ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

When Was Jesus Born

When was Jesus born?

Join Our Christian Penpals and Take The Who Is Jesus Bible Quiz
 ---Anthony_Wadlington on 8/2/11
     Helpful Blog Vote (4)

Post a New Blog



Alan, no problem. I understand. The world says, "'i' before 'e', except after 'c', and many other such standards of grammar which there is no use of in heaven. For inspiration is not restricted by such confines, for words were formed long before any worldly rules from man was formed to categorize free prose, and if I choose to begin a sentence with an adjective or verb or noun, or write a sentence without any punctuation for an entire sermon or instruction, whom is that one to sift my very own words that I myself have made and have sent out to effect a purpose? or whom that one is that strains for a gnat and thereby swallows a camel?
---Eloy on 8/9/11


Anthony, I will leave this blog with these final words: Christ's birth is publicly recorded to have been the 2nd hour of night, between 7 and 8 o'clock Mediterranean time, on December 25th, 5 B.C.: And here are some scriptures on the birth of Jesus Christ, Yeshuah Ha Meshiach: Genesis 49:10+ Isaiah 7:14+ 8:10,14+ 9:6,7+ 12:4,5+ 28:16+ 53:2+ 66:7,10+ Jeremiah 23:5,6+ Micah 5:2+ Heggai 2:15,18,19+ Matthew 1:18- 3:17+ Luke 1- 2:39+ John 1:10-14+ Romans 1:3,4+ 13:7+ I Timothy 1:17+ 3:16+ Revelation 12:5.
---Eloy on 8/9/11


alan8566_of_uk:

The problem is not with Eloy using words like "Christianed", "whom" as a subject, etc. We all know what he means, and we all make mistakes. Normally, these are non-issues.

But he insists such usage is correct English, and those who cricitize it are wrong, or such usage is inspired by the Holy Spirit, and anyone who cricizes it is thus arguing with God. This raises it from a matter of trivial error to hurling accusations of blasphemy, which is hardly appropriate.

Furthermore, he uses the same logic to translations of Hebrew and Greek, concocting translations greatly at variance with 2000 years of Christian scholarship, and insists he is right and 2000 years of scholars are wrong.
---StrongAxe on 8/9/11


eloy ... i am sorry that you have taken offense at my post

had you read it fully, you would have seen i8 was suppoirting your right to use the word, as its meaning was obvious to all.
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/9/11


\\Punctuation was not used in biblical Hebrew or Greek.\\

Not only that, but many words, at least in Greek, were abbreviated.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/9/11




\\Indeed in inspiration, the celibate bears a child, the lion lays down with the lamb, flesh walks atop the water, and man resurrects to eternity.\\

In the King James Version, following standard English usage, the lion LIES down with the lamb.

And the Mother of Jesus was not merely celibate, but VIRGINAL. Big difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/9/11


I know, but I am not telling
---francis on 8/9/11


Rhonda:

Language communicates ideas. Vocabulary, spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors are not problems. We are all imperfect. However, these CAN become problems if there are so many errors that it is difficult to understand what a writer is trying to convey.

Or when the writer makes mistakes, and insists that not only is his way right, but everybody else's way is wrong - and justifies this by calling it divine inspiration, thus not bound by rules applying to the rest of us mere mortals.

With such a cavalier attitude towards English grammar, how can one trust any judgments made about interpreting Hebrew and Greek grammar to read different things in the Bible than 2 millenia of biblical scholars have done?
---StrongAxe on 8/9/11


Eloy.

Punctuation was not used in biblical Hebrew or Greek. But I never said it was. So how can you accuse me of falsehood for something I never even said?

Early writing may not have had spaces between words, but speech contained pauses between words.

If you read any of the Old Testament and New Testament, these conform to rules of Hebrew and Greek vocabulary and grammar. If prophets were unbound by such rules, and warned people to never frotz their glorks, nobody would have the faintest clue what they were talking about. This is why books of the Bible were always written according to the languages readily understood by their intended readers, without "making stuff up" as they go along.
---StrongAxe on 8/9/11


poor spelling or sloppy English grammar it really does not matter ...laughable the intellectual superiority many seek in a simple blog with 125 word post limit - seeking their literary award I suppose

one can speculate all they want about WHEN Christ was born and even foolishly pick a date

FACT REMAINS Holy Scripture does not have a date

either way there is NO BIRTH RECORD FOR CHRIST ...Christ existed PRIOR to His physical existence and He is LIVING today at the right hand of The Father in Heaven His ...one simply REJECTS Christ by honoring His birth when He clearly told His TRUE followers to HONOR His death at Passover
---Rhonda on 8/9/11




strongax, you continue to post falsehood. The first writers from Henoch had zero rules of writing, and there was zero punctuation created at that time in existence when he wrote exactly what the Lord dictated to him. The words Christ spoke to them were one continuous stream, and the scribes spaced the letters and words at a certain distance and no word touched another. But punctuation was not added to the scripture until millenniums later by the Massoretes.
---Eloy on 8/9/11


Thousands of years after the first scriptures were penned were the letters masoritized or punctuated. An example of the original Greek is found at,
http colon forward-slash forward-slash mb-soft dot com forward-slash believe forward-slash txh forward-slash version7 dot htm
Where one word or verse ended and another started was left to the discretion of the particular scribe who was copying the scripture. Whenever there are added letters or words to the original text, then there may also be an altering of the verse's definition, but the scribe's work of accenting the scripture may also retain the original meaning of the verse, as is the case in Gen.1:2
---Eloy on 8/9/11


Eloy:

Whenever the authors of the Old Testament and New Testament wrote, they wrote in the languages they were familiar with - Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. They obeyed the rules of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek vocabulary and grammar. When God spoke through them, he worked within the rules of those languages as well. Yet you feel that you are not bound by such rules. Does God work through you in ways beyond all the writers of the Bible, and even Jesus himself (since he was also bound by those same rules)? Are you more spiritual than all the writers of the Old and New Testaments, and even God himself?
---StrongAxe on 8/9/11


strongax, as I have corrected you, and others, on this issue before, again inspiration is not limited by clay nor is it "you can't use" but always and at all times it is "can and will use". Do you yet not know that the author of inspiration is the sole proprietor and definer of his or her own masterpiece? and that we are not in any ways bound by any rudimentary rules nor regulations of earthly form, but which inspiration transcends all manner of man's ingenuity and scholastic device? Indeed in inspiration, the celibate bears a child, the lion lays down with the lamb, flesh walks atop the water, and man resurrects to eternity.
---Eloy on 8/8/11


James_L:

There are some words that can be used both as adjectives and verbs. "brown" is one of them. Modern American culture has caused many other adjectives and nouns to slowly become accepted as verbs as well. Examples are "microwave", "Xerox", "Google", "phone", "Skype", etc. However most adjectives and nouns CANNOT be used as verbs, and "Christian" is one such word.

If you look in a dictionary, you will see both adjective and verb definitions for "brown" but no verb definition for "Christian".
---StrongAxe on 8/8/11


Trav, I have no reservations tailoring my inspiration just a tad in order to humor the sinners and those not spiritually discerning, but nonetheless I will not be bound by mundane and rudimentry rules which have zero exitistence in the field of inspiration, nor in the diction of God. strongax's ax is dull and cluny needs a clue, and all others whom try to quench the Spirit or regulate words and the fluidity of God's mind and tongue are vain and foolish: O' man of clay, set aside your changing rules for english, nay the world and don the mind of Christ: let the river flow, and bellow, and be blessed thereby: else you stumble at that stunmbling stone, and His Word become your rock of offense.
---Eloy on 8/8/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Cholesterol


Alan, I have zero care if anyone thinks that I do not need to use the words I use when I preach, because the truth is, I use each word that I use with intent and with definite purpose, and none of my words will return to me futiled, but my word will accomplish that which I please, and it will prosper whereto I sent it.
---Eloy on 8/8/11


Clunny, You might try spelling my God's name right..."Glory to JEsus Christ!" It is Jesus, and not JEsus.
---Eloy on 8/8/11


StrongAxe,

"brown" is an adjective, too.

But if I were to throw someone into a fire, I could say "I browned him"

Sorry, just had to throw that one in lol
---James_L on 8/8/11


Eloy:

strongax, "dog bites man" and "man bites dog" are not the same, but opposites.

Yes, in English, as English grammar uses word position. Hebrew is different, and relies more on endings.

...words with suffixes or prefixes added to them...

How prefixes and suffixes work are functions of grammar. Without it, you can't know what they mean.

"Christian" is a powerful term which relates to Christ, and I commonly use this word...

"Christian" is an adjective: Christian church or He is a Christian. NOT a verb, so you can't say I Christianed him today. Nobody but you use it as a verb.
---StrongAxe on 8/8/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Lasik Surgery


strong axe ... very often i disagree with eloy and his use of non-standard words. personally i don't think he needed to use the word 'Christianed' because there are existing words he coulld have used

BUT it was obvious what the word meant. it was not confusing or unclear.
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/8/11


I am moved to utilize and address with a more definitive and direct dichotomized verbage.
---Eloy on 8/8/11


I've watched all of us make spelling errors. The message gets across. One of funniest non errors was Katr calling Cluny....Coony. I like to have fell out of my chair. Cause he spaz's out on improper pronunciationals like chopper does. (Yeah, that 1 was for him). Ha.
All in good unorthadoxally fun Cooney....easy boy,easy now. Have another sip of wine. Eloy home studies,may correct you someday. The man is steady chipping away.
---Trav on 8/8/11


\\strongax, you post more falsehood when you lie in saying that you are curious as to why I do not rely upon dictionaries nor worldly encyclopedia's.\\

If you think a question can be a lie, that's even further proof that you don't know how to write English properly, eloy.

Glory to JEsus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/11


Trav, A-men. strongax delights in fault-finding where there is none. Basic words, or compound words with suffixes or prefixes added to them is a very common trait for us whom translate the scriptures from their original tongues. "Christian" is a powerful term which relates to Christ, and I commonly use this word to convey a stark contrast between those whom "use religion" with those whom are genuinely regenerated "with Christ". There are so many false gospels, and "look alike" blurred Christianity professed today that I am moved to utilize and address with a more definitive and direct dichotomized verbage.
---Eloy on 8/8/11


Send a Free Jesus Ecard


On a different note:
You told Cluny ...then your nonChristianed words will be turned away from vanity...

This is quite ironic, since nonChristianed is, itself, not even a word.
---StrongAxe on 8/7/11

Does it make you feel big to try to make some feel small on their spelling?
We all know what Eloy meant, including you. So what if it's not authorized by you or webster. Most of the Apostles were probably self educated men. Most sheep were not educated.
Eloy may come up with an unauthorized word that hits the nail on the head. Or would that be hed?
---Trav on 8/8/11


strongax, "dog bites man" and "man bites dog" are not the same, but opposites. Dictionaries are "updated to conform to newly discovered knowledge. One word usually has more than one definition. As far as antinomies, they are common in scripture because God is transcendant, therefore the Shepherd can also be the Lamb, and Omnipresent God can also be the man who walks on top of the water and raises the dead. As for "Christianed", this is equal to one whom is "Converted" and "Discipled" and "Saved" and "Sanctified", by and with and from Christ: either a person is Christianed or else one is nonChristianed, born-again or else still unchanged.
---Eloy on 8/8/11


John,

My thought is that encyclopedias are "pagan" too.

I do not agreee that Christ was born in the winter, but I also don't appeal to encyclopediaas for an accurate protrayal of Christian matters.

That's like lookig to Bart Ehrman for Christian information.
---James_L on 8/8/11


Eloy:

When two "truths" contradict each other, I want to know which is false.

Historical records state facts. So do dictionaries state (what words mean) and grammars state facts (how words combine to make meaningful sentences, like why "dog bites man" means something different than "man bites dog"). These cannot "blatantly contradict" scripture, since scripture describes no grammar rules.

Please show one dictionary that recognizes "Christianed" or "nonChristianed", or one other person who uses them. They would be words if "Christian" was a verb, but as it is an adjective, it cannot be inflected thus. This follows from the basic rules of English grammar.
---StrongAxe on 8/7/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Bullion


\\HERE'S YOUR ANSWER....

(Encyclopedia)

Roman Emperor Constantine Started Established Christmas Celebration with Pagan Festivals of Mediterranean Osirian Sarturnalia and Rites of Persian Mithra Sun Fire God Worship Merged with Christmas Celebration Edict of Toleration 313 A. D. Codified by Roman Reformer Emperor Constantine Started Christmas Celebration as Pagan Winter Solstice Festival Worhsip of Nature not Creator God\\

What encyclopedia, John?

I need to know if your source is trustworthy, and I noticed you didn't exactly give one that could be verified.

Can you, please?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/7/11


strongax, you post more falsehood when you lie in saying that you are curious as to why I do not rely upon dictionaries nor worldly encyclopedia's. And a record of a person's birth date, is not par equal to theories and ideologies proposed in dictionaries and worldly encyclopedia's which blatantly contadict recorded truth in the already proven to be true Holy Scripture from God. Finally, NonChristianed is definitely a word, just as NonConverted, spiritually dead and worldly are also legitimate words. I extend the same suggestion to you as I do to cluny, get saved and begin to live the Christian life.
---Eloy on 8/7/11


Historical records regarding December 25, the date assigned by false-Christians as Jesus' birth day.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia acknowledges: 'The date of Christ's birth is not known. The Gospels indicate neither the day nor the month... the birth of Christ was assigned the date of the winter solstice (December 25 in the Julian calendar, January 6 in the Egyptian), because on this day, as the sun began its return to northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra celebrated the 'dies natalis Solis Invicti' (birthday of the invincible sun) on Dec. 25, 274.'

'The first mention of the celebration of Christmas occurred in A.D.336 in an early Roman calendar.'- The World Book Encyclopedia.
---David8318 on 8/7/11


Eloy:

I am glad that you at least accept that some non-Biblical records (such as historical records) can contain facts one can trust, even though these works are not themselves inspired scriptures.

However, I am curious why you cannot similarly accept that other books that also record facts (such as language dictionaries and grammars) can also contain truthful information.


On a different note:
You told Cluny ...then your nonChristianed words will be turned away from vanity...

This is quite ironic, since nonChristianed is, itself, not even a word.
---StrongAxe on 8/7/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Menopause


Not trying to throw fuel on the fire, but you seem to be a pot calling the kettle black
---James_L on 8/6/11

NOT EXACTLY!

Cluny asked a historical question. I gave the Historical Facts.

So how does that compare to a Biblical question and Cluny seeking non biblical sources and/or non-biblical "opinions".
---John on 8/7/11


Here's what Rabbi Saul(AKA: Paul)saids about observing Christmas/Easter

"But at that time, having no knowledge of God, you were servants to those who by right are no gods: But now that you have come to have knowledge of God, or more truly, God has knowledge of you, how is it that you go back again to the poor and feeble first things, desiring to be servants to them again? You keep days, and months, and fixed times, and years. I am in fear of you, that I may have been working for you to no purpose." Galatians 4:10
---John on 8/7/11


Looking for something, ANYTHING to support your pagan beliefs. Even unbiblical sources.
---John on 8/5/11

-------------------------------------

John, are you ever going to answer my question about what evidence you have that Constantine established the Feast of the Nativity for 25 December?
---Cluny on 8/5/11

--------------------------------

HERE'S YOUR ANSWER....

(Encyclopedia)

---John on 8/5/11

----------------------------------


Not trying to throw fuel on the fire, but you seem to be a pot calling the kettle black
---James_L on 8/6/11


Anthony, In reference to John and others who are like him, the word of God says, "This thereupon know, that in final days the people will be mockers, desecrating speakers, unholy, slanderers, not lovers of good, stubborn, puffed up, pleasure-lovers rather than God-lovers: and of these turn away from. Blessed be you all when that malign you, and will persecute and say all evil word against you, lying falsely, on account of me. Rejoice and raise high, that the bonus plenteous yours in heaven: for so they persecuted the prophets, them before you."
---Eloy on 8/6/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Penpals


Cluny, cease askiing from me any replies until that time that you are prepared to receive the truth. In this way you will spare yourself God's judgment incurred by your foolish dissing and blasphemy. For that what you sow, you will surely reap. Cluny, I strongly suggest that you get saved, then your nonChristianed words will be turned away from vanity and in the stead will become good words of righteousness from Christ.
---Eloy on 8/6/11


Anthony_Wadlington, According to the Scriptures, Christ was born on Christmas day.
---Eloy on 8/6/11

Anthony,.. Eloy is referring to the "Gospel of Eloy" when he speaks of.... "scripture"

You may not have this "Gospel" in your bible.

It was recently found under the Polar Ice Cap.
---John on 8/6/11


strongax, a historical record is just that, a record of an event which has occured in history. And the historical event is neither pagan nor ecclesiatical, just as census records and records of live births and tax records filed with IRS are not pagan nor ecclesiastical, but merely records of facts. I think one reason people reject Christ's birth date is because of all the nonhistorical stories and fictional fairey tales made up by people to substitute the actual event, that is, santy clause and his reindeers in place of Jesus Christ and his disciples. And so people do not discern that Jesus Christ was, is and always will be real like you and me, but that the santy clause is a false entertaining story.
---Eloy on 8/6/11


John, Yes, there were many people who believed and knew that Christ was born on Christmas day before the 4th century A.D. Evenso, shortly after the persecution of the early church the true date of Jesus birth became uncertain, and that is why the bishop of Jerusalem went to Rome to obtain the confirmation from the records. This would be like someone going to City Hall, hundreds of years after my birth, in order to obtain the record of my birth.
---Eloy on 8/6/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Accounting


\\You cannot have God Almighty being born in the flesh and not anyone notice.\\

Except for the simple fact that very few knew at the time that this Babe WAS God Incarnate.

\\and opening their treasures they offered to him gifts of amber, libani, and sweet myrrh?\\

Once more you post untruth, Eloy. The Greek word "chryson" does not mean "amber" but "gold." The word for amber is "elektron".

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/6/11


Holy Word of God does not give a date ...Christ was a JEW and the Jews did not celebrate births ...the gentiles DID observe birthdays during that period and the traditions of men prevail today too seeing birthdays are celebrated by masses which Christ WARNED His TRUE followers to not do

The Word Christ Jesus who always existed was born into flesh to be the messenger of Gods Kingdom to come ...by HIS death believers have faith of a resurrection to eternal life at his RETURN when He will RULE earth from Jerusalem

to celebrate or honor the birth of Christ is done for another Jesus 2Corin 4:11 ...The Messiah never spoke of his birth and Apostles never did for a reason - it is a pagan tradition which GOD HATES
---Rhonda on 8/6/11


Anthony_Wadlington, According to the Scriptures, Christ was born on Christmas day.
---Eloy on 8/6/11


When the Holy Bible does not reveal a date of when Christ was born, as a Christian, we should just believe He was born. Christ came into this world to fulfill His Father's purpose and will, "for he shall save his people from their sins." Not to party and make merry in what the pagans/heathens do.

Creating a day to justify "celebrating his birthday" is like the Jews at the bottom of Mt Sinai building the golden calf while Moses was receiving God's ten commandments.

Going where the Word does not command us to go, is purely disobedience and unbelief in God's Words. And the consequence is simple, "for in the day you eat of it, you shall surely die."
---christan on 8/6/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Fundraisers


Cluny, Of course there were believers before Cyril obtained the proof. You cannot have God Almighty being born in the flesh and not anyone notice. Remember how the three magi travelled 783 miles from Persia and Ur and Arabia following the "bright Daystar" to the lodging in Bethlehem, and how they knelt down and worshipped baby Jesus, and opening their treasures they offered to him gifts of amber, libani, and sweet myrrh?
---Eloy on 8/6/11


John:

Which encyclopedia did you get that from? That quotation wasn't a sentence, had no punctuation, And Every Word Was Capitalized. That doesn't sound like any encyclopedia I have ever seen.


Eloy:

Since you seem to reject all non-Biblical records as unreliable, why should you believe St. Cyril's dating, since it was itself based on pagan Roman records?
---StrongAxe on 8/6/11


John, are you ever going to answer my question about what evidence you have that Constantine established the Feast of the Nativity for 25 December? Or do you lack any evidence,
Now, who is grasping at straws.
---Cluny on 8/5/11

I don't grab at straws!

HERE'S YOUR ANSWER....

(Encyclopedia)

Roman Emperor Constantine Started Established Christmas Celebration with Pagan Festivals of Mediterranean Osirian Sarturnalia and Rites of Persian Mithra Sun Fire God Worship Merged with Christmas Celebration Edict of Toleration 313 A. D. Codified by Roman Reformer Emperor Constantine Started Christmas Celebration as Pagan Winter Solstice Festival Worhsip of Nature not Creator God
---John on 8/5/11


...At exactly the right time, very much like his death, resurrection, and return.
---Glenn on 8/5/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Ecommerce


\\GRABBING AT STRAWS CLUNY?

Looking for something, ANYTHING to support your pagan beliefs. Even unbiblical sources.\\

John, are you ever going to answer my question about what evidence you have that Constantine established the Feast of the Nativity for 25 December?

Or do you lack any evidence, and think that merely repeating something over and over makes it true?

Now, who is grasping at straws.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/11


Eloy, you offer no corrections. You are unable to correct scriptural truth.

Is Ezra wrong to say Jehovah's temple foundation was laid in the 2nd month? Ezr.3:8,10.

Is it wrong to believe Atonement Day was not during 'the Division of Abijah'? (Lu.1:5) John was conceived during 'the Division of Abijah'. Find out for yourself Eloy when Atonement Day was celebrated, you will find it is not during the priestly 'Division of Abijah'. You will then need to correct yourself.

A careful examination of what Zechariah was doing (or not doing) in the temple at the time should tell you he was not the High Priest officiating Atonement day sacrifices.

Eloy is desperate to pollute the scriptures with the pagan Mithra celebration.
---David8318 on 8/5/11


Actually, Eloy, there were people BEFORE the time of St. Cyril who had determined that Jesus was born on 25 December.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/5/11

GRABBING AT STRAWS CLUNY?

Looking for something, ANYTHING to support your pagan beliefs. Even unbiblical sources.

BTW....Christ is STILL risen!
---John on 8/5/11


\\Cluny, If you are not really interested, then you should not ask.\\

Were I not interested, I should not have asked.

\\Cyril, bishop of Jerusalem in the mid 4th century A.D., went to Rome and requested to have the true date of Jesus birth given to him from the original records.\\

And where did you get this tidbit? I'm not doubting you, but I would like to know where you found it.

Actually, Eloy, there were people BEFORE the time of St. Cyril who had determined that Jesus was born on 25 December.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/5/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Jewelry


David, There is no hi-jacking Holy Scripture, as you foolishly mock the historical facts. As I corrected you before, so I correct you again: "David rejects Christmas, and he has tried to draw paganism into Christ's holy birth in order to fabricate an excuse for his rejection. This is a common sin trait of the hard-hearted, that of misapplying falsehood to the holy Scripture. His noncelebrating is his own loss, just as all whom reject participation will have no part of the celebration of Christ."
---Eloy on 8/5/11


Eloy's attempt to hijack scripture into 'Yule-tide' paganism just does not stand up to scrutiny for at least 3 important reasons which genuine Bible scholars will immediately recognise.

1. Atonement Day did not occur during 'the Division of Abijah'- Luke 1:5. Thus, John was not conceived during Ethanim.

2. Zechariah was not the High Priest or deputy.

3. Haggai 2:18 is not a prophecy regarding the laying of Jehovah's temple foundation on the '24th day of the 9th month'. The temple foundation was laid in the '2nd month' as witnesses by Ezra (see Ezr.3:8,10). Haggai was writing 17 years AFTER the foundation was laid.
---David8318 on 8/5/11


Cluny, If you are not really interested, then you should not ask. Nevertheless the civil record reports that Caesar Augustus decreed that all the residence dwelling be chronicled, and Titius carried Jerusalem's chronicle to Rome. Cyril, bishop of Jerusalem in the mid 4th century A.D., went to Rome and requested to have the true date of Jesus birth given to him from the original records. Cyril reported that December 25th was the date given to him from the chronicle. Thus Christmas was celebrated with confirmation by the Latin, Greek, and Hebrew Christians in Jerusalem at that time.
---Eloy on 8/4/11


Christ's birth was the 2nd hour of night, between 7 and 8 o'clock Mediterranean time, on December 25th, 5 B.C.: Zacharias performs the priest's duty of atonement in the 7th month at evening (October 9- Lev.16:29-34+ 23:26-32). Six months later Elizabeth in her 6th month of pregnancy, when Mary conceives (from October, 6 months is March- Lk.1:26,27,36). Count 9 months for Mary's pregnancy: 1 is end of March to beginning of April + 2 is May + up to 9 is December. Now set your heart from this day and upward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth, from the day that the foundation of Yhwh's temple was laid, set your heart: from this day will I bless. And she birthed the son of her, the first-born, and quilt-strapped him. Heg.2:18,19 + Lk.2:7,10,11.
---Eloy on 8/4/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Furniture


\\and also chronicled in the civil records, Christ Jesus was proven to be born in the 2nd hour of night, between 7 and 8 oclock Mediterraean time, on December 25th, 5 B.C.
---Eloy on 8/4/11\\

Where is the civil record that shows this, Eloy?

And when and where did you see it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/11


There is no exact date given. Most conservatives Christian theologians say it could have been anytime between March and September - October at the latest. The reason for this view is because because of what is stated in the Gospel of Luke,

Luke 2:8-9 (NASB77)
8 And in the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night.

The reasoning for this view is sheep were brought in during the winter months, not left in the fields. December 25th was chosen to combat a pagan practice that held it's celebration on December 25th
---wivv on 8/4/11


(but not if it is Christmas or Easter?)
---micha9344 on 8/3/11

Micha9344, your post is totally absurd, illogical, and convuluted!

YOU ARE SAYING THIS...

We should praise the Lord everyday...DAH!!!

HERE'S WHERE YOU DECIEVE...

You're implying that you praise the lord everyday and....OOOPS its Easter or OOOPs its Christmas by accident.

NO! YOU DIDN'T HAPPEN TO STUMBLE ON EASTER AND CHRISTMAS BY HAPPENSTANCE.
THESE ARE YOUR HOLY DAYS YOU OBSERVE BY CHOICE/DESIGN! OBEYING CONSTANTINE!!!

Honestly its because you(Plural) don't want to be seen as a Jew.

If you really love the Lord then WHY do you refuse to Observe Passover?

HMMMM???
(Where's that Pepto Bismal)
---John on 8/4/11


Jesus was born in the fullness of time, when the Father determined it was time. If you are asking about the day of the week, month or year, Who Cares. The important fact is that he was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died for our sins, and rose again to open the way to Heaven for all who submit to His lordship.
---Harold on 8/4/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Laptops


Anthony- John the Baptists conception provides an approximate time of Jesus' birth.

Jesus was conceived 6 months after John's conception- Luke 1:26,27.

John was conceived during Zechariah's temple service duties 'in the Division of Abijah'- Luke 1:5. This was not atonement day as some believe- atonement day does not occur during 'the Division of Abijah'. Neither was Zechariah High Priest- An'nas was.

Thus Jesus was born 15 months after 'the Division of Abijah'. There were 24 priestly 'divisions'- the 'Division of Abijah' was the 8th (1 Chron.24:10). Zechariah would have been serving in the 2nd round of the 8th division, during June/July. Jesus was born September/October.
---David8318 on 8/4/11


Both recorded in the Holy Scriptures, and also chronicled in the civil records, Christ Jesus was proven to be born in the 2nd hour of night, between 7 and 8 oclock Mediterraean time, on December 25th, 5 B.C.
---Eloy on 8/4/11


AND NOW G-D SPEAKS....

Deut12:30

Be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.

You must NOT worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates.

See that you do ALL I command you, do NOT add to it or take away from it!!!

CASE CLOSED!

Think its ok with G-d for you to observe Pagan Holy days Easter/Christmas. But refusing to observe Passover etc. That's Ok???

You think by substituting Jesus somehow makes it right.
---John on 8/4/11


AND NOW G-D SPEAKS....

Deut12:30

Be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same. You must "NOT" worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates.

See that you do all I command you, do NOT add to it or take away from it!!!

CHRISTMAS/EASTER OK???
YOU DECIDE NOT TO "DO ALL HE COMMANDED YOU!" SO YOU FACE HIS JUDGEMENT!!!
---John on 8/3/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Lawyer


Both recorded in the Holy Scriptures, and also chronicled in the civil records, Christ Jesus was proven to be born in the 2nd hour of night, between 7 and 8 oclock Mediterraean time, on December 25th, 5 B.C.
---Eloy on 8/4/11


\\I even gave an open forum to get facts to why you refused G-d but obey Constantine. NOT a SINGLE one could answer.\\

Please give proof that Constantine established the Feast of the Nativity According to the Flesh of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ.

I know you're not okay, but let's see what you come up with, John.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/11


JESUS (YAHUSHUA) was born on the Hebrew Festival of "Sukkot" (also called the Feast of Tabernacles). For the Son of GOD came to earth indwelt in a temporary Tabernacle of Flesh to dwell among mankind. And, this Sukkot occurs sometime in our September (or maybe early October). It sure as the moonlight wasn't "December 25th". Leave that ol'date for Mr. Santy Claws.
---Gordon on 8/4/11


1Ch 16:23 Sing unto the LORD, all the earth, shew forth from day to day his salvation. (except Easter and Christmas?)
Psa 95:6-8 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker. For he [is] our God, and we [are] the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, [and] as [in] the day of temptation in the wilderness:
(except on Christmas and Easter, then you must harden your heart and do not worship?)
Psa 118:24 This [is] the day [which] the LORD hath made, we will rejoice and be glad in it.
(but not if it is Christmas or Easter?)
---micha9344 on 8/3/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Dedicated Hosting


If God sends me to hell for celebrating Christmas, well, so be it. I don't want to spend eternity in heaven with a bunch of people who devoted their self-righteous lives to accusing others of pagan practices.
---John.usa on 8/3/11


PLEEEZZZ-Billwilla That was Nauseating/Lame.
I posted over 100+ posts on Heretics who observe Pagan rituals such as Easter/Christmas. Asked why you obey the pagan Emperor Constantine, yet you refuse to obey G-ds command to observe HIS holy days. (Passover etc.).

I even gave an open forum to get facts to why you refused G-d but obey Constantine. NOT a SINGLE one could answer.
WHY? Because you ALL know you its Blasphemy, but you rather keep your manmade holidays so you can self indulge in Easter Egg hunts, Christmas Trees/Santa Clause.

All the while trying to lamely rationalize your guilt. But G-D WILL NOT BE MOCKED!

So you decide.He will judge!!!

READ DEUT12:31 AND SEE IF G-D AGREES WITH YOUR POST!
---John on 8/3/11


Jesus Christ is not the sun god Baal. No day belongs to Satan and his gods. All days belong to Jesus. Every day, we can celebrate his birth and resurrection (c: But there are people who do not believe Jesus is Lord of all, and so they claim days for Satan's gods, instead of for Jesus. So, I do not think it is Christian to say a day used to celebrate Jesus belongs to a Satan god, since Jesus is not Satan's sun god. God bless you, please do not curse Jesus. Jesus has taken over what was used for Satan. So, do you confess that Jesus is the Lord of all???
---Bill_willa6989 on 8/3/11


Anthony, if you already were sure of the answer, why did you ask the question? That doesn't make much sense. Anyway, if we were supposed to know, it would be recorded somewhere. But it isn't.
---John.usa on 8/3/11


Read These Insightful Articles About Online Marketing


Jesus was actually born on the feast of Tabernacle ( booths tent, or sukkot) It was not Dec 25 which commemorates the birth of the Sun god Baal. The gospel John talk about his birth.And the word or expression was made flesh, and dwelt( or tabernacle among us,) and we beheld his glory and the glory as of the only begotten of the father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14 Those who commemorate Christmas as his birth dont realize, they are commemorate the birth of Sun God baal. The Lord will not have u ignorant.
---Anthony_wadlington on 8/2/11


It was early September. Likely on Sukkot, but some Scholars say Yom Kippur(both within the "10-days of Awe").
---John on 8/2/11


Doesn't matter/isn't important or God would've put it in His Word for us to know. The important thing to know is, He was born, died, & rose again. & all who believe & accept Him can live with Him forever.
---Reba on 8/2/11


Copyright© 1996-2015 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.