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Do you agree with this statement? "Christ and baptism, Christ and confirmation, Christ and church membership, Christ and keeping the Ten Commandments or anything added to Jesus Christ means that we are not fully trusting in Him and shows that we are fallen from grace?"

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No, on the contary: Christ and his Commandments, Christ and every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God is proof that we are in his grace, and Christ without his commandments proves that a person has no grace but yet needs to be saved.
---Eloy on 9/24/11

Do you agree with this statement...anything added to Jesus Christ means that we are not fully trusting in Him? Concerning salvation, Yes. Fact, we can do no good thing without Him. Jhn 15:5 "fallen from grace?" No.
To my understanding there is only one thing that may cause one to fall from grace, and that is attempting to justified oneself by the works of the law. "For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight." Gal 5:4>Rom 3:20
---josef on 9/20/11

Our daily living (thoughts and attitudes) should be our "prayer" offering to God.

He doesn't value fancy words, speeches, complaining, compliments/flattery, or begging, He wills/desires that we have the ability to shed "living water" and feel SORROW (NOT a theatrical and forced "compassion", but have a real PASSION in our hearts).

Words are of no value to God, it is the "living" water heart where His law shall be "summed up".

Romans 13:9 " are summed up in this sentence".

John 7:38 "rivers of living water"...

....God's Spirit agrees with "the water and the blood"..."He came by water and blood".
---more_excellent_way on 8/15/11

Prayer is NOT a work.

Faith is NOT a work.

Faith without work is dead faith.

Work is applying genuine love, an everlasting love, to the Lord your God and to others - your neighbors and your enemies. Love encompasses the two commandments that Jesus spoke of. It encompasses the ten commandments. It encompasses the 613 laws of Moses.

Do an online bible search for "one another," "each other," "comfort," and "encourag" to find the workings of love.

Psalm 31:23
Luke 6:35
John 14:28-31
Romans 5:5
Ephesians 3:17
1 Thessalonians 1:3
1 Thessalonians 3:12
Hebrews 6:10
Hebrews 10:24
1 John 3:18
---Steveng on 8/13/11

Cluny, what you do not understand is that prayer to the Lord is a work, that is done by those who are believers. And when they come to Christ they do exercise the faith God gave them when He made them spiritually alive to Christ. If God did not give them Spiritual birth, they would never pray to God to being with, ( why pray to someone who they do not know or love? ) they would not have faith to exercise it and ask for forgiveness, and they would not ask forgiveness unless they repented. So a sinners prayer is what one does of his own self who is spiritually alive to Christ. Those are his works. The evidence of spiriual rebirth.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/11

Cluny, Jesus said if you love me you'll obey my teachings. We all obey according to the revelation received. example: tithe, i discovered Jesus words, so automatically I gave.
i only went to church on sundaymorning, yet when i read "I do not want you to neglect you own meetings as some tend to do" i automatically fellowshipped prayermeetings, biblestudies and soforth.
evangelising, as soon as i read acts 1:8, i joined the church evangelisationteam.
Every time it was a decision to make, still i did not ponder upon it, my mentality is "the bible says it, so i'll do it, with no legalism attached to it.
i've tryed always to do everythingbecause i love the lord i donot doubt again, that is what i meant.
---andy3996 on 8/9/11

\\And isn't the act of prayer--even the unbiblical sinner's prayer--a work?\\
---Cluny on 8/8/11

Yes, prayer is most certainly a work.

Unfortunately, most who are duped into saying a "sinner's prayer" have a merit view of that work.

I have heard countless people who rely on that prayer to count for their righteousness.

I tried to council one man who regularly doubted his salvation. I told him on numerous occasions that it could be a good thing to doubt if, as was my case for years, he had never been saved in the first place.

His response was "but I know I'm saved because I asked Jesus into my heart."

This poor soul was relying on his own work to save him
---James_L on 8/8/11

\\You believe Christ's righteousness is accessed by praying, mima.\\

And isn't the act of prayer--even the unbiblical sinner's prayer--a work?

Even FAITH is a work, because YOU are the one who must exercise the faith.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/8/11


I think it would be beneficial if you were to elaborate on exactly what you mean, because there are several ways in which those works are viewed - merit, access, evidence, etc.

Merit would say "because I do this (work) I am righteous, but only through Christ is it possible."

Access would say "Only Christ has merited righteousness, but if I do this (work) then it will be given to me."

You believe Christ's righteousness is accessed by praying, mima.

The evidence view says that if you really have faith in Christ, then your works will show it. "proof is in the pudding" so to speak
---James_L on 8/8/11

\\He who has Christ obeys Christ without evevn thinking about it.\\


We're supposed to love Him with our minds, too, according to His own words.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/11

---andy3996 on 8/8/11
I see this the way you do
---francis on 8/8/11

I would not judge anyone by outward things like being or not being outwardly baptized, etc. Salvation is through Jesus, but this involves however our Father draws each person to Jesus. All that God does and uses with each person, I would say, is essential, since it is included by God Himself. And then whatever He has us doing after we have "first trusted in Christ" (Ephesians 1:12) is also essential, since it all is in His process of correcting us become holy (see Hebrews 12:4-14) in His love, so that "as He is, so are we in this world." See 1 John 4:17 > "Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world."
---Bill_willa6989 on 8/8/11

francis, i agree thatONLY CHRIST should not be translated literally, as some do have a tendency, these are the ones that are very close to the CHRIST DIED for all, so whatever you do your saved.
as Christ alone saves
HIS WAY alone leads to salvation. and HIS TRUTH alone sets us free.
Jesus said I AM the way truth and life.
that is how I interpret Christ alone.
He who obeys my teachings said Jesus, and again
obey MY commandments, a new command i give unto thee,
i found three commands from Christ can anyone Name them?
---andy3996 on 8/8/11

Mima (I think) means is why do people look to get saved by Christ then have to do baptism, confirmation, church membership, etc to stay saved. Your righteousness is saved by Christ at conversion and can never go away. However we have increased the significance of baptism, confirmation, church membership to the level of losing righteousness if not done. When baptism, church membership is only needed for a blessed life John 10:10.
---Scott1 on 8/8/11

What does christ alone mean? Does it mean if I have christ i can commit adultery or worship another god? Or if i have christ i do not have to get baptized?

Consider these bible verses:
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, AND AND AND the faith of Jesus

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, AND AND AND by the word of their testimony

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, AND AND AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

SORRY I DO NOT GET THE QUESTION. Christ is a PACKAGED deal, He includes baptism,AND commandments
---Francis on 8/7/11

Jesus did ALL of the "works"/efforts necessary for cleanliness (John 6:28). All we need do is TRUST that His works are sufficient (let His "works" be manifest in our lives, John 9:3).

Salvation is a FREE "gift" and was not given IMPERIALISTICALLY hoping that something would be given in return.

Jesus also brought God's spirit (John 7:39) so we could learn the sentiment of SORROW (the precursor of genuine love, TEARS, "living water") instead of forced artificial "compassion".

"He who" TRULY "believes"....shall have "RIVERS of living water flowing"(John 7:38).

"the Spirit, the water, and the blood" (1 John 5:8).....Got water?.
---more_excellent_way on 8/7/11

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No, I do not agree with that false statement, for Christ himself says, "My Commandments keep." Lk.6:46+ 14:27+ Jn.14:15.
---Eloy on 8/7/11

well it depends what is meant with CHRIST and baptism, confirmation, church membership. evangelising etc.
He who has Christ obeys Christ without evevn thinking about it.
yes there are certain churches that call themself the only true body of Christ, beware of those
---andy3996 on 8/7/11

No, mima, because Christ Himself works in all of these things, especially in the Sacraments/Mysteries.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/7/11

agree? i do not even understand the question....
all i know is," HE is Risen !!!"
---kevin5443 on 8/7/11

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