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Reject Christ And Still Christian

IS Jesus equally and truthfuly God with the father?
is rejecting Christ as GOD sufficient reason not to be a Christian?

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Amen char on 9/14/11! He indeed is worthy!
"The beauty of God, is God and does not have to prove His existence to everyone." Yes, and yet, it is there to be seen/understood, if people believed. Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world Gods invisible qualitieshis eternal power and divine naturehave been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Blessings
---chria9396 on 9/14/11


God spoke His creation into a tangible substance.

He is the creator of all things
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

The beauty of God, is God and does not have to prove His existence to everyone.

Is 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Jn1:1-15
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
---char on 9/14/11


"Josef, In sharing here or elsewhere, I wish to be careful not to take away or add to the Word," Yes chria9396 we all should be careful concerning this. For as it is written, "Be diligent to present yourself acceptable to, and approved of God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, properly handling the Word of Truth." 2Ti 2:15 Careful to share the truth directly and correctly. Cutting straight to the chase so to speak:o)"Prayer and knowing the HS was leading was/is paramount." Amen to that Chria.
---Josef on 9/11/11


Yes Andy, when it comes to determining who Jesus was/is "let every man be persuaded in his own mind". For "according to your faith, be it unto you." Jesus is called "the son of Mary", "The Son of David", "The Son of man", and "The Son of God", all of which are true and Biblical concerning HIm. Arguing who He is will never serve a purpose, and the argument will never be "won" either way. The really important question for each of us, is the question that Jesus asked "Who do 'you' say I Am." What ever answer one gives for that question, is for that one true. Who am I to argue another man's truth? I think we all agree that Jesus is The Christ, The Lamb of God.
---Josef on 8/25/11


Josef, In sharing here or elsewhere, I wish to be careful not to take away or add to the Word, In instances where we don't quote word for word one needs to know that putting something in our own words is scripturally based, sound doctrine, the Spirit can and does lead. I taught young children in Sunday school, and of course my own as they grew. Often, the Word as written would be beyond their level of comprehension, and so I would need to present it to them in a way they could comprehend. Prayer and knowing the HS was leading was/is paramount Often I've thought something to be a word for word translation, and looked to find, and cannot. Much of my thinking has been on that basis as I still primarily share the Word in such a capacity.
---chria9396 on 8/25/11




andy3996 on 8/23/11, Thank you, I'm glad, and relieved, that you responded, and no offense was taken. i agree we ought to be willing and able to be corrected. It may not be pleasant for the moment, but what great reward we have if amenable. The lord's been dealing with my heart in this and more, so likewise, you did me a favor. Thank you again, and may Almighty God bless you.
---chria9396 on 8/23/11


Joseph Also I enjoyed trying to understand what you particularly meant. however i am very clear and convinced in my ideas concerning God (God Knows where i still fail and need help)i was interested with your particular way of responding because in a sense i saw that every camp in this discussion coulld agree upon what yousaid, not that you werent clear, but fellowship begins in interest. GOD BLESS
---andy3996 on 8/23/11


Yes chria9396 I too have combined related verses into one. "We are to renew our minds with the washing of the Word" is a very true, and Biblical statement, a combination of Eph 5:26 and Rom. 12:2:o) Andy I too sincerely hope that you where not offended by any of the statements I made, because there was certainly no offense intended. I believed your questions to be sincere, and even if they were not, I enjoyed answering. The statement concerning not hearing was not for you or anyone in particular. It was simply a statement of fact. As individuals we will never agree on every little thing, and that is O.K. We can still love one another in Christ, that was the point.
---Josef on 8/23/11


Chria, no offence taken, i love as much your answers as i loved your ??"action in trying to rebuke me"?? a man that cannot be corrected is far away from wisdom. Proverbs 28:11 Ecclesiastes4:13. i love as well that you feel bad about it, NoT THE BAD FEELING BUT others would blow themself up refusing to admit a misstake accusing doctrine and stupidity of the "opponent". fact is everytime somebody responds this way upon my posts i reflect upon what i've said and why i said it, so in a way you did me a great favour. GOD BLESS YOU
(i hope this one will be posted this is the tird time i'm trying to respond)
---andy3996 on 8/23/11


Andy, I keep thinking about what you said, and I am sorry for offending you and ask your forgiveness. Perhaps I should not have intruded in your conversation, as my input was not necessary, and did more harm then good.
---chria9396 on 8/22/11




andy, yes it better to ask in order to know. I preach the pure unadulterated truth, which truth many times will offend the flesh and offends the falsehood that people have been misled to believe in. There are some whom still believe in santy claus rather than Christ, and there are some whom believe in 3 Gods rather than Christ, and there are some whom have yet to truly believe in Christ Almighty.
---Eloy on 8/22/11


Andy, it's the out most importance that we do not run into error. Once it has got full possession of the mind, it rejects the clearest evidence from positive inability to credit them, so error, when once it has poisoned the heart, renders it for ever afterwards in great majority of instances, utterly incapable of receiving Truth. Against every text that may be brought forward in support of Truth an objection is started, a false interpretation is then offered, and counter statements are made, not to find the Truth but to make Truth bow down to error. The manifestion of the "Son of God" is the sum and substance of the whole wonderous scheme of love which has brought heaven down to earth in the incarnation of Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 8/22/11


Andy 2: "In this the love of God was revealed to us, that God has sent His Son, (same nature as the Father) the only Begotten, into the world so that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be a propitiation for our sins" (1 John 4:9,10).
Asking questions is so important when we do not understand. We are called to believe.
In the confession of the Eunuch (Acts 8:37) Philip, who had preached to him Jesus, and no doubt in so doing had declared to him His true and proper Sonship, refused to baptise him till he was assured of his faith. The answer came through his confession, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God" (Acts 8:35-37).
---Mark_V. on 8/22/11


Andy, "Chria if someone does not understand something and asks, isn't it better to ask, because when i think you said something without you heving said it that is worse." Of course, you are right, and you've asked many good questions here on CN, I've followed some of your exchanges because of that. I apologize for implying otherwise, which was not my intention at all. My references to some who cannot or will not hear, or hear what they want, were not with anyone in mind, especially you. I know you ask in sincerity, seeking understanding, of the Word as well as in your communications with others. You are a blessing here.
---Chria9396 on 8/22/11


thanks Eloy, and thanks Joseph.
and Chria if someone does not understand something and asks, isn't it better to ask, because when i think you said something without you heving said it that is worse.
---andy3996 on 8/22/11


Jesus says that he is The Father, and he proves he is God by doing those things that only God Almighty can do. And the answer to the 2nd part of your question is Yes, for Christ himself says, "The one that rejects me, I will reject. And whosoever does not bear their cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. The person that has seen me has seen The Father. I am not of this world. For if you all believe not that I Am, you all will die in your sins." Simply put, you cannot be a Christian if you reject Christ.
---Eloy on 8/21/11


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Josef, True that those who don't desire to hear, will not,(can not?) and we see some who 2 Tim 4:3 "...gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." As for what you quoted, the concept, IMO, lines up with Rom 14:5-12, so is scriptural though not exact word for word. I've done similarly thinking that we are to renew our minds with the washing of the Word, haven't found that, but rather ROM 12:2 "...be transformed by the renewing of your mind."
---Chria9396 on 8/21/11


"I believe you've been very clear in your responses..." Thanks Chria9396.
I certainly try to be. I want to be understood, and have no need, or desire, to speak in parables. Those who have no desire to hear what I am saying, will not, and I am O.K. with that. I earnestly thought the following statement was in scripture, because of how clearly, and authoritatively, it popped into my head one day. "Do not attempt to force any man to think as you do, But rather give every man the full and free liberty of thinking for themselves. For every man must give their own account to God." I was actually surprised when I could not find it.:o) The closes I came was Rom.14:12
---Josef on 8/20/11


Joseph much obliged, sometimes in someone responding with "you did not understan" or i did not understand" makes us to really think, i also prefer someone telling me, he didn't get my idea then that they are always ready in using GIANT offensive words, as you i donot understand trinity, but i also see that not everyone who cannot understand it is heretic. they only see it from another point. differnce of course with those who reject Jesus and the Spirit as being God. as the bible says those have not known God.
---andy3996 on 8/21/11


Andy thanks for that last comment, I had a good laugh.
I apologize for my inability to articulate my thoughts In a way that is understandably clear to you. In answering your questions, a simple yes or no answer seems inadequate simply because the questions could be answered biblically either way. This is as direct as I get concerning this.
1.)"IS Jesus equally and truthfuly God with the father?"
The LORD our God [is] one LORD" Deu 6:4> 4:35
2.)"IS JESUS THE FATHER? "I will let Jesus answer:o)
"He who has seen Me has seen the Father" Jhn 14:9
3.) "IS JESUS GOD" He is The Son of God.
And just as my son would be human, as The Father's 'Only' begotten Son, Jesus is God. Jhn 17:3
---Josef on 8/20/11


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"i feel that you do not accept trinity in its classic form."--andy3996 on 8/20/11 And you are correct.
I view Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as ways in which YHVH, The Great "I AM", has made Himself known to man. After all Father did identify Himself to Moses as "I AM THAT I AM" Exd 3:14. And that translates in my mind as "I will be whatsoever I choose to became. I will become whatsoever I choose to be." You see Andy3996 I can formulate a response in a direct way.:oD))) You have a good day, I have enjoyed our exchange.
---Josef on 8/20/11


jesus is indeed God, sorry, but on the other hand the fraseology used can somethimes rend another to think differntly
---andy3996 on 8/20/11


Josef, "Directly from The Father's mouth, "That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, [even] I, [am] the LORD, and beside me [there is] no Saviour. Neither is there salvation in any other:" Isa 43:10,11> Act 4:12
---Josef on 8/20/11" AMEN! I LOVE THIS1 I believe you've been very clear in your responses...
---chria9396 on 8/20/11


It is not possible to reject Christ and still be a Christian.

The heresies of Arians are still dangerous in the 21st century.

- Christ is God, equal with the Father.

- The Holy Trinity is true and Biblical.

- Noah is probably going to drive his boat by London 2012 Olympics.

The 21st century surely is the final days. (Matthew 24:37)
---Protestant on 8/20/11


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And In case I still have not made myself clear.
Andy this is the bottom line. I believe Jesus to be the expressed image of the invisible God. "The 'firstborn', as foremost in time, order, and importance, as the origin of every creature. For it pleased [The Father] that in 'Him' [The Son] should all 'fulness,' as the presence, power, and agency of Himself dwell." Col.1:15,19
Directly from The Father's mouth, "That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, [even] I, [am] the LORD, and beside me [there is] no Saviour. Neither is there salvation in any other:" Isa 43:10,11> Act 4:12
---Josef on 8/20/11


Josef, are you in politics? you seem to have a problem with formulating any answer in a irect way still i assume you reject the idea that JESUS IS GOD
or that JESUS AND THE FATHER ARE TWO personas
whatever it is, i feel that you do noat accept trinity in its classic form.
---andy3996 on 8/20/11


Andy3996:o) I believe Jesus is The Christ, The Son of the Living God. Those who have seen Jesus, has seen the Father in the only way He will ever be physically perceived bodily. When you behold Jesus you will see the expressed physical manifestation of the 'essence', as in the basic, real, invariable nature, and character, of the Father. The relationship between the Father and Son is as such that "The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do, for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner." And Andy "no one knows who the Son is except the Father, [or] who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him."
---Josef on 8/19/11


JOSEPH so you believe JESUS IS THE FATHER? so you REJECT TRINITY? this not to judge, I just wanna know, because your anwers can be interpretted in three ways.
---andy3996 on 8/19/11


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"Joseph, so you do not accept Jesus IS God?" On the contrary. Andy3996 I believe Jesus to be the Father's uttered Divine expression of HImself, made tangible through His bodily presence, as the Son of God. The Father, in the totality of His Divine essence, Is invisible, and can not be contained, for all is contained within HIm. Again, Jesus is His fulness, Bodily.
Andy, Chria9396 on 8/16/11 quoted Mal.3:1, to that I say Amen and Amen.
---Josef on 8/19/11


char "Here's another beautiful thing.
The very Words ABBA-Father define Gods Word sent to His creation.
A-Aleph is B-beyt
Aleph is leader/strenght
Beyt is tabernacle/House also defined "In" -"within".
Those taught and learned from God come/draw to His Word.
Jesus Christ, Hebrew:Y'sha-God is Saviour.
Jn1:1-14,Jn6:45,Jn6:45
We cry ABBA Father.
The Word draws/dwells within...the chosen, called and whomsoever believe.

Blessing to you." Thank you. yes, a beautiful thing indeed! Glad you shared this. Bless you too.
---chria9396 on 8/17/11


//Jer. 17:10: I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings... For He knows the secrets of the heart (Ps. 44:21, Ps.139:23)---chria9396 on 8/16/11//

Amen. chria9396.

Here's another beautiful thing.
The very Words ABBA-Father define Gods Word sent to His creation.
A-Aleph is B-beyt
Aleph is leader/strenght
Beyt is tabernacle/House also defined "In" -"within".
Those taught and learned from God come/draw to His Word.
Jesus Christ, Hebrew:Y'sha-God is Saviour.
Jn1:1-14,Jn6:45,Jn6:45
We cry ABBA Father.
The Word draws/dwells within...the chosen, called and whomsoever believe.

Blessing to you.
---char on 8/16/11


Joseph, so you do not accept Jesus IS God?
you see the problem with this discussion, those who accept that jesus is lower then God, use exactely the same scriptures which are nessecary for revealing God's Christship.
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
(Ezkiel 34:31)(1Cor 1:2)(1tim 3:16)
---andy3996 on 8/16/11


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Andy3996, this is the first time where the moderator's blog title is outshine by your line of questioning about whether Christ is God.

There are sufficient quotes from Scripture used here to proof that you are in unbelief of God's Word. And God's command was, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, hear ye Him." Matthew 17:5

When you reject Christ, you also reject God and this is the consequence that God has already rejected you before He even created you. In other words, He never loved you.
---christan on 8/16/11


Josef, AMEN! Last night was studying the following:
Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple (Mt 12:6). The presence of God left (Ezekial), only to return...

It is written, 'MY HOUSE shall be called a house of prayer,' but you have made it a 'den of thieves.(Mt 21:12, Mark 11:17, Luke 14:23, Mk.11:11). (ownership)

In Mal.3:1: Behold, I will send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me: and the Lord, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to His temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
cont...
---chria9396 on 8/16/11


part 2. (Jesus' words): Rev. 2:23: "and all the Churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works."


Only God can search hearts

Jer. 17:10: I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings... For He knows the secrets of the heart (Ps. 44:21, Ps.139:23).
---chria9396 on 8/16/11


2 Peter 1:1-2: "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,"
Romans 5:1: "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:"
1Timothy 2:5_6: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
---Nana on 8/16/11


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"IS Jesus equally and truthfuly God with the father?"
Andy3996, Jesus Is referred to as The Son of God.
For within Jesus [The Christ] "dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily," NKJV
"In Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form," NIV
"In Christ lives all the fullness of God." NLT
"In him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily," ESV
"In Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." NASB
"In him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily," RSV
In a chapter focused on the church, with Christ Jesus as it's head, it is revealed that "[He] God was manifest in the flesh" through Him [Jesus]. Col 2:9>1Ti 3:16
---Josef on 8/16/11


Andy...That's because The Nederlands and Belgium are forever fighting an old war.

You guys don't like each other!
---John on 8/15/11


Yes. Either Jesus was who He said that He is or then He was a liar. He did claim to be one with the Father. Anyone who attempts to seperate God the Father from God the Son is not a Christian. Infact, Bible says that this is an antichrist.
---jody on 8/15/11


well Belgian Christians don't like to use the term hollander, and most dutch people prefere not to be called hollands as well actuall( like alot afroamericans hate euroamericans using words they use for themself) i in belgium were amazed to hear that we cannot say thi,ngs we have no other word for.
---andy3996 on 8/15/11


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We know Andy. The Moderators choose the Title. It was just a bit of humor.

I've been to The Nederlands my friend. Holland is just a venacular used in the USA for The Nederlands.
---John on 8/15/11


John the title isn't mine, it is courtesy of the moderator, so therefore it wasn't I who had the brilliance of using this Oxymoron, sorry.
by the way I'm Belgian, not Dutch, and Holland is just one province of the Netherlands. however i am diets (not to be confused with Dutch or Duits)
CHRIST IS GOD
---andy3996 on 8/14/11


JOSEf however you tried to answer very intelligebly to the second part of the question, yet IS Jesus equally and truthfuly God with the father?
---andy3996 on 8/14/11


""Reject Christ And Still Christian" That's Impossible.
"Is rejecting Christ as GOD sufficient reason not to be a Christian?"
I take it you mean "sufficient reason not to be considered a Christian?"
My answer would be no, Neither Jesus nor His apostles ever made that a requirement. What one must believe is that Jesus is the Lamb of God, sacrificed for one's sin, and raised for one's justification. The Messiah sent of the Father to redeem man. When Jesus asked His disciples "who do you say that I am?" He commended Peter on his response. " Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Mat 16:16
---Josef on 8/14/11


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Reba has explained it very well for you Andy.

I believe Andy is from Holland.

Here is the contradiction(Oxymoron). It was in the Title.

"Reject Christ And Still Christian"
---John on 8/13/11


Jesus is God the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity. Without one there cannot be another. Only by the exceptance of the Son will the Spirit be delivered giving you the truth and Knowledge that you seek. God Bless!
---Chris on 8/14/11


Andy,I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic in asking about oxymoron so just in case you were serious here goes:-)))-- an oxymoron is a rhetorical figure in which contradictory terms are combined as in--- deafening silence & a mournful optimist.
In plain English---it's a phrase that contradicts itself, or an expression which in itself contains a contradiction.
---Reba on 8/13/11


Andy, anytime you want a definition of a word all you have to do is use a search engine and type define:(the word) In this case define:oxymoron, and you will get a definition of the word.
---Bruce5656 on 8/13/11


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Jim, sorry I was just responding to a blog. I know no one can be saved except thru Jesus Christ. I was responding to a blog that suggest a certain denomination has all the dibs on salvation and heaven. I have never said that nor do I believe that. Anyone who calls on the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved.
---shira_3877 on 8/13/11


AN OXYMORON!
Can anyone define this word to me?
---andy3996 on 8/13/11


AN OXYMORON!
---John on 8/12/11


JIM, isn't this what shira said, only faith in Jesus?
---andy3996 on 8/12/11


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shira....scripture is very clear on how to obtain eternal life......Jesus says in john 6:40 that it is the Fathers will that everyone who looks to the son and believes in him will have eternal life....there is no other way to be saved. There is no other name by which we must be saved.
---JIM on 8/12/11


anyone who rejects Christ is rejecting the Father. There are saved souls in every denomination. Just because someone does not believe the way I do or worship the way I do does not mean they are not saved. I am what I am because of my belief.
---shira_3877 on 8/12/11


a phrase used for any religious group that believs that only by joining "their theology one might be saved.
I wanted to say more but after trying ten times i realised that with everything i say i cannot stay nice. therfore all i say is that you should read Galatians once in the sense as if it was written to you
MY God will reveal everything to you if you are serious, as i see about worshipping in spirit and truths
---andy3996 on 8/12/11


''Jehovah's using only one organisation today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we MUST identify that organisation and serve God as part of it.'' (The Watchtower, 2/15/83, p. 12)

Come on Scott, we know you and the other one million other JWs believe this.

So why don't you be an honest man and publicly support it?
---Marc on 8/12/11


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"The select saints?"
---scott on 8/11/11


Catholicos = General

was used by all cHristian to define the GENERAL CHRISTIAN FAITH. this was so before the "Roman Catholic Church" became the "Only Catholic Church".
so now scott you know something as well.
by the way in what is THE JW different they claim to be "the select saints"
---andy3996 on 8/11/11


Paul, you probably did not read my last blog, and you didn't really understand my question either.
on these blogs it's not the title but the context. the titles are added by the moderators and however they do a great job someties the title doesn't fit the Question.
---andy3996 on 8/11/11


"You must indeed...see to it that the faithful have fixed firmly in their minds this dogma of our most holy religion, namely: the absolute necessity of the Catholic faith for attaining salvation." Ven. Pope Pius IX

"Whoever wishes to be saved needs, above everything else, to hold the Catholic faith. Unless each one preserves this faith whole and inviolate he will perish in eternity, without a doubt." Pope Eugene IV

"This true Catholic faith, outside which no one can be saved..." Vatican I, Papal Oath
---scott on 8/11/11


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Scott Part 3,

The Fathers likewise affirm the possibility of salvation for those who lived before Christ and who were not part of Israel, the Old Testament People of God.

However, for those who knowingly and deliberately (that is, not out of innocent ignorance) commit the sins of heresy (rejecting divinely revealed doctrine) or schism (separating from the Catholic Church and/or joining a schismatic church), no salvation would be possible until they repented and returned to live in Catholic unity.

BTW I'm not Catholic but I feel you've misrepresented them.

However, there is no misrepresentation of your belief that there is no salvation outside of The Watchtower, something you won't admit publicly.
---Marc on 8/10/11


//I like the incomplete analogy of ice and liquid water. Both have the same basics (hydrogen and oxygen) just different forms.//

Modality is not a mystery. Godliness is (1Ti 3:16). so, those human terms may not be a good way to try to express Godliness either.

In the Faith Of Jesus Christ blog, you quoted part of the Athanasian Creed:

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith, Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

However, you capitalized Catholic Faith, which implies the establishment of the Catholic religion.

not capitalized, it means universal Christian faith.
---aka on 8/10/11


The Bible is clear that if you reject Jesus as God a.k.a. the TRINITY (Father, Son, Holy Spirit in one) then you do NOT belong to God, but to the devil, and you have a spirit of anti-Christ.
---Leslie on 8/10/11


Andy
Jesus is the door way to god the Father.

Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

You must go through Jesus to get to the Father.

Paul
---paul on 8/10/11


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"Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in."
Michael Corleone
---scott on 8/10/11


however this is not a trinity question perse, yet most formulate more or less equally who Jesus is as divinity concerns.
and this was my purpose, i knew most of us agree on the foundations of our FAITH.
and it feels good that people who normally very viciously disagree, all agree upon HIM THAT WAS PIERCED
UNITED IN CHRIST
---andy3996 on 8/10/11


Is this a trinity question?
Yes Jesus and God the Father are the same thing. I like the incomplete analogy of ice and liquid water. Both have the same basics (hydrogen and oxygen) just different forms. 2) Is Jesus your savior and do you have faith that he has washed away your sins, Then you are a christian. Trying to figure out the trinity is complicated and useless. There are more important issues like pride, selfishness, that we have to deal with on this side of eternity.
---Scott1 on 8/10/11


Jesus is God. He said, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father."

If anyone rejects Jesus Christ as GOD, then God will reject them into His Kingdom.

A person isn't a Christian if they are rejecting Jesus Christ...is that what you're asking?
---Donna5535 on 8/10/11


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If you deny Christ is God you are NOT a Christian, and even have an anti-Christ spirit in you (1 John 2:22-23, 4:2-3,15, 5:1,5, 2 John 7).
---Leslie on 8/10/11


The Son and Logos, Who was incarnate and took the name Jesus, is in His divine nature of the same essence/substance as the Father, and therefore is equally God, as He was begotten by the Father.

The same can be said about the Holy Spirit, Who proceeds from the Father.

To reject these doctrines might make you a heretical Christian at best.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/11


John 10:30- I and my Father are one.
John 14:9-Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, & yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me has hath seen the Father, & how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Rom. 3:22- Even the righteousness of God which is faith of Jesus Christ unto all & upon all them that believe: for there is no difference.
---Reba on 8/10/11


"'For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.'" (John 5:22-23) So, our Father expects us to honor Jesus "just as they honor the Father"! This sounds like They are equal. But positions are not the same. Difference of positions does not make people unequal (c: And in a family, ones have different positions and roles, but all are equal. God is Family . . . Father and Son and Holy Spirit, all Persons of the same one love > "God is love" (1 John 4:8 & 16). So, Christians need to honor Jesus as we honor our Father.
---Bill_willa6989 on 8/10/11


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Jesus said I and my Father are one John 10:30. It says also in the Bible there are the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost and these three are one. You cannot take them apart,either you believe in all or you have none. Jesus also said I am in the F ather and the Father is in me John 10:38. Jesus is God's Word made flesh,a persons Word is a part of them always.
---Darlene_1 on 8/10/11


Without Christ it is impossible to be a Christian.

He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. reminds us of Luke 10:16, John 8:42, and 1 John 2:23.

"and he who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me. Luke 10:16

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---mima on 8/10/11


No. I say that because when a person confesses Jesus as Lord the Holy Spirit comes and abides in them. The Holy Spirit will teach and reveal the truth to them. (Romans 10:9-10)
---Rickey on 8/10/11


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