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What Is Imputed Righteousness

The Gospel is about Jesus dying on the cross for our sins. While this is true, the gospel is much deeper than that, and doesn't just stop there.

Why is the vital concept of "imputed righteousness" not preached about often enough, or shared as much during Christian witnessing?

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Char 2: On one occasion Jesus Himself declared "For Judgment came into this world, that they that see not may see, and that they that see may become blind" (John 9:39). Jesus also declared the reason He spoke in parables was that the Truth migh be concealed from those for whom it was not intented.
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess. 5:9).
Now surely it is clear to any impartial mind that this statement is quite pointless if God has not "appointed" any to wrath. To say that God did not appointed us to wrath clearly implies there are some who He has "appointed" to wrath.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/11


Gen 2:7-9...LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground...breathed into his nostrils the breath of life...man became a living soul..and there he put the man whom he had formed..the tree of life ... the tree of knowledge of good and evil.Gen 2:16-17LORD God commanded] the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

If God did not form man with free-will, they would have had no choice but not to eat of it as comamand.
tsavah-to lay charge, appoint, ordain
---char on 8/12/11


1Pet2:7-9 you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling,and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word,being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.But ye are a chosen generation,a royal priesthood,an holy nation, a peculiar people,[that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light,]

They are the Firstfruit-as Witness to those still in slumber-and to those who do not believe.
Repeat:
shew forth praises of Him who hath [Called You Out Of Darkness Into His Marvellous Light,]
Repentance/remission-True love of God
---char on 8/12/11


Char, thank you for your answers. We find that some Scripture passage do teach what I'm telling you. "Jehovah hath made everything for its own end, yea, even the wicked for the day of evil" Prov. 16:4. And Christ is said to be to the wicked, "A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, for they stumble at the word, being disobedient, whereunto also they were appointed" 1 Peter 2:8. And also the names in the book of life were in the book from the foundation of the world. Rev. 13:8. And those not found in the book were destine for Hell. And we may contast these with the disciples whom Jesus told to rejoice because their names were written in heaven ( Luke 10:20).
---Mark_V. on 8/12/11


//Second, He did not create humans for the purpose of hell.Markv//
No.This is not what I stated.
Here is what I stated,
//I do not see God states he created some souls for the sake of perishing them,however satan,hell and whosoever was not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire.Rev20:14-15//

But it gives me your perspective. If this is what your understanding is to the scripture.I do respectable disagree.
The purpose of Hell is for {whosoever was not found written in the book of life]. Rev20:14-15
Without repentance, there is not remission.

But Praise God
Repentance brings remission.
---char on 8/12/11




//All becomes New..." Amen.

"Rom 4:17) "...God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were."
---Chria9396 on 8/12/11//


I second that Amen.


Blessings....
---char on 8/12/11


Char, "Is 46:10
10Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

All becomes New..." Amen.

"Rom 4:17) "...God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were."
---Chria9396 on 8/12/11


Char, I got several answers from everything you said. One, the elect (His children) were foreordained to give Him glory. Second, He did not create humans for the purpose of hell. I agree with the first, and disagree with the second. Many reasons. The redemption of man by Christ was certainly not and afterthought brought upon by man's apostasy. It was a provision, and when man fell he found justice hand in hand with mercy. God was not surprised and thwarted by the man of His hands. After the fall occured, He did not feel that He had made a mistake in creating man. His Perfect. Had He wished He could have prevented Satan's entrance into the garden and could have preserved Adam in a state of holiness as He did the Holy angels. But didn't.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/11


//Again, I must add,
this is the power of the resurrection.
God did not created anyone of His children for timeless life, he created them for His pleasure to enjoy life with and within Him.//

Corection: God did not create anyone of His children for the sole purpose of perishing them, He created them for a timeless exist within him, this brought Him pleasure.

Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

The Elect have a purpose, they were foreordain, others have a choice to make.





---char on 8/12/11


Again, I must add,
this is the power of the resurrection.
God did not created anyone of His children for timeless life, he created them for His pleasure to enjoy life with and within Him.
The Adversary deceive some not all, but for the sake of even just one lost...

There is an order of things
Is 46:10



10Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

All becomes New...
---char on 8/11/11




The past is infront of him the future is behind him. He rebirths through his creation a New Life.
[In-Chrsit] Old things past away All things- literally become New. This parallel existence is His Way of communion one to another As God and Saviour to His creation for repentance unto remission. What does that mean? He foreknew the past infront of him therefore knows who already fell, He reverses things by faith in His creation he knows He Created Had created for Complete wholeness. Process of elimination all that was evil by creating something newTimeless life for His children not just Himself.

Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven...

In my fathers house are many mansions.
---char on 8/11/11


Romans 9:11-13
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,)
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.


The Hebraic is not hated but Love less.
Regardless this is speaking in past tense.
Loved/Loved less

Essau was not created to be loved less.
---char on 8/11/11


What is the witness?
Forgiveness-complete.

The Hebrew word "SR" literally means "turn the head". often translated as "prince" or "ruler", one who turns the head of the people. The dual message of the son forgiven, wife forgiven, sinner forgiven, For restoration:
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The Word came into this world and called those He foreknew for a witness within this world.
Hbr 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
They already knew His Voice.
---char on 8/11/11


Markv,
I miss a day on the blog,sorry.
My statement:
//I do not see God states he created some souls for the sake of perishing them,however satan,hell and whosoever was not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire.Rev20:14-15//

The word "create" is "to make something out of nothing". I do see this, I also see 'bara' to form something out of something.Adm-is created spirit and formed from dust/clay [adamah] Gen1:26-27,Gen2:7. Create/and form speaks different substances.
Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.Col 1:16 Cont'
---char on 8/11/11


Regarding cycles of time within Yhvh timeless existance.(best way I can explain it).
God gives a parellel and dual witness. The visible with the invisible through His Word for tomorrow rxm mahhar [H:4279] from
the root rxa ahhar [H:309] meaning to be behind. The Hebrew
word for yesterday is lwmt temol [H:4136] from the word lwm mul
[H:8543] meaning in front.The past (yesterday) as in the front while the future
(tomorrow) as behind.
Foreknow/foreordain.
IPet1:18-20
God foreknew what already has existed and reverses as only He Can-He is who He is...Old things past away All things-literally become New through complete remission by repentance.Israel restoration and the election is the visible witness of the invisible world.
---char on 8/11/11


Char, good morning to you. I tried to understand what you said but have a lot of trouble understanding most of it. Do you think you can resructure your answer in sentences? I do not want to interpret what you say wrong. I know you have a method of doing what you do, but I cannot understand it completely? I would like to answer you but not sure all that you said. Thanks and peace.
---Mark_V. on 8/10/11


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//Why is the vital concept of "imputed righteousness" not preached about often enough, or shared as much during Christian witnessing?

Because we have chosen to measure our rigtheousness by observance to laws, rules, etc.

Those that have believed that the righteousness of Christ is really would counts for us, have entered into His rest as it is those who need not strive for their justification.

What the Lord wants of us is a relationship, not obedience to laws.
---leej on 8/10/11


//I do not understand how you could say that souls were not meant to perish-Markv//
I do not see God states he [created] some souls for the sake of perishing[them],however[satan]/hell/and whosoever was not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire.Rev20:14-15
1 Cor 15:55
[power of the Resurrection]O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Y'hvah has provide [His Way] for remission for [all souls]Why? Their origin.They [belong to him] the adversary has [deceived some] not all.
Ez 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

[the soul that sinneth, it shall die]
---char on 8/9/11


//Many words have different meaning depending on the context of the message and the time for which they were written and to whom they were said to.-Mark_V.8/9/11//- Agreed. Yet we have Heb13:8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. I do believe [God's Word] remains without change-We seek to find.
Thought:
Over time All language evolve and the meanings change.
Example, goy, orginally meant "nation" became to mean a "gentile"(non-jew). The Hebrew language of Abraham's day is different from Moses's and even still from king David's day.
Changes in vocabulary and grammar exist.
[I]attempt to go back-learn and understand.
It keeps me humble to God first then to those who may inlighten.
---char on 8/9/11


//I do not understand how you could say that souls were not meant to perish.Markv///
Here is what I stated,
//How does this pertain to soul being [created To Perish]?The sacrifice was for the purpose [Not to perish] Repentance unto [remission]//


Is this what your are saying,Some souls were[Created to Perish]?-Key word [Created]
1 Pet 1:20-21
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory, that your faith and hope might be in God.

How does this pertain to Souls being created to perish?

Am I misunderstanding what you are saying?
That is a possibility.
---char on 8/9/11


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//The Word was made flesh" does NOT mean that Jesus is the perfect embodiment of everything in the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/11//
[perfect embodiment of everything in the Bible.]
[in the Bible]
Is This not what your are asking whether I believe?
This is what I believe,
Jn1:1/14
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Matt1:1-23
Emmanuel-God with us
Y'sha-God is Saviour

Perhaps you can elaborate more cluny.
If you desire to teach-praise God I'm willing to listen.
---char on 8/9/11


Char, I do not understand how you could say that souls were not meant to perish. That is why I gave you 1 Peter 1:20. If He was foreordained as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world doesn't that tell you that man was destine to sin? It could not be an afterthought of God. As if He did not see the fall of man coming. For He is Omniscient and knows all things. Your interpretation of words are correct but what those words mean depends on the context for which they are use. It is not the same. Many words have different meaning depending on the context of the message and the time for which they were written and to whom they were said to.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/11


**Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/11///

[In the Bible]
No Cluny. The bible did not become flesh.**

I'm not the one saying it did, char!

PLEASE go back and reread what I actually said.

Slava Iisusu Khristu!
---Cluny on 8/8/11


The reason that imputed righteousness is not shared is because MOST churches do NOT preach/teach the Bible, but rather have worldly social times and crazyness/false doctrine preached/taught. Few and far between acually use the Bible, and thus the stats show by MOST "Christians" do NOT know anything about the Bible, or have TWISTED theology (ie: there are other ways to Heaven besides Jesus, and Hell does not exist). MOST Pastors and "Christians" think the Bible is outdated and not relevant to today, thus they think their teachings are more relevant and don't need the Bible. It is time to get back to preaching/teaching the Bible ONLY.
---Leslie on 8/8/11


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Aleph to Tav
Jer36:2
Write the word I have spoken
Ex17:14,Deut 27:3-8,Deut31:19,Neh9:38,Ez24:2,
Luke 4(All)
17-19[And He found the place where it was written,]
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor, he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord....
vs20
And he rolled up the scroll, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
The rest continues...
Is 61[restoration of Israel]
To appoint unto them that mourn in zion...
---char on 8/8/11


///"The Word was made flesh" does NOT mean that Jesus is the perfect embodiment of everything in the Bible.
\\The Word became flesh-dwelt amoung us.
You don't think "word" means the same thing in both these verses, do you?


Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/11///

[In the Bible]
No Cluny. The bible did not become flesh.

As stated:

The Word of God that proceed out of the His Mouth...
Inbeginning was [The Word]...
Is 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
The Word became Flesh?Yes. This I believe.
Aleph to Tav
---char on 8/8/11


\\The Word became flesh-dwelt amoung us.
Is55:11 shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:\\

You don't think "word" means the same thing in both these verses, do you?

\\Jesus Christ is the Living Word that was spoken and written--\\

Wrong.

"The Word was made flesh" does NOT mean that Jesus is the perfect embodiment of everything in the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/11


The Word became flesh-dwelt amoung us.
Is55:11 shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which [I please], and it shall prosper [in the thing whereto I sent it].
Mat26:39[not as I will, but as Thou wilt]vs 56"But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled."
Jesus Christ is the Living Word that was spoken and written--
vs18[Reconciled us to Himself-Housed]Mat9:17
His action:Bear witness to what was spoken and written fulfilling the scriptures.
2Cor 5(all)
vs 1[eternal-aiontos]
without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
without beginning
without end, never to cease, everlasting
---char on 8/8/11


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//John 8:36 Mark_V. on 8/8/11//
perhaps you can clarify what [you] mean by Slaves.

Set free means set free-No longer blind to truth.Repentance unto [remission].
Remisson-remitted
release from bondage or imprisonment
forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

This is not slavery as the western mind sees it.

The Word is spoken and written-but it is God who teaches and confirms it's truth.
If one is taught of God - not man - they understand The Father witnesses of His[ Word] Son. Jn6:44-46 Jn 7(all):16-17
Ye judge after the flesh,
I judge no man..
Jn8(all)
I am the light of the World...
vs23-24 [If] ye believe not...
---char on 8/8/11


We rest in His presence,Christ is Our rest in repentance why? we have remission.
This is not a bondage or slavery[western thinking]-It is completeness.
Lk 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among [all nations, beginning at Jerusalem].
"yeru" meaning "flow". Shalam meaning complete and whole. These two words put together

"pointing the way to completeness".

Set free from the bondage the enemy falsely accuses of.
A constant reminder of our sins committed telling God's creation "they are not good enough for forgiven"

God knows the weakness of flesh which is why [he provided] the Perfect Plan of Salvation from it.

Himself
---char on 8/8/11


No righteousness is "imputed" or "in putted" to a person until a person fulfills the obligatory requirement from God. So what is that one thing that God requires that we must do or obey in order for him to impute his righteousness to us? The answer is found in both Testaments, it is, "Repent". So what does repent mean? Answer, Return, righten, get right with God. It consists of humbling ones self in prayer and fessing up to him, that is sincerely admitting your separation from God and asking Jesus to forgive you and to make you right. When a person refuses to repent, then God does not impute his righteousness to them, b ut instead they remain separated and without his righteousness.
---Eloy on 8/8/11


Gal5:1Stand fast therefore in the [liberty] wherewith Christ hath made us [free], and be not entangled again with the [yoke of bondage]
Rom8(all)
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me [free from the law of sin and death].
10[And if Christ [be] in you], [the body [is] dead because of sin, but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness].(That righteousness is Christ)

God is love-character [discipline and forgiveness] Repentance unto remission. They were not Created (something out of nothing) for the purpose of destruction. All were created for God's pleasure
job38:7,
Gen 6:6 it repented the LORD that he had made [man on the earth], and it grieved him at his heart.
[dysfunctions of adamah]
---char on 8/8/11


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//Matt. 26:41. Here Jesus comments was referring to His own human feelings and behavior, shown in (V.39). ---Mark_V. on 8/8/11// Respectably disagree.

And He went a little fartherm and fell on His face, and prayed saying, "O My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me,nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt"

[let this cup pass from Me],
This is pertaining to [the cup of wrath to mankind] that do not repent. What is their outcome?-death.

[He is] the sacrifice for [our flesh weaknesses-adamah]-[not His own].
He experiences [the cup of wrath for mankind]

[not as I will, but as Thou wilt]
vs 56
"But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled."
---char on 8/8/11


"Without the "dust", the "soul" ceases to exist."
jerry6593 on 8/8/11

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Accordingly, it is a false proposition that "Without the "dust", the "soul" ceases to exist.", since only God can kill a soul per the stated verse.
---Nana on 8/8/11


[Man] became a living [soul]
ps146:4
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to His earth, in that very day [His thoughts] perish.

Thoughts-[eshtonah-Plans/counsel this is the man made ideas and thoughts perish- not[spirit] perished
Ecc12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the [spirit shall return unto God who gave it].

Who Gave it?
When in the presence of God Mans [adamah] Thoughts, will perish.
Lk16 beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot, neither can they pass to us...

Gods Thoughts vs. mans thoughts
Mans thoughts perish[In the presence] of God.
His [perfect] plan of salvation?
Repentance/remission
---char on 8/8/11


//your interpretation of words are correct but not what you said, ---Mark_V. on 8/8/11//
Not [my interpretation-but hebraic perspective].
//interpretation correct but What you say is not.//
I am confused are they not the same thing?

What you have stated pertains to Christ.
//foreknown indeed as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world" 1 Peter 1:20. Paul speaks of the "eternal purpose" which was purpose in Jesus Christ our Lord, Eph. 3:11//
Sacifice for [Sin]
How does this pertain to soul being [created To Perish]?The sacrifice was for the purpose [Not to perish] Repentance unto [remission]
Do away with [sin]=Timeless existance [In Christ]
Phl 2:10-11
Is14:23,Rom14:11,Phil 2:10
---char on 8/8/11


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//The "soul" is the combination of the clay (dust) and the life-giving "breath" of God. Without the "dust", the "soul" ceases to exist.Gen 2:7 ... MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL.---jerry6593 on 8/8/11//

[Man] became a living [soul]
[soul]became a living [soul]
Adm became of living adm
I state this side by side merely for the visual-this is not what is stated nor written.

[eshtonah-Plans/counsel this is the mans made plans and thought perish not[soul]perished or [spirit] perished
Ecc12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the [spirit shall return unto God who gave it].[spirit shall return unto God who gave it].Lk16 (all)
---char on 8/8/11


char: "God never [created souls] to perish, but he did form clay for the souls to be placed in"

That's NOT what my Bible says! The "soul" is the combination of the clay (dust) and the life-giving "breath" of God. Without the "dust", the "soul" ceases to exist.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL.

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day HIS THOUGHTS PERISH.
---jerry6593 on 8/8/11


Char, your interpretation of words are correct but not what you said,
1. God never created souls to parish.
Then why are we told that Christ was "foreknown indeed as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world" 1 Peter 1:20. Paul speaks of the "eternal purpose" which was purpose in Jesus Christ our Lord, Eph. 3:11.
2. John 8:36 Here the notion of slavery in (v.34) moves to the status of slaves. While the Jews thought of themselves only as free sons of Abraham, in reality they were slaves of sin. Those who Jesus Christ literates are liberated from slavery and tyranny of sin and bondage of legalism. (Rom. 8:2, Gal. 5:1). It does not mean they have free will. Because they are slaves to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/11


Char 2: We know by the verses man is bondage to sin, which tells us his will is not free? It is inslaved to sin so they need Christ to set them free.
You are correct God is outside of time. We know everything is before God from start to finish as prsent in His sight.
3. You also gave Matt. 26:41. Here Jesus comments was referring to His own human feelings and behavior, shown in (V.39). Christ Himself was well acquainted with the feeling of human behavior, yet without sin. At the very moment He was locked in a struggle against human passions which while not sinful in themselves, were subjugated to the Divine will, if sin was to be avoided.
It also speaks of the will of man not been free since the will is not willing. His will was.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/11


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God never [created souls] to perish, but he did form clay for the souls to be placed in [Bet].
Adam-clay/dust Was pure before [the knowledge of good and evil]His soul came from God-who is life-In Him-only Life exist.[Above-Jn3,Rom 8 All]
God breathed[Life-ruah]flesh inhaled-adam became a [Living being-Bereshiyt gen2:7]
God experiences [all time] without being [subject to it]
1Col3:12
Put on therefore, [As The elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering,Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any,even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Jn8 [all]
36 [If] the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
---char on 8/7/11


//Both have a desire, one for evil, the other for Christ---Mark_V. on 8/7/11//

The spirit is willing-but the [flesh is weak]
Matt 26:41
and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

It is the flesh[formed] that is weak. The spirit[God created is willing] A Choice still remains.[And pray...ye enter not...]

To the elect for a purpose.
All souls our His but [the elect are chosen for the purpose of witness].For those who are [not chosen] freewill is absolutely inplace to choose to give up that freewill for [His Will].
But For the elect they have already but justified [before the foundation of the world]
Col1:16,Heb11(all)
Is29:18
and [in that day]
Cont'
---char on 8/7/11


Time is not linear-but-circular.Does not begin or stop but continues. God used time [created] to [form/bara]all things physical.
Without understanding God is Timeless and everthing created and form are subject [within it], man places everything into one time-frame. God created structure and perpective [Expresses Himself] to All Souls. [defined as His children-He created and formed]. What Day He is speaking of and to [elect for the sake of those not chosen for a purpose]is not understood.
Ez18:4
[All Souls Are Mine], as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine...

God is Love-did not create [something out of nothing]for the destruction of it. That is contrary to His Very Word that defines Him [Life Within]
---char on 8/7/11


Markv,
I encourage you and everyone else not to believe me- Believe God.[that is a choice]
I also [strongly] encourage realizing the difference between eastern thinking and western thinking,Idoms, chiastic structure,gematria, etc...
Gods Word defined Him down to each letter and without the discernment of this fact man attempts to uses his own intelligence to explain...God.
Bereshiyt (Gen)1:1 In beginning Eloyhim form [bara) et...
e t defined is Aleph Tav.
[Do not take [my] word on this]

Next: God is timeless.
Translater use the word [eternal] the hebraic perpective is
[He is -- He exist] there is no reference to a time-frame He created time, is not subject to it and exist [outside of it.
Cont'
---char on 8/7/11


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Mike G, I don't believe many understand imputed Righteousness. Imputed Righteousness for one thing is not imputed to a church, group or country, but to INDIVIDUALS only. Many here online scoff at the idea of having a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ. They believe this is NEW modern idea.

This in fact WAS a major issue with Luther, and wrote the great works of Justification by faith,INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL FAITH.

Our Justification is Imputed Righteousness, an individual's Legal standing before God, leading to our Sanctification, an individual's Growth before God via a PERSONAL Galatians 2:20-21. Churches, countried, groups are not Crucified with Christ...Paul said I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST
---kathr4453 on 8/7/11


Char, I believe you have great knowledge of the Word, but disagree with you here.
First you say we have free will, which is not Scriptural concerning salvation. We have a choice to choose but what our will chooses is guide by a desire or motive it is never free. The lost are in bondage to sin, and children of wrath with no desire for Christ, the believers are in bondage to Christ, and are children of God with a desire for Christ. Both have a desire, one for evil, the other for Christ.

Second, the passage you gave in 2 Peter 3:9 is not saying that He is not willing that any should parish, every individual, but that none of the "us" believers, the elect, for he is talking to the beloved. Not every single individual.
---Mark_V. on 8/7/11


Yhwh Plan of Salvation could never be realized unless the freewill to experience-Love through discipline.

Deu_30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Yhwh is timeless - the freewill to chose to be only [within His Will] is offered
Eze 37:12-14 ,Heb 6:4-5
First to Israelites-extended to [All mankind]Jew/Gentile 2Pe:3:9 YHWH is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
A Knowing choice is a must-the complete function of a true just and fair God
---char on 8/6/11


The future promise by grace was to include Gentiles. Gal. 3:8 says
"And the Scripture foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, In you all the nations shall be blessed so then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham"
---Mark_V. on 8/5/11


Yes, this is correct. This was told to ABRAHAM. So we know by this, Jocob I oved Esau I hated has nothing to do with the Abrahaic Covenant.
---kathr4453 on 8/6/11


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Righteousness-God is Love.He is a true [just] and fair God.
For this reason we are formed in clay-liable to be molded.We allow false witness and judge in return.
God provided a perfect Plan of Salvation for [ALL His children] to be save from deception.
Ez 18:4
[All Souls are Mine], as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die

He does not ask us to do anything that His can not do through us and Has done [Himself]--- Forgive.This is the Power of the Resurrection
1 Cor 15:55
death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory

[Righteousness is God - He alone knows and will judge. The positon the enemy wants and continues to exercise throuth mankind.Matt7:1
---char on 8/5/11


Hebrews 5:6-
As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Melchizedek = "king of righteousness"

Ps110:4
LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek

Only God's Word instructs for repentance unto remission
Only God is righteous to judge.
True Love is forgiveness

The vast majority of mankind, even those who were not called, will have that same face to face experience with the Word of YHWH, YHshua

When that time comes man-made ideas will fall by the wayside and will never again be a mark of deception taking anyone away from the Torah-the teachings and instructions of God the Creator of All things.
---char on 8/5/11


Christ-Rock

Is 32 {All}
Is 32
Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment. And a man shall be as an hiding place from the wind, and a covert from the tempest, as rivers of water in a dry place, as the shadow of a great rock in a weary land. And the eyes of them that see shall not be dim, and the ears of them that hear shall hearken. The heart also of the rash shall understand knowledge, and the tongue of the stammerers shall be ready to speak plainly...
---char on 8/5/11


Anytime Kathr and Trav witness anything, the Spirit immediately tells me I must have forgotten to clear something I said, and after going to my post to Nana on 8/2/11, I will now clear up my answer,
"The oath He swore to our father Abraham (v.73) is the Abrahamic Covenant with it promise of salvation by grace (Gen. 12:1-3) it was a future expectation."
The future promise by grace was to include Gentiles. Gal. 3:8 says
"And the Scripture foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, In you all the nations shall be blessed so then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham"
---Mark_V. on 8/5/11


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Why is the vital concept of "imputed righteousness" not preached about often enough, or shared as much during Christian witnessing

There are so many things in the bible that needs to be preached. Imputed righteousness and imparted righteousness are only two of them. Given time they will come around in a church surmon. But how much of the yearly calenda should be given to this topis? I am sure that at one poiint in time or the other they have been preacahed. But christians need to learn to study for themselves. You cannot rely on the preacher or church to teach you everything.
---francis on 8/5/11


Praise God, is MarkV FINALLY getting it...
---kathr4453 on 8/4/11

He is finding the witnesses, to his honor an benefit. Your turn.

1 Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Titus 2:4
That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
---Trav on 8/5/11


Donna66, very good points you gave. The sheep in Matthew 25:31-40 are the righteous. They received that righteousness from Christ. It was imputed to them not because of any good deeds of their own, for they were" saved by Grace through faith and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." ( Eph. 2:8-10 ). God prepared us for good works. "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, "which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them"
"He abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two thus making peace" Eph. 2:15.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/11


nana-- I never disagreed with you about the day of reckoning described by the Lord along with the parable of the talents. Completely believe Matthew 25:46 "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but
the righteous into life eternal."
Our differences are over how one becomes righteous.
---Donna66 on 8/4/11


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Donna66,
Fine observation of the parable of the talents as to what wages man receives in THIS life.
Matthew 7:12 "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.", also Luke 6:38.

However, there are Eternal consequences to man's actions:
Galatatians 6:7 "Be not deceived, God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

Once again, Matthew 25:31_46 is not a parable but rather a clear prophesy of the day of reckoning unto life eternal for all men:
Matthew 25:46 "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but
the righteous into life eternal."
---Nana on 8/4/11


The oath He swore to our father Abraham (v.73) is the Abrahamic Covenant with it promise of salvation by grace (Gen. 12:1-3) it was a future expectation.
---Mark_V. on 8/2/11


Praise God, is MarkV FINALLY getting it...
---kathr4453 on 8/4/11


Nana--
The parable of the talents is a parable, but what Jesus taught from it is truth... true in life, true in death. The righteous and diligent man is usually rewarded in life. Not so, the irresponsible.
The wages of unrightousness is death..."outer darkness" with "wailing and gnashing of teeth".

In our humanity, we cannot judge what perfect righteousness is, not only in deed but in motive as well. Even the best and most devout are not perfectly righteous. God, in His justice and holiness, demands complete righteousness.
Jesus came to make us totally righteous in the sight of the Father... to make perfect what we could not. It is only through our faith in Jesus Christ that this is possible.
---Donna66 on 8/3/11


Donna66,
Paul had to contend daily with opposition from them of the 'circumcision' as in Acts 15.
His opponents contended salvation required circumcision and the keeping of the law of Moses.
Paul contends that faith is and has always being the underlaying basis of God finding a man justified to draw near him, ie, true righteousness.
Not only we DID have to be taught but need to keep checks on each other daily, our part, Hebrews 3:13 "But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin."
Matthew 25:31_46 IS NOT A PARABLE.... "... but the righteous into life eternal."
Ezekiel 3.
---nana on 8/3/11


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Nana---the "fruit" results from the righteousness He has imputed (credited) to us. Yes, we DID have to be taught the difference between righteousness and unrighteousness because we had no righteousness of our own.
//no such thing as imputation//? Look at Abraham.

Rom 4:21-24 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him, But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,

---Donna66 on 8/2/11


Mima, there is no question. If its imputed, you never had it. It means it was given to you. By Who? God. For all things good come from above. Jesus Christ was sent by the Father from heaven. And His righteousness is imputed to all who believe by faith in Him and His works.
---Mark_V. on 8/2/11


Upon believing in the Lord Jesus Christ the righteousness of Jesus Christ is imputed to us. This righteousness, which is perfect before the father, is credited to your account. In fact now becomes your account. Interestingly if one can fall from grace this imputed righteousness would necessarily have to be snatched back from the recipient. This never takes place of course. Romans 11:29 says,"For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." Question is imputed righteousness a gift from God??
---mima on 8/2/11


Nana, a genuine believer who has been imputed the righteousness of Christ, does serve in holiness and righteousness because that righteousness is of Christ. If we were not save, we could do neither one, by holiness or by the righteousness of Christ but our own righteousness which is really sin without faith in Christ. For anything without faith is sin.
The oath He swore to our father Abraham (v.73) is the Abrahamic Covenant with it promise of salvation by grace (Gen. 12:1-3) it was a future expectation.
---Mark_V. on 8/2/11


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John walked in righteousness, there is no such thing as imputation.
The walk, the fruit, determine and define the righteousness:
1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous."

2 Tim 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God ..., for instruction in righteousness:"
Matthew 7:24: "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:"

Ok Donna66, "the MANNER in which WE serve HIM"
and the fruit it produces is not imputed. It is
taught to us, Mat. 7:24, not imputed.
---Nana on 8/2/11


I think it is used a lot. Christians just change the words. When was the last time except when reading KJV of the Bible do you use the word imputed. Imputed means to take something that belongs to someone and credit to another's account during a one sided transaction. aka modern language a gift. That is all imputed means. So God imputed rightousness to you through the death of Jesus Christ. During witnessing it is best to describe what you are talking about in simple language. 1 corinthians ch 2.
---Scott1 on 8/2/11


Nana-- To whom was Jesus speaking in Matt 21:32? According to scriptures He said this to the chief priests and the elders who never even recognized Him Messiah!

That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.


//How could it be imputed when it requires that it be served?//

The way I read this is that
WE (not righteousness) SERVE HIM without fear. (righteousness isn't like something "served", as in a serving dish to someone.) In holiness and righteousness describes the MANNER in which WE serve HIM.
---Donna66 on 8/2/11


Matthew 21:32: "For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him."

Luke 1:72_75 "To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant,
The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.


How could it be imputed when it requires that it be served?
---Nana on 8/1/11


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"And if by grace then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is not grace" ( Rom. 11:8 )." Says it all Mark:o)
"If anyone here has studied Greek (I haven't myself), maybe he or she could shed some light on this question. :-)
---John.usa on 7/30/11"

Char, I for one, await your response. I know of a certainty based one your post, which I enjoy as a student, that if you are not a scholar, you are well versed in biblical languages. Help the brother out. Thanks Alan of UK for posting the Bold and Italics instructions. Perhap I will use those instead of the 'marks' or the (...):o)
---Josef on 7/31/11


Christan, Donna66, Josef, you guys gave three excellent answers. We know that Christianity is the only one religion which should be different then all others. All other religions have works, good self righteous deeds (free will) for Salvation.
But now for many years Christianity is becoming more and more like the others. And now many Christian churches are introducing man's abilities (works) together with God's Grace which is not biblical "And if by grace then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is not grace" ( Rom. 11:8 ). They make the death of Christ insufficient. It needs man's righteous deeds to be sufficient. Going back to the law of works. Which has it's roots from the RCC.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/11


Donna

Excellent post.

Paul
---paul on 7/30/11


Mike G and Reba-- Thanks for pointing out this IMPORTANT aspect of the Gospel!

Many here and elsewhere, apparently have never realized (or been taught)that not only are their sins "forgiven", but their "righteousness" is no longer theirs, once they have been redeemed by faith in Christ.

No endless cycles of repentance and forgiveness in our Christian life, makes us ultimately acceptable to God. There is only one standard of righteousness that God accepts. That is the righteousness of His Son.
And He GRACIOUSLY credits us with (imputes to us) the righteousness of Christ when we trust Him for Salvation.

We are undeserving, and we can not, never could, duplicate such righteousness on our own.
---Donna66 on 7/30/11


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"Why is the vital concept of "imputed righteousness" not preached about often enough, or shared as much during Christian witnessing?"
Mike_G perhaps it is a lack of understanding. Perhaps man, generally speaking, simply likes the concept of "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling," or the self righteousness and pride of a self effort approach of "I do this, I don't do that". The truth is we have absolutely no righteousness apart from "Christ in [us our only] hope of glory." Personally I appreciate that, and I am oh so grateful that Father choose to make "Him who knew no sin [to be] sin 'for us', that we might 'be made' the righteousness of God 'in Him'." 2Cr 5:21
---Josef on 7/30/11


Scott,

1. ''Jehovah's using only one organisation today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we MUST identify that organisation and serve God as part of it.'' (The Watchtower, 2/15/83, p. 12)
2. ''Those who are convinced The Watchtower's publishing the opinion or expression of a man should not waste time in looking at it at all. Those who believe God uses The Watchtower as a means of communicating to his people, or of calling to his prophecies, should study the Watchtower.'' (The Watchtower, 1/1/ 42, p. 5)

JWs must believe salvation comes only through the WT and that God only speaks through that organisation. Rather than ALL wanting to be saved, God only saves JWs.
---Marc on 7/30/11


Mike, to answer your question that this imputation of righteousness must first come with the understanding and knowledge of justification by faith. If not properly taught as written by Paul in Romans & Galatians 3 & 4, one will be in total darkness of how God saves the sinner.

And of course, if one is a "freewiller", the justification by faith and the imputation of righteousness would not make any sense whatsoever as been demonstrated countless of times in this blog.

The one big question you can ask is, did God justify you while you were godly or ungodly? And the answer can be found in Romans 4, regardless of what many may say or proclaim.
---christan on 7/30/11


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