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Are You An Active Christian

Would you call yourself an active Christian? If so, describe what is your proof.

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 ---mima on 8/1/11
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John, I completely agree with your statement when you said,
"But do you agree with what I was saying concerning Salvation. Basically its not so much the techique, but the heart."
The problem is really the heart. It is at enmity with God. So long as it remains that way, they will never believe. No matter how much gospel Truth is given to them.
---Mark_V. on 8/11/11


Mima, is there such a thing as an inactive Christian? Is that what you are asking? Because there is no such thing as an inactive Christian unless you are confined to a room and cannot speak or move, Or do you just want Christians to say what they have done to compare that to what you have done, because you also ask to discribe what makes them active as proof.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/11


Mima, A-men. Only the Doers are saved, for all barren trees are gathered up and thrown into the everlasting fire, and they are burned.
---Eloy on 8/6/11


Hey no problem StrongAxe.

We all putting the pieces of the Temple back together in seeking G-d.

Bit by Bit we learn a little more and get a little closer.


But do you agree with what I was saying concerning Salvation. Basically its not so much the techique, but the heart.

As Jesus said..No one builds a house without knowing the all the costs

So once you are truly married to G-d. You begin to see how much it really costs.

And man sometimes its really tough!
---John on 8/3/11


John:

In every context I have ever heard, the Shema was the 6 words of Deutronomy 6:4. However, a simple web search for Jewish Shema reveals several sites that list Deutronomy 6:4-9, which includes the verses you mentioned. Apparently, it was originally just verse 4 but has been expanded, so we were both right. You just taught me something. Thank you. I guess I'm the one who needs to study up on Judaism more.
---StrongAxe on 8/3/11




WRONG AGAIN CLUNY! Funny...I didn't see you at my Rabbinical Studies at Yeshiva

The Shema is a lot more than the six FAMOUS words. It has actually several verses. Which I Myself rescite. You pray(Generally) the Shema 3 times a Day with different verses(Facing Jerusalem).

The basic Shema includes a second verse response...
"Barukh shem kavod malkhuto le'olam Va'ed"
You shall love you G-d with all your heart, soul, and might

STRONGAXE, My arguement is NOT about the Shema, I'm saying that no matter what technique is used, you will not receive salvation unless you love your G-d with all you might, mind and soul. That's how you know you're saved!
---John on 8/3/11


John:

Perhaps you should study up on Judaism more. The Two Commandments Jesus quoted as being the most important are NOT the Shema.

The Shema is: Sh'ma Yisrael. Adonai Elohenu, Adonai ehad.
In English: Hear, O Israel. The LORD is our God. The LORD is one. (Deuteronomy 6:4)

I DO agree with you, however that the Two Commandments which you quoted should be the cornerstone of Christian ethics and belief. NOT the Ten Commandments. (As important as they are, we are not required to obey them directly, but we should end up doing so anyway because they are mostly derived from the Two.)
---StrongAxe on 8/3/11


\\(The Shema) \\

Wrong again, John, as in almost everything you say.

The Shema begins, "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." "Shema, Yisroel, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai echod."

But what are we to expect from someone who is not okay?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/3/11


is everyone affraid to use the lord's prayer?
our father who is in heaven
hallowed be thy name
thy kingdom come
give us today
and forgive us as xe forgive
it seems to me Jesus taught his disciples to pray a kind of sinnerprayer.
---andy3996 on 8/3/11


THE SHEMA!
(Deut 6:4-9)
---John on 8/2/11

Sounds good if you want to continue in the OT framework. Of course, you would have to totally disregard the NT Gospel of Jesus and that His death made a way to approach God for you.

You would also have to deal with the lack of blood atonement for your sins before God, cause most Jews I know no longer sacrifice.

But if you believe that the shed blood of Jesus atones for your sins, why then you must believe in this verse:

Rom 10:9 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved".
---Mark_Eaton on 8/3/11




Can you find even one recorded instance where Jesus preached the Shema to anyone? ---StrongAxe on 8/2/11

YES!

Luke 10:25-28 "And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

And he answering said,...

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind", and thy neighbour as thyself.

And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: do this, and thou shalt live."

(The Shema)


---John on 8/3/11


John:

Can you find even one recorded instance where Jesus or any of the Apostles preached the Shema to anyone? Or that any of them connected the recitation of the Shema with being saved?
---StrongAxe on 8/2/11


As I recall from my reading of the Gospels and other places in the Bible, Jesus is going remind us of ways we did NOT help the sick, suffering, and otherwise relieve the necessities of those needing help.
---Cluny on 8/2/11

WRONG OLE DUSTY ONE!

You need to learn from my posts. I said these are the BY_PRODUCTS of the "True Christian" with the HS.(i.e.Gal5:9)

NEXT...

Given the circumstances, what would you pray if a child came to you and said, "I want to be saved, will you pray with me"?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/2/11

THE SHEMA!
(Deut 6:4-9)
---John on 8/2/11


Salvation is free. It may even be easy. But it's certainly NOT cheap.
---StrongAxe on 8/2/11

Just so we are clear...

Jesus also said that the Word of God is like a seed sowed by a sower and the seed will fall on many types of soil. Some will grow and bear fruit, some will grow annd wither, some will grow and get choked out and some will be eaten before it can root.

Once you get that Pearl of Great Price you cannot just sit down and enjoy it. No sir, you must give it away.

So, are you spreading that great prize around or are you hiding away from others with "your precious"?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/2/11


Mark_Eaton:

Jesus said that the Kingdom of God was like a man who found a pearl of great price, so he sold everything he had so he could buy it (Matthew 13:45-46). This bespeaks something of great value that requires great commitment to possess.

This is in contrast with "cheap" salvation that can be accomplished with a 1-minute speech (or, in my facetious example, a single mouse click).

Salvation is free. It may even be easy. But it's certainly NOT cheap.
---StrongAxe on 8/2/11


This question came about because once while in South Texas I was discussing Proverbs 11:30,"The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and he that winneth souls is wise" with a preacher. After I pointed out the first phrase in this verse to him he said, oh you are an active Christian. And I thought how interesting.
---mima on 8/2/11


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"Sinner's Prayer" page on Facebook, claiming that anybody can get saved just by pressing "Like".
---StrongAxe on 8/2/11

I think there are people blogging here that already think the plan of Salvation is too easy, that simply believing in Christ cannot be the only thing you must do.

I do think "sinners" prayers have value, especially when a person is repentive, sincere about Christ, and is wanting help in praying.

Given the circumstances, what would you pray if a child came to you and said, "I want to be saved, will you pray with me"?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/2/11


I believe we need to look to God's Word for the answer.

John 15:8 "My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples"

I do want to be proven to be His disciple so bearing fruit is a must. I also want to be known as someone who loves Him:

John 14:21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me, and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will manifest Myself to him"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/2/11


John:

You said: All you need to do when he recites it is say...Me Too!

I wonder how long it's going to be before some evangelist has a "Sinner's Prayer" page on Facebook, claiming that anybody can get saved just by pressing "Like".
---StrongAxe on 8/2/11


John, LOL. That was a good one. Unfortunately, what you said is true.
---Gordon on 8/2/11


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//I sure hope Mima you not talking about worldy, carnal facades of Christianity.

Like ... mowing a disable persons lawn etc etc etc.

Because those active are NOT Christianity. \\

As I recall from my reading of the Gospels and other places in the Bible, Jesus is going remind us of ways we did NOT help the sick, suffering, and otherwise relieve the necessities of those needing help.

Just further proof that you are not at all okay in the least, John. There's a book about you called, "I'm OK--You're Not" you should read.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/11


James,...mima is asking how many people have you conned into saying a sinner's prayer so they can feel like they have accepted Christ.
the sinners prayer, isnt that easy as the "idononeedrepentpublicallist" pretends, true, most evangelists makes it sound too easy,However in a way, the sinnerprayer replaces what happened in acts.
Acts2:41 + Romans 10:9= the sinner's prayer. This custom has mainly been founded by those who believe that baptism saves, they did not want anylonger baptise the repentant instantly for they saw that many where baptised and walked away. to prevent unrepented hearts to enter because of the water, the sinnerprayer was introduced as a first, (NOT THE FINAL) step towards life in Christ.
---andy3996 on 8/2/11


John,

I think mima is asking how many people have you conned into saying a sinner's prayer so they can feel like they have accepted Christ
---James_L on 8/1/11

GROSS!!!

The 1 minute get out of hell prayer ticket!

Heck at Ricky Warrens Place you do even have to say the prayer . All you need to do when he recites it is say...Me Too!

Now that's real fast salvation. Makes for Mega$$$ churches.

Ain't life soooo easy!
---John on 8/2/11


Love (as in the verb form), the ultimate commandment spoken of by Jesus. All the laws and commandments hang upon this word. It's the only word that will get you into heaven. It's taking a personally active role in helping the poor and needy, the down trodden, the widows, and the children. It's not depending on your denominational church (through tithes) or the government (through taxes) to help them like many chritians beleive, but taking a very personal interest in the welfare of others - christian or not. Genuine love does not include posting on the impersonal internet - having no personality, no emotion, and is devoid of any sort of human character. It's having a personal relationship with others just as God wants to have with you.
---Steveng on 8/1/11


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John,

I think mima is asking how many people have you conned into saying a sinner's prayer so they can feel like they have accepted Christ
---James_L on 8/1/11


John--- What do you do with the love God gives you for other people?
You tell them about Jesus. But if your love for others comes from God, can you stay indifferent to their other needs? If there is help that you can provide, do you refuse because "Hindus, Sieks" and others may help?

As for the government...well, if you want to just pay your taxes and make the Government responsible to help...fine. But that doesn't sound like you... Especially, if lending a hand affords the opportunity to give people the kind of spiritual help a Hindu (or the government) can't.

Sometimes, I wish I was able, physically, to provide the help some people need. I no longer am. But the impulse is there from the Holy Spirit within.
---Donna66 on 8/1/11


again, man asks for proof...God requires witness.

do the words that i type about me prove anything?

as we die in Christ, it is God who provides witness to our lives in secret for which we will account.

it is interesting that the bloggers here who in different ways ask "what have you done for Christ" also boast of tongues and other outward signs.

is an active christian the ones who tell others about who they have given to and how they are able to speak in tongues

or

is it the one who gives his only food to an asking stranger and says nothing?
---aka on 8/2/11


I agree with Darlene1.

That as active one should get.

I sure hope Mima you not talking about worldy, carnal facades of Christianity.

Like cleaning parks, fixing houses etc, mowing a disable persons lawn etc etc etc.

Because those active are NOT Christianity.

Note that G-dless liberals do the same, as well as Hindus, Sieks and Government etc etc.

These are primary activeties for Spiritless apostates.

It can be(RARELY)a by-product of true Christians. but NEVER the product.

---John on 8/1/11


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For me it is reading Gods word to start my day, then throughout the day if i'm online I reach out to others via paltalk or boards like this and share the goodnews, OR if I am out and about I share with others.
---candice on 8/1/11


I think we probably all have a different opinion of what an active Christian is. I believe one is an active Christian who keeps a close relationship to God. That comes through daily prayer,all day off and on as able,daily Bible study-reading,daily praising God in the same manner as and time as we do prayer,since the Bible says pray without ceasing and praise continuely. Being active isn't what we do for God it is what we are for God. Instannt in season,living a life which is a visible reflection of the life expressed in Christ. Living a life of love for God and man being ready to show that love in all we do. God's love extended by how we make our lives a testimony to his love,power,and way.
---Darlene_1 on 8/1/11


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