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Mark 10:17-18, what does it mean?

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MarkV, it is YOU who argue with me. is it those two reasons you suggested, one, that you are not saved, or 2 You resent MY ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY and Knowledge of truth in the Scriptures, as though I were God. #2 I am being sarcastic of coarse, as I hope you were, and you didn't literally mean you have all authority on any knowledge of scripture. Seeing this DOGMA came from systematic Theology along with the TULIP, you know where I stand on all of that, including what you insist exists in scripture as THE covenant of Grace, also NEVER mentioned, but fabricated like all of the above.

Systematic Theology is a THEORY based on man cherry picking this and that to make up what he wants to believe.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/11


MarkV, I do not deny that Jesus Christ/ SAVIOR MESSIAH is come in the flesh.

I also do not deny that Tomothy states GOD was made flesh. I also believe His begottenness was that of being conceived of the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb, and that no Fully God Fully Man just jumped out of mary's womb who preexisted as Fully God Fully man with an already pre-existing name as Jesus Christ.

I believe scripture tells us we must believe Jesus Christ IS LORD to the Glory of the Father. No where is every knee going to bow and be made to Say...Jesus Christ is Eternal Son.

And Romans 10:9-10 say nothing about believing an eternal begotten son pre-existed being the only way one can be saved.

You EMBELISH whehere God never did.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/11


One theory regarding Christ that captured that evolving apostasy eventually manifested as Catholicism in its various formsas the eternal son theory. Later, a majority within the Protestant movement likewise embraced the idea. It is the notion that Jesus, in eternity past, always was the Son of God,was eternally begotten or generated by the Father from the beginning.

There are numerous biblical passages that affirm the eternality of Christ Isaiah 9:6, Micah 5:2, John 1:1, 8:58, 17:5, Old Testament passages that speak of Jehovah a designation suggesting one who is absolutely self-existent one having no beginning or dependence upon another (Exodus 3:14) are applied to Christ (see: Isaiah 40:3/Matthew 3:3, Isaiah
---kathr4453 on 9/2/11


Kathr, there is two possible reasons why you argue with me all the time. One, because you didn't like my correction at some point, and since then you try to find fault in what I say.
The other is, because you are not saved and your purpose is to overthrow the Sonship of Christ.
I'm hoping it is the first one. It's ok if a person does not understand the Trinity, not many do, but it is another to teach against the Eternal Son of God. Here is why,
"These antichrist "went out from us" 1 John 2:19.
"Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is antichrist" 1 John 2:22.
"The spirit of the antichrist denies Jesus Christ has come in the flesh" 1 John 4:3.
---Mark_V. on 9/2/11


--I never said that, for the only Begotten Son of God did not die.

For the Father has always been the Father He did not become the Father at Jesus birth.--MarkV

What in the world....

Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.


Are we gonna stick to scripture or are we gonna bend scripture to fit what the man on the pulpit has taught us?
---CraigA on 9/2/11




"He that believes on Him is not condemned, but he that does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God"

Yes MarkV, that is exactly what scripture says.

I believe in the Only BEGOTTEN SON. And He who has the Son HAS the Father.

The WORD was in the Beginning, the WORD was with God and the WORD was God, and the WORD was made Flesh, who's nmae was given Jesus meaning savior. And Jesus now is seated at e Right hand of the Father in a glorified Body. And Jesus is coming back again and Rev says His NAME is called THE WORD OF GOD!

I still don't see your problem. I believe EXACTLY as Scripture states.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/11


Kathr 2: Again you made a remark that the only begotten Son died which is false when you said,
" But NO WHERE does it say in scripture you must believe there was an eternal Son who became the Begotten son who died for our sin, and rose again for our justification and is the eternal GOD."

I never said that, for the only Begotten Son of God did not die. He has been the Son from everlasting. He did not become the Son at any time. That is a heretical statement. For the Father has always been the Father He did not become the Father at Jesus birth. What you suggest is that both became what they are in time. More false teachings.
---Mark_V. on 9/1/11


Kathr, Of course it is a lie to you, because you do not believe He is the eternal Son of the Living God. All others who are heretics are on your side, they don't believe either. Flesh and blood cannot reveal this to you, only the Father in heaven. Now in your case, you speak against the Deity of Christ, in every answer. The Holy Spirit testifies of Christ the eternal Son of God.
"He that believes on Him is not condemned, but he that does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God" And so He says
"We know that He has come" how do we know? "He has given us an understanding that we may know Him that is true"
---Mark_V. on 9/1/11


Denying the eternal Sonship of Christ, will not allow you to enter heaven.markv//

MarkV, again that is a lie. If we deny the WORD WHO IS GOD was made flesh AS 1ST John said, or deny that Jesus was the Only begotten of the Father, then yes, you have a problem. But NO WHERE does it say in scripture you must believe there was an eternal Son who became the Begotten son who died for our sin, and rose again for our justification and is the eternal GOD.

I Timothy 3:16 which reads, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Is Paul going to hell too?
---kathr4453 on 9/1/11


Willa, you do your best to discredit Christ as the Son of God, even if you twist His humanity, you will fail like those in history. Denying the eternal Sonship of Christ, will not allow you to enter heaven. You must believe.
Jesus in His human nature could be tempted, but He had no sin nature, He could not be tempted to sin in His Divne nature because God cannot be tempted. It is like as if Jesus was a battleship, and satan a small vessel attacking the battleship. It doesn't stop the small vessel from attacking the battleship, but it fails every time. If Jesus (battleship) had a weakness (sin nature) the vessel could be successful, but He has no weakness (sin nature). There is no essential relation between temptability and peccability.
---Mark_V. on 8/26/11




'I've never quoted anything he's(Warwick) posted....it rarely ever has an indepth,clearly supported scriptural witness.'-Trav on 8/16/11
"'I am a man of good standing within the Christian community but they would not have me. This ably demonstrates the WTS and its slaves are not part of the Christian community.'-Warwick on 8/9/11"-Trav on 8/10/11
---micha9344 on 8/17/11

See what you are saying. Misapplied your usage of "quote". It would/could called quoting I in the sense you imply.
My thought on your post was that I used hispuffedupness thoughts or words in my own statements. Horrified. Ha.
Self professed High priest are a pet peeve of mine. There is only one High Priest....e ain't it.
---Trav on 8/23/11


'I've never quoted anything he's(Warwick) posted....it rarely ever has an indepth,clearly supported scriptural witness.'-Trav on 8/16/11
"'I am a man of good standing within the Christian community but they would not have me. This ably demonstrates the WTS and its slaves are not part of the Christian community.'-Warwick on 8/9/11"-Trav on 8/10/11
---micha9344 on 8/17/11

Your point?
---Trav on 8/21/11


'I've never quoted anything he's(Warwick) posted....it rarely ever has an indepth,clearly supported scriptural witness.'-Trav on 8/16/11
"'I am a man of good standing within the Christian community but they would not have me. This ably demonstrates the WTS and its slaves are not part of the Christian community.'-Warwick on 8/9/11"-Trav on 8/10/11
---micha9344 on 8/17/11


Willa, again you said,

God crowned Jesus who is our brother. Read objectively, Orthodox(not denom.) doctrine has many flaws."

He is not my brother Willa so when you say something, include yourself only. Do not include others when you say, "Our" for He is my Lord and My Savior, He is not my brother. My brothers are sinful, their bodies have not been redeemed. Jesus Christ is without sin because He is God the Son. His sinless works saved all who are born of the Spirit. Your refusal to admit He is God the Son, has to be revealed to you by the Father, for flesh and blood cannot do that.
---Mark_V. on 8/17/11


Trav,
That's rather an odd thing to say, after all nearly all your posts are addressed TO Warwick and you even quote extensively from him.
---marc on 8/15/11

Are you the infatuated defender?
You're coming in a little late in the game. Less than 10% of my post are to puffed up preachers. They eventually quit answering because answering me requires using two or more prophets for witnesses. Modern doctrines do not like or cannot use prophets. They expose doctrinal flaws. Washing the sand away.
I've never quoted anything he's posted....it rarely ever has an indepth,clearly supported scriptural witness.
---Trav on 8/16/11


"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with Him. Without Him nothing was made that was made". There is not allot of room for interpretation in that scripture found in John 1. Humans have a hard time wrapping their minds around the fact that Jesus is equal with God and is in fact God who came in the flesh. We are just too limited to get it. Truth is however that all scripture point to God as Father God, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. We can argue all day long but it doesn't change the truth.
---jody on 8/15/11


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Trav,

That's rather an odd thing to say, after all nearly all your posts are addressed TO Warwick and you even quote extensively from him.

Reminds me of that old song: Can't live without him!
---marc on 8/15/11


...What is man, that you are mindful of him,or the son of man, that you care for him?,You made him for a little while lower than the angels, you have crowned him with glory and honor, putting everything in subjection under his feet. Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

God crowned Jesus who is our brother. Read objectively, Orthodox(not denom.) doctrine has many flaws.
---willa5568 on 8/12/11


Trav,
Warwick isn't interested.
---Marc on 8/10/11

Ha, it's almost never him being posted too. It's all about "Sheep". Who will look past what he avoids in scripture.
Our Lord spoke even to those who could not see or hear or ever would. The very fact some could and some couldn't see was stated in both Testaments. It is a testament in itself.
---Trav on 8/12/11


Trav,

Your situation reminds me of a man who rings a girl 40 times to get a date but she never returns the calls. Don't you get it: Warwick isn't interested.
---Marc on 8/10/11


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I am a man of good standing within the Christian community but they would not have me. This ably demonstrates the WTS and its slaves are not part of the Christian community.
---Warwick on 8/9/11

The fact they would not have you demonstrates they are hopeless?
Ha. You are a legend only in your own mind.

I'd listen to you about 5 minutes myself and walk out for your lack of scriptural witnesses. You love eating the simple Sheep. It satisfy's your apetite about yourself.
Ezekiel 34:19
And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet, and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
---Trav on 8/10/11


Willa, Hebrews chapter one-God says Jesus is God.


Read chapter two. See vs 14-18 "Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death that is, the devil and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abrahams descendants. For this reason he had to be made like them,fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted."
---Warwick on 8/8/11


Part 2

Scott,

Jesus has God,s very form(Philippians 2:6) i.e. his essential nature's same as God's essential nature. Surely one of God's essential attributes is goodness so Jesus is good by his very nature. If Jesus isn't good, he can't have God's essential nature. But Jesus is good, therefore he is God. Are you saying Jesus isn't good? If 'good' can't be applied to another except God, why does Luke thereby contradict Jesus?

Barnabas doesn't have God's essential nature, so any goodness in him isn't an essential attribute but accidental. Hence his being good comes from the presence of God's Spirit in him, just as Acts 11:24 says.

Hence, Thomas' declaration of Jesus being ''THE GOD of me'' [Ho theou mou] (John 20:28)
---Marc on 8/8/11


"18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother."

A list of "to do's" is prefaced by a question (18) which brings to mind whether or not one recognizes God for who He is. This is fundamental to the rest, which obviously none are able to accomplish in and of themselves. The recognition must be followed by faith, trust and dependence upon God for our salvation.
"27And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible."
---chria9396 on 8/8/11


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//This does not mean He was tempted to sin//

warwick,

the is why I posted my blog. He was tempted to sin. And from what I understand in scripture God does not change nor can he be tempted. Yet it seems this God who is not a man that He should lie said "I think I will become a man and be tempted allowing myself to be ignorant of when I am tempted though before I become man I already know I will be tempted". No matter if he was man or not, he still knew he was God, which according to the trinity doctrine Jesus often said.
---willa5568 on 8/8/11


Willa, Jesus is man therefore subject to the same temptations as man, however He did not sin. He was made man for many reasons, this one being He could show it is possible for man to resist sin.

It isn't sin to be tempted only if you give in to temptation.

As I see it Jesus when facing His crucifixion was, as is understandable, troubled. I am sure He could have walked away, and was tempted to do so, but He didn't. Where is the sin in this?
---Warwick on 8/7/11


Part 1

Scott,

You have this odd ability to evade any direct answer .

Jesus said only God is good. On a JW theology Barnabas can't really be good because that would mean, according to Jesus' own words, he would be God. Obviously Barnabas isn't God therefore he can't be good. You explain that? On a JW theology it isn't possible.
---Marc on 8/7/11


Marc, The apostle Paul was lying?

"No one is Good (agathos) Except God." (1)

If this statement identifies Christ as the Almighty then he's got company.

"He [Barnabas] was a good [agathos] man, full of the Holy Spirit and faith..." Acts 11:24 NIV

Is Barnabas God because only God is good?

Paul also says to his brothers: "ye also are full of goodness (agathosyne), filled with all knowledge...." Rom. 15:14.

If no one but God is good and Paul's brothers are good then, obviously, these men are also God.
---scott on 8/7/11


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"No one is Good (agathos) Except God." Marc (Again)

I must have missed your response.

"Only God is HOLY [hosios]" Rev. 15:4.

But those in the body of Christ must be "holy" [hosios]. Titus 1:8 (also see 1 Peter 2:9, Heb. 3:1).

Clearer still are Peter's words to his fellow Christians:

"You must be holy because I am Holy." 1 Pet. 1:16, TEV, 3rd ed., 1971, also Living Bible.

If only God is Holy and Christ's brothers must be holy were they also therefore God?

Even if they could never attain the same 'holiness' as God, was Paul encouraging them to work toward becoming gods since only God is holy?
---scott on 8/7/11


warwick,

what was he tempted to do? You cannot be tempted if there is nothing to be tempted to do. And if he was tempted by the devil to disobey(sin), how could he not sin? You are making temptation a mystery that we do not understand. We are tempted to sin and Christ was tempted in every way as we are yet was not tempted to sin? How do you come to this conclusion? It is not biblical nor does it conform to the definition of the word.
---willa5568 on 8/7/11


Yet again Scott you evade the question.

If Barnabas is good, then Jesus is mistaken because he has said only God is good.

So is Jesus mistaken or is he correct about only God being good? That's the question you have to answer.

You may also wish to answer whether or not 1. The Watchtower is God's only mouthpiece on earth today, and 2. Salvation can only be found in the Watchtower?
---Marc on 8/6/11


Paul and Willa, when Christ came into the world He said "...a body you prepared for me." In Hebrews 2 we see Christ, flesh and blood "made like his brothers in every way", tempted in His flesh yet without sin. If He was not also man, not temptable He would be unable "to help those who are being tempted."

In His flesh Christ "in very nature God" (Philippians 2:6) was made for a time "a little lower than the angels" (Hebrews 2:9). In this state He understands the temptations which are "common to every man" 1 Corinthians 10:13.

Jesus "has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin" Hebrews 4:15. This does not mean He was tempted to sin.
---Warwick on 8/6/11


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Scott, you said,
Really? Was Jesus playing the 'opposite game' like some child?" No, it is not a game. Jesus spoke to them in way's so they could see who they really were. "Who do you say He is Scott?" that will determine if you believe if He is God, for He is good. But you answer like that person, you do not see that He is good, and He is God. And the reason why, is because flesh and blood cannot reveal this to you, only the Father in Heaven can.
---Mark_V. on 8/6/11


Warwick
I never said satan met with any level of success, but that Jesus was tempted when in James 1:13 scriptures teach that God himself can not be tempted with evil.

Heb 4:15 states this, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

Yet without sin indicates He passed the test but was still tempted thus retaining the ability to sin which God can not.

I find it ironic that you chose the passages in Jesus temptation that explicitly vouch for Jesus being the Son of God.

I believe Jesus has Godship in Heaven but decided to lay it down to come here and overcome sin in the flesh.

Wouldn't be a big deal to do as God, but as man it shows us we can overcome temptation in the flesh as well.

---paul on 8/6/11


"The question that needs to be answered is 'Why was Barnabas called good?" Marc

But you have already answered the question. Using your logic there is only one possible conclusion....Barnabas is God.
---scott on 8/6/11


warwick,

For we do not have a high priest incapable of sympathizing with our weaknesses, but one who has been tempted in every way just as we are, yet without sin(Hebrews 4:15)

tempt: to try, make trial of, test: for the purpose of ascertaining his quantity, or what he thinks, or how he will behave himself (to try or test one's faith, virtue, character, by enticement to sin)

Do you have a different definition of tempt? If he is tempted as we are, though we often are drawn away and sin(James 1:13-15) which Jesus did not do, then you change the definition of tempt. Please show where scripture says he was not tempted.
---willa5568 on 8/6/11


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Paul, satan tried to tempt Jesus, but Jesus was not tempted.

Luke 4:9 satan says "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down from here."

vs.12 Jesus replies "It (Scripture) says: "Do not put the Lord your God to the test."

vs. 13 "When the devil had finished all this (unsuccessful) tempting, he left him..."

Satan attempted to tempt Jesus but failed miserably, and scarpered away.

Case closed.
---Warwick on 8/6/11


Scott,

If Barnabas is good then Jesus is mistaken because he has said ONLY God is good. Since Barnabas isn't God, Scripture on your account has contradicted itself.

The question that needs to be answered is 'Why was Barnabas called good?'
---Marc on 8/5/11


"By this query Jesus did not deny His deity, on the contrary He affirmed it." Mark_V

Really? Was Jesus playing the 'opposite game' like some child? If he said only God is good he clearly distinguishes and separates himself from that "only" one.

There is nothing in the account to suggest that Jesus was implying the opposite of what he actually said. And there clearly is no indication that the man listening came to some conclusion contrary to Jesus clear declaration.

Your statement is pure trinitarian eisegesis.
---scott on 8/5/11


"No one is Good (agathos) Except God." (1)

If this statement identifies Christ as the Almighty then he's got company.

"He [Barnabas] was a good [agathos] man, full of the Holy Spirit and faith..." Acts 11:24 NIV

Is Barnabas God because only God is good?

Paul also says to his brothers: "ye also are full of goodness (agathosyne), filled with all knowledge...." Rom. 15:14.

If no one but God is good and Paul's brothers are good then, obviously, these men are also God.
---scott on 8/5/11


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Heb 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds,
3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Warwick

This is the perfect description of Jesus being the Son of God.

I'll ask you,
If God is light with no darkness and who cant tempt or be tempted of evil.

How could Jesus who had an occasion to sin and was tempted with evil, be God?
Just don't add up, you like most will probably give a doctrineal dissertational supposition,but it don't add up.

---paul on 8/5/11


"No one is Good (agathos) Except God." (2)

Similarly, "Only God is HOLY [hosios]" Rev. 15:4.

But those in the body of Christ must be "holy" [hosios]. Titus 1:8 (also see 1 Peter 2:9, Heb. 3:1).

Clearer still are Peter's words to his fellow Christians:

"You must be holy because I am Holy." 1 Pet. 1:16, TEV, 3rd ed., 1971, also Living Bible.

If only God is Holy and Christ's brothers must be holy were they also therefore God?

Even if they could never attain the same 'holiness' as God, was Paul encouraging them to work toward becoming gods since only God is holy?
---scott on 8/5/11


Paul,Jesus is the Son of Man meaning as to His flesh He is man. He is also the Son of God. As the term Son of Man means He is man the term Son of God means He is God.

In Hebrews 1 God calls Jesus God surely that is enough for anyone?
---Warwick on 8/5/11


Mark V,

I would absolutely agree.

I see no JW wants to tackle this head on as it would entail them either denying Christ being good, which is obviously nonsense, or affirming that he is good, and logically must be God.
---Marc on 8/5/11


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Warwick
I understand what you are saying bit i tend to believe scriptures that teach that Jesus is the Son of God not God Himself.

Where does Jesus determine Himself to be God?

Paul
---paul on 8/5/11


Marc, the man is mentioned in ( Mark 10:17,18) as a rich young ruler (v.22) and is the same as the story in ( Matt. 19:20 ) and called Jesus a good Teacher, Jesus answered him right back, (why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God ) it was a question to make him aware of what he was saying. Jesus challenged the ruler to think through the implications of ascibing to Him the title "good" Since only God is intrinsically good, and if he was prepared to acknowledge Jesus "deity," By this query Jesus did not deny His deity, on the contrary He affirmed it.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/11


Paul, if you take this Scripture in isolation it could mean a number of things. However we don't do this but take each Scripture within the whole context. In that light it is very reasonable to see Jesus was asking the man to consider the fact that by calling Jesus good he was in fact calling Him God, as only God is good. This fits with the many Scriptures (e.g. Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, John 1:1,20:28 and Hebrews 1:8) which show He is indeed God.
---Warwick on 8/5/11


Jesus was a man(Flesh), and man is not good.
If a man is made good, the man is not the one who is good, it is God who is good, that lives in that man.
Jesus was Good because he was born of the Spirit of God.(1John 3:9-10)

"Make a tree Good, and the fruit will be Good."
---David on 8/5/11


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Gordon

Would it be at all possible that The Christ, The Son of God, The One sent by God was determining that their was none good but the FATHER which sent Him.

And that any goodness The son had was because of the Father whose works and will he had came to perform.

Because without all men's interpretations of telling Jesus what He said that's exactly what He is saying.

Everything else here is men trying to make this passage say what would best suit their doctrine.

Simply listen to what Christ Himself is saying here.

Paul
---paul on 8/4/11


Jesus was affirming his own Godhead, and also telling the man that he must give himself to God. The eager man said to Jesus, lit.Gk: "Good Master, which good should I do, that I may have eternal life? Thereupon he said to him, How me you call good? Not of good if not throughout, he God. I am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd gives his life for the sheep." Mt.19:16,17+ Jn.10:11.
---Eloy on 8/4/11


Cliff said, ''Jesus was not denying His own goodness''

I know he wasn't because to do so would be a lie. Therefore by Christ's own words he is declaring that he's GOD.

This is called deduction and forms a syllogism. For example, All men die, Cliff is a man, therefore Cliff will die.

Similarly, only God is good, Jesus is good, therefore Jesus is God.

BTW, footnotes are not scripture but opinions of men.
---Marc on 8/3/11


Jesus was affirming his own Godhead, and also telling the man that he must give himself to God. The eager man said to Jesus, lit.Gk: "Good Master, which good should I do, that I may have eternal life? Thereupon he said to him, How me you call good? Not of good if not throughout, he God. I am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd gives his life for the sheep." Mt.19:16,17+ Jn.10:11.
---Eloy on 8/4/11


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Paul, YAHUSHUA's Question was a rhetorical one. Because there were so many who doubted that YAHUSHUA was God, YAHUSHUA was getting the man to reaffirm his own belief about YAHUSHUA being Good, and being God.
---Gordon on 8/4/11


Christ was not denying that he is good. Christ was stating that he is God!
---trey on 8/3/11

Mr 10:18 So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.

You think this is Jesus declaration that He is God?

Paul
---paul on 8/3/11


Christ was not denying that he is good. Christ was stating that he is God!
---trey on 8/3/11


Marc, Mark 10.18 NIV footnote says "Jesus was not denying His own goodness,but was forcing the man to recognize that his only hope was in total reliance on God"
---1st_cliff on 8/3/11


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Read the whole passage!
Only God is good. One God being the Father, Son - Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, Genesis 1:1. The rest of us are sinners, some saved by grace through faith in Jesus. The Lord wanted to show the man that he was self righteous, and in no way righteous before God. Matthew 19:16-30, Mark 10:17-31, Luke 18:18-30, John 5:39-44, Romans chapter 3.
---Glenn on 8/3/11


Thank you, Paul. I also believe Christ to be the Son of God.
---Reba on 8/2/11


Stephen_J._Steve_Osgood
//The man was told to give his wealth away and follow Christ. Can you do that?//

I don't know. I guess since I do follow him, if Christ asked me, I could.
But He hasn't asked this of every person. He HAS asked me to give some of my wealth. I have done this as he requested.
---Donna66 on 8/2/11


Reba

I fully understood your post and did not attempt to maliciously misrepresent your ideology.

And I feel that my edited recap is in tune with the over all premise of your post, Jesus camt be understood in the natural.

You are 100 percent correct.

But I still profess Christ to be the Son of God and not God the Father Himself.

No need for spiritual insight for that one to me.

God Bless You, have a good day
Paul
---paul on 8/2/11


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Paul, the way you edited my post, completely changed it's meaning.:-{{{ That's not even close to what I said. You seem to have taken my comments personally. When I said,"YOU" it was in the generic sense, as in, people in general. & I NEVER said you can't understand Jesus. I said the NATURAL, HUMAN MIND can't understand the things of God. Reread my post. You (meaning, YOU) obviously over looked something the first time reading it.
---Reba on 8/2/11


Your question is a little short, but scripture in question shows that the stranger has heard about Jesus and he fell at Christ's feet in reverence. Before and after that question there is a lot going on.. The man was wealthy, He didn't "know" Christ. Knowing "about" somebody is one thing, but then knowing someone is quite different. To know God and trust Him, and allow Him to guide all of one's life... That is the task for all of us. It is our task in life to repent. Thank God that God's grace is free. God is patient, but His judgement will not wait forever... It's our task to do for the least of these, "To feed His sheep." The man was told to give his wealth away and follow Christ. Can you do that?
---Stephen_J._Steve_Osgood on 8/2/11


When we speak of Yeshua, we are talking about God in the Flesh. He is the expression of the living invisible God. Now we are talking about Jesus who was God but took on the form of man. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels , but he took on him the seed of Abraham. He codemn sin in the flesh. But are flesh is corrupt. He did not have a sin nature, but because Adam sinned this flesh is corrupt. When he says there is One Good, he is talking about the invisble living God. Yeshua left i his throne of glory and set aside his divinity. For we know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that through his poverty might be rich.
---Anthony_Wadlington on 8/2/11


Paul, you can't understand Jesus, I completely accept that, but could never fully explain it.
---Reba on 8/2/11

I understand, Thanks

Paul
---paul on 8/2/11


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OKAY. Great Question! I personally believe that the Lord YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST), in a round-about-sort-of-way, was testifying that the kneeling man recognized YAHUSHUA as either BEING God, or, at least, coming directly from GOD. The man saw that YAHUSHUA was Good, just as he knew that GOD is Good. And that, therefore YAHUSHUA was NOT saying that He was not Good. For He testified many times that He came from GOD, and was sent by His Father, God the Father of Heaven.
---Gordon on 8/2/11


Paul, you can't understand Jesus, God or the Holy Spirit with the natural mind. The Bible tells us that those things are Spiritually discerned. Christ was born in the flesh so that He could experience the temptations of man, yet over come them without sin. Some things about God's uniqueness & wonderfulness will never be completely understood in our human state. That's where faith steps in & we take God at His word & trust Him for who He is. Without faith it's impossible to please Him. We won't fully understand some thing's until we meet Him face to face. Like the 3 in one God head- Jesus, God in flesh- I completely accept that, but could never fully explain it.
---Reba on 8/2/11


Apparently some can't stick with 2 verses and follow Jesus' point.

Let's recap.

1. Jesus says only God's good.

[On the JW belief] Jesus isn't God.

Therefore, Jesus can't be good because only God is good and Jesus isn't God.

2.On the non-JW belief:

Jesus says only God is good.

Jesus is either good or not good.

Jesus is good.

Therefore, Jesus must be God.

3. On the JW belief:

Jesus is either good or not good.

Jesus must be good because he's perfect.

Therefore, Jesus is God because he is good.

But wait, I am a JW so Jesus can't be God.

My theology is a mess. What shall I do? I either live with a massive contradiction or I become a Trinitarian.
---Marc on 8/2/11


He was God in flesh,
---Reba on 8/2/11

Reba

I've asked this here before, If God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 1John 1:5

And God cant tempt or be tempted with evil.James 1:13

Then how can Jesus be God? Jesus is, as scripture teach us that He is, the Son of God.

For he was tempted, obviously with a will to sin, had He desired to do so. Heb 4:15 Mt4:1

Which gives Jesus greater glory having had overcame sin in the flesh, not simply because He was God.

And I realize He spoke of oneness with the Father just as a man with His wife, At one point He asked for oneness for His disciples.

Paul
---paul on 8/2/11


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\\If The Watchtower is correct regarding who God is and who Jesus is, then Jesus can't be good.\\

But you've hit the nail on the head.

The Watchtower is wrong. It's a snare and a racket and has never done anything for mankind.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/11


I like Paul's answer. God/Jesus knows just where to pry to cause tension and thus growth. Pride is a serious and diffcult sin to break. The rich man had gained all of the advantages of being God's servant, but to reach the next level of disciplship he had to have the cost and suffering of picking up your cross daily.
---Scott1 on 8/2/11


V.18, Jesus knew the ones He was talking with didn't believe He was the coming Christ. They thought Him to be a man like they were. So if He agreed with them that He was good, they'd say then we're just as good. But so many times Jesus also taught that He & the Father are one. So basically He was admitting that He was good, He was God in flesh, but they were too spiritually blind to see Him as Christ. He was asking them, How can you call me good when only God is good & you don't believe I'm Christ?
---Reba on 8/2/11


Jesus knew this ruler was caught up in his own self perceived goodness and wanted to abate the notion up front.

Jesus illustrated this by self denial, while not willing to take any glory of goodness He quickly turned the focus on the Father and the fact that God is goodness and the root thereof.

Also illustrating to us that when He walked the earth that He laid down His Godship until He completed His work and resumed His Godship with the Father.

Paul
---paul on 8/1/11


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It means that only God is good. And if only God is good, to me this means I of my own self can not do what is right, or choose what is right, "But God be thanked," we have in Romans 6:17.

And because Jesus says, "No one is good but One, that is, God," this means ones will argue that Jesus did not say, "I am God who is good," and so they argue He was saying God is someone else. But Jesus did use third person to speak of Himself, including when He spoke of "the Son of Man" (same chapter, Mark 10:45). But "God" can properly mean God the Father.
---Bill_willa6989 on 8/1/11


If The Watchtower is correct regarding who God is and who Jesus is, then Jesus can't be good.

So how can Jesus be the perfect sacrifice for us if he isn't good?
---Marc on 8/1/11


It's a rhetorical question.
---John.usa on 8/2/11


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