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What thing(s) attracted you to your current place of Worship?

Also, how long have you been attending this place?

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My current place of worship is based on it's proximity to my current place of residence
---Francis on 8/28/11


Robyn, this what you mention is exactely the problem of bigger churches. and is a real danger for many.
on the other hand i agree that a preacher is worth it's pay, it seems tome that the leaders of your church are raised in prosperity doctrines, very difficult to convince a pastor of this error. we tend to think it is the love of money that pushes such a pastor, yet the problem lies oftenly much deeper hidden in wrongly founded doctrines.
HOWEVER I KNOW THAT THE prosperity FOUNDATIONS PREACHED ARE mostly TRUE if overemphsised they become stench.
---andy3996 on 8/26/11


The praise and worship service was off the chain. The pastor was awesome. Preached the true Word of God. Everyone seem so friendly at first.. Later I became a bit discouraged because of the lack of Communion,cliques, too much emphasis on money,birthdays(for his family). They always want more and more money for any and all occasions. The pastor allows any so called preacher/prophet off of the street come into the church and pickpocket his members. I often leave wondering if this so-called prophet and the pastor is in this sham, together. This is a no-no.No pastor should ever do this. Protect the sheep,above all.Pray for them,love them.My membership have been at this church, little over 6 years. Have been visiting other church 6months or so.
---Robyn on 8/26/11


leej* Ruben - We do not see Peter as the dominant figure the supreme ruler & teacher of the church after the resurrection as one would expect if Peter was the head of His church.

Let me help you then:

Jhn 21:15-17 Peter is the only one told to "Feed his Sheep"

Luke 22:32 Peter is the only one Jesus pray for, so faith may not fail.

Peter is the first recorded in the upper room(Acts 1:22) and takes the lead in replacing for Judas (Acts 1:22).

Peter preaches repentance and baptism to the Christian and is the first one to do it(Acts 2:38) I could go on and on, but you get my point.



---Ruben on 8/25/11


leej* Even the Jerusalem council tells us that James, the half brother of Jesus, presided over that council.

Actually, Peter rose and said that circumcision was not necessary. Peter made a authoritive decision on a doctrinal question, in fact scripture says "All kept silent" when he spoke. Just on a side note, Peter made a decision not on scripture only:)

leej* Peter was SENT by the church along with John on a mission to Syria, an unlikely event if Peter was the de facto rule.

Why, all were there when Jesus call Peter rock and gave only Peter the keys.

---Ruben on 8/25/11




And we certainly would not see Peter as an apostate when Paul confronted him in Antioch.

Sorry, but no cigar!
---leej on 8/24/11

In Galations, this passage has nothing whatsoever to do of Peter leading people astray.Paul crticizing Peter conduct, not his authorithy. Paul himself did the same thing Peter did by Having Timothy circumized after teaching we are free of Moses law.

Sorry, but no cigar!
---Ruben on 8/25/11


Nana, Jesus did tell them to observe and do" because what they did was know the law. Jesus would never tell anyone to not observe the law. But what they could not do was save themselves. Not even keeping the law or their own traditions could save them. That is why Jesus in (v.12) condemns pride and pretense. When you want to question anything, why don't you ask, instead of trying to teach something you don't know or understand. You want one passage to speak for you but you forget the rest of the context.
---Mark_V. on 8/25/11


"Leej, you are correct in what you said concerning Matthew 23"

Why mark v., because John MacArthur agrees?

"The expression here is translated as, "They have seated themselves in Moses seat"
Stressing that this was an imaginary authority they claimed for themselves."

If that were so, Christ would not have told them to "Observe and do".
---Nana on 8/25/11


//Sources like 'Tradition'
*****
leej* In essence then, we should not base our beliefs on tradition as we clearly can be very unsure of its contents.

Does that mean you are throwing away the Bible? because that is a tradition!

//leej * Not true! as the Bible also says we should not go beyond what is written! 1 Cor. 4:6

Does Leej care to tell us to what Paul was referring to? The Talmud? Maybe the Mosaic Law? Or better yet maybe the OT scriptures? Leej is aware no NT canon was avaiable at the time Paul wrote this and the verse says nothing about being the sole rule/guide of faith. Nice try do!
---Ruben on 8/25/11


Leej, you are correct in what you said concerning Matthew 23: The expression here is translated as, "They have seated themselves in Moses seat" Stressing that this was an imaginary authority they claimed for themselves. But the Scribes and Pharisees had gone beyond any legitimate authority and were adding human traditions to the Word of God (v. 15:3-9). For that Jesus condemned them in (v.8-36). verses 23:3 "Observe and do" here insofar as it accords with the Word of God, the pharisees were prone to bind "heavy burdens" (v.4) of extrabiblical traditions and put them on others shoulders. Jesus condemned that sort of legalism.
---Mark_V. on 8/25/11




//leej * I suspect, but do not really know, that the Gospel according to Matthew was really a compilation from many sources.Sources like 'Tradition'
*****
In essence then, we should not base our beliefs on tradition as we clearly can be very unsure of its contents.

//leej * Roman Catholics are unable to explain why the Bible in itself is found to be insufficient.And non-Catholics are unable to explain why the Bible itself says to Stand firm by Letter and word of mouth.

Not true! as the Bible also says we should not go beyond what is written! 1 Cor. 4:6
---leej on 8/24/11


Ruben - We do not see Peter as the dominant figure the supreme ruler & teacher of the church after the resurrection as one would expect if Peter was the head of His church.

And we would expect to see that acknowledged by the apostles & the church in general.

But in neither case do we see that.

Even the Jerusalem council tells us that James, the half brother of Jesus, presided over that council.

Peter was SENT by the church along with John on a mission to Syria, an unlikely event if Peter was the de facto rule.

And we certainly would not see Peter as an apostate when Paul confronted him in Antioch.

Sorry, but no cigar!
---leej on 8/24/11


leej* Probably since they all had the same message, there was no need to do so.

So earlier when you said 'it was they who penned the Scripture.', you didn't mean it.

leej * I suspect, but do not really know, that the Gospel according to Matthew was really a compilation from many sources.

Sources like 'Tradition'

leej * In any case, what we have in Holy Writ is totally sufficient for all purposes for the Christian life.

But yet Jesus nor the Apostles said that!

leej * Roman Catholics are unable to explain why the Bible in itself is found to be insufficient .

And non-Catholics are unable to explain why the Bible itself says to Stand firm by Letter and word of mouth.
---Ruben on 8/24/11


Also, concerning what is written in Matthew Chapter 23, why do you only mention one thing, but neglect every thing else which is written in this chapter?

---Rob on 8/23/11

Ok Rob, let's play by our rule but before we do answer my questions. Let say the Catholic Church does everything chapter 23 is saying which you yet to proof. Notice what Jesus says in the beginning of the chapter "Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do,"
---Ruben on 8/24/11


Ruben, to answer the question you asked Leej concerning who suceeded the Apostles.

Judas was the only Apostle who was ever suceeded by anyone as an Apostle of Christ, and it was by Matthias, Acts 1:12-26. Ruben, if you studied scripture, you would know this.

Also, concerning what is written in Matthew Chapter 23, why do you only mention one thing, but neglect every thing else which is written in this chapter?

---Rob on 8/23/11


leej* Unfortunately Roman Catholics in their greed for power, claim the church was built on Peter (not his confession)

Christ does not built his Church on 'confession' but on people, in this case upon the Rock of Peter and gave him 'only' the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven.

leej* and that authority was passed downward to the bishops of Rome.

Perhaps you can give one quote of the Early church Fathers during the first five centuries of the Church who believed that Peter honor was not pass on to his successor.

leej* But such falsehoods are typical of those who wish not to abide by the Scripture.

Such falsehood falls on those who go by scripture only and thier fallibe interpretation of scripture!
---Ruben on 8/23/11


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If you want to know some of the practices happening in the Catholic, along with other churches, which Christ Himself rebuked the Scribes and Pharisees of doing, start with Matthew Chapter 23.
---Rob on 8/19/11

You mean where it says call no one teacher or father. Not sure if you have any kids, do they not call you father? What do you about the commanment honor your Father and Mother? Do your kids at school allow to say teacher at all?
---Ruben on 8/23/11


Why did not all the Apostles write letters? Probably since they all had the same message, there was no need to do so.

I suspect, but do not really know, that the Gospel according to Matthew was really a compilation from many sources.

In any case, what we have in Holy Writ is totally sufficient for all purposes for the Christian life. Roman Catholics are unable to explain why the Bible in itself is found to be insufficient and why one needs to believe in 'revelation' that has occurred later.
---leej on 8/23/11


leej* The church was and is being built on the foundation of the prophets and Apostles. And it was they who penned the Scripture.

Speaking of the Apostles, I went though the whole NT but yet to find writing of Andew, James the Son of Zebedee and his brother John. Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas, James the Son of Alphaeus and Thaddeus. Can you help me with this? Who wrote the Gospel of Matthew and John?
---Ruben on 8/22/11


Ruben //1 Tim 3:16 tell us the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, but you say its only the bible.

The church was and is being built on the foundation of the prophets and Apostles. And it was they who penned the Scripture.

Eph. 2:19-20 you are ... fellow-citizens with Gods people and members of Gods household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

Unfortunately Roman Catholics in their greed for power, claim the church was built on Peter (not his confession) and that authority was passed downward to the bishops of Rome.

But such falsehoods are typical of those who wish not to abide by the Scripture but by their own superstitions.
---leej on 8/22/11


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Rob* Ruben, if you want to learn what is written in scripture start by following the instruction found in 2 Timothy 2:14-19,

Rob,

1 Tim 3:16 tell us the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, but you say its only the bible. Because of the bible alone' they have spread like cancer 2 Tim 2:17

Rob* along with following the example found in Acts 17:11.

The Bereans would listen to Paul talk about Jesus and then turn to Isaiah 53 and make the connection. One thing about Acts 17, it does not say they search scripture Only, the Scriptures they did search were the Old Testament scriptures to verify that Jesus was the Messiah. Question: Are you saying that the OT scripture are sufficient?
---Ruben on 8/22/11


This is a very bad doctrine since there is really no way one can qualify to judge the salvation or lack thereof of others. A Roman Catholic 'saint' may very well have hidden sins and went to hell instead.
---leej on 8/21/11

Scripture tell us that the Church is "which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth."(1 Tim 3:15)And Jesus tell us take take to the Church when in dispute and they have the authorithy to bind and loose (Mt 16:16-19)
---Ruben on 8/22/11


leej * Roman Catholics believe those that died in favor with God go to heaven where they can intercede with God on our behalf.

Scripture tells us: Rev. 8:3-4.

"... saints upon the golden altar before the throne, and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" And Jesus tells us we will be " but are like angels in heaven." Mt 22: 29-32 We see this also in the OT: " Then the LORD said to me, "Though Moses and Samuel stood before me." Jer 15:1 Moses and Samuel were long physically dead, but yet were still inteceding!! We know by scripture that" The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects."James 5:16-18
---Ruben on 8/22/11


"This is a very bad doctrine since there is really no way one can qualify to judge the salvation or lack thereof of others."
---leej on 8/21/11

Disagree completely,
Acts 8:20_21: "But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God."
---Nana on 8/22/11


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//Ruben, you can make all the excuses you want but you cannot escape the fact that you are an idol worshipper.

It is my understanding that Roman Catholics believe those that died in favor with God go to heaven where they can intercede with God on our behalf. This is a very bad doctrine since there is really no way one can qualify to judge the salvation or lack thereof of others. A Roman Catholic 'saint' may very well have hidden sins and went to hell instead.
---leej on 8/21/11


Ruben, you can make all the excuses you want but you cannot escape the fact that you are an idol worshipper. I don't know which is your favorite but most have one favorite.
The early church beginned after Pentacost. Those were the early Church Christians. Israel to whom the Ark of the Covenant was given was never saved. They did not worship the Ark of the Covenant, it was suppose to contain the Ten Commandments and the presence of God. If someone touched it they would die. Second, what God does is always righteous, what God tells us not to do and we do, it is always sin. Israel always went back to idol worship. The very same thing the RCC did. And now justify their worship by making excuses.
---Mark_V. on 8/19/11


Mark_V* Ruben, the early Church Chrisians did not follow the Ark of the Covenant. Sorry.

Joshua 7:6-7 "Then Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face before the Ark of the Lord "

"1 Chronicles 16:1-2, 4 And they brought the Ark of God , and set it inside the tent which David had pitched for it, and they offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before God."

Mark_V*Those who wanted to touch the Apostles were looking for a miracle. At least the Apostles were walking and talking and breathing and had the power of God with them.

Were the handkerchief and the shadow walking and talking? That's what 'They" wanted to touch!
---Ruben on 8/19/11


Mark_V.* God is very much against sacred images.

What do you call the Ark of the Covenant',Bronze Serpent, Solomon Temple?

Mark_V.* No image of Jesus, no matter how magnificent it is can capture the nature of the Lord.

Numbers 21:8-9 and John 3:13-15.

Mark_V *Suppose you show a statue of the crucifixation to someone who has no knowledge of the Christian faith. What would he understand about Jesus? What conclusion would he draw?

What good will it do if you just have the Bible? At least I will have the crucifixation and the Bible, I can turn to 1 Cor 2:2 "For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified." and then show him the crucifixation to show him what I mean!
---Ruben on 8/19/11


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Ruben, if you want to learn what is written in scripture start by following the instruction found in 2 Timothy 2:14-19, along with following the example found in Acts 17:11.

If you want to know some of the practices happening in the Catholic, along with other churches, which Christ Himself rebuked the Scribes and Pharisees of doing, start with Matthew Chapter 23.
---Rob on 8/19/11


The merciless Emperour Nero executed countless Christians in the first century, including cutting off Apostle Paul's head.

Those faithful martyrs protested against Nero's pagan custom worship.

Histories show that from the first century that Christians had a lot of protesting to do against decreed "idolatry".
---Protestant on 8/19/11


and still WE CONTINUE all TO SEE the splinter in our brothers eyes and fail to see the beam in our own
nobody dared answerring MY QUESTION.
---andy3996 on 8/19/11


Nana, I already addressed Rubens quesstion by saying I do study scripture and have reasearched the Catholic Church.

It is apparent Ruben does not study scripture.
---Rob on 8/18/11


You care to teah me:)
---Ruben on 8/19/11


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Ruben, the early Church Chrisians did not follow the Ark of the Covenant. Sorry. Those who wanted to touch the Apostles were looking for a miracle. At least the Apostles were walking and talking and breathing and had the power of God with them. Right now none are breathing or talking, and most of them had their heads cut off. Some of those heads are right under your Church. Idols have no breath and cannot respond. Have legs but cannot walk. Hands and cannot touch. By the way, they have no brains. They cannot do anything for anyone. All prayers to them are useless. Why don't you try Jesus Christ? Do not put Him in the back seat. He should be the throne of your life.
---Mark_V. on 8/19/11


God is very much against sacred images. He has prohibited images because they cannot convey who God is. No image of Jesus, no matter how magnificent it is can capture the nature of the Lord. All the well meaning attempts only incur His displeasure. Suppose you show a statue of the crucifixation to someone who has no knowledge of the Christian faith. What would he understand about Jesus? What conclusion would he draw? The message conveyed by the image is of a defeated dead person who was unable to save Himself. This Jesus is dead. Yet we know that such a conclusion is incomplete. The true image of Christ includes His eternal deity, incarnation, atoning death, victorious resurrection and ascension that no image can capture.
---Mark_V. on 8/19/11


Nana, I already addressed Rubens quesstion by saying I do study scripture and have reasearched the Catholic Church.

It is apparent Ruben does not study scripture.
---Rob on 8/18/11


Rob, about the RCC.
Whenever God's people began making sacred images, it is clear sign that they had departed from God without exception.

---Mark_V. on 8/18/11

And I am wondering if Mark would call the early christians idolatry when they were following the "ark of the covenant' or when they wanted to touch Paul handkerchief or Peter shadow?
---Ruben on 8/18/11


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I am wondering if Rob will answer the question Ruben asked on 8/16/11.
---Nana on 8/18/11


Rob, about the RCC.
Whenever God's people began making sacred images, it is clear sign that they had departed from God without exception.
"The customs of the peoples are worthless, they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold, they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. Like a scarecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak, they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them, they can do no harm nor can they do any good..What the craftsman and goldsmith have made is then dressed in blue and purple-all made by skilled workers, But the Lord is the true God, He is the Living God, the Eternal King" Jer. 10:3-5,9-10.
---Mark_V. on 8/18/11


Ok about your own CHURCH, honestly and before Jesus, is your church doing NOTHING that is not written in the bible?
and does that make your church good or bad.
---andy3996 on 8/17/11


Ruben, I know there are things within the Catholic Church which goes against what is written Scripture.

This is because I do study Scripture, and I have done research on the Catholic Church.
---Rob on 8/15/11

Not everything was wriiten done.(JHn 20:25) Like the Trinity for one, where does it explain the doctrine of the Trinity, where does it lists the books of the Bible. If the Catholic Church was correct on both of these, how do you know they were wrong on other doctrines?
---Ruben on 8/16/11


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Ruben, I know there are things within the Catholic Church which goes against what is written Scripture.

This is because I do study Scripture, and I have done research on the Catholic Church.
---Rob on 8/15/11


How can the Catholic Church be the one True Church, when it has rituals, teaching, and traditions, which clearly go against what is written in scripture?
---Rob on 8/11/11

What makes you think it's goes against scripture???
---Ruben on 8/15/11


I am wondering if Saq will answer the question I asked on 8/11/11.
---Rob on 8/15/11


MarkV i wasnt trying fault in Shira's response, i was trying to deepen my understanding of her response. in my vocabulary grounded had only ONE meaning and that is TO BE restricted to go out as a part of punnishment. i admit that my fair knowledge of the Anglophonian language makes some to forget that i'm not. Thank God Shira remembered that im only a "petit Belge" and that is why she explained it better to me
Thanks SHIRA. and
PEACE, mark.
---andy3996 on 8/15/11


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andy3396, grounded means to have studied, studied, studied. He did get an education but his theory is "eat the fish but spit out the bones". Pretty good theory even if I said it.
---shira3877 on 8/15/11


andy, why make more on a simple word? You know what Shira is saying. That he preaches what is in Scripture. Nothing more. Trying to find fault in her answer for no good reason is not very nice. Or do you think it was necessary?
---Mark_V. on 8/15/11


Shira, Grounded theory refers to a systematic methodology in the social sciences emphasizing generation of theory from data in ...
WOW this word really is deeper then expected.
---andy3996 on 8/14/11


John, "HMMM," how about you, do you disobey God? Are you perfect? It seems to me you see sin in everyone else and even ask if they disobey, but never mention if you disobey yourself. What says you? I believe all man fail, am I wrong?
"And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, let me remove the speck from your eye, and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrites! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers eye" ( Matt. 7:3-5. )
So, have your removed the speck in your eye?
---Mark_V. on 8/14/11


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andy, what I probably should have said is my pastor is grounded solid in the Word of God. He rightly divides the Word and everything is taken in context. He has scripture for everything he says. Sorry you misunderstood. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.God bless
---shira_3877 on 8/13/11


Shira, Our pastor is bible grounded...
or was it bible founded?

LOL :-)
---andy3996 on 8/13/11


Our pastor is bible grounded... He is very learned. I can tell you our church knows how to serve the Lord.
---shira_3877 on 8/11/11

HMMM???

Does he/your church Observe The Passover commanded by G-d/Jesus? It contains The Lords Supper, Cruxifiction, and Resurrection.

OR...

Do you disobey G-d and observe Pagan Days Easter and Christmas(very Evil), commanded by the Pagan Emperor Constantine?


Is he Pre-trib? A Heretical Non-Bible apostasy started by a Witch(Margaret McDonald) in 1835.

---John on 8/13/11


mark, my church is small too but powerful. Our pastor is bible grounded, and he likes word studies. He is very learned and he studies most days all day. He just got his doctorate. We may have 80 on sunday. I can tell you our church knows how to serve the Lord.
---shira_3877 on 8/11/11


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Shira, I also agree with you concerning man and how much he wants to be in control, even of God. What atracted me to my church was the teachings. Though it is small, their teachings are God centered not man centered. Everything is about giving glory to God, not only for our salvation but for always been there for us. We always fail, but He never fails.
---Mark_V. on 8/11/11


Scott, God is the same yesterday, today and forever. The only one who has changed is man. Man thinks he is smarter than God and can always make things better. It is refreshing to me to know God will never change.
---shira_3877 on 8/11/11


sag" since you, as a RCC worships in the "one true church" could you show us wich of all the catholic sects is the most true? which one is most orthodox and which is heterodox?
---andy3996 on 8/11/11


Saq, I have a fair and legitimate question.

How can the Catholic Church be the one True Church, when it has rituals, teaching, and traditions, which clearly go against what is written in scripture?
---Rob on 8/11/11


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thanks! Always Happy to talk 'bout my church"..For Me, the first service I just felt Love of God! Warmth, I didN't feel like I was "out of Place"....I had been for years in a church,I just kept pray GOD would send me to the right place of worship! I didn't know I had Cancer,at first...I was only there maybe nr. 4 mths. I had to go into hospital.. we kept n touch by Fon calls/virtual holiday cards I was not able to have visitors my immune system dwn. I cried to get back to my church. Thankfull! We have a wonderfull church family... Very comfortable & we all help at the church! Alot different then the churches I was used to... Our pastor very patient, every one who comes there cuz it's been the plan of GOD.
---ELENA on 8/10/11


I attend THE one, true, church.

The Catholic Church.

Have attended since I was born.

Will attend until GOD takes me home to be with HIM.
---Sag on 8/10/11


After my divorce, I did not wish to stay at the church I worshipped with my ex at. My brother's family served the Lord at my current church, so I attended one Sunday, and felt right at home. The worship was from the heart, and the preaching was sound and Biblical. Within two months, I attended the membership class, and began to serve there in the next six months.
---Trish9863 on 8/8/11


I started experiencing that while I am with the people of my church I get more obviously blessed in the Holy Spirit and better love than how I can be while I am doing things more by myself. And they draw me out to serve and minister and say they appreciate having me, that I have been good for them, more than I realize. And I find that God keeps preparing and correcting and leading me to stay with these people . . . now for maybe five years.
---Bill_willa6989 on 8/8/11


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I have attended since before I was born and will be attending after I die and on through eternity.

so your a latter day saint.
---andy3996 on 8/8/11


What attracted me to NewSpring (NS) was music, preaching, friends, Kingdom vision, church vision, service projects, volunteering, mission trips, Bible study, church is following God commands, has streched me, leadership, technology.
Music - excellent, practical, exciting, not written in 1800's. God is still working today not a 100 years ago.
Preaching - Pastor Perry Noble has the gift of making scripture come alive in daily application and taking doctrine and making it understandable to non-christians.
friends - people my age
---Scott1 on 8/8/11


Jesus The Christ was why ans I have attended since before I was born and will be attending after I die and on through eternity.

Or....

Were you reffering to those Social Clubs YOU call Church?

They do serve good potlucks.
And are generally less expensive than most of the COuntry Clubs.

Good Secular(non-biblical/non-spirital) fellowshipping.

NO G-D THERE!
---John on 8/7/11


Christ is the one that attracks me,
i've attended since it's beginning (15 years now).
before that i attended another church 5 years , but due of distance i could'nt continue (we where living 45 km away from that first church)
---andy3996 on 8/7/11


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I was invited by one of my oldest friends to her church 9 years ago. I had been seeking where God wanted me, and from the first "visit", I knew the Lord was being glorified. I believe I had some very specific confirmation from the Lord that this would be my church home. The Lord ministered to me in many ways, the church was active in a variety of ministries which I felt strongly about, the worship is awesome, and when you know you are in a place in the presence of the Lord, and a body is yielded to the HS, it's an incredible thing.
---chria9396 on 8/7/11


the Heart!!!! as to how long? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
---kevin5443 on 8/7/11


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