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Outbursts Of Worship

Has this ever happened to you? I was sitting watching TV Sunday night. All of a sudden I broke out in Worshipping Father God in the Spirit. Do you think God sends angels out when we do this? Do you think God is orchestrating something in our lives? Any experiences out there that you can share?

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Mark_V.:

Yes, many people get caught up in the details, and forget what those details are there for.

Charismatics and Pentecostals can get caught up in excessive displays of spiritual gifts, resultin in a kind of wild "charismania" that Paul warned the Corinthians about.

Legalists (like the Pharisees) get caught up in the finer points of law and theology so much that they swallow camels and swalow gnats - forgetting why the law was given in the first place (as a guide to help us, not a taskmaster to enslave us).
---StrongAxe on 8/14/11


Strongaxe, I understand what you mean. What I see wrong is that believers many times go to far with a gift or with what is taught concerning one thing or another. They go all the way to the left, or all the way to the right. That is why I told Chria to be careful and not be bias about one thing because then we may miss a new lesson God wants to convey to us. We are always learning. No one knows everything already. Our minds would not be able to cope with all there is to know. We are not infinite. We should take everything is small amounts in order to learn. There is room for all of God's Word. We should always start with God and make Him the center of our faith, and work our way down to man, not the other way around.
---Mark_V. on 8/14/11


Mark_V.:

Many years ago, I remember hearing several songs on a Christian radio station that were satirizing the shallowness that some people make of prayer.

One of them had the line:
Lord give me patience. I want it now!

The other had the lines:
Make me healthy. make me wealthy. Lord won't you bless
My everlasting shopping list.
---StrongAxe on 8/14/11


Stongaxe, what you say is so true. Can you just imagine all believers getting what they want? I could pray for a new Mercedez. The statement by Jesus was made to the disciples. He had just told them He was leaving them. They had depended on His presence for answers. But now they would receive the Comforter who would be with them. To ask Him for anything was not for themselves but for His glory alone (16:26-28). The believers prayer should be for His purposes and kingdom and not selfish reasons.
---Mark_V. on 8/13/11


Donna5535:

It is difficult enough knowing the status of our own relationship with God (i.e. some think they have one, yet Jesus will say "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Matthew 7:20-27)).

It's even harder knowing the status of somebody else's. Some genuinely love God and show maturity and wisdom. But some others seem to love God with a twisted fanatical obsession (like the psychopath Glen Close plays in "Fatal Attraction"). These are just my own personal opinions. I can't presume to know the truth about others.

If God will grant those who love him "whatever they wish", why not they wish for everyone on these blogs to see the light, or better yet, for total world peace?
---StrongAxe on 8/12/11




//Leslie, Cluny obviously doesn't have an "in-love relationship with Father God, Lord Jesus and Holy Spirit like we do and the others on this board do.//

//Cluny, because Leslie is IN LOVE with Lord Jesus, Father God and Holy Spirit, we can ask for "whatever we wish" in His name and He will give it to us. That's in the gospels and in First John.// donna5535

incredible.

you will indeed get what you are asking for.
---aka on 8/11/11


Leslie, Cluny obviously doesn't have an "in-love relationship with Father God, Lord Jesus and Holy Spirit like we do and the others on this board do.

Cluny, because Leslie is IN LOVE with Lord Jesus, Father God and Holy Spirit, we can ask for "whatever we wish" in His name and He will give it to us. That's in the gospels and in First John.

Since the love relationship is two-ways, we also fulfill God's needs as well. He needs people to Worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. He needs people to LOVE unsaved folks and especially unsaved Jewish folks. He needs us to feed the hungry, clothe the poor, etc., and because Leslie is IN LOVE, she can ask the Father whatever she wishes and He will do it for her.
---Donna5535 on 8/11/11


Donna5535: "I broke out in Worshipping Father God in the Spirit."

What does this mean? I can babble incoherently without worshipping God. How do you know that this was not what you were doing? Was anyone edified by the experience?
---jerry6593 on 8/11/11


after God sent His own to pay it all, i guess, i no longer feel a need to be recognized by God. it is a foregone conclusion.

Heb 12:11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

if i get hit by flying butter instead of seeing butterflies, i still know God is thinking of me.
---aka on 8/10/11


Cluny, C'mon you never did silly things when you where young and in love? i do them all the time, with Christ, with my wife and with my kids. it's awesome. try it sometimes it wil rejuvenate you.
---andy3996 on 8/10/11




Cluny:

When one is married, one says "I love you" to one's spouse all the time. This should not be necessary (after all, if one didn't love one's spouse, why would one marry him/her in the first place?) Yet one says so anyway, because such words can be encouraging, especially in difficult times.

It is the same way with God. Even though Christians are effectively married to Jesus, it is nice to once in a while get some kind of evidence of that fact to encourage one, especially when all of life's circumstances seem to indicate otherwise.
---StrongAxe on 8/10/11


Cluny - It is clear you don't really KNOW God, because if you did, you would know that I ask for butterflies as a sign of INTIMACY with my God. I have a PERSONAL INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP with God, and all you have is just RELIGION. I KNOW God loves me and is ALWAYS thinking of me, and I don't NEED anything to tell me this other than His Word. However, I want more than just head knowledge of God, but heart knowledge (intimacy) with God.
---Leslie on 8/10/11


\\ I have prayed that God would send me butterflies every time He is thinking of me. \\

I don't know why you need butterflies to be assured that God is thinking of you.

First off, God does not exist in time.

Next, the very fact we exist means that God is thinking of us. If He ever ceased to do so, we would cease to exist.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/11


//As far as your being scared, your post sounds more like you were boasting.
---Cluny on 8/8/11//

Cluny, the very thing you accused me of is what you are doing to me-judging me.

I FINALLY saw why this happened. Something bad did happen to me, and God, in His infinite mercy, came to my rescue because He knew what was coming down the road yesterday.

There was a shield around me when it was happenting and the fiery darts were bouncing off of me.

Folks, I encourage you as Paul said, "pray at all times in the Spirit." The Spirit of God protects us from the evil one and from Cluny's judgements too.

Thank you MarkV for your apology, I love you too and don't hold unforgiveness towards anyone.
---Donna5535 on 8/10/11


Donna66 and Paul. I too am sorry to hear that you plan to leave. However I believe there will be others that leave also. In fact over the past year I have detected a slowdown on Christianet blogs. Do you believe the same? What is the problem why is the slowdown happening.
---mima on 8/9/11


Donna66 and Paul. I too am sorry to hear that you plan to leave. I hope it is only temporary. I believe you both are a blessing here, I know I've been blessed many times through your posts. Wherever the Lord leads, may He bless you both with all heavenly blessings, draw you ever closer to Him, may He be made manifest more through you, I pray (a favorite) eph 3: 14-21 for you both...wish i could write it out. BLESS YOU!
---chria9396 on 8/9/11


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I once heard it said that Joan of Arch prayed for God to send her white butterflies every time He was thinking of her. It is said that she had white butterflies all around her as she rode into battle. I have prayed that God would send me butterflies every time He is thinking of me. On day I saw a monarch butterfly cross my path, and this caused me to have this outburst of worship.
---Leslie on 8/9/11


Donna66 and Paul. Im sorry to see you both go. Even though we are on the opposite ends of the political spectrum, I have found both of you to be reasonable, sane people on a board that is becoming more and more filled with hate and dissension.

Hope you don't don't stay away.
---NurseRobert on 8/9/11


Donna5535, I apologize to you for my answers if they hurt your feelings and some others. When you posted your blog you left open a lot that brought all this opinions. And as you can see not everyone is a charasmatic. I understood your post one way but when you gave the reason for your blog, I could see that you were not boasting. Some here boast on their abilities compared to others, even suggesting they are praying for you so that you can be saved, as if they knew you were not. Only God knows and sees the heart. The good charasmatics gave you very good advice. Everything Darline and Donna66 said, was very helpful because they understood your blog different then we did that is why we answered the way we did. Do not forget I do love you. Peace
---Mark_V. on 8/9/11


//HOW IS THAT BOUNCING AROUND FROM BOSS TO BOSS?// Donna5535

Perhaps you should read what I said. "we often jump from job to job, position to position, or boss to boss to deliver us from a bad situation only to find more of the same..."

first of all, i said "we" as human beings in common not just you as a separate person. i also did not use an infinitive like "bouncing" to infer a continuous activity. because i am confined to 125 and restricted to blogs, i will rephrase, we often think that a different position, boss, spouse will deliver us from a bad situation only to find more of the same.

you can call me anything you want. you have that freedom.
---aka on 8/9/11


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Rob:

I have not heard anyone saying studying the Bible is BAD - only that the Bible is not the only source of divine revelation.

Consider the time before the New Testament canon was firmly established. There were many manuscripts floating around, some of which were considered by some to be scriptures but not considered scripture by others.

The set of books that we now call the Bible did not suddenly emerge, but rather slowly evolved over time. How did it do so? The decision of which books should be included in the Bible and which should be excluded was necessarily one made based on extra-Biblical information.
---StrongAxe on 8/8/11


\\Cluny deliverance would be highly beneficial to you!
---mima on 8/8/11\\

Are you offering to deliver me a pizza, mima?

Since Orthodox are in a fasting period, it would have to be a cheese and vegetable pizza--no meat.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/11


James 1:1-8 teaches a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

There are some people who with one side of their mouth say we received the Bible from some Orthodox Councel of Men.

Yet with the other side of their mouth, they bad mouth and condemn people who study and follow the Bible, saying these people follow "SOLA SCRIPTURA!"

This especially happens when it is shown how many Orthodox Practices are not found in the Bible, and in some cases go directly against what is written in the Bible.
---Rob on 8/8/11


\\//St. Seraphim of Sarov...Cluny on 8/7/11//

Cluny, who is St. Seraphim? Is he in the bible? Where? You seem to honor Saints ALOT.\\

You can read Wonderful Revelation to the Word on line about this experience. He and his friend were in the Holy Spirit, and they were not speaking in tongues.

As a more immediately available record of being in the Holy Spirit, consider the Transfiguration. What do you think the brilliant light was that night but the Uncreated Light of the Holy Spirit?

As far as your being scared, your post sounds more like you were boasting.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/8/11


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Cluny deliverance would be highly beneficial to you!
---mima on 8/8/11


Donna5535:

Catholics and Orthodox give great weight to their saints, just as Protestants give to their own leaders (Luther, Calvin, Moody, Billy Graham, etc.) There have been notable Christians of many different persuasions down throughout the last 2000 years, even though many modern Christians (mostly of Evangelical persuasions) seem to dismiss most things that happened after the ink dried on the last New Testament manuscript up until the 19th century.


Donna66:

Even though we may often disagree, I think you make useful contributions to the blogs here, and I'll be sorry to see you go.
---StrongAxe on 8/8/11


//St. Seraphim of Sarov...Cluny on 8/7/11//

Cluny, who is St. Seraphim? Is he in the bible? Where? You seem to honor Saints ALOT.

aka, please read my blog below, I said he is verbally abusive and TWICE he tried to fire me. HOW IS THAT BOUNCING AROUND FROM BOSS TO BOSS?

I've only had 4 full time jobs since 1976. I am a very stable person at work.

Donna66, please don't leave. Your wisdom and input is needed here. These men think they know it all (cluny, aka, and some others).

I'm sad to see us devour one another when I asked a simple question because I was scared. Donna66, thank you sister for explaining my heart. I will miss you dearly. Can we keep in touch?
---Donna5535 on 8/8/11


Donna66, I read that you also said you were leaving. I hate to see you go. You have done great in answering. You and I agree in almost everything. And so many do need your help. If some answers bother you personally, do not answer to those if they do. But don't leave. I also hate to see Paul go. But I was so interested in answering him because he is a preacher. And sometimes they can learn things they have not studied or that the Spirit has not revealed to them. If it was useful great, if not, it's ok. I hope you don't leave. I pray for you always and will pray you stay. And see what happens. God knows all things. Just know I love you in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/11


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\\This blog speaks to the manifestation of the Holy Spirit.\\

Does it? Judging by the fruit of this experience in Donna's life with comparing someone with the devil, that is itself questionable.

\\ Donna's a statement,"I broke out in Worshipping Father God in the Spirit," has reference to speaking in tongues of course. \\

Again, does it? Sounds like you're just assuming it does.

St. Seraphim of Sarov had a shared mystical experience of the Holy Spirit that didn't involve speaking in tongues at all.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/7/11


Donna, we are to worship "in the Spirit and in truth". Note that the Word says "the Spirit", capital 'S', indicating the the Holy Spirit is critical to true worship. Our spirit, mind, soul, is involved, or aligned with the HS.
Concerning the Spirit, the Word indicates that we cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going, so the HS can prompt us to worship in any and all circumstances He so chooses. Also, Rom 12:1 points out that our offering ourselves to the Lord as living sacrifices is true worship. So God CAN orchestrate in our lives.
---chria9396 on 8/7/11


aka, i totally agree upon trinity, yet this aspect of God is so deep, that i often feel a complete idiot in expressing this truth. not the truth, but my own limitations in fully comprehending the divinity awes me and astounds me trinity is so complex that indeed no man on this earth could ever come up with such a matter. it simply cannot be a human invention, for however it is so complex it never contradicts itself or the word. i know that anti-trinitarians will disagree yet their lack of comprehendin is another proof.
BLESS ALLOT
---andy3996 on 8/7/11


andy, thank you for clearing that point up. i simply did not understand what you were trying to say from your post. to say that Godliness is complexity that we cannot fully comprehend is true 1Ti 3:16.

for me, Trinity is not an idiots version but a Judeo-Christian explanation of true mystery. there have always been people (e.g. Peter) who fall back on the Judeo despite the Christian. to me, the three do not need to be forced back into one Godliness, and only 1 of the three was a person for about 33 years.
---aka on 8/7/11


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aka "idiots translation of doctrine)< not somebody else" was talking about myself actually.
the simplest manner to express trinity, Gregory of Cesarea frased it followingly "one Holy Ghost, the minister of sanctification, in whom is revealed God the Father, who is over all things and through all things, and God the Son, who is through all things a perfect Trinity, not divided nor differing in glory, eternity, and sovereignty"
but sorry it's not language barriere but complexity that strikes us here.
---andy3996 on 8/6/11


This blog speaks to the manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Donna's a statement,"I broke out in Worshipping Father God in the Spirit," has reference to speaking in tongues of course. Naturally the non-tongues speakers resist this. I once told of a high school girl coming to my house, my witnessing to her, and praying with her but some found that as an excuse to call me a pedophile. The enemy within those who resist really are controlled by non-God guided spirits. As Donna66 has said Satan does not have someone praise God.
---mima on 8/6/11


Donna66, as far as out of control, i do not base it on this one question. and i did not say that she is out of control. there is fruit of the spirits. it just depends on the source. and, as i said, it does not come down to this one question.
---aka on 8/6/11


Andy 3996 -- Sorry about the misunderstanding. The Holy Spirit may speak to us, but our own spirit, and how we respond, is within our control.
1 Corinthians 14:32
"And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets."
Note the lower case "s".

aka-- You still seem to think Donna was somehow "out of control" She was not, if it was the Spirit of God speaking to her because He doesn't make us "do" anything we aren't willing to do. I assumed it was the Spirit of God because Satan does not impel us to give praises to God.
Donna could have kept her mouth shut, but despite some fear, she did not. I think she is to commended for her eagerness to please God.
---Donna66 on 8/6/11


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Paul-- Sorry you are leaving CN. But I understand. In fact, I'm leaving for the same reasons.
I think you and I disagreed about some things, but I can't remember what they were.
(sometimes age-related forgetfulness is a blessing) Hope there were no hard feelings.
Anyway, I consider you a brother in Christ. And I wish you and your wife continued blessings and fruitfulness for Him.
---Donna66 on 8/6/11


Paul, I am sorry to see you go.

We don't always agree, but I believe we both are sincere in sharing our knowlwdge, wisdom, and insight.
---Rob on 8/6/11


There is no reason to tell the other boss if it will hurt him.
---Mark_V. on 8/6/11

Mark
This is very dangerous advice, I recommend explaining that I did not want to be placed in the middle of any kind of withholding's at work between these two individuals who apparently have more authority than Donna at work.

Its not a matter of it hurting the other boss or not, it's a matter of it hurting Donna's career if she is exposed as being deceitful to the boss she already does not get along with.

Most company policy has full disclosure clauses that wont allow you to withhold vital information, shaky ground.



Paul
---paul on 8/6/11


Donna

God bless you in all that you do for Him, i truly do wish you all the best.

I am signing off from Cnet it is consuming way to much of my time and causing me to be someone I have spent years of my life trying to abandon.

God Bless you with wisdom, prosperity and relationship all the days of your life.

Paul
---paul on 8/6/11


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andy,

could you rephrase your post? i could not understand what you are trying to say. take your time this time. it seems that you have a little bit of a language barrier.

however, one phrase was clear...you put yourself above the others as you call others idiots.
---aka on 8/6/11


1 corinthians 14: 32, is quite confusing to many. andhowever i feel that person knows, yet someone asked:
Donna66, if the spirit is equal in the tri-unity and if the Spirit is in our control, then so is God.

1. the Spirit of God is NOT equal to the triunity in your implication. the Spirit is one outa three undivisable yet seperate.(idiots translation of doctrine)< not somebody else.
2. a more clear translation one might find in YLT version, however not in disagreement with the AV, still more clear.
3. a voluntary abiding is done by The Spirit of God because of ORDER.
4. indeed we will be judged upon it 1 Corinthians 14:38-40. CHRISTIANS have no idea...

PS donna66 i do agree that the spirit is NOT controled by us
---andy3996 on 8/6/11


Donna5535, when you said,
"Today out of nowhere I get an email from my other boss (I have two) asking if I can support him FULL-TIME and not to tell the other boss."
I believe you. There is no reason to tell the other boss if it will hurt him. I also believe that God blesses those who love Him and He looks out for you. I believe that genuine believers feelings are very important. I was opposed once by someone that feelings don't matter. But our lives with Christ involves our feelings. We feel we want to do more, and feel the Spirit when we hear songs about Christ, and feel the Spirit moving us to do things we would have never done while lost. We feel in our hearts the love for Christ. So I'm not against that at all.
---Mark_V. on 8/6/11


Donna

Thank you for your encouraging post, this is what we as believers need to do, encourage each other by our experiences.

Their are many realms of God and those who have never experienced these sorts of depths will bash and discourage this type of behavior because people fear what they don't understand.

But true seekers will be encouraged to experience these types of events for themselves.

Keep pressing in and encouraging others to do so with testimonies of Gods goodness towards His children.

God Bless You Sis,
Paul
---paul on 8/5/11


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\\Today out of nowhere I get an email from my other boss (I have two) asking if I can support him FULL-TIME and not to tell the other boss\\

I don't know what you mean by "support" in this conext, but I hope you don't get chewed up in an inter-office power struggle.

After all, Jesus Himself said, "No one can serve two masters"--and I'm not being glib when I quote this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/11


Strongaxe--I've heard many say the same thing. And it's true. But we should also not let this kind of "pushy" (literally and figuratively) zealot, color our view of all charismatic experiences. As I said, and you quoted from scripture, "the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets."

Donna5535- I'm sorry your experience frightened you. When something like this happens to me (which isn't often) I usually feel even more confident in the Lord!
2Ti 1:7 ..GOD hath not given us the spirit of fear but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind..
Your job sounds unusual. Seems like you need both wisdom and trust in God to handle the situation. Two bosses competing(?) with each other. yikes!
---Donna66 on 8/5/11


Thankfull,Donna So,many times used to feel down/caught up sad...I was cleaning one time Suddenly outside our church I heard "beautifull Angelic like Music!"... For Real! outside,NO ONE elsecould hear it! I pray'd & gave thanks!Itook it Like God was lett'n ME know Hewas goin' take through! my prayers ans. also,God inhabits the praises of HIS Children! yes,my GrandDad was preach 'n SHOUT! ALSO,MYSELF GOTSO T.V. impide MY CONCENTRATION!SO,GOT RID OF T.V.! Read My Bible! Smile...I am alot kinder,gentler woman now! also agree with Karen.....Love of jesus!
---ELENA_5883 on 8/5/11


donna5535, what if they are unrelated?

//so maybe that was an answer to my prayers I've been praying for.//

we often jump from job to job, position to position, or boss to boss to deliver us from a bad situation only to find more of the same. vicious circles. the israelites did it for forty years. please update us in a while.

//The spirit, indeed, IS subject to our control!//

Donna66, if the spirit is equal in the tri-unity and if the Spirit is in our control, then so is God.

i would like to know the scripture that you support this with, but please keep it in context.
---aka on 8/5/11


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Today out of nowhere I get an email from my other boss (I have two) asking if I can support him FULL-TIME and not to tell the other boss.
---Donna5535 on 8/5/11


Donna
I wish you the best but if you have two people over you and one is asking something of you that is not in compliance or would be considered out of order with the other boss you may be getting into a big mess.

Why would the boss ask you to be deceitful and keep a secret?

It is never a good idea to have two people in charge, it genders confusion and animosity most of the time.
I wish you well but encourage you to proceed with caution.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 8/5/11


Donna66:

I have no reason to believe Donna5535's experience was not genuine. My comment about false spiritual experiences was in response to aka, and was about one that was blatantly false, as it violated:

1 Corinthians 14:32
"And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets."

I have also seen others. One over-zealous new convert prayed for me, and pushed hard on my forehead, making me lose my balance - to "go down under the Spirit". This was 0% spirit and 100% physics. Not all spiritual experiences are in the flesh, but some are, and we must learn to tell the difference.

Also, some people boast while others just want to spread their joy. We must also learn to distinguish these.
---StrongAxe on 8/5/11


My apologies to all who do not boast in the Spirit. I did not say all charismatics. For not all boast. And not all follow the Word of faith teachers. Not all display powers in front of other Christians.
It seemed to me when I read the blog Donna5535 was boasting of a supernatural experience coming from God. Strongaxe gave a great answer. Just because a person feels, or even believes it is an experience coming from God, it does not mean it's coming from God. We are told that those things happened in the early church which had no New Testament. Today there is no way anyone can confirm to other Christians it's from God.
With her answer we know she was just asking because she was scared. That's why I said we all worship in Spirit and Truth.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/11


okay I think I know WHY this happened to me.

I have been praying and asking Father God to rescue me from my current boss who treats me like I have leopracy.

I told the Lord, "There's no way out of this, I guess I'm stuck with him being verbally abusive to me and twice he tried to get me fired in 2009 when I got out of the hospital.

Today out of nowhere I get an email from my other boss (I have two) asking if I can support him FULL-TIME and not to tell the other boss.

I was so excited, I almost jumped up out of my chair and said, Thank you Jesus out loud in front of my co-workers but I maintained my control and just jumped for joy inside of me...so maybe that was an answer to my prayers I've been praying for.
---Donna5535 on 8/5/11


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Clumy,
"Efficacy in prayer comes from God Himself, not the person praying or the object." While I am in agreement with this statement there is also a condition that must be adhered too. That condition is that you or I or someone must come forth and petition the Lord for what the Lord wants to do(consider Hezekiah's prayer did not surprise the Lord, but he did not answer the prayer until it was made). I realize this thinking may be very strange to you. Also I am not trying to manipulate you I am asking God to bless you.
It seems obvious from your posts that your very angry and have been deeply hurt in the past.
---mima on 8/5/11


Mark V, please let me try to explain WHY I asked questions about this.

I set aside time to spend with the Lord.

I love The Lord. You love the Lord. We set aside time to Worship, Pray, Praise, etc.,

WHY if I spend time with Him, did the Holy Spirit all of a sudden decide to rise up inside of me and do this WHILE WATCHING TV? Was I out of order? Is there something dangerous about to happen to me and He felt the need to Worship through me?

I'm scared...so I came here to ask what you all think this means.

Boasting isn't my style. Like I said, I'm scared. I even forget what I was watching on TV. It was like when a car is in park and jumps into drive automatically - I can't explain it but I'm scared.
---Donna5535 on 8/5/11


Strongaxe-- Do you think Donna5535 was so completely taken over that she could NOT control what she was saying? I want to correct a common misconception about charismatics, that they sometimes become overwhelmed by something they cannot control nor prevent.
That's far from true. The spirit, indeed, IS subject to our control!

It sounds like Donna was surprised, but not at all inclined to block, or cut short, what she felt was praising the Lord.

MarkV--Many Pentecostals do NOT follow the "faith teachers", but they still may come off as if "boasting" at times. (Of course, "non-Pentecostals" may also appear to do the same thing).
---Donna66 on 8/5/11


Donna, something else:

Were your elation that true joy of the Holy Spirit that Christ promised no one can take from you, you would not have compared me with the devil, because nothing anyone said could have diminished it.

\\Cluny, your conceit and attitude is making it very difficult for my prayers concerning you to be effective.
---mima on 8/4/11\\

mima, prayer is supposed to get our spirits in tune with God, so our so we will do His will. It's not a way to badger God to get Him to do something to someone else. And you say I'M conceited?

Efficacy in prayer comes from God Himself, not the person praying or the object.

Your attempt to manipulate me is not working.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/11


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Donna 5535,you're welcome,you never need be afraid when the Spirit of God moves upon you and as God's child you know his Spirit. Just enjoy God's touch. I think of it like this the TV was a point of contact for the things of God and your tender heart of love for God rose up in joy worshipping the Lord. It is a blessing and also builds you up Spiritually. Mark V I have never been exposed to prideful people like you are talking about. I don't see how anyone can have pride in what the Holy Spirit is doing through them. It is God's anointing and all we do is surender our hearts and mouths to praise the Lord.
---Darlene_1 on 8/5/11


Strongaxe, I completely agree with your answers.
Donna5535, you said you were watching tv and broke out in worshipping in the Spirit. Are we not suppose to worship Him in spirit and Truth all the time? God does use angels, but not to incite you. God is orchestrating something always in our lives through the Spirit.
You must belong to a charismatic church. I did too. What I found was that many not all, in my church followed the Word of Faith teachers. And witnessed they do boast as if the other Christians are not filled with the Spirit as they are. They feel they have a special blessing that other Christians don't have. But would God give a gift that would cause a believer to boast against a brother or sister? No.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/11


strongaxe, about five years ago, my wife and i were separated for 1/2 year. during that time, i was attending this church. when she saw that things were changing for me, she became interested. she started going there with the kids. it did not bother me, because at the time, she was making it very difficult to see the kids.

nevertheless, she is very convincing and persuasive. after a month or so, i was the 'bad' guy.

it was quite 'ear' opening witnessing what the events that occurred in a 'spirit' filled, bible believing church. her interest was not in my growth, but her lack thereof. now, the kids are with me, and she needs help. (please, pray for her...if the Lord leads.)
---aka on 8/4/11


aka:

Yes, this is one of the reasons I find it difficult to take seriously some preachers like Robert Tilton who can't complete a sentence without "bursting into tongues" in the middle of it, much like some people can't complete a sentence without peppering it full of profanity.

The spirit is supposed to to be subject to our control, so if it goes out of control, it's NOT the Spirit of God doing it, it's either the flesh, or some other spirit that we ought to stay away from.

I'm curious what you meant by this is the same spirit-filled church that my separated wife later infiltrated and was easily equipped to turn them.
Could you elaborate on what happened?
---StrongAxe on 8/4/11


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Cluny, your conceit and attitude is making it very difficult for my prayers concerning you to be effective.
---mima on 8/4/11


I agree with Cluny. Too many times on these blogs people want to let everyone know how spiritual they are. I have found that a very good way to communicate with the Lord is to turn off that television, get into the Bible and pray. Works everytime.
---KarenD on 8/4/11


\\Cluny, unlike you, I don't know EVERYTHING like you do.\\

That's why I'm trying to teach you. Do you have a teachable spirit?

\\CLUNY, did you enjoy ripping me apart AGAIN? This is the SECOND post you did this to me in a 24 hour period, but if it makes you happy, then go for it. That's exactly what the devil does, tries to destroy our Joy in the Lord\\

Do you want to be a painted china doll or a valiant woman of God, Donna?

If you were so sure about your experience, what I said wouldn't disturb you.

All I'm trying to do is get you to think and exercise discernment. Sounds like my question hit closer to home than either of us expected.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/11


cluny, wworship is a voluntary act of joy expandent, this worship has many forms and faces, and god loves them all.
you might not agree but that is your choise and your right. . on the other hand indeed you did push it over the edge this time, let wisdom be our master
---andy3996 on 8/4/11


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Cluny:

Worship is not merely a psychological tool that we use selfishly to improve our own characters. It also has purposes in its own right.

I don't recall any of the calls to worship in the Bible commanding us to worship SO THAT it would engender our
repentance, contrition, or humility.
---StrongAxe on 8/4/11


Thank you Mary, Darlene1 and Donna66. I'm trying to understand why that happened to me. I got scared at first and thought, ut oh, something bad is going to happen soon and the Holy Spirit is trying to build me up in the Spirit.

CLUNY- OH MY GOSH!! YOU MADE ME CRY. Are you happy with your post?

I am shaking and crying at the same time.

Cluny, unlike you, I don't know EVERYTHING like you do. I am trying to understand supernatural things as I go along in my walk.

CLUNY, did you enjoy ripping me apart AGAIN? This is the SECOND post you did this to me in a 24 hour period, but if it makes you happy, then go for it. That's exactly what the devil does, tries to destroy our Joy in the Lord.
---Donna5535 on 8/4/11


Yes I experienced this many times. Notice how some of the answers make fun of your statement, the reason for this is they have no idea what you're talking about. This sudden breaking out in worship I believe is brought about by the closeness of the Spirit with your person. Once this happened to me and a bystander said, that came about because the Holy Spirit is riding your shoulder! Which I thought was a unique and interesting statement.
---mima on 8/4/11


huh Donna, what programm where you looking? would like to know if that is the effect of the programm
---andy3996 on 8/4/11


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Cluny-- For Donna5535, this seems to have been a surprising, though uplifting, occurrence. She was asking if others had had similar experiences and what they made of it.

I'm sure there are a number who have experienced something like this, even if you haven't or don't believe in such things.
---Donna66 on 8/4/11


a few years ago, i was frequenting an independent baptist church. during the sermon, every once in a while, somebody would shout out with something that sounded like "Amen." Once I was really agreeing with the sermon and said Amen in a loud, but clear voice. then, curious, i asked an "elder" what that was about. he said the people were moved by the unction of the spirit. therefore, it was uncontrollable. any amens said in control were probably of the flesh.

one fruit of the spirit is self-control. i always wonder about these and many other uncontrolled outbursts of the "spirit". (btw-this is the same spirit-filled church that my separated wife later infiltrated and was easily equipped to turn them.)
---aka on 8/3/11


I''m happy for you Donna, I would love that type of experience myself and hope God will do that in me one day too, God continue to bless you in your life. :)
---Mary on 8/3/11


Angels have nothing to do with it,that is not one of their jobs. I think it is making a spiritual connection to God and at that moment dying to self,and putting all our focus on loving and having fellowship wih God. It is an act of love,worship and requires deep trust in God to let go and let God connect with your heart,.soul,and spirit so closely. To be lost in the joy of his presence. No it isn't about God doing something in your life. It is about you doing something in your life to love God and fellowship with him. Being obedient to the Word which says to worship God in Spirit and in truth. The more you do the more you will and grow nearer to God.
---Darlene_1 on 8/3/11


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Donna5535--I agree with Paul. If YOUR attention was on TV, perhaps those words of worhip did not come just from YOU.
Jhn 14:16-20 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever, Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I think God is always orchestrating things in our lives. What exactly, he does with angels and when, I cannot say.
---Donna66 on 8/3/11


Donna, why did you post this here?

Did you want to be congratulated by others for being just a little bit special and elevated above the usual unspiritual madding crowd?

Were you moved to repentance, contrition, and humility--or just up on the mount of feel good about yourself?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/3/11


This is your spirit rejoicing inside of you, praise God for it and look forward to each time.

Paul
---paul on 8/3/11


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