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Woman Bishop Biblical Title

Does anyone have a problem with calling a woman pastor "bishop?" She appointed herself Pastor of a very small church (family only attends) then she got the title Bishop I guess because she got ordained. Would you have a hard time calling someone you worked with Bishop?

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It is NonChristian and unbiblical. Back to the Bible people, and back to obedience and The Way of Righteousness.

Are you refering to all ministries or those of women alone?
---andy3996 on 8/10/11


It is NonChristian and unbiblical. Back to the Bible people, and back to obedience and The Way of Righteousness.
---Eloy on 8/8/11


Carla, i couldn't agree with you more, nevertheless
apostle prophet evangelist pastor teacher Bishop deacon. which one do you concider a "title" they are all functions in ministry. and have a specifique task. anyone using these jobdescriptions as a "title" didn't ghet the picture.
reverend, esteemed, his holliness, these are titles indeed. one should not be confused with the other. GOD bless you Carla. i loved your point.
---andy3996 on 8/8/11


women don't need a title, the only name we are supposed to know is Jesus's name above and beyond that is vanity....

my humble opinion

ShalomX
---Carla on 8/8/11


Rhonda, a woman noted amongst the apostles IS an apostle,
Phoebe was a succourer over many, (prostatis in greek)
simple translation would say a woman leader, or more correct to be set over, to be a guardian, to be a woman superintendent. (comparing with the word Episkopos, one notes a ressemblance in meaning).
among the apostles is correctly interpreted "in the group of apostles".
again, the bible does not mention women bishops literally, yet the bible, both old and new name woman apostles, and prophetesses.
i have not come to YOUR vision,
I proclaim Truth of GOD.
---andy3996 on 8/8/11




i showed through Romans 16 a woman noted amongst the apostles
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perfect than it looks like you finally have the CORRECT understanding!! your previous post stated the women were Apostles I see now you have the correct understanding these women were simply WITH the Apostles

many women were among Christ too - however HIS church is spiritual and His government does not include women as clearly outlined in Holy Scripture

Christs CHURCH did not EXIST prior to His earthly ministry so previous examples of women leading are for Israel not the CHURCH
---Rhonda on 8/7/11


rhonda, what can be given to anyone rejecting bible truth? i gave Judith, Deborah Hanna and a few other old testament profetesses. i showed through Romans 16 a woman noted amongst the apostles, Shira did notargue with BIBLE examples, only YOU. i added that also I NEVER SAID there are women BISHOPS in the bible (why should i lie to convince anyone of truth?) but then again when i see your blogs i wonder, where's your humbleness, according your standards your not supposed to have an opinion, but still you yell and shout at "superior men".
you owe God an apology.
PS I DO NOT SEE MYSELF SUPERIOR
---andy3996 on 8/6/11


Shira, maybe you didn't read the foregoing bloggs either if so you would have know that i was correcting Rhonda
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correcting me??? seeing you cannot provide Shira with Holy Scripture when SHE ASKED laughable you are deceived into thinking youare correcting

many who are on their high pulpit dismiss and reject WORD of God prefering mans ideas ABOUT the Word ...funny you don't understand meaning of AMONG yet demand others to consult a dictionary!! a curious thing indeed

and dearest this is a BLOG to share not a preaching session ..sharing inspires preaching proves you are one of MANY who come in Christs name yet are without Christ ...I do not follow men who do not FOLLOW Christ and His Word and BTW Christ is NOT King YET
---Rhonda on 8/6/11


then again Shira, maybe you didn't read the foregoing bloggs either if so you would have know that i was correcting Rhonda instead,
CHRIST IS KING
---andy3996 on 8/4/11


only pointing out to rhonda that i was talking in sinceriry to you not to ghet called a liar. by a third person who reads apparently only half of the blogs. nothing personal
---andy3996 on 8/4/11




andy, what in the world are you talking about?
---shira3877 on 8/4/11


i did not say that women are bishop's in the bible either. my words in a blogg adressed to Shira,

still you owe me an apologie,
you owe yourself a dictionary to find out what words your throwing totally meaningless
and to God a sinners prayer
then again i cannot expect of a a non-anglophonian to use the language correctely.
i need to be carefull to not to use wrong words for good ideas.
MAY HIS FREEDOM BRING US IN HIS WAY
---andy3996 on 8/3/11


it is evident that in slandering me of being a liar, you proclaim onlyyour own shortcommings
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your LIES were simply antichrist to Holy Scripture ...you slander yourself by contradicting Holy Scripture

TRUTH in Romans 16 these women were SIMPLY WITH the Apostles they had no "authority" in the Church

how sad if a false minister (or more likely a wicked women) has DECEIVED you into believing Romans 16 says something different than what is PLAINLY written
---Rhonda on 8/2/11


Shira. some, apostles, some judges, some prophetess, some called to be queen, all where rulers of the people of God, and yes, women in the bible do take a "second place", why is that? because a man (Adam)failed, so a man (Jesus) had to save. i did not say that women are bishop's in the bible either, but biblically spoken, Apostles established bishops and evangelists founded churches. besides, the term s for churchhierarchy in the NT was limited to Bishops (masc)Elders,(undefined) and deacons (undefined). i just found some interesting blogs about the churchmothers,
---andy3996 on 8/2/11


Shira. some, apostles, some judges, some prophetess, some called to be queen, all where rulers of the people of God, and yes, women in the bible do take a "second place", why is that? because a man (Adam)failed, so a man (Jesus) had to save. i did not say that women are bishop's in the bible either, but biblically spoken, Apostles established bishops and evangelists founded churches. besides, the term s for churchhierarchy in the NT was limited to Bishops (masc)Elders,(undefined) and deacons (undefined). i just found some interesting blogs about the churchmothers,
---andy3996 on 8/2/11


Rhonda as you invite me too live in lie, you should not demean mighty servants of God because of your own fears.
JUDITH, DEBORAH,ANNA, are only three names of women in prophetic authority. yet of course i did proof to you biblically that you cannot win with honnest bibleresearch, it is evident that in slandering me of being a liar, you proclaim onlyyour own shortcommings
CHRIST IS LIGHT.
---andy3996 on 8/1/11


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andy, show me one scripture where women are pastors or bishops. I never said women weren't important and didn't mean to imply that. I have read about the great women in the bible. Many were in important positions but none were pastors or bishops.
---shira3877 on 8/1/11


BIBLICALLY, women always played important roles in both secular and religious matters. should a woman rule a man, no in marriage we have the divine order,
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as for MEN leading in marriage the example at home YET these men are RULED by women in Church? absurd and implied seeing Romans 16 does not support the LIE either


Romans 16 says these women were AMONG the Apostles ...AMONG is not a definition of BEING an Apostle ...live your lie if you choose however Holy Scripture is clear these women were simply WITH the Apostles they WERE NOT Apostles
---Rhonda on 8/1/11


whether mankind has a problem is irrelevant - however her "church" contradicts Holy Scripture

it is the worlds way verses Gods way ...

Gods Way is not mans way which is why man continuously rebels to have it his way essentially rejecting...
---Rhonda on 7/31/11

Irrelevant...if someone else posts about it you mean.

Revelant if you post it. We all stand humbled.

This one below applies equally these days, disciples of men or of women. Men are like women and women desiring to be men.
Acts 20:30
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
---Trav on 8/1/11


Rhonda, her a few examples of NT women ministers, Phoebe, a traveling minister (compare Phillip the evangelist) Anna the prophetess (luke). Julia, in Romans mentioned toghether with other churchleaders, Junia, a noted WOMAN apostle (romans 16:7)euoidas and eutyche two fellow labourers with Paul.
BIBLICALLY, women always played important roles in both secular and religious matters. should a woman rule a man, no in marriage we have the divine order, yet again should any man be a dictator in his house? marriage is a cooperative. theres an executive ans colaborators, yet all have their valued input. can a woman lead the church? it happened in the NT, and it depends wether you consider ministry as a POSITION OR a SERVANTHOOD...
---andy3996 on 8/1/11


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whether mankind has a problem is irrelevant - however her "church" contradicts Holy Scripture

no women ever served higher than a deaconess

it is the worlds way verses Gods way ...the world shouts discrimination and men and women should be equal so women persuade men who are weak in understanding to appoint them to be "fair" by the worlds ways NOT Gods ways

there were twelve disciples all men ...Apostles all men

Christ didn't forget women in HIS CHURCH we just do not have authority to lead in ANY capacity ...Gods Way is not mans way which is why man continuously rebels to have it his way essentially rejecting God ...cannot want God in your life yet reject and dismiss His EVERY Word
---Rhonda on 7/31/11


I personally have not seen any women bishops or pastors in the bible by Command, by criteria, or by example.
Maybe there is, but I have not yet seen it
---francis on 7/31/11


Trav, I disagree with this statement you made: Men need women...women need men.

Sorry for the rant, but I see more women supporting men then men supporting women.
---anon on 7/29/11

Anon... sounds like you have the right to rant. Desire to be a man to my wife saved my life. Both been blessed. We are unperfect to all degrees as Men.
There is message/allegory in GOD's relationship. Most beautiful "Love" story in the universe.
GOD marries. Jer 3:14. A people. He shows how the relationship should and could work.
He ends up divorcing putting away the wife in part. Jer 3:8,Isa 50:1.
But, he will remarry the put away/far off. Matt 22:2.
You and I would not be here but for this imperfect relationship.
---Trav on 7/31/11


shira, does the name Deborah ring a bell? she was a judge (highest authority in Israel before the kings), do a search for Aquila and his wife Priscila who taught the apostle appolos deeper in the way. Phoebe a coworkerr with Paul, all the old testament prophetesses. i guess that your response is build upon lack of knowledge upon the matter.
---andy3996 on 7/31/11


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I will not call any woman pastor, bishop, elder, preacher because God has never called a woman to preach.
---shira3877 on 7/30/11


concerning wives and husbands, 1 Cor 7:1-7 & 11-17 & 28-29, verse 38-40, 1 cor 11:11-12, 1 tim 4:1-4, 5:14, hebrews 13:4.

upon duties of husband Gen 2:23-24 one might note that it's the husband who had a first duty. Deut22: 13-21. deut 24:5 the duty of caring. prov5:15-19:14-16, eccl 9:9,Mal. duty of fidelity.1 tim 5:8 Mans duty to provide: mutual duty of husband and wife eph 5:22-33.Col 3:18-19,1Peter 3:7 man commanded to love (in a complete sense as Christ to the church) woman commanded to submit (in a voluntary cooperative sense as christ to the Father). anything short of this is NOT CHRISTLIKE
CHRIST KURIOS
---andy3996 on 7/30/11


1Timothy 2:11

Concerning wives here
Wuest says, "The word "wives" is gune...Here, it should be translated "women"...for the following reasons: the words, "even so," are the translation of hosautos, which is used in introducing a second or third in a series. The series here is of Church officials, second, there is no possessive pronoun in the Greek, which would be needed if they were the wives of the deacons, third, the four qualifications which follow correspond, with appropriate variations, to the first four required of deacons ...and this is a section dealing wholly with Church officials. The reference here is to women who hold the office of deaconess, as Phoebe (Rom. 16:1)."
---willa5568 on 7/29/11


Trav, I disagree with this statement you made: Men need women...women need men.

Men don't need women, they need God, but when Adam had God to fellowship with, he became lonely and God gave him the animals to name, the fish of the sea, etc., and man was still bored.

Women only need a man for one thing, his seed. We have had to defend ourselves against men who we have married (CHRISTIAN MEN) and have beat us up and went out and buy guns and aim it at our face and threaten to kill us - who needs a man like that? Or is that really a man or a little boy in a man's body? Sorry for the rant, but I see more women supporting men then men supporting women.
---anon on 7/29/11


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I SAID we only know Donna's facts, (or maybe you could help us out in providing more info on how you came to that coclussion)
and i said (no offence intended) you see if you look at your question nobody can understand the facts thats what i meant again NO OFFENCE INTENDED
---andy3996 on 7/29/11


For anyone that says women cannot serve as Bishops ....

This is because there are NO scriptures that say this, infact they only say the opposite.
---Leslie on 7/28/11

Leslie where? You have to post the scripture. 2 or more.

Male female order is the order set by GOD. Order is circular. Men need women...women need men..(some argue this).
Christ chose (12) men to plow and sow. But, women seen Christ first when he arose.
First shall be last and last shall be first.
So what is your problem with having men do the job "MEN" are supposed to do? Lack of "Men"?
1 Cor 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ, head of the woman is man, head of Christ is God.
---Trav on 7/29/11


Gordon is right on and so is Cluny.

andy3996, where in the world did you come up with that I am judging her? She calls me to borrow $500 yet she has a church and a husband.

She wanted me to put $1,000 on my Charge Card for her niece, for an airline flight that her niece was believing God for the money. I said, "I can't, your niece is acting presumptously and won't have the money to me in time when the charge comes in. Then she told me she is now a Bishop. I about fell off my chair. Shortly before that, she took a nervous breakdown. Does this sound like a woman who should be ordained a Bishop? I have a problem with CALLING her Bishop, not with her at all, I love her.
---Donna5535 on 7/29/11


Leslie, the qualifications for a person to be a Bishop/Elder are clearly written in 1 Timothy Chapter Three, and Titus Chapter One.
---Rob on 7/29/11


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who made Donna to be a judge of ministers? (no offence intended) if Donna came to this conclusion, is this conclusion formed by her own feelings or, is there a body of elders (presbyteriat) who condemned this woman, on the other hand Donna admits that this woman was ordained. so according ecclesiastic use, the woman might be the real stuff. most pastors are "self-ordained in the eyes of the onlooker". problem is, that the call of the heart is the first appointment into the ministry. bluntly saying this bishop is a selfappointed minister we have no authority here. we only know Donna's facts, (or maybe you could help us out in providing more info on how you came to that coclussion) BLESSING UPON ALL
---andy3996 on 7/29/11


Well, notice the "key statements" in the Blog Question above. "She appointed herself....". "....she got the title Bishop....because she got ordained." She appointed HERSELF (GOD did not appoint her). She allegedly got ordained as Bishop by a group of followers who are made up of "family only". Sounds MORE like a cult. The real question is, Did GOD ordain her? No indication that HE did.
---Gordon on 7/28/11


For anyone that says women cannot serve as Bishops (Pastors) or in leadership in ministry - can you give me any scriptures that state this? I bet you can NOT other than a scripture being TWISTED to say what you want it to say, rather than what it really says. This is because there are NO scriptures that say this, infact they only say the opposite.
---Leslie on 7/28/11


I wouldn't call her Bishop,period. I would call her Sister So-in-so or Pastor. One doesn't need to be called a certain name to obey and serve God. I think it builds a wall between the leaders and the people in a very small church like that and being kinfolks I would probabnly call her the same thing I had all her life.
---Darlene_1 on 7/28/11


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growing up, i was very careful to respect somebody by using their respective title. this year, i started calling people by the informal name that they have chosen. it works out better for both.
---aka on 7/28/11


In 1 Timothy 3, the office of Bishop is clearly only for a man ('a husband of one wife'). But is that an absolute? I generally take it to be absolute, but I won't argue with someone who thinks differently
---Peter on 7/28/11


I have no problem with calling real bishops "Bishop", but women are not among them.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 7/28/11


This is Biblical, because Priscilla, Pheobe, and other women in the N.T. were Bishops (Pastors). The problem is when you appoint yourself or others appoint you as that, but God has NOT appointed you as that. Just as humans cannot say that someone is not that when God says they are, humans also cannot say that someone is something that God has not said they are. If I (as a women) call myself a Pastor, but God says I am not, then I need to step out of that position. If I (as a women) call myself a Pastor, and others say I am not as a woman, but God says I am, then those people are WRONG.
---Leslie on 7/28/11


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ok, let us look once at some other titles going around. reverend, overseer, president, headpastor, sr.pastor, co-pastor, pastor-wife, general overseer, founder, many of these titles flote freely in christianity. most of them are half or not biblical, but then again, isn't it rather the calling then the title that matters? so if indeed she is walking in the office then by all means, if she doesn't act accordingly her functtion, then NO
and now i'm closing with my official title..reverend Andy
---andy3996 on 7/28/11


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