correlation between those who are strongly denominational and those who have little spirituality.
Those with strong spirituality draw cutting remarks from those without spirituality. Ritualism and spirituality cannot exist side-by-side for they are direct opposites of each other.
---mima on 8/1/11


For us there's no middle-men (denominations) to God.
---Haz27 on 7/28/11

Your phrase is the essence of my feelings on the subject.

It is interesting in that I'm free to go into any Church of Man not pledging allegience to any "Name" but my Saviour.

There are sheep in all Christ centered pastures(Churches) that are can be recognized as Sheep.

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus,
---Trav on 8/1/11


Are denominations needed?
Yes - For example if you move and want to find a similiar church to the previous one you left denominations help. Denomination allows separate churches to work together. Having many denominations prevents a single denomination from going to extremes. Example penecostal who are all HS and Baptist who have HS just a little bit. Spread religion, the RCC expanded outside of europe after the protestant reformation. Different people need different types of Christianity preferences not precepts.
No - Fights/wars can erupt between denominations. People can idol the denominations and not God. "Is that pastor a baptist preacher because I only listen to baptist preacher" Bad theology can spread to many churchs.
---Scott1 on 8/1/11


let me make an observation or point. I live in western pa ,in washington county,in the new phone book under churches ,by count,there are 41 denomination headings listed for churches,41let your fingers do the walking thru the yellow pages has certainly gotten out of control,and so have the denominations.
---tom2 on 8/1/11


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//non denominational churches are a break away from other denominations. "anything goes" is what I have witnessed.//

shira3877-- I agree with your first statement, but certainly not your last. I guess it depends on where you are coming from and what YOU have witnessed.

Frank: a large number of pentecostal churches (e.g. Assemblies of God, Foursqare) decidedly do NOT believe in the "oneness" doctrine of the UPC.
---Donna66 on 7/31/11


Our non-denominational church believes the word of God and does not believe in anything goes.
Many start out because they do not wish to be accountanle to the word and turn the grace of God into lasciviousness.
An example of our beliefs are in the baptism of the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues. The local Baptists don't believe in it but we do so we will not let their doctrine limit us. Neither will we be limited by the oneness doctrine of the Pentecostals. And, we do not believe in using the ways of the world and compromise to bring people in. If the Spirit leads them in so be it. But, we will not turn for the world and damn ourselves to please others.
---Frank on 7/31/11


David, I disagree. You said
"Paul called the Gospels Elementary because they are fundamental teachings, or the foundation of teachings for which the church was built."
Paul didn't call the teachings of the Gospel of Christ elementary. They are the meat, not the milk. The Jews were drinking milk, for the elementary of Jesus Christ teachings were the "Oracles of God" given to those in the Old Testament. The oracles did not save anyone, for no one could keep the law. He told them to "leave the elementary principles of Christ, and go on to perfection and not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God"
Christ atoning sacrifce saved from 'dead works."
---Mark_V. on 7/31/11


denominaton has nothing to do with christianity, the one true Church is the body of Christ as was revealed to the apostle Paul, and he revealed to us.
1 Cor. 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
---michael_e on 7/31/11


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donna 66, you made my point. non denominational churches are a break away from other denominations. "anything goes" is what I have witnessed. There is one kind of independent baptist. There are many kinds of baptist I agree but there is only one kind of independent baptist. personally, when I attach myself to a church, I really do need to know what their doctrine is.
---shira3877 on 7/31/11


A lot of people wouldn't know what "independent baptist" means either since there are so many different kinds of Baptist. They might see them as some break-away group.
That's exactly what some non-denominational churches are. Some did not arise out of an individual ministry but developed doctrinal differences with the denomination that originally founded them. They haven't affiliated with another denomination, however, thus they are "non- denominational." For example, a church in my area that used to be XXX Church of Christ is now just XXX Church. Same group as before but their doctrine changed!

it is difficult for an outsider to anticipate what to expect at any given "non-denominational church".
---Donna66 on 7/30/11


donna66, the problem with non denominational is you never know what they believe. I have said it before, I am an independent baptist and people know exactly what I believe. Many churches are non denominational now, trying to draw the crowds who think anything goes. I would just like to be what Jesus said we should be but on the other hand don't want to be associated with the church of christ. So....I will just continue to be a baptist.
---shira3877 on 7/30/11


Elder and Trav---Non-denominational churches are not all alike! Some are not even similar to each other. Some are small, some are large. Some are evangelical, and or charasmatic...some are neither of these. The thing they have in common is that that the sign in front doesn't tell what doctrines they adhere to. And their doctrines do not adhere STRICTLY to any specific denomination.
---Donna66 on 7/29/11


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"Those of us here who are NON-denominational....."
When will people realize that the non-denominational sect is a Denomination?
---Elder on 7/29/11

Thought it was neat that you wrote this. It was a thought of mine also.
Non Denom is turning into a denomination of it's own eccumenical lines.

It's hard enough to be a Christian foundationally. We have no need for a brace/prop. Calvin,Wesley,Smith etc, etc.
All of whom were confused in their own emotional muddling.
A relative of mine went to a NonDenom church. The speaker/teacher was ex Catholic. Now what slant do suppose she got weekly?
---Trav on 7/29/11


I really have a problem in distinguishing between those groups that claim to belong to a denomination and those who claim to not belong to a denomination.

Most 'non-denominational' groups have a simple statement of beliefs that match those of what is viewed as 'denominational'.

I would say much depends upon the local church and its leadership.

Those in Christ WILL Suffer For Their Beliefs in one way or another. If we are in Christ, the world discriminates against us, if we fail to follow Christ, then we suffer from His discipline.
---leej on 7/29/11


//Sorry, Donna, but you cannot be yoked to Christ without also being yoked to a visible local body.
---Cluny on 7/28/11//

Cluny, you are in error here. Ask any anointed Pastor because I know people who are YOKED TO A CHURCH and do not know scripture nor do they have a solid relationship with the Lord.

"You have been one that is willing to be strong in me" says the Lord. I have poured my faithfulness into your life and I want you to pour that into other's lives says the Lord.

Cluny, I wouldn't be getting words from the Lord like this if I wasn't yoked to HIM.

The problem with being yoked to a church is that the people forget their fellowship is with the Lord Jesus Christ, not with the church.
---Donna5535 on 7/29/11


"Those of us here who are NON-denominational....."
When will people realize that the non-denominational sect is a Denomination?
Face it, no matter what you say the above statement is true!!
---Elder on 7/29/11


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"Would you still proclaim the gospel, suffer for the gospel, defend the gospel, and rejoice in the gospel if you didn't belong to your or any denominational church?"
Of course. The gospel I share is the Gospel of Christ and His kingdom. That has nothing to do with denominationalism.
---joseph on 7/29/11


My faith doesn't depend on any particular church or denomination. I've belonged to churches of at least four different denominations (and many more individual churches) at different times over the years. Not all of these churches agreed with each other about a number of things. My present church is "non-denominational".

I've never belonged to a denomination that taught that they were the "one true church".... nor would I.

My faith is in Jesus Christ, my Savior, and in the Bible, God's Word. That does not change.
---Donna66 on 7/29/11


I wouldn't be in a denominal. I came out, God saved me from one, & No need to return. Thank God.
---Lawrence on 7/29/11


Paul called the teachings of Christ, "Elementary".
He called the Gospels Elementary because they are fundamental teachings, or the foundation of teachings for which the church was built.
Paul did this, most denominations do not.

Example: If you have been taught in your denomination that you, a sinner, are not a slave of Sin, read what Christ taught in (John 8:34).
If you have been taught that walking in the ways of the Lord counts for nothing for those who shall be saved, read the Gospels again, and see what Jesus taught on this subject.

Many of you will find that it is not Christ you are following.

---David on 7/29/11


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there are those who serve the Lord Jesus Christ inside or outside a particular denomination. they are usually the ones that reach out to those outside of the Lord inside or outside of a particular denomination.
---aka on 7/28/11


\\I am NOT yoked to a church, I am yoked to HIM.\\

Sorry, Donna, but you cannot be yoked to Christ without also being yoked to a visible local body.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/11


Good question Steveng:
Those of us here who are NON-denominational would answer yes to your Blog question.

For us there's no middle-men (denominations) to God.

But I suspect denominational Christians would give varying answers based on how strong their ties are to their denomination.

I sometimes wonder if some denominational Christians proclaim the gospel mainly to sell their brand of church.
---Haz27 on 7/28/11


Do not think that demominations are all bad. infact it is very good.

1 Corinthians 11:18 I hear that there be divisions among you, and I partly believe it.
1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

There are many haresies in chrostainity, The ONE group / church/ denomination that is aproved of God is made manefest. Thus people cna accept or reject the truth without being deceived

---Francis on 7/28/11


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\\Never felt the need for Demon-nations!
---John on 7/28/11\\

In other words, you say to the rest of the Body of Christ, "I don't need you!"

That's just another reason why you're not OK, John.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/11


Never felt the need for Demon-nations!
---John on 7/28/11


Trav on 7/28/11. Agree. Especially with "Ecclesiastes 4:9
Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their labour.
Ecclesiastes 4:12
And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him, and a threefold cord is not quickly broken."
---chria9396 on 7/28/11


\\That is why I am non-denominational.
---Frank on 7/28/11\\

Oh, you've not non-denominational, Frank.

You're QUITE denominational.

You might be a denomination of just one person, but I'm sure you'd fit right in to one of the existing ones.

In any case, it's dangerous to run ahead of God, which is all you're doing. That's that Luther did, and it's not stopped with the western denominations.

And we never stopped baptizing by immersion.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/11


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As I said before in another post. denominations actually seperate people instead of helping. it divides Christians even further.
---Candice on 7/28/11

You said well. Most are gathered in the Dominion/denom name.
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Ecclesiastes 4:9
Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their labour.
Ecclesiastes 4:12
And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him, and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.
---Trav on 7/28/11


Yes. I do this anyway. As I said before in another post. denominations actually seperate people instead of helping. it divides Christians even further.
---Candice on 7/28/11


Yes because I do NOT belong to any denominational church.

I am NOT yoked to a church, I am yoked to HIM...the Lord Jesus Christ and God Our Father and His Holy Spirit.

I am proclaiming His Glorious Ways to people everyday. I suffer much persecution by my family (they think I'm in a cult and they're going to heaven and I'm going to hell) it's hard and it hurts, but I do it because I love God and Jesus and Holy Spirit.

To the degree you love Him, is the desgree you will proclaim His Glory upon this earth.

You are and should be yoked to HIM, not to a denominational church.
---Donna5535 on 7/28/11


Peter boasted to Jesus that Peter would go with Jesus "both to prison and to death" (in in Luke 22:33), then he denied Jesus three times. So, I would be careful about boasting or promising that we will do something for Jesus, but pray and offer ourselves to God for all He knows is true, and trust Him to have us succeed. And I would give my attention to Jesus, instead of picking on denominations in order to make myself feel superior. Jesus used the Jewish temple and scripture reading activity for God's purpose. We can use anything for God's intention > Genesis 50:19-21.
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/28/11


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denominationa exist because people dont agree,they allow people to justify their existance because of this fact.in reality there is only one church,one bride,one believer,one way.
---tom2 on 7/28/11


"Would you still proclaim the gospel, suffer for the gospel, defend the gospel, and rejoice in the gospel if you didn't belong to your or any denominational church?" Of course. I belong to the body of Christ, and have had the pleasure of worshiping at many different churches, and the unity of the body of Christ is not bound by 4 walls, or doctrines of men. The church I most frequently attend is nondenominational, but I've been to many denominations, with a variety of "styles" of worship, all bible based. I've also been to a "dead" church, and couldn't wait to be among true believers.
---chria9396 on 7/28/11


Most denominations were started where one man went farther and God blessed it. Such as Luther/Lutherans.
When he passed the members quit going farther and stayed where they were when he passed. The Lord only blesses the extent of that denomination.
Some choose to go farther. The Lord blessed to where their leader passed and they too stopped.
That is why you can see a ladder of sorts in the churches from the Protestant christening to Baptist baptizing full immersion with repentance to Pentecostal full immersion baptizing with the baptism of the Holy Ghost and evidence of speaking in tongues. It also shows where many's faith stops when they are afraid to go farther.
I choose to keep going. That is why I am non-denominational.
---Frank on 7/28/11


But I'm not a member of a denominational church.

I'm a member of the world's only pre-denominational Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/11


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Steveng

I think for the most part people over all serve Christ not a Church.

A lot of people, through obedience to scriptures, serve God in a Church.

Where people get off coarse is when their willing to turn a deaf ear to God for the sake of their denomination.

The truth is the truth no matter what any man says, when it comes down to it let God be truth and every defiant man a liar.
---paul on 7/28/11


No, I would not suffer for the gospel if it were not for the Church. The Church is the bride of Christ. The Church is still the best way of reaching a lost world. Through my church I have suffered for ministry, minimize my selfishness, traveled on mission trips, helped friends, have kingdom vision, love for other people, challenged to grow, Bible study, and most important love Christ and a christian. This is why I love my church and the Church. The Church allows a definition of following Christ. "Do not for go meeting together in homes and in large groups" Apostle Paul. Scott is now Scott1
---Scott1 on 7/28/11


How can two walk together unless they agree?
Imagine if everyone on Christianet were in the same denomination! How would they walk together? There is not even an agreement here on baptism. That is the value of denomination: Those who agree ( WRONG OR RIGHT) gather together
---Francis on 7/28/11


first of all, I am baptist, not generic. I wouldn't change anything I do or have done. I will continue being a baptist and worship The Lord in everything I do.
---shira3877 on 7/28/11


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Of course I would. In Bible days there were only two people groups (Jews and Gentiles) or believers and nonbelievers. Denominations did not exist, they are a man-made creation, and NOT of God. When you know this, then preaching the Gospel and suffering for the Gospel is easy. It is then that you truly realize that if you do not preach the Gospel to the lost, they will go to Hell, and their blood will be on your hands.
---Leslie on 7/28/11


The people who claim to be Christians accountable to no one but God usually don't suffer for the Gospel, but rather cause their listeners to suffer for the Gospel because of their irrational tirades. :-)
---John.usa on 7/27/11


The denomination DID NOT die for me & save me. Christ did. The denomination is only where I choose to worship my LORD. Nothing more, nothing less. God is the reason I worship. Not my denomination. The Gospel & the denomination are two completely different things are far as I'm concerned. The Gospel is from God. Denomination is from man. The Gospel I believe in stands on its on.
---Reba on 7/27/11


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