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trav i can see indeed that your starting to improve,
For it is by grace we are saved through faith.
---andy3996 on 9/1/11


Jer 2:8
The priests said not, Where is the LORD? They that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit.
Job 21:34
---Trav on 9/1/11

Trav

You continue to show your ignorance, how does this apply to me.

You are making personal judgments about someone you don't personally know.

Do you see the lack of Godliness in that?

You throw out your unfounded judgment against those you don't know that truly shows your degree of knowledge and maturity.

Paul
---paul on 9/1/11


Trav
.... a brother is interested in you your response is to bash and condemn.
You may do well to read some of MY BOOKS, you may learn how to love your brothers and sisters.
Paul
---paul on 9/1/11

We are not brothers by the definition of scripture. Nor are you and I.
You presuming to improve on scripture? Ubetcha. You merchandise Christ and GOD.
You speak in tongues you cannot interpret or no one else. By the way, word is "course",for your book.
Rather die happy and alone with my GOD, than accompanied/surrounded by your foolishness.
Ecclesiastes 12:12
And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
---Trav on 9/1/11


Trav
You may do well to read some of MY BOOKS, you may learn how to love your brothers and sisters.

---paul on 9/1/11

We'll do better by avoiding them and comparing scripture. Your books are greater than scripture?

One more thing. I look for and care deeply about the sheep.
Ministers who r Hirelings, or Wolfs eating sheep .... have no use for. Neither does my GOD and Lord.
John 10:12
But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves
---Trav on 9/1/11


Trav

People attempt to reach out to you and instead of rejoicing that a brother is interested in you your response is to bash and condemn.

You may do well to read some of MY BOOKS, you may learn how to love your brothers and sisters.

I truly feel sorry for you, on your present coarse you will die a bitter lonely old man.

Paul
---paul on 9/1/11




Trav (u2 are made for eachother) yes we are and so are you, ...---andy3996 on 9/1/11

Well, so far I'm able to resist your lack of witness scriptures.

I find many suitable for our discourse though.
1 Peter 2:15
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
Deut 23:5
Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam, but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee.

Nor will I hearken. To any who would trade an embryo for approved paperwork,etc,etc.
---Trav on 9/1/11


Trav (u2 are made for eachother) yes we are and so are you, only its up to you to give yourself up to CHRIST JESUS. LOVE YOU IN THE NAME OF THE LORD....
---andy3996 on 9/1/11


This man has become a god unto himself defining scriptures with his own needs in mind as opposed to the needs of the body.

Paul
---paul on 8/30/11

A GOD unto himself? Wow, paulpaul. Scriptures with my own needs in mind? As opposed to the needs of the body? Wow paulpaul.

No wonder you sell love books. Who could unravel those vague mystery sentences.

Jer 2:8
The priests said not, Where is the LORD? They that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit.
Job 21:34
How then comfort ye me in vain, seeing in your answers there remaineth falsehood?

U 2 were made for each other.
---Trav on 9/1/11


Paul with due respect, i've always been called for the hopeless, and iknow what i'm doing
---andy3996 on 8/31/11

Praying for you brother,

Paul
---paul on 8/31/11


Paul with due respect, i've always been called for the hopeless, and iknow what i'm doing
the truth will set free, all i pray is that even when he's amused and anoyed this will cause his heart to break open as the water brakes of a woman going in labour. if onelooks at pain during childbirth noone in his right mind would have a second baby, yet because we see the joy beyond the pain, this we endure willingly the pain and discomfort.
---andy3996 on 8/31/11




Trav, so your outburst and insulting was not in anger? (for indeed in calling me a biliam you where far away from christ) boy do you need help. i'll pray even harder for you
---andy3996 on 8/30/11


Your misplaced concern should be practiced with a mirror.
---Trav on 8/30/11

Andy

He does NOT desire a relationship with you at all.

Further more he finds your attempts humorous and annoying.

You can not reach all men with reason or scriptures.

This man has become a god unto himself defining scriptures with his own needs in mind as opposed to the needs of the body.

I say such as he, turn away and pray for him.

The god of this world has is eyes blinded and miss focused.

Shake off the dust and don't allow him to continue to drag you through the slop with him.

Paul
---paul on 8/30/11


TRAV, here is another scripure for you:
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother .....
CAN YOU SEE NOW THAT I AM GENUINLY concerned about YOU
---andy3996 on 8/30/11

Andy your scripture does not apply in two places.
I'm not the least bit angry and never have been. Second I cannot consider you a brother as you disorderly and non-discerning are outside the scriptural definition.

Your misplaced concern should be practiced with a mirror.

2 Thessalonians 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
---Trav on 8/30/11


TRAV, here is another scripure for you:
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. {Raca: that is, Vain fellow}

CAN YOU SEE NOW THAT I AM GENUINLY concerned about YOU
---andy3996 on 8/30/11


TRAV Andy goes bonk-about :-))common response for preachery imposters and those desiring to teach that which they have no witnesses for. IF I'M biliamic,GOD WILL surely DELIVER ME.
NEVERTHELESS have you considered TO ASK GOD TO HEAL YOUR BROKEN AND WOUNDED HEART? if you want i can help you. (for even biliam prophecied from the LORD ,-) Isaiah 61:1-3
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek, he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound, To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all that mourn. continue reading until verse4
---andy3996 on 8/29/11


Trav, ....you use to answer with Scripture subjects about the Bible, then you changed.

most of your answers are critical when someone gives you Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 8/29/11

Well, Show those scriptures replying. He uses none in his responses to scriptural pointing. He cannot there are none supportive. So he calls mine hate. Ha.

I am unashamedly critical and so is scripture of anyone leading astray sheep or making merchandise of them.

He playing the "hate" wild card in a nothing is wild game of witnesses.
Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
---Trav on 8/29/11


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Trav, there you go again giving your opinion and then condemning them with Scripture, almost as does Eloy. When you answer, and someone disagrees, you give your opinion of them just like he does.
I remember before I answered you the first time about the Jews that Hitler killed that you use to answer with Scripture subjects about the Bible, then you changed. And most of your answers are critical when someone gives you Scripture. Why don't you go back to who you were before? That one use to teach, not this one.
---Mark_V. on 8/29/11


Andy, don't worry, I got the same response from Trav a few times. He said,
"I use Scripture because anyone can have an opinion" and all he did was have an opinion. ---Mark_V. on 8/28/11

Well anyone can have an opinion. His/ur Tell.
Andy goes bonk-about when I point certain scripture like below.
It's common response for preachery imposters and those desiring to teach that which they have no witnesses for. As you know.
Revelation 2:14
But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
---Trav on 8/29/11


.... why do i say this in public? because i know that however trav isn't willing at this point, he needs to see that not all God's children hate him.
---andy3996 on 8/29/11

Ha. You're your own special trip andyman. Why do I say this in public? For sheep watching you hide from scripture by clown dancing. More scripture... bojangles.
GOD for
Thank you YAH. Deliver us from Balaam's boys.
2 Peter 2:15
Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness,
Deut 23:5
Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam, but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee.
---Trav on 8/29/11


I donot understand, and Im not looking to, all i know is that trav really is in need, my heart was touched and broken when i realised how dire his situation must be. i picture trav as a loving caring guy who ghot hurt so many times that whenever anyone touches him he yells out o pain. why do i say this in public? because i know that however trav isn't willing at this point, he needs to see that not all God's children hate him.
---andy3996 on 8/29/11


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Andy, don't worry, I got the same response from Trav a few times. He said,
"I use Scripture because anyone can have an opinion" and all he did was have an opinion. Because when he started he said,
"And your just the preacher to do it ..for $$$$$$.
You and Andy go to the same church...right? sounds like a rehearsed infomercial.
Anything for a buck. A non denom buck...so the market is not restricted to only Baptist or Methodist."

If that is not an opinion then we should find it in Scripture, guess what? It's not there. Then he says,
"You aren't the first claiming preacher type that pointed scripture has chastised." Which is exactly what he did. No use trying to understand.
---Mark_V. on 8/28/11


TRAV, not scripture offended me God forbid, that is TRAV who is in dire need of spiritual help, and i pray you will find it.
May God bless you with a great pastor who will have patience towards you and see beyond this yelling personality, for indeed the more LOVE is POURed OUT TO YOU THE MORE YOU YELL, an obvious case of a broken heart.REMEMBER
Matthew 12:20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

---andy3996 on 8/27/11


TRAV "You aren't aren't the first claiming preacher type that pointed scripture has chastised".
SO IN OTHER WORDS, i'm not the only one who sees your in dire need for help. now for you to realise that mybe when it is you against the universe, it might indicate that the problem lies within you, would be a big help indeed.
FATHER GOD, I ask You to forgive every wrong word, I forgive trave, and i ask YOU LORD to forgive me that i did not see the cry for help of TRAV. I Pray that Trav's eyes will be opened,for his real need and that he might find YOUR freedom YOU planned for him, i pray God that trav will be freed from these chains that hold him in Jesus name. amen.
---andy3996 on 8/27/11


IF JUST A BIT OF CHRIST IS IN YOU you can call HIM for help, I am sure he will deliver you from these demons in your head, He can do it for you and HE Loves you. SO DO I, even when i was offended at first
I FORGIVE YOU, EVEN IF YOU DONT WANT IT.
---andy3996 on 8/26/11

Ha. He has hedged me and mine. From far worse than your percieved offences.
Nothing needs forgiven other than pointing to scripture that carries it own weight. The scriptures have offended you I understand. It is a tell.
I used scripture because anyone can have an opinion. GOD confirms his written witnesses to his direction.

You aren't aren't the first claiming preacher type that pointed scripture has chastised.
---Trav on 8/26/11


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TRAV
The criteria is one must first be a brother.
....withdraw from the disorderly one.
2 Thessalonians 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us

first i was offended, but now i see that you really need help brother,
IF JUST A BIT OF CHRIST IS IN YOU you can call HIM for help, I am sure he will deliver you from these demons in your head, He can do it for you and HE Loves you. SO DO I, even when i was offended at first
I FORGIVE YOU, EVEN IF YOU DONT WANT IT.
---andy3996 on 8/26/11


And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
---andy3996 on 8/26/11

The criteria is one must first be a brother.
....withdraw from the disorderly one.

2 Thessalonians 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
---Trav on 8/26/11


TRAV TO USE SCRIPTURES
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
---andy3996 on 8/26/11


...really if you want to be this way may the good lord bless you upon every word you speak.
---andy3996 on 8/25/11

Ahhh, thanks andyman.
Deuteronomy 28:2
And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
( Would that I had hearkened in my youth and fully in my present state)

Psalm 40:4
Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

Proverbs 27:14
He that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him.
---Trav on 8/25/11


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HAIL ALMIGHTY trav the o-mini-potent.
really if you want to be this way may the good lord bless you upon every word you speak.
---andy3996 on 8/25/11


TRAV apologise to ALL because YOU DO NOT SHOW ANY FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT. nevertheless IF YOUR A CHRISTIAN?? then THESE FRUITS NEED TO BE APPARENT.

APOLOGISE APOLOGISE
---andy3996 on 8/24/11

Ha. When Hades is frozen over solid..... I'll apologize.
If my fruit is not of ur spirit it is of the rebuking scripture.

Ezekiel 3:19
Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity, but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Malachi 3:18
Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
---Trav on 8/25/11


TRAV apologise to ALL because YOU DO NOT SHOW ANY FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT. nevertheless IF YOUR A CHRISTIAN?? then THESE FRUITS NEED TO BE APPARENT.

APOLOGISE APOLOGISE
---andy3996 on 8/24/11


TRAV, before God YOU SHOULD apologise.
.... maybe i called you the antichrist.
....but obviously seeing your responce to the light, light hurts you.
---andy3996 on 8/23/11

It would be impossible to aplogize for a truth.

If you are light....you need to get some new batteries andy. "Eveready".
---Trav on 8/23/11


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TRAV, before God YOU SHOULD apologise.
it can be that you disagree with what i say, but how much did you pay me to err?
did i call you a jezebel, or a biliam, maybe i called you the antichrist. i've always tried to expound honnestly towards you, but obviously seeing your responce to the light, light hurts you. If someone rejects the light, then God who is dwelling in light cannot be his God.(read John1) then at least your right in one thing we donot worship the same God. JESUS CHRIST IS MY SAVIOUR Jesus IS MY JUDGE, THE FATHER accepted me in HIS household, the Spirit Leads me to the Eternal BLISS. i am Christ's, but what about you?
PS READ Galatians 5 (we will be recognised by our fruits)
---andy3996 on 8/23/11


.....the Old Covenant is a shadow and forerunner of the NEW?
or that the Old covenant prepared our hearts to receive the New
or that the old was insufficient so Now God gave us the NEW?
couldn't agree with you more.
---andy3996 on 8/10/11

You state your doctrine not mine.
Insufficient to you as per your statement. We are not in agreement, thanks to the grace of my GOD.

GOD gave the New to Israel both Houses.
Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

Balaam is your doctrine.
---Trav on 8/21/11


What he says and does for me. Pay the bills and know how to treat and respect me. Both in private and in public.Buying frequent gifts is nice,too. It begins with these things but much more.
---Robyn on 8/20/11


So basically what you'r saying is that the Old Covenant is a shadow and forerunner of the NEW?
or that the Old covenant prepared our hearts to receive the New
or that the old was insufficient so Now God gave us the NEW?
couldn't agree with you more.
---andy3996 on 8/10/11


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I'm not sure where your going trav.
---andy3996 on 8/9/11

I'm not going or taking you anywhere. Scripture will or will not.
If something is in the New Covenant foundational, the Old Covenant Prophets will have laid the foundation. They point to what the New Covenant is about. Instead of opinions,theory's etc one should include two or more of these witnesses. Otherwise one can be found going against the prophets. Otherwise it is just a speculation.
Mark 9:4
And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
---Trav on 8/10/11


Mainly by action. Being there emotionally,physically,spiritually,mentally for me. I love gifts,flowers,romance,my favorite foods. The list is very long.
---Robyn on 8/9/11


I'm not sure where your going trav.
---andy3996 on 8/9/11


...everyone has his own truth, whilst we all need to seek Christ's truth.
---andy3996 on 8/9/11

Show two or more Old T Prophets Andy for every New Covenant scripture you present and our studys will unify.
Example:
Eze 34:12
As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered, so will I seek out my sheep, will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

Matt 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel
Zech 11:7
I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. I took unto me two staves, the one I called Beauty, the other I called Bands, I fed the flock.
---Trav on 8/9/11


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well from where I'M sitting IT'S You who abounds in confused ideologies about the bible.
then again, everyone has his own truth, whilst we all need to seek Christ's truth. THANK GOD that Jesus did not say whoever know this or that creed shall be saved, also he never said that whoever is member of this or that denomination will be saved,
he said that whoever believes IN HIM shall be saved
we believe that CHRIST IS GOD.
WE BELIEVE IN THE BROTHERHOOD OF THE SAINTS
WE BELIEVE THAT ANYONE CAN BE SAVED
and we walk according so. GOD BLESS
---andy3996 on 8/9/11


now trav you need to confess yourself,

MAY WE ABOUND IN CHRIST
---andy3996 on 8/6/11

You abound in some confusion in scripture Andy. But, scripture can guide a seeker in.
We agree there is a Christ.

While your Zeal is authentic, scriptural witnesses are known.

Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
P.S. Your buddy went walk about....truth was too good for us. And to hard for him.
---Trav on 8/8/11


trav, too late, Paul signed of. sorry
---andy3996 on 8/8/11


What is going on....a lengendary shepherd abandoning sheep.

Ezekiel 34:2
Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds, Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
Ezekiel 34:10
Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I am against the shepherds, I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock, neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more, for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
---Trav on 8/8/11


trav, too late, Paul signed of. sorry
---andy3996 on 8/8/11


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I'll appreciate in the future if you just mind your own business and keep your false witness to your self till the day of judgment.
You know nothing of me, but your words tell exactly who you are.
---paul on 8/5/11

If i buy a book or CD can we be friends?
Anytime I see Christ being merhandised it bothers me enough to point it out to any sheep. You know, the free speech thing.
You stated GOD's word needed your help. And for a coupla $$buck$$ preachry will share his Biblically learned "Love" answers.
My visualization is a tree bearing fruit of books and CD's.

Psalm 53:4
Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.
---Trav on 8/8/11


MAY WE ABOUND IN CHRIST
---andy3996 on 8/6/11

Very Good Response, love it.

Paul
---paul on 8/6/11


Signing off, hope you all will study the five love languages and any resources which allows you to understand how to love your spouse more completely.

I must sign off from Cnet It is consuming way to much of my time and it is becoming a vehicle that is taking me backwards to someone I sacrificed years ago, I feel the resurrection of my flesh and I must not allow that.

If I have wrongly offended any I do apologize, but to those who needed rebuke I truly pray you will heed my words and reconsider your hate filled ways.

You may be doing it in the name of the Lord but it is straight from hell, I am leaving here to keep from becoming more like you.

Consider your ways, Paul

---paul on 8/6/11


well Paul, i dono about you, but i think we should be honnest with Trav, because indeed we both go to the same church. Trav both Paul and i go to the church of Christ, the body of believers, and the fellowship of the saints, both are in the "sect of Jesus the Nazareen" and both are baptised in water and Spirit,
now trav you need to confess yourself, do you go to this same church as well? if so, then your guilty as well, if no then you'r not a believer. because there's only one church of whom Christ is the Bishop, and PATER AETERNUS NOSTER

MAY WE ABOUND IN CHRIST
---andy3996 on 8/6/11


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And your just the preacher to do it .....for $$$$$$.
You and Andy go to the same church...right? sounds like a rehearsed infomercial.
-Trav on 8/5/11

What and the world are you talking about, man I truly am concerned for you.

Your bias and judgment truly is sickening, if you have followed any of our exchanges I am in Virginia and he is in Africa.

So yeah we attend the same Church.

It is attitudes like yours that have no place in the Body of Christ for your intentions come straight from the pits of hell.

I'll appreciate in the future if you just mind your own business and keep your false witness to your self till the day of judgment.
You know nothing of me, but your words tell exactly who you are.
---paul on 8/5/11


Andy
I believe the Word of God is the only Authority in a believers life.

It in conjunction with some books of wisdom concerning growing, nurturing, cultivating and promoting love ......but we must apply Godly wisdom through different resources to help us understand how to do it.
---paul on 8/1/11

And your just the preacher to do it .....for $$$$$$.
You and Andy go to the same church...right? sounds like a rehearsed infomercial.

Anything for a buck. A non denom buck...so the market is not restricted to only Baptist or Methodist.
2 Peter 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
---Trav on 8/5/11


Thats exactly why the mechanics must be taught and not condoned.

a great part of course is the example youngsters see at home, and regrettably most kids see nothing but th tele or internet in their house. mother and father working doubble shifts to provide all the exhubbent luxury lack one thing. the luxury of a relation. and even when they stay toghether they live next to eachother. not aware that they miss the greatest part of their live trying to provide bigger house,car, more toys and gadgets.in a way Proverbs 15:17, becomes clear.
---andy3996 on 8/5/11


let's face it most men see the big Sword as a good way to express their love, whilst women want the Higgging
---andy3996 on 8/4/11

Thats exactly why the mechanics must be taught and not condoned.

Paul
---paul on 8/5/11


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I think one shows love when someone appreciate you more than you deserve and able to see your imperfections and yet accept you for who you are.words of affirmation and touch helps to keep someone's heart warm and feel love.
when one invest time even when you are both not talking but being content just being with each other.
---mj on 8/5/11


let's face it most men see the big Sword as a good way to express their love, whilst women want the Higgging
most men think gifts show their love whilst women want attention,
most men think not to disturb their wife in their toughts is respect, whilst women want a husband to intrude with soft respectfull questions.
MEN SHOULD TRY TO COMPROMISE towards their wife as the weaker vessel, whilst women should try to COMPROMISE towards men as their slightly less intelligent hubby (honnestly we men have never learned to talk about thre or four things at the same time, that shows women have a higher IQ, whatever that means) probably I quiet down
---andy3996 on 8/4/11


My point here was to show that if your wife defines love as an act of service, getting her coffee.

And you are loving her in your love language which is words of affirmation.

And you meet her at the door and you ramble on for five minutes as to how much you appreciate her and how beautiful and smart she is.

She is not perceiving that as love, what would make her feel loved would be a nice cup of coffee carried to her and perhaps a bath drawn.

You were imposing your perception or language onto her and she isn't receiving it as love from you.

We need to learn our spouses love language and start speaking to their heart.

Like a foreign language it's challenging, but it's instrumental in communicating love.
---paul on 8/3/11


read two become one, also a practical book, however i did not marry the author, (thank God) he gives some deep and wonderfull, insights and expounds very wel upon marital relations
a few things Eberlee talks about is accepting changes start with yourself,and etcetera. our apostle also wrote a small letter upon the subject, 250 pages, which is very profound sadly up to now it is not yet available.
---andy3996 on 8/2/11


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Then Paul, I suggest your resource should be The Songs of Solomon.
---John on 8/1/11

John

That is a very poetic and moving book and full of descriptive and colorful love encounters.
Great resource.

But is their a reason why someone could not apply Godly wholesome techniques found in traditional writings?

God gives revelation to different things to men often, what would be wrong with utilizing those things.

Much like one would use a cookbook, computer manual or a road map for specific answers directed to solve a specific problem.

Paul
---paul on 8/2/11


Broken to succeed, by Canie.

Read it, you'll like it as well.

Paul
---paul on 8/1/11

The title is ,Shattered to succeed, my apologize to my bride.
---paul on 8/1/11


Then Paul, I suggest your resource should be The Songs of Solomon.
---John on 8/1/11


Andy

Let me make my belifef very clear so we can avoid post re-post.

I believe the Word of God is the only Authority in a believers life.

It in conjunction with some books of wisdom concerning growing, nurturing, cultivating and promoting love will allow for an effective and matured perception of loving our spouse.

The Word does an awesome job of telling us what to do but we must apply Godly wisdom through different resources to help us understand how to do it.
---paul on 8/1/11


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Please share any books you have read that have allowed you to glean wisdom from its pages that have given some insight into building the mechanics of love.

my favorite is a Gary Chapmans book called the five love languages, my wife authored a book with a lot of insight into brokenness how to heal it and avoid it. You can google it, the title is Broken to succeed, by Canie.

Read it, you'll like it as well.

Paul
---paul on 8/1/11


Paul so You believe, as i understand that it is a misconception that marriage is automatically like this, rather you believe that pastors and ministers have the obligation to teach their members HOW to act as Christ. it seems to me you've interpreted Ephesians 4:11-12 well.
i believe that is why also 1 tim 3:1-11 shows such a high standard, so we could live and teach the right way, rather then some old book knowledge from a dusty study.
---andy3996 on 8/1/11


Paul you said This is a common misconception with most Christian men (that marriage should be as Christ and his church)Eph 5:22-33
---andy3996 on 8/1/11

Andy

The misconceptions is no whether or not we should love our wives as Christ loved the Church, for that is our commandment to do so.

The misconception is HOW to do so, that is why I teach the mechanics of Love to our members and not just make such a broad statement.
---paul on 8/1/11


Paul you said This is a common misconception with most Christian men (that marriage should be as Christ and his church)Eph 5:22-33
nevertheless verse 32 tends to "spiritualise" this into ecclesiastic, st.Paul rather used the relation of Christ and the church as an example for behaviour in marriage. i do agree this is an idiom to attend, yet Paul was right in putting the bars so High, christian marriage is an immage for Christ and the church. verse 33 proves paul was talking about marriage itself
---andy3996 on 8/1/11


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Should it not be the same as The Christ and His Church?
---John on 7/31/11

This is a common misconception with most Christian men.

Though this is golden text for success it offers no mechanics for the act of love display at all.

I've been in services, seminars and workshops where this was the topic and in all its grandeur most walked away more confused then when they entered.

Reason being that the only directive was to give yourself for your wife which sparks a wide array of self defining antidotes.

We must focus on the mechanical side of performing love and stop throwing out empty cliches.

That's what I attempt to do at Clearview.
---paul on 7/31/11


Should it not be the same as The Christ and His Church?
---John on 7/31/11


You see we learn love, typically from our parents, and where a lot of couples get off track is when one spouse is loving the other in a language which is foriegn to their perception of love.

My primary language is words of affirmation, so when I come in I dont care as much if supper is cooked, or services comitted.

If I'm met with how was your day handsome, I really appreciate how hard you work for us. I am absolutely stoked and can take on the world.

My wife, on the other hand, is acts of service and then physical touch.
So If I meet her with a cup of coffee made to her liking and a big hug she is stoked.

You see this is how she recognizes love and the fact that I'm committing love towards her.


Paul
---paul on 7/31/11


I haven't been married, but I have had one better than I thought my wife could be . . . communicates, enjoys sharing, excellent in devotional meditation, can prove me wrong using scripture, prayer companion, very about family, loves to sing with me, uniquely sweet and beautiful, enough problems to keep things challenging (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 7/31/11


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Not all of us are married.
---Trish9863 on 7/31/11


I ask my husband one day,"Why do you love me?" He thought a minute, then said,"I feel complete knowing you're part of my life. I feel comfortable being myself with you because you accept me for who I am, flaws & all. You're my soul mate. I believe God created me for you & you for me. How could I NOT love you?" WOW, it's easy to love a man like that!:-)))
---Reba on 7/31/11


that she, in spite of all my shortcommings, keeps supporting me, that I, in spite the fact she's perfect, still know she's there for me.
when i asked my wife she told me exactely the same as what i say now, this mutual feeling and understanding, this being there for eachother no matter what, this "i can be me fully" in front of my partner, i think, believe and know, are only a few perceptions, feel free to add
---andy3996 on 7/31/11


I do not have a "spouse". However I would think I would interpret love from her in the same way I interpret love for and from others. As that which is done with a motive, tendency and intent to uplift, edify, and benefit, without dissimulation or hypocrisy.
If I am ever married my prayer would be that the Father empowers me to "love my wife, just as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for her." Eph 5:25. My expectation from her would be that she would honor and value, with respect and fidelity, my position as Her husband as we submit ourselves one to the other. Always with honor and respect for our Lord and Savior, as we both submit spiritually to Him.
---josef on 7/31/11


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Hi, just as a beautiful example, my dear spouse came in the room when I was overwhelmed and crying and held me and calmed me--and kissed my tears. He's a beautiful man. He couldn't take away the pain but God bless him, he did his best. :) I'm blessed he's my husband.
---Mary on 7/30/11


My wife's great patience with my shortcomings, for one. :-)
---John.usa on 7/30/11


Their are five fundamental love perceptions or languages.

Words of affirmation
Physical touch
Acts of service
Giving of gifts
Quality time.

Which of these do you feel is your primary love language, and which is your spouses?
---paul on 7/30/11


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