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Violent Take It By Force

Mt 11:12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. I've heard this commentated on several different ways, what do you understand it to mean?

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The context of Matt. 11:12: From the time John the Baptist began his preaching ministry, John evoked a strong reaction in his words. Having been imprisoned already, John ultimately fell victim to Herod's savagery. But the kingdom can never be subdued or opposed by human violience. Notice where Mattew says, "the violent take it by force" Luke has, "everyone is pressing into it" (Luke 16:16). So the sense of this verse can be rendered, "The kingdom presses ahead relentlessly, and only the relentless press their way into it" Thus again Christ is magnifying the difficulty of entering the Kingdom (7:13,14). And says, "he who has ears to hear, let him hear" Only His sheep hear His voice.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/11


The kingdom of heaven means God's righteousness, the good. The violent rob and kill and destroy the good, and they take the good by force. Good Christians suffer at the hands of violent nonChristians, for all who live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. But God our Almighty Father himself will deliver us, and condemn every enemy. lit.Gk: "From the time of John Baptist up to now, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent ravage it." Matthew 11:12. Please continue reading Matthew 11:18,19.
---Eloy on 8/7/11


Kathr exactely that what you quoted is the scriptures, we advance victorious, yet donot give up or let in yes we push through in Jesus name
---andy3996 on 8/7/11


We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God. Paul wrote, "I press on in order that I may lay hold of (seize) that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. ... One thing I do , forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus" Philp. 3:12-14. Paul sought to seize (lay hold of) the prize, just as the men of purpose in Matthew 11:12 were seizing laying hold of the kingdom of God.

Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

---kathr4453 on 8/7/11


Zech 10:4-6. Hosea 1:7
romans 8:26, 1 Thess 5:17,
OUR DUTY TO PRAY
James 5:13-17
OUR VICTORIOUS POSITION
1 Cor 15:57, 1John 5:4.
OUR VICTORIOUS WAR
1 tim 6:12,
2 tim 4:7 (we fight to maintain our faith)
our position is that of a conquering advancing army. what would have happened if the americans only invaded oklahoma beach on D-day? at the end the nazi's would have pushed them back. instead the americans jept advancing and "battled from a voctorious possition. much easier at the end however it does give some difficulties for the moments.
---andy3996 on 8/6/11




Andy

You are absolutely correct we are victors through Christ who won the victory.

But i fail to make the connection with this particular mystery.

Glad you see it, Paul
---paul on 8/5/11


PAUL, Jesus said it is finished and gave up the ghost
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
the LORD WAS VICTOR EVEN AT THAT POINT.and he gave us this victory. now we need to take this victory we have in Christ. Romans 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
1 john 5:4-5
---andy3996 on 8/5/11


JESUS SAID IT IS FINNISHED
---andy3996 on 8/4/11

But Jesus is speaking about a particular time frame, He said until now which was while John the Baptist was still alive and Christ was just beginning His ministry?

Paul
---paul on 8/4/11


Jesus did use violence to seize the keys from the devil's hand,thus destroying the power of sin and death, but using violence to take his position in heaven? why would he do that HE RETURND VICTOR in heaven. (Eph 4:8, Psalm 68:18. A VICTOR THAT LED CAPTIVES ENTERED TRIUMPHANT not violent.celebrating, no longer struggling.

JESUS SAID IT IS FINNISHED
---andy3996 on 8/4/11


Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, the King of Heaven, suffered violence at the hands of sinful men, which opened the way so that He Himself could seize the Kingdom of Heaven by force at His Crucifixion and Resurrection.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/11

Never heard it that way before, Interesting.

Paul
---paul on 8/3/1

probably won't in protestant circles.

our war is to be offensive and we are to bind by search and seizure. we are not to be in perpetual defensive mode as we are indoctrinated by modern denominational thought.

we are not to hold on, but to take back.
---aka on 8/3/11




Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, the King of Heaven, suffered violence at the hands of sinful men, which opened the way so that He Himself could seize the Kingdom of Heaven by force at His Crucifixion and Resurrection.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/11

Never heard it that way before, Interesting.

Paul
---paul on 8/3/11


I've always understood this passage to mean that John the forerunner or professor of Christ has introduced a new dynamic of salvation.

And the Jewish people through great opposition or force from the religious zealots who were loosing control of their subjects.

Were willing to suffer the forceful opposition to lay hold on this salvation John was speaking of.

For John was the agent or representative of the Kingdom of Heaven which was suffering the violence.

And the Jewish people who were receiving the invitation or call to repentance were doing so with a forceful and tenacious spirit.

That's my take on it.

Paul
---paul on 8/2/11


1) fast momentum toward God through John's preaching
2) violent overthrow of Satan
3) Entering God's kingdom takes courage, unwaivering faith, endurance to growing opposition. This is from life application study Bible
I like 1) the best due to verse 13 "all the prophets and the law looked forward to this present time."
---Scott1 on 8/2/11


Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, the King of Heaven, suffered violence at the hands of sinful men, which opened the way so that He Himself could seize the Kingdom of Heaven by force at His Crucifixion and Resurrection.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/11


"violent" are the movers and shakers. our war is to be offensive and we are to bind by search and seizure. we are not to be in perpetual defensive mode as we are indoctrinated by modern denominational thought.

we are not to hold on, but to take back.
---aka on 8/2/11


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