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Adam's Day Of Worship

Did Adam and Eve worship on the Sabbath (Saturday) the 7th day of the week found in the Ten Commandments?

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---CraigA on 8/4/11
Jesus said: Matthew 12:12 Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. That is why SDA hospitals are not closed on the sabbath dzys.

---Eloy on 8/4/11
ARE YE KIDDING?
Exodus 20: 1-17,JAMES 2:9-11
Romans 7:7, Hebrews 6:6
Men who prefer men also say that this is not a sin. You cannot defend sin, you can only repent from it, or die in it.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one(IDOLATRY OR NOT KEEPING THE SABBATH) of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---francis on 8/5/11


Craig, all over the world SDA ministers work on the Sabbath and no one condemns them. They are doing the works of God.

Jesus did the works of God on the Sabbath and legalists who had made the Sabbath a weight upon the shoulders of men complained.

I see nothing in what Francis has written to justify you saying he is lost. Think again, and stop condemning.
---Warwick on 8/5/11


Cluny: Maybe we should leave off the "C". You can't be perceived as knowledgeable by contradicting yourself! Here are YOUR two contradictory statements. Which one do you defend? You can't have it both ways.

"Wrong again. The manna began descending AFTER the Decalogue had been delivered."

You're saying EXACTLY what I said, jerry: The Sabbath Commandment of the Decalogue was not given until AFTER the manna began falling.
---jerry6593 on 8/5/11


francis, it appears to me that those promoting sabbath as a MUST, fail to see the whole picture.the exclusive body of the saved (only those worship on sabbath)is as much error as any other.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH, and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFTofGOD: Not of works, lest any man should boast. 1 John 3:23 And this is HIS COMMANDEMENT, That we should BELIEVE on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and LOVE one another, as he gave us commandment.
Acts 10:42 And HE COMMANDED us TO PREACH unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
---andy3996 on 8/5/11


And if Jesus did not fulfill ALL the Law, then we are still in our sins and He is not Savior.
---Cluny on 8/4/11
Teaching that to fulfil means to do away with is a bad teaching. Lets say for arguement sake, that Jesus fulfilled the ten commandments laws. Then the commandment which said " thou shal not kil" is now done away with by your definition of fulfil.

By your definiation of fulfilled, when John baptized Jesus all righteousness was done away with

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Bible useage of FULFILLED means to carry out fully,to meet the requirements of, it does'nt mean do away with
---francis on 8/5/11




therefore he who keeps one part of the law should keep all .
who of the seventh day adventists circumsizes,and why yes or why no? answer that, and youll know if the seventh day is sincere. -andy3996
Your post is self condeming. You keep these commandments:1.Do not worship other gods.2. Do not worship idols. 3. Do not misuse God's name.4
5. Honor your father & mother. 6. Do not murder.7. Do not commit adultery. 8. Do not steal. 9. Do not lie. 10. Do not covet.
why do you not also circumcise?
Why do you only keep 9/10?
THE ANSWER IS: In the CONTEXT of which James is speaking " WHOLE LAW" means ten commandments. James is not saying that if you do not commit adultery, that you must also sacrifice.
---francis on 8/5/11


\\He didn't. He only fulfilled the portion that dealt with his three hundred or so prophesies. \\

Prophecies are NOT the Law.

And if Jesus did not fulfill ALL the Law, then we are still in our sins and He is not Savior.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/11


Steveng, Jesus said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

To me this does not mean that any of the 10 Commndments have been done away with. It means they no longer stand in judgement over Christians.

However I am sure we cannot have a lifestyle which disobeys any one of them.
---Warwick on 8/4/11


Francis, thank you for making your position clear.

There are some here who write about you as though you consider obedience to the 10 Commandments as being a prerequisite for salvation. I trust these people will read your statement that "We are saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH" and stop inferring otherewise about you.

We know Jesus fulfilled the Law but this does not mean we can live as Christians while breaking the 10 Commandments.

I believe some people have to do a complete rethink.
---Warwick on 8/4/11

thank you
---francis on 8/4/11


---Pay attention to your question: Would I rather be working, that resting? Only Satan would cause you to WORK when God commands REST
---francis on 8/4/11

Gee thats funny Jesus "worked" on the Sabbath by healing people and was accused of working by the devil too.

You should really think about what you say before you make such ludicris statements. You sound exactly like a pharisee now. Using the law to judge people instead of the LOVE of the Spirit to heal them.
Im sorry ma'am, but you are lost.
---CraigA on 8/4/11




francis, Idolatry is always and at all times sin, but the same thing cannot be said of sabbath-keeping, therefore there is no connection between the two. As far as the Law, I already detailed the Law: Love Jesus first and completely, this is the first and greatest commandment, and the second is like it, You will Love your neighbor as yourself, this is the entire Law in a nut shell. All else, idolatry, sabbath-keeping, kosher eating, et cetera goes without saying: for if you love God then you will be doing all those things to please God and not be concerned about any unending rules and regulations.
---Eloy on 8/4/11


Warwick: "We know Jesus fulfilled the Law..."

Most christians believe that Jesus fulfilled the whole law. He didn't. He only fulfilled the portion that dealt with his three hundred or so prophesies. Reread all the NT verses containing the words fulfilled and you'll find that they talk about fulfilling his prophesies only. God's law was, is, and forever - including in the new world to come.
---Steveng on 8/4/11


\\Exo 16 records the first instance of the falling manna, and Exo 16:1 documents that it occurred on the 15th day of the 2nd month after departing Egypt.

Exo 16:3 confirms that the Sabbath was already in effect.

The Hebrews did not reach the Sinai area until the 3rd month after leaving Egypt (Exo 19:1).\\

You're saying EXACTLY what I said, jerry: The Sabbath Commandment of the Decalogue was not given until AFTER the manna began falling.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/11


Francis, thank you for making your position clear.

There are some here who write about you as though you consider obedience to the 10 Commandments as being a prerequisite for salvation. I trust these people will read your statement that "We are saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH" and stop inferring otherewise about you.

We know Jesus fulfilled the Law but this does not mean we can live as Christians while breaking the 10 Commandments.

I believe some people have to do a complete rethink.
---Warwick on 8/4/11


---Eloy on 8/3/11
Let me show you the connectionS:
1: James 2:10 James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. THE WHOLE LAW INCLUDES ADULTERY, IDOLARTY AND SABBATH KEEPING DOES IT NOT?

2: Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. THE SABBATH IS THE PRIMARY MEANS OF WORSHIPING GOD AS CREATOR. Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Revelation 14:7 worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
---francis on 8/4/11


therefore he who keeps one part of the law should keep all of it.
who of the seventh day adventists sircumsizes,and why yes or why no? answer that, and youll know if the seventh day is sincere. r
---andy3996 on 8/4/11


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I have not been able to work for about 6 years and there are times I have too look at a clander to know what day of the week it is. In the 6000 years of Biblica history it is only reasonable to think that at some point, maybe on the ark, mankind has lost track and we are not sure what day the Sabbath was. The point is to keep 1 day out of seven to gives thanks and worship. Stop arguing about which day, but serve God on all days.
---Harold on 8/4/11


---CraigA has a wonderful logical statement in his answer to this blog.
---mima on 8/4/11


James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery , said also:
1. Do not worship other gods.2. Do not worship idols.3. Do not misuse God's name.4. Keep the Sabbath holy.5. Honor your father & mother.6. Do not murder.7. 8. Do not steal.9. Do not lie.10. Do not covet. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James could have added ANY of the ten commandments in place of DO NOT KILL and he would have still been correct.

Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou do not keep the sabbath, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
---francis on 8/4/11


I think it is unfortunate that people make merchandise of the contents in the Bible: they sinuously compare idolatry which is expressly condemned in both of the testaments always and at all times, with sabbath-keeping which is condemned in the New Testament. For there is no comparison nor coorelation between "sabbath-keeping", better known as "Rest-keeping", and idolatry which is carnal sin of substituting the worship of God with the worship of NonGod. The Bible is clear, Love the Lord God Jesus completely, and also love your neighbor as you love yourself: on these two commandments hang ALL The entire Law And ALL The Prophets: this do and you will live.
---Eloy on 8/3/11


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//3. Paul, taking Jesus' example, also preached on the Sabbath to the Jews and Gentiles.//Steveng

Even though I am not debating the overall point, i do wonder about this bullet point. It would be hard to preach to the Jews as a group on the other six days. so, whether he was doing it to follow Jesus' example is a bit superfluous and maybe conjecture. 2 is questionable too. Jesus came to fulfill all the Law. but, he defended his disciples when they picked grain on Sabbath. so, obviously, if about the Lord's business, sabbath is open to work. 1 and 4 are good points.

francis, i will give you a lifetime to present a group of "christians" (jesus or michael) that observe Sabbath from Friday sundown to Satuday sundown.
---aka on 8/4/11


---christan on 8/3/11 It is not the PURPOSE of the book of Genesis to give a list of the laws of God, yet ALL the ten commandments of God are in Genesis. ALL in Genesis who were faithfull to God obeyed his laws. That includes Adam.

---Warwick on 8/3/11: We are saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH. And there are some who will have NEVER heard of the law of God who will be saved.
But those who have heard the laws of God including the sabbath, and reject them have choosen to live in sin, and not accept the salvation of God. see Isaiah 4:1 Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? see Isaiah 4:1
---Francis on 8/4/11


---James_L on 8/3/11

No. The bible says:John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
We keep the whole law because WE LOVE HIM.

Let me make this 100% clear: The only reason people SIN by not keeping the sabbath or commiting adultery (1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.)
is that Satan commands them to. Be it murder, false witnessing, coveting or not keeping the sabbath, it is by command of satan, and not by God that we sin and remain in unrepentant sin, denying that what we do is sin.

Pay attention to your question: Would I rather be working, that resting? Only Satan would cause you to WORK when God commands REST
---francis on 8/4/11


Cluny: "Wrong again. The manna began descending AFTER the Decalogue had been delivered."

You must have a very strange Bible!

Exo 16 records the first instance of the falling manna, and Exo 16:1 documents that it occurred on the 15th day of the 2nd month after departing Egypt.

Exo 16:3 confirms that the Sabbath was already in effect.

The Hebrews did not reach the Sinai area until the 3rd month after leaving Egypt (Exo 19:1).

You do understand that the 3rd month occurs AFTER the 2nd month, don't you. I look forward to your retraction of your error.
---jerry6593 on 8/4/11


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Since you're playing cute, francis, let me rephrase my question.

On which days does the God of the Bible forbid us to worship Him?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/11


...CraigA
1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ,..
Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found transgressors of the law, is therefore Christ the minister of the transgression of the law? God forbid

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in the transgression of the law, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we transgress the law, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Having Faith and Grace, is no reason to sin (trangress the law)GOD FORBID!
---francis on 8/4/11


Leej, Read the Book of ACTS. It tells of 8 or 9 times. or whatever, of when the early Church gathered during the (7th Day) Sabbath and only ONE TIME was mentioned when they gathered on the 1st day of the week (Sunday). And, this early Church was comprised of BOTH kinds of people of BOTH Jewish Blood and of Gentile. (For in the Messiah, there is "neither Jew nor Gentile).
---Gordon on 8/4/11


When protestants speak about the RCC, they often point out the sin of the RCC in making graven images to worship, a violation of the second commandment. ( of course as expected the RCC has a defense for that)
But what protestants fail to realize is that they themselves are in violation of the very same commandments by not keeping the sabbath which is the fourth commandment. ( of course protestants have their defence for that too)

Truth is: there is no defence that one can have against not keeping the whole law of God ( james 2:10)

The only course of action is repentance from sin,

Now to answert the blog: Adam was alive and knew that God had blessed the seventh day, and santified it for rest
---francis on 8/3/11


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When protestants speak about the RCC, they often point out the sin of the RCC in making graven images to worship, a violation of the second commandment. ( of course as expected the RCC has a defense for that)
But what protestants fail to realize is that they themselves are in violation of the very same commandments by not keeping the sabbath which is the fourth commandment. ( of course protestants have their defence for that too)

Truth is: there is no defence that one can have against not keeping the whole law of God ( james 2:10)

The only course of action is repentance from sin,

Now to answert the blog: Adam was alive and knew that God had blessed the seventh day, and santified it for rest
---francis on 8/3/11


Christian, if those to whom God gave the 10 Commandments did not know of, and observe the Sabbath, before these Commandments were given, were they also unaware they were not to murder, or commit adultery?
---Warwick on 8/3/11


Francis,
I asked the question for a better understanding of WHY you observe the Sabbath. You agreed that the only reason you do it is that it is one of the Ten Commandments

Can we assume that you don't really want to observe it? I mean after all, the only reason you're observing it is because you have to.

Then could we transpose that onto all the other commandments?

You would love to be a murderer, but God won't let you?

You would love to be a thief, but God won't let you?

I think there is an issue of the heart that an observance cannot get to.
---James_L on 8/3/11


Francis,



The fear of death is what keeps men in bondage to sin (Hebrews 2:15)... death is the power of satan. Jesus Christ came to defeat that and did. That is why believers in Him do not need to fear death. Putting the fear of death behind us is crucial to growing in Christ.

Christ was perfect. We are not even though we may try. His righteousness was imputed to us and our sin was imputed to Him.

If you sidestep that, then you are trying to gain righteous by the law and just as Paul said in Galatians, that makes you fallen from grace. Christ has become of no effect for you.

Strict obedience to the law does not determine your righteousness. Faith in Jesus Christ does.
---CraigA on 8/3/11


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Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Gal 3:11,12

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is NOT of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Your faith in Jesus Christs ability to make you righteous is what saves you. Not your faith in your own ability to follow the law "good enough".
---CraigA on 8/3/11


Francis, it is true that when God created man, it was for the sole purpose of worshiping Him. Therefore before you try and contradict one's reply, please read the context of the question first and then the blogger's answer. There are many (like you) who simply love to ramble on about how much they know without sticking to the context of the blog.

The question asked was "Did Adam & Eve worship on the Sabbath..." So, tell me where from Genesis to Exodus 16 did God reveal to man that they were to worship Him on the Sabbath?

It is clear that God through His covenants did reveal Himself in stages till the final covenant that was pointing to the Lord Jesus Christ. Did you know that or are you going to start rambling?
---christan on 8/3/11


Francis, you have not answered my question.

I do agree that if a person calls themselves Christian but purposefully disobeys the 10 Commandments then their Christianity is in doubt.

However do you believe that adherence to the 10 Commandments is a prerequisite for a nonChristian to be saved?
---Warwick on 8/3/11


I get the impression that SDAs only observe the Sabbath because it is one of the Ten Commandments. Is that correct?
---James_L on 8/3/11
PAUL WROTE:
Romans 7:7 for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

JAMES WROTE:
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

The very same law in which God said do not commit adultery, do not murder or do not covet, is the very exact same law in whcih he said remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.

CORRECT
---Francis on 8/3/11


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I would think that spending more time telling people about Jesus Christ .---CraigA on 8/2/11
How do you tell people about Jesus the Christ without telling them that he died for their sins, and that they must repent from sin, be it murder, adultery, false witnessing or not keeping the sabbath?

On which day of the week are we FORBIDDEN to worship?
---Cluny on 8/2/11
Every act of an individual is an act of worship!. The choice of diet, the choice of language, the choice of dress, all are acts of worship: Be it to God or to another god. The act of abserverving or rejecting the Sabbath is also an act of worship. Be it observance as to worship God as creator, or rejection as to worship another god
---francis on 8/3/11


jerry -Heb 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The Old Testament worship system came to an end when the Temple ceased to exist.

There was no longer a requirement to sacrifice animals or observe any of the Jewish feasts including the obsolete Sabbath.

If the Sabbath was still required of Christians there would most certainly be a command for it in the NT but there is NOT.

While Jews continued to observe the OT sabbath, it was never commanded of the Gentile church.

Adventists simply ignore the fact that neither the Bible nor the early church taught observance of the Jewish Sabbath.
---leej on 8/3/11


\\Actually, they (and the Gentile mixed multitude) were taught Sabbath observance in the lesson of the manna PRIOR to Mt. Sinai.
---jerry6593 on 8/3/11\\

Wrong again. The manna began descending AFTER the Decalogue had been delivered.

**I get the impression that SDAs only observe the Sabbath because it is one of the Ten Commandments. Is that correct?
---James_L on 8/3/11**

But they pick and choose HOW they observe the Sabbath. Even though the Bible says that fires are NOT to be lit on the Sabbath, they still drive cars. Remember the internal combustion engine works by lighting hundreds, if not thousands, of fires a minute.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/3/11


Do you believe you need to observe the Saturday Sabbath to receive salvation?
---Warwick on 8/2/11
The sabbath commandment is one of ten commandments. No greater, no lesser than thou shall not murder or thou shall not have any other gods.
To not observe the Sabbath is a sin just as coveting, adultery, or taking Gods name in vain. If you cannot het into the kingdom of God with making graven images to worship, or by being an unrepentant adulterer, liar, or theft, the same applies for the Sabbath or for not honouring your father and mother
---francis on 8/3/11


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Jerry, the mixed multitude was very quickly "Judaised" by the Mosaic law, so they became Jews. the ones who refused to be judaised (example Numbers 11:4)
became adversaries of Israel afterwards. the gentile Christians that converted where never Judaised. the only regulation that are imposed upon us are in acts 15. IF HOWEVER, and i repeat myself, someone prefers saterday, sunday, or even friday or saterday, lets not be legalist about it. (for indeed, Christ is Lord of the Sabbath, and has delegated his power to the church, so we are CO-lords with Christ.
as example, i give my tithes because i believe i'm blessed in it, i can expound my vision upon it, but i have no right to believe in my brother's stead.
---andy3996 on 8/3/11


//The Jewish sabbath observance came to an end with the destruction of the Jerusalem temple." That's ridiculous! ALL of Jesus' disciples continued to keep the seventh-day Sabbath. All Jews today keep the seventh-day Sabbath.

Yes, the apostles kept the Sabbath, howbeit, they and their successors did NOT teach keeping the OT sabbath to Gentile Christians. Read the writings of the early church fathers!

Even that Paul fella, had the audacity to say that one day is as good as another and guess what? he even told us we did not have to keep the Levitical food laws. Romans 14

Only Jews and Legalists keep the Sabbath today as they really need it to prove to themselves, that God favors them above all others.
---leej on 8/3/11


leej, lee, leonia, maryg, etc: "The Jewish sabbath observance came to an end with the destruction of the Jerusalem temple." That's ridiculous! ALL of Jesus' disciples continued to keep the seventh-day Sabbath. All Jews today keep the seventh-day Sabbath.

Gordon: "Hebrews received the Sabbath Commandment .... at Sinai." Actually, they (and the Gentile mixed multitude) were taught Sabbath observance in the lesson of the manna PRIOR to Mt. Sinai.
---jerry6593 on 8/3/11


I get the impression that SDAs only observe the Sabbath because it is one of the Ten Commandments. Is that correct?
---James_L on 8/3/11


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--Having Faith and Grace, is no reason to sin (trangress the law)GOD FORBID!
---Francis on 8/2/11


And yet each believer does sin ...every ...single ...day, including yourself. So why do you insist on pointing out everyone elses sin instead of looking at your own? Do you honestly think that will make yours go away?

I would think that spending more time telling people about Jesus Christ would be better than trying to judge people for which day they worship Him on...

Seems to me that your priorities are mixed up.
---CraigA on 8/2/11


Lee, leeonia, Leej, nowhere in Scripture is Sunday called "the Sabbath."
---Warwick on 8/2/11


The Jewish sabbath observance came to an end with the destruction of the Jerusalem temple.

To say that the OT sabbath must still be binding on the church is to ignore the fact that such was not mandated at the Jerusalem council. We can easily see that in that NONE of the early church fathers promoted the Jewish Sabbath.

Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.

Christians observe the Christian Sabbath - Sunday, referred to as the Lord's day in all the early writings.
---leej on 8/2/11


Genesis 2:2,3-God rested on "the seventh day" and "made it holy." Does anyone imagine Adam and Eve did not know of this?

Exodus 20:8-11-God directly links His first 7th day of rest directly with the 7th day Sabbath.

Does anyone imagine no one, in the intervening period knew this and rested as He did?

If they did not know of, and observe the Sabbath, before the Law was given, were they also unaware they were not to murder, or commit adultery? Surely not!

There is no doubt God decreed His followers rest the 7th day, However the real question for Francis is: Do you believe you need to observe the Saturday Sabbath to receive salvation?
---Warwick on 8/2/11


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This is just another blog to promote SDA legalism.
Sorry to hear about Aurelio BTW, my condolences.
---micha9344 on 8/2/11


francis, let me ask you another question.

On which day of the week are we FORBIDDEN to worship?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/11


There really is no direct Scripture to indicate that Adam and Eve observed the 7th Day Sabbath (that I'm aware of). BUT, GOD did sanctify the 7th Day after He created mankind. So, I personally believe, that Adam and Eve DID observe Sabbath. It could be that the Hebrews received the Sabbath Commandment (on the Stone Tablets) maybe because they weren't allowed to observe the Sabbath during their 400 years of bondage in Egypt, and had "forgotten" the Sabbath, and therefore, had to be "reminded" of it by GOD at Sinai.
---Gordon on 8/2/11


AM I IN GRACE OR UNDER THE LAW?
---andy3996 on 8/1/11
1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ,..
Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found transgressors of the law, is therefore Christ the minister of the transgression of the law? God forbid

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in the transgression of the law, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we transgress the law, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Having Faith and Grace, is no reason to sin (trangress the law)GOD FORBID!
---Francis on 8/2/11


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Andy: "the lords day, sunday(rev1:10) John was in the Spirit."

Where did you get that Sunday was the Lord's day? Scripture please! My Bible says the Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath day. That is the ONLY day that God ever made holy - from Eden until today.
---jerry6593 on 8/2/11


If he's not sure. I am.

Romans 5:12-14
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come


The law FOR righteousness hadnt been given yet. Paul was sure of it which is why he uses Moses as a reference point. Are you more enlightened by the Spirit than a man who wrote most of the New Testament?
---CraigA on 8/1/11


And also.... no matter what you do, you can't dance around these undeniable truths:

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth

Gal 5:4,5
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit WAIT for the hope of righteousness by faith.

If you arent relying upon HIS deeds for your righteous, you will fall short and die. We cling to his law because it is rooted in love and we love him for what he has done for us. That is the proper motivation to follow the law.
---CraigA on 8/1/11


Scripture does not record which day of the week Adam and Animate worshipped Jesus, only that it was early in the morning when they were accustomed to personally meeting with the Lord: "And they heard the voice of Yhwh God as he walked in the garden in the wind of the day, and Adam hid himself and his wife also from the face of Yhwh God, among the trees of the garden. And Yhwh God called Adam and said to him, Where, you? And he answered, Your voice I heard in the garden but I was afraid, because I, naked, and therefore hid myself." Gen.3:8-10.
---Eloy on 8/2/11


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The law was still thousand years away.
-Scott1 on 8/1/11
Are you 100% sure?
Look at these verses:
Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed..MY LAWS.

ADULTERY Genesis 39:9:how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
HONOUR THY PARENTS Genesis 9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
IDOLATRY: Genesis 35:2 Put away the strange gods
TAKING GODS NAME: Genesis 4:26 then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
CLEAN AND UNCLEAN MEATS: Genesis 7:2 clean beast by sevens, beasts that are not clean by two,

I could go on, but the fact that there is not a nice clean list like in exodus 20, does not mean that all the law in not in genesis:
---Francis on 8/1/11


francis, I'll give you $10,000 if you find ONE verse in the Bible that names a day on which we get to keep in an UNholy and profane manner, and live according to our own devices since Christ came.

Be sure to give BCV and the day it specifies.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/1/11


francis i di not need 7 years since i believe that in christ every day is holy. reread my blog and understand. Romans 14:5-6 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Romans 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord, and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks, and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
if you want to i could give you scriptures about sunday service as well.
and again the question comes
AM I IN GRACE OR UNDER THE LAW?
---andy3996 on 8/1/11


bible reasons why (most)Christians prefer the first day (sunday) to worship.
it is the day of the LOrd because this day the lord rose from the grave. Matthew28:1, Mark 16:2 & 9, luke 24:1, john 20:1 & 19.
DID THE ORIGINAL CHURCH MEET on Sabbath or SUNDAY?
Paul teaching on sabbath acts 13:14, 16:13
breaking of the bread (communion)acts 20:7 sunday.
pauls advice concerning offerings (1 corinthians 16:2.
the lords day, sunday(rev1:10) John was in the Spirit.
lastly Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.
AM I IN GRACE OR UNDER THE LAW?
---andy3996 on 8/1/11


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Was the Sabbath was a sign between God and Israel only? Let's reason this out.

1. God blessed that day thousands of years before the Israelites became known. Therefore it was mad for man, not man for the Sabbath. Mark 2:27

2. Jesus preached on the Sabbath, he is Lord of the Sabbath. If he is Lord of the Sabbath, that means it must still exist.

3. Paul, taking Jesus' example, also preached on the Sabbath to the Jews and Gentiles.

4. The Israelites were the chosen people to deliver the word of God to the rest of the world, but failed, thinking it was only for them. They were told to remember it, therefore, it was established before the ten commandments.
---Steveng on 8/1/11


The Sabbath foreever:

OT SABBATH:
Ezekiel 46:1 The gate of the inner court shall be shut the six working days, but on the sabbath it shall be opened,
Ezekiel 46:3 the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths.

NT SABBATH:
Acts 13:42 the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

SABBATH IN NEW EARTH:
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth..
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
---Steveng on 8/1/11


---andy3996 on 8/1/11
I give you 7 years to find ONE verse that says every day is holy. Or are you now willing to admit that you just made that up and save time. I give you 7 years because I would like you to take thetime to completely search the bible to find such a text.

At creation week, god only blessed and sanctified ONE DAY and made that day Holy. Now you say he did that for every day?

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
---Francis on 8/1/11


Francisco, worshiping God on the Sabbath Day was given to Israel after their deliverance from bondage in Egypt, 2000 years after Adam.
---christan on 7/31/11

You are mistaken
Even before the law was given ( EXODUS 20) They were keeping the sabbath ( EXODUS 16).

It is not the purpose of the book of Genesis to give the law. That is done in thebook of deuteronomy. Most people who read the bible do not get that.

We credit moses for writing the first 5 books of the bible, do you really think Moses wrote this: Deuteronomy 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. Deuteronomy 34:8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days:
---francis on 8/1/11


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\\Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation,\\

Et reliqua.

These are good examples of the adage, "A text without a context is a pretext."

The Leviticus verse is specifically talking about the pilgrim feasts, NOT the weekly sabbath.

All it's saying is that WORK is supposed to cease on the first and last day of feasts, as well as worship. In other words, there can be as many as six weeks of the year with TWO sabbaths in them.

But there's NO command to worship on the weekly sabbath. Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/1/11


fact is that sabbath is part of the jewish law, and that in christ every day is Holy, what is important however is to worship, (as someone mentioned before) in Spirit and truth, and whoever does this is naturfally concerned about "a day of the Lord" if you feel good about saterday,without judging sunday worship, good. but for legalists i say, your worship needs to start on FRIDAY NIGHT, as soon you don't see the difference between a white and a black thread, keep all the abiding laws arround his as well, one shouldnotkeep his feet dry standing in the rain.
i believe this discussion rather should be are you following the law of Moses or CRACE

JESUS SETS US FREE
---andy3996 on 8/1/11


Well before the fall God walked with Adam in the cool of the day. So there was no separation from them so worship was continuous.
After the fall they continued to give the first fruits of there labor (Cain - shepard, Abel - farmer) as their act of worship. As far as a scheduled day probably not. The law was still thousand years away. But God spoke to them about when to give sacrifice and other acts of worship on some sort of schedule but probably not as formal as a sabbath Law.
---Scott1 on 8/1/11


Galatians 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath dayS:
DID YOU KNOW THAT HIS SPEAKS OF THE TABANACLE FEAST DAYS GIVEN IN LEVITICUS 23?

Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come,
This speaks again of the TABANACLE: Hebrews 8:5 the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle:..

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
---francis on 7/31/11


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I'd tend to think that Adam and Eve worshipped God on their first day of existence as well as the first day of the week.
Did they harvest enough food on the day they were created so that they did not need to harvest on the seventh day?
It doesn't seem likely.
---micha9344 on 7/31/11


Francisco, worshiping God on the Sabbath Day was given to Israel after their deliverance from bondage in Egypt, 2000 years after Adam.

God gave Adam (Eve was yet to be created) the first law, to obey Him or face the consequence of death. Guess what? Adam failed thus imputed to all his posterity the label of being a sinner from the day they are born.

Back to your question, after disobeying God, they were chased out of Eden by God. They are now dead in sin and trespasses, so then how can they worship God? To worship God, "you must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth", ie God must give the man His gift of faith. That's what separates the believer from an unbeliever, faith in Jesus Christ.
---christan on 7/31/11


read Galatians 4:6-11 also a very important Collosians 2:16-23 & 3:1-25
it appears to me that the bible dealt very openly with this matter, yet up to now legalising fractions work in every section. SABBATH-NOSABBATH sunday or saterday, from morning to evening or from evening to morning, worshipping one, or every day. church, all this is only a shade of spiritual things and when one worships in heart, he does no longer concider these vague notions.
sabbatists are right, Sundists (who worship on sunday) are right also, in Jerusalem some hebraic churches meet on Fridaynight (since the jewish sabbath starts on friday-evening. and everyone is right since everyone worships inspirit and truth.
GOD IS TRUE FREEDOM
---andy3996 on 7/31/11


The act of Keeping the sabbath day Holy I.E. abstaining from work on the 7th day, is an act of worship. It shows that you accept, and respect God as the creator and redeemer.

The Act of not keeping the sabbath holy Is an act ofdisrespect and SIN
Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day,
( in the middle east, it is a sign of great disrespect to put you foot/ or show on someone. God says if we do not keep his sabbath, we disrect him as if we put our foot on him)
Romans 3:20 for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.

Sabbath is 1/10 commandments in the law. No greater or lesser than any murder or adultery.
---Francis on 7/31/11


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The Sabbath commandment had NOTHING to do with worship, ---Cluny on 7/30/11

Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation,

Ezekiel 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

READING THE BIBLE DOES HELP US TO UNDERSTAND THE WILL OF GOD
---francis on 7/31/11


If the bible is to be believed, the very first seventh day, and everyone after IS Holy. Spiritual deserment would indicate that Adam would have followed the example along with God and also observe the Holy Day. He would have also rested on the Holy Day. The seventh day being Holy did not start with the giving of the Ten Commandments, it started with creation. the act of oberving the Holy Day is an act of worship.
God did not simple declare that the 7th day was Holy, and set it aside until the giving of the Ten COmmands, the Bible tells us that god himself rested the day, and also rested on the day. So clearly the very first 7th day was observed as the sabbath, even by God himself.
---francis on 7/31/11


The principle upon which God based His holy day, His Sabbath (as Exodus 20:8-11 shows) is that He created in six days and rested on the seventh day.

Genesis 2:3 says God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, and rested.

As Adam had a talking relationship with God I feel confident Adam knew about the seventh day and rested.
---Warwick on 7/31/11


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