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"Earth is a [verifying ground], place and a time for[adam-mankind-sons in adm] to decide whom they will Love and follow-[whomsover] A will to follow God or satan."
Char you have just given the main reason for this earth age, and man being created in the flesh, the freedom of unadulterated choice. Satan deceived some of Father's children into bowing to him in the age past, will again deceive some, in that same way, in this age, and will be given yet another opportunity to deceive, even at the end of the millennial age.
"However: The elect were already predestined before the foundation of this world." Yes, predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son. Through a complete submission of will to HIm.
---joseph on 9/3/11


Mat_5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat_11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
---TheSeg on 9/3/11


Francis:
You miss what Jesus did on the cross.

You obsess about keeping 10 commandments to prove we're believers, yet YOU fail to perfectly keep them. To offend in ONE point you are GUILTY of ALL.

BUT, what the law could not do, in that it was WEAK through the flesh, God sending His own Son...condemned sin in the flesh". Our old man is crucified.

The law is "SPIRITUAL" Rom7:14, so why do you insist our WEAK flesh can somehow meet the demands to PERFECTLY keep this law?

Most here are not teaching to break commandments. They're saying the flesh is WEAK and not able to perfectly keep them. Hence the cross, "that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us" Rom8:4
---Haz27 on 9/3/11


francis //Don't forget to ask about the other 600+ laws...

Is one word of God more important than another? Is the 10 commandments more important than what else God has commanded?

They asked Jesus what was the most important commandment in the Law and He did not point to any of the 10 commandments. Mt 22:36f

Poor Adventists, they center their entire religious system on observing the 10 commandments to merit their eternal salvation.
---leej on 9/3/11


Don't forget to ask about the other 600+ laws...
'Whole law' does mean 'whole law' after all...
No cherry picking now...
---micha9344 on 9/3/11




Francis, let say a man believe God is saying something he isn't.
Wouldn't this be worshiping a false God?
And wouldn't this man also be doing all the things you just put down here?
Without, knowing it?
---TheSeg on 9/3/11


//"University of Cambridge professor and New Testament language scholar, Dr. C. F. D. Moule writes that Heb. 1:8 may be "construed so as to mean Thy throne is God"- p. 32, An Idiom Book of NT Greek, Cambridge University Press, 1990.

[This translation is quite doubtful since 1) in the context the Son is being constrasted with the angels, and is presented as far better than they.... 2) the (Greek) construction that connects v. 7 with v. 8 clearly lays out this contrast "on one hand, he says of the angels...on the other hand he says of the Son". (see NETB annotated notes for more detail explanation.)

Thus Hebrew 1:8 is a strong affirmation of the deity of Christ.
---leej on 9/3/11


James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

So we must ask ourself, " Am I guilty of offending in ONE point, and which LOWLIFE told me I was free to offernd in ONE point?"

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least ( LOWLIFE) in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---Francis on 9/3/11


Francis:
I can see where your coming from but as SDA's also fail and offend in more than even ONE point they are guilty of ALL.

We all fall short of PERFECTLY keeping the commandments. After all the law is SPIRITUAL (Rom 7:14) and it was WEAK through the FLESH.
And God sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.(Rom 8:3).

We regard no one according in the flesh anymore. If any man be in Christ he is a new creature 2Cor 5:16,17.

Judging each others failings through the weak flesh is missing the point that by faith our old man has died and we're a new creature.

The old man cant PERFECTLY keep the law. Don't resurrect him.
---Haz27 on 9/3/11


joseph-Amen.
Here's a topic I would love to converse with you regarding "free-will". I appreciate what Y'hvah has shown you.
My understanding: God's Will is the definitive will to be done:
in adam all shall die, in Christ all shall live, 1 Cor 15:22-28, Eph 1:10.

(Parellel)
Y'hvah gave [His Word in flesh] Y'sha the Christ-as paymant and Savior. At the same Hasatan is allowed an equal chance to deceive-again. Earth is a [verifying ground], place and a time for[adam-mankind-sons in adm] to decide whom they will Love and follow-[whomsover] A will to follow God or satan.
God shows the True way- to timeless existance within Him.
However: The elect were already predestined before the foundation of this world.
---char on 9/3/11




Offending in ONE point you are guilty of all, --Haz27 on 9/2/11

This is a question that you must ask yourself.

You need to ask youself: " IS Haz27 GUILTY OF OFFENDING IN ONE POINT?"

CLearly Haz27 does not worship other gods, nor does Haz27 take God's name in vain, neither does Haz27 dishonour his parents or commit murder. Haz27 does not worship idols, nor does Haz27 commit adultery. Haz27 does not eat blood nor does Haz27 partake of idol worship. Haz27 does not bare false witness nor does he steal. So clearly Haz27 does keep the law.

You need to ask Haz27 whether or not Haz27 keeps THE WHOLE LAW or does Haz27 offend in ONE POINT
---Francis on 9/3/11


Haz, I do not believe John was saying Jesus' followers would never sin.

Gill's commentary on 1 John 3:6-9 says "not that he has no sin in him, or lives without sin, but he does not live in sin,...whosoever sinneth, which is not to be understood of a single action, but of a course of sinning."

So I believe it is incorrect to write "SDA doctrine clearly contradicts God when He says Christians CANNOT sin and those who do sin are OF THE DEVIL."

Barnes Notes agree "Whosoever sinneth... habitually, deliberately, characteristically, and finally."

Those who claim to be Christian but habitually, and deliberately sin by opposing God's commands are not Christian.
---Warwick on 9/3/11


"University of Cambridge professor and New Testament language scholar, Dr. C. F. D. Moule writes that Heb. 1:8 may be "construed so as to mean Thy throne is God"- p. 32, An Idiom Book of NT Greek, Cambridge University Press, 1990.

An American Translation (Smith-Goodspeed), renders it: "God is your throne...."
---scott on 9/1/11
That's interesting. I once heard someone speak on ' the center of the throne is the Lamb', If I recall, he referenced rev 5:6, rev 7:9=17, rev 22:1, maybe more...
---Chria9396 on 9/3/11


Francis:
You are so focused on the law (and fail to perfectly keep it) that you miss what God says.

You claim that those who do not keep the commandments are not Christian. Yet we see SDA's fail on commandment keeping.

1John3:6-9 says those born of God CANNOT sin. Anyone who does sin is of the devil.

But you say believers "desire" not to sin again.

SDA doctrine clearly contradicts God when He says Christians CANNOT sin and those who do sin are OF THE DEVIL.

Offending in ONE point you are guilty of all, thus SDA's are guilty of ALL commandments. They are condemned through their own doctrine.

But God says there is NO condemnation to those in Christ Jesus Rom8:1

---Haz27 on 9/2/11


francis //If you break ONE you are guilty of ALL

Yes, as far as the law is concerned, we all stand guilty.

Howbeit, you may note that there are OT laws that are not applicable to Gentile believers. One such OT law was the requirement for males to become physically circumcised.

And you will not find anything in the New Covenant commands the observance of any day such as the Jewish Sabbath.

Good sense should tell you if we had to observe the OT sabbath we would see it commanded in the Epistles as well as in the writing of the early church but we do not.

Keep wondering why you refuse to accept the plain truth on this issue. Perhaps the spirit that dwells within you does not desire truth.
---leej on 9/2/11


Nana:
I see you avoided the inconvenient scriptures I posted that oppose your SDA doctrine.

Do you sin?
If so you are of the devil 1John3:8 and are not righteous 1Pet4:18.

But the law is written on our hearts. We do them "naturally".
What makes you think they have to be "Learned"?

I suggest keeping to scriptural points instead of assumptions/false allegations about my answers to you.

---Haz27 on 9/2/11


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Are you PERFECTLY keeping the law?
Remember James 2:10 Whoever shall keep the law and offends in ONE point is guilty of all.

---Haz27 on 9/2/11
YOU need to ask yourself:

Haz27 if you are honouring your father and mother, and not taking God's name in vain, not commiting murder, not worshiping false gods, then you are keeping the law. Now if you are keeping these laws then you must also keep ALL

1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Do not Dishonor our father & mother.
6. Do not Murder.
7. Do not Commit adultery.
8. Do not Steal.
9. Do not Lie.
10. Do not Covet.

If you break ONE you are guilty of ALL
---Francis on 9/2/11


Haz27 ,
Why are you floundering?

Christ said "... if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Also, "... depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

One more time:
Does Christ require that we learn and follow those commandments
and flee from iniquity?

Why can't you answer the question? I am not talking but of that
which Christ said. It is you fixated on 'law'.

Do not get cute nor ridiculous with "offend in one point",
how about Paul who teach compliance
with 'Honor Father and Mother" (
Ephesians 6:2 "Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,))
yet he is not teaching circumcision to Gentiles.?
---Nana on 9/2/11


Nana:
Matt19:17 speaks of 10 commandments.
But no one is justified by works of the law Gal 2:16.

Rom7:14 says the law is SPIRITUAL.
And Rom 8:3 "what the law could NOT DO...it was WEAK through the FLESH".

Jesus correctly said to "enter into life keep the commandments". But man, being weak flesh, could not keep the spiritual law.

Are you PERFECTLY keeping the law?
Remember James 2:10 Whoever shall keep the law and offends in ONE point is guilty of all.

Note Matt 19:21 when young man asked "What LACK I yet?
Jesus said, if you want to be "PERFECT", "follow him".

Heb 10:14 "By one offering he has PERFECTED forever them that are sanctified".
---Haz27 on 9/2/11


Trav

I think you have judged me hastily.

I do not sell anything to anybody about love.

I teach the love language series which is totally derived from and has supporting scriptures.

I have NEVER ONCE charged anyone for this seminar.

My wife wrote a book about her struggles and how God brought her back to wholeness.

And I can assure you she has given far more away then she has ever sold, a ratio of 25 to 1 I would say.

That doesn't even cover production coast, and that's not a complaint we are glad He made a way to put it in the hands of people.

And I can produce scriptures to back up anything I say, anytime you doubt that simply ask.
---paul on 9/2/11


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"joseph, thank you for your replies" You are quite welcome chris9398, It is always my pleasure. "there is only one truth, and that I wish to know as well as share." Yes, and Jesus is that Truth. His word, is true.
---joseph on 9/2/11


Correction Francis. It says Repentance from dead WORKS, not "sin, and desire never to sin again" as you claim.
---Haz27 on 9/1/11
REALLY REALLY YA KIDING or what? Not from sin, just dead works LOL.
---Francis on 9/2/11


Warwick - The word used for God in Exodus 7:1 is Elohim. and you are correct in context.

That is the whole point of one Godliness made of three. Yahweh (one member of Elohim) told Moses that He has made him like Godliness truly is to Pharaoh, who thinks he is a living god.

it is true that i am not a trinitarian in the strict sense of the word (one God, three persons) and i do not mind being called a polytheist or anything else that they like to twist. i do not believe in three Gods. there is nowhere that i have ever said that.

i believe in three spirits that make up one Godliness or one Kingdom or one Divinity. one spirit (Jesus) came to us (Immanuel - God(liness) with us). Thy Kingdom come.
---aka on 9/2/11


joseph, thank you for your replies. I never accuse another of error. The next mans understanding is as valid in his mind, as my own is in mine. I simply share Its wise not to accuse Although ones understanding is valid is his/her own mind, there is only one truth, and that I wish to know as well as share. "If you find fault, scripturally, with anything I share, share it. I am always open."I know you are open, and thats appreciated. I have found your posts to be sound, scripturally based, even revelatory, and amidst much confusion, and falsehood, that is needed. Bless you
---chris9398 on 9/2/11


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"But the believers works are found in John6:28,29, "believe on the one He has sent".
We are saved by grace, not works of the law.
You cant mix law and grace."
---Haz27 on 9/1/11

Yet Christ said "... if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Also, "... depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

So Haz (e), what commandments is he talking about? Work iniquity?
What is iniquity? Is it one action or many which fall under the label
iniquity?

Does Christ require that we learn and follow those commandments
and flee from iniquity?
---Nana on 9/2/11


Francis said:
"Hebrews 6:1 "...let us go on unto perfection, not laying again the foundation of REPENTANCE from dead works,"
1:REPENTANCE from current sin, and desire never to sin again."

Correction Francis. It says Repentance from dead WORKS, not "sin, and desire never to sin again" as you claim.

The dead works is justification by works of law.

But the believers works are found in John6:28,29, "believe on the one He has sent".
We are saved by grace, not works of the law.
You cant mix law and grace.
---Haz27 on 9/1/11


Scott your deviousness knows no bounds.

In Genesis we are told Elohim is the Creator. But you would have us believe Moses is also this very same Elohim! In reality Exodus 7:1 reads "Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet." That God has made Moses "like God to Pharaoh" certainly does not make Moses God.

As Gill's Commentary says "Aaron was to stand between Moses and the people, and speak for him, and Moses was to stand between God and Aaron, and in God's stead..."

It is all about context Scott.
---Warwick on 9/1/11


Hey, AKA is Scott right are you a nonTrinitarian with three Gods?

He has got to be right about something.

Let us know.

BTW folks the word is belief/s not believe/s i.e. I believe, he believes Jesus is God the Son. My belief is that Jesus is God the Son. His beliefs are different.

And I would appreciate comment if I am using word/s incorrectly.
---Warwick on 9/1/11


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"Meaning Of Son Of God" blog". aka

1. On the same blog you said that "Elohim - plural for those of the Divinity."

I missed your response when I pointed out that Moses was called 'Elohim' at Exodus 7:1. Is Moses was one "of those of Divinity"?

2. When you say "Hey Trinitarians", you are excluding yourself right?

Several times you've stated your believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three separate Gods and that you are ok being considered a polytheist.

Isn't it interesting that your views (completely 'heretical according to 'orthodox' Trinitarians) go unchallenged by them here as long as you are in the Anti-Witness camp?

Fascinating stuff.
---scott on 9/1/11


FROM CORE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE

These are the core/ principle doctrines of christ. christians

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection, not laying again the foundation of REPENTANCE from dead works, and of FAITH toward God,
Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of BAPTISM, and of LAYING ON OF HANDS, and of RESURRECTION of the dead, and of eternal JUDGMENT.

1:REPENTANCE from current sin, and desire never to sin again.
2:FAITH IN GOD-as creator and redeemer
3: BAPTISM- water and spirit,
4: LAYING ON OF HANDS, ordination, consecration ( right hand of fellowship)
4: RESURRECTION
5: JUDGMENT LIFE ETERNAL OR DEATH ETERNAL
---Francis on 9/1/11


Aka, they sure do. Now I'm hearing the same believes from within the Christian faith. I have been answering to this subject over and over but really, it takes faith. I can understand some who don't understand the Trinity to say things they think is right, but it is another when they preach it and fight against the Deity of Christ. That to me takes the cake. Of course many don't know how to express what they believe, I know so many that don't. That is ok because maybe later it will be reveal to them for flesh and blood cannot do that, only the Father can reveal it to them through the Holy Spirit by faith. It is wrong when they teach against it and sound like they know. That is the spirit of the antichrist.
---Mark_V. on 9/1/11


from "Meaning Of Son Of God" blog - Hey, trinitarians, let us read a wonderful book "together". let us reason by taking one sentence that is a mixture of ancient Hebrew and several languages that end in English at face value. Then, throw out the next sentence not using the same criteria for analysis that was used on the former. one sentence is pure as it is. yet, the other sentence right beside it is false and must be explained away by many scholars. so, let us show you "what the Bible really teaches".

Sound familiar? Doesn't the the Watchtower Society have a circular with this title?
---aka on 8/27/11


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"Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, Who hath sent His angel, delivered His servants that trusted in Him, changed the kings word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God."

"Stand when facing the image of Babylon".

Yes Char, Amen. We are most definitely on the same page:o) After which "He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." And His redeemed shall stand with HIm on the mount of Olives. Right in the midst of His wrath, as it is pour out upon the wicked. Mat 24:31>Zec 14:4,5
---joseph on 8/26/11


"So is this (your understanding of rapture) not unequivocal in your mind" Yes, it is. And it is not an opinion, It is my understanding based on what I have read scripturally, and that which I believe has been reveal to me via The Holy Spirit. Just as the understanding of the next man, who may disagree is based on what he has read, and believes to be revelation. I never accuse another of error. The next mans understanding is as valid in his mind, as my own is in mine. I simply share.
"That is why previously I stated I was unsure about rapture. Much can be head knowledge, I do want it deeper then that." Understood Chria9396 . If you find fault, scripturally, with anything I share, share it. I am always open.
---joseph on 8/26/11


//6 vial, the 6 seal, and the 6 trump.---joseph on 8/25/11//
Completely Got this...helps understanding idoms, gematria, and chiastic structure.
Dan 3:26-28...And the princes, governers, and captains, and the kings counsellers, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of the fire had passed on them....Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, Who hath sent His angel, delivered His servants that trusted in Him, changed the kings word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.

Stand when facing the image of Babylon.

Blessings to you.
---char on 8/26/11


joseph, The truth of the gospel frees man from condemnation, guilt, fear, Hate, anxiety, cruelty, faithlessness and selfishness. If what one believes frees him from such, then that one knows the truth." True
"I did not say that what they were teaching were errors," Ok, sorry, my mistake. "I simply understood some things differently." So is this (your understanding of rapture) not unequivocal in your mind or opinion?? I'm thinking that as we have revelation by the Spirit, we KNOW something to be a truth, so I assumed this, but many things we may believe may not be revelatory. That is why previously I stated I was unsure about rapture. Much can be head knowledge, I do want it deeper then that.
---chria9396 on 8/26/11


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"Many will be nursing the false word/anti.Lk21:23" Exactly Char. I agree with your post entirely. The verse is indeed connected to the "Anti-Christ", and those who will have departed from the faith, to "give heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils," This is not a criticism of anyone, but rather an admonishment to everyone to watch and pray to avoid entering into that temptation. The number of the beast is 666. His deception will occur during the 6 vial, the 6 seal, and the 6 trump. Which will all run concurrently. The Elect are called to stand against His deception. And watchmen such as yourself a called to give warning concerning his imminent arrival, and seductive deception. Bless you.
---joseph on 8/25/11


joseph, I'm enlighten with all your post.Here's what I see as witness,learning more Hebrew, your imput will be appreciated.
The Elect stand against the spurious/anti/christ who comes at the sixth trump with brilliant supernatural powers bringing peace and deceiving many,However,the Last Trump [seven Trumps total Rev 8:7-11:19,13:12-15] the true Christ Y'sha comes. Many will be nursing the false word/anti.Lk21:23
"Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not." Lk 12:40,1Thes 5:1-4
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.For when they shall say, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child...
---char on 8/25/11


Warwick you asked me:
"What is this law which is written upon our hearts? Does it contradict the 10 Commandments?"

Answer: No, as it is the 10 commandments.
PLEASE NOTE Rom 7:14 "the law is SPIRITUAL".
This SPIRITUAL law is written upon our hearts.
Our SPIRITUAL man does them naturally.

My question to you is why do you think our "dead" physical "old man" can perfectly keep that SPIRITUAL law?
You judge that such people are not Christians because they transgress the law, being unable to keep it perfectly like the SPIRIT man can.

We walk by faith. Believe God when He says you are a new creation. Regard no one according to the flesh
2Cor 5:16.
---Haz27 on 8/25/11


James (Meaning of Son)

Whether you appreciate it or not I am stating my analysis. I have given you more than enough evidence to convince an unbiais person, yet you continue on.

Simple answer to your questions without contorting anything, Gen 22 Abraham broke Gods covenantal plan therefore Ishmael was not acknowledged as his son but as the son of the bond servant which is a picture of you no longer being an heir or servant to sin.

And in Matt 6:9 Jesus taught the disciples to pray OUR FATHER who art in Heaven because they were all heirs of God and members of the family of God, therefore God is their Father just as He is our Father and just as He was Jesus Father in Lu 2:49 as a child.
Now for your answers

---paul on 8/25/11


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"Those churches you attended, were they not receptive to hearing something contrary to what was believed? No.
"Were there other errors in teaching?" I did not say that what they were teaching were errors, I simply understood some things differently.
"If knowing a truth requires such deep digging,.... where do they stand? In Christ. In His own words "If you abide in My word, you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
"Does error in belief in rapture negate the basic gospel?" No.
The truth of the gospel frees man from condemnation, guilt, fear, Hate, anxiety, cruelty, faithlessness and selfishness. If what one believes frees him from such, then that one knows the truth.
---joseph on 8/25/11


"God will set those ensnared free, ultimately trust all to Him..."
Amen Chria9396 Of that, there is no doubt. He is the only one who can.
---joseph on 8/25/11


joseph, Good info, thank you. I see Eze 13"19-23 speaks of those lying to Gods people... God is against their magic charms. God will set those ensnared free, then it will be known that God is God. Those "churches" you attended, were they not receptive to hearing something contrary to what was believed? Were there other errors in teaching? Again, my concern is for believers. I know many who believe in the rapture and many who do not. It seems that both, have solid beliefs in other areas. If knowing a truth requires such deep digging into the Word, and all do not/cannot dig as deep, where do they stand? Does error in belief in rapture negate the basic gospel? God will set those ensnared free, ultimately trust all to Him...
---chria9396 on 8/25/11


"When you wrote "The on line version, that has been altered to adhere to recent dogmas will not suffice." I took it to mean in this instance, but did you mean in general?" I meant in general. The online version has taken a lot of liberties with the originally copy-written version. Adding what was not there, and sometimes removing what was. If not for the word 'night' and the fact that the word "corpse" was used in the same conversation in Mat. 24:28. I might not have search any deeper than that which was written in the KJV, also associating that parable with the rapture being taught in the "churches" I attended. Eze 13:19-23 and related verses in the KJV really open my eyes concerning the so called rapture
---joseph on 8/24/11


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Christ is our passover.
Why would we replace him with another sacrifice?
---CraigA on 8/24/11
HOW IGNORANT!

Who is sacrificing at Passover??? That was 2000 years ago.

It is amazing how you APOSTATES get so picky and Holy when its about anything from the G-ds OT.

BUTT!!!!

ALL OF YOU... could care less about the Pagan Origin of Easter and her goddess Ishtar. You worship Easter without the sligtest reservation or question!

YET....

I HEAR NOTHING BUT A DIATRIBE OF DIARRHEA AS TO WHY YOU JUST WILL "NOT" OBSERVE PASSOVER!

G-D WILL NOT BE MOCKED BY APOSTATES!!!
---John on 8/24/11


joseph, Reread everything, more clear now. "Where the 'body' (corpse, as that which represents death) is, there the vultures [as those that feed on death] will be gathered together." Luke 17:37 i recall as a new Christian, the concept of rapture was new to me. I never felt sure about the whole idea of rapture. I believe when reading verses 34-37 in past, I had a version that read 'eagles' instead of vultures. I think the only reference to 'eagles' I was familiar with was being lifted up on wings of eagles, which could give one a different interpretation.
When you wrote "The on line version, that has been altered to adhere to recent dogmas will not suffice." I took it to mean in this instance, but did you mean in general?
---chria9396 on 8/23/11


Yea francis! But you left out a few words in your Galatians 2:16.
"even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified!"

Read on!
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God!


John 8:11 Jesus said unto her, go and sin no more.
Will, did she? What do you think she found?

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid:
No! The law should bring you to an understanding!
---TheSeg on 8/22/11


I look forward to it Chria9396. Always a pleasure to share with you.
---joseph on 8/20/11


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joseph "that is why I am careful not to even attempt to judge the salvation of another." that is wise, and i guess you know I agree based on the rest of what you wrote.
Came to say I wanted to post part 2, which did not get posted, however, I went through all my notes on computer and I did not find. I did have it and lots more typed out, but must have neglected to save. May get back to it at some point if I remember...
---chria9396 on 8/20/11


"While sad, at least saved is consolation seeing there are so many believers, so many variations in doctrines, individuality" Yes, Chria9396, that is why I am careful not to even attempt to judge the salvation of another. Especially one who has willing profess Jesus as Lord of their salvation. As you quoted in an earlier post. "Who [am I] to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that He stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Master is able to make him stand." Rom 14:4
---joseph on 8/19/11


joseph, thank you for the distinctions, which line up with what I believed...

"Unfortunately these, although saved, may be found naked, and ashamed." While sad, at least saved is consolation seeing there are so many believers, so many variations in doctrines, individuality...so as you previously said, watch and pray.
---chria9396 on 8/19/11


".. not true believers.."

John 13:34_35: "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."

Note that it is a commandment and not an imputation, neither of Love or disposition (we bring in the disposition in accepting and them
fulfilling the command).

Matthew 24:12 "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."

Only 'true believers' follow the command and enact that love. It is 'believers' love who shall wax cold.
---Nana on 8/19/11


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".. not true believers.."
Chria9396, tares have indeed been sown among the wheat. These intentionally, or perhaps unknowingly mislead believers. When I use the word believer, as in the called, I am referring to those who have come to believe, and confess, that Jesus is indeed Lord and Savior, yet may be uncertain concerning the fact that He died for all our sin, and was raised for our justification. And because of some tares, as pastors and leaders, could come to believe that the work of The Christ was some how insufficent, and that one must do this, or that, in order to be righteous. Thus sincerely go about attempting to establish their own righteousness. Unfortunately these, although saved, may be found naked, and ashamed.
---joseph on 8/18/11


Paul, feel free to be as condescending as you want. It matters not to me.
---NurseRobert on 8/18/11

It does matter to me, if you are a Christian you are my brother and I desire to see you as such and treat you as such.

My quotes were from three sources of which I lifted their original quotes from the source, I don't desire slanted facts.

And I did say and mean Republicans.

We must cut this enormous governmental spending to secure our debt crisis.

Raising taxes generates short term revenues which quickly exhaust under the pressure of over spending.

You cant spend your way out of debt, you have to adjust your budget to your income and weigh it on a cost to spending ratio and adhere to it.

---paul on 8/18/11


Paul, feel free to be as condescending as you want. It matters not to me. You choose to get your information from right wing sources. I try to get mine from the original source, reading and interpreting what was written, not what some biased reporter wants me to believe.

Im sure you meant the republicans stood their ground to KEEP tax cuts. In the end, there will have to be tax increases or other forms of revenue enhancement to deal with this deficit.

My "party loyalty" is no different than yours. I recognize that there has to be fundamental changes in how we do business, we just see it from different points of view.
---NurseRobert on 8/18/11


Nure
I was a bit condescending heir an I apologize for that.

But the S & P stated this was due to not enough spending being cut from the current plan to assure financial security in the future.

Democrats and Republicans alike played a role in that.

And, I as well as alot of Americans, am very pleased that the Republicans stood their ground and did not give in to tax cuts that would do more damage to an already unstable economy.

I know you must realize that but your party loyalty wont permit you to voice it, and I understand, but common since has to rule the day and someone has to apply it.

I'm not enamored with house Rep most of which are RHINOs anyway, but I am glad they held the line here.


---paul on 8/18/11


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Nurse

As I previously stated, and my quote was a S & P quote sited by the journalist,that it was Obamas lack of reaching the 4 trillion needed to secure their standard.

The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the governments medium-term debt dynamics, S & P said in a statement late yesterday after markets closed.

Nurse you cant spin this with me and you know it, so don't even try.

Paul
---paul on 8/17/11


Paul, previously, you quoted everyone but the orginal source, Standard and Poors.

The VERY FIRST line in their rational: We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process.

They further stated: ...majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues..

Try reading the orginial source, you can learn alot.
---Nurse_Robert on 8/17/11


joseph, "Many are called, but few are chosen. Some believers indeed will be deceived."
Then it seems that they are not true believers but maybe tares

"if someone says come, Christ is here, or there, His called are not to follow. There are believers that believe they will be "raptured" before The spurious messiah is revealed. Because of this they are likely to believe this imposer to be The "real Christ"." i see that. Yet there is still hope for them up until that point...notice your use of the word likely and you are still using called, not chosen...
---chria9396 on 8/16/11


Part 3 "Death as it is used here is synonymous with Satan, The Anti-Christ, as one who stands deceptively in the stead of Christ. Just as Life is synonymous with The True Christ. 'There' [standing before death] shall not an hair of [the elect's] head perish." Luke 21:18
OK! and WOW!
the elect's 'senses' [as organs of perceptions] has been removed, or withdrawn, with regard to the discernment of both good, and evil. To walk by faith, and not by sight. Which is what is truely being conveyed in Hbr. 5:14,"
Interesting, took me a while to process, but ok. Thank you, many questions answered here, also many since I first read through your post briefly.
---chria9396 on 8/16/11


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donna5535, I would send you a private e mail but I took my profile off christianet. my husband was exposed to agent orange in vietnam. he was stationed where it was stored. the effects of agent orange are not known quickly. he had not felt well for several years. in april 07, he was attemping to break his baby colt. the horse rared back and his rib hit the fence. It was almost as if something was unleashed. He also got a tumor on the outside of his right lung and when he passed away it was the size of a football. I wonder how long the cancer would have lay dormant if he had not cracked his rib. Thanks for the hugs. Thanks for your prayers. I cope just one day at a time. God bless
---shira3877 on 8/16/11


Thank you joseph, I'd love to see the painting. Thank you too for your answer to my question. Distinctions to be made between believers, true believers, unbelievers, called, chosen, saved, unsaved....truly had something do with what I was questioning, and you (perceptively) answered accordingly. I've made many notes, looked up references, prayed about this for the last hour or so, and hope to be back later to share and ask more. I have a burden for some I know and love, especially my children, and I don't want to see any of them deceived.
---chria9396 on 8/16/11


"If you paint the picture, would you send me a photo and share with me?" It would be my pleasure.
"How small we are compared to God's creation and especially HIM."
Small indeed. "The nations of the world are but a drop in the bucket. They are nothing more than dust on the scales. He picks up the whole earth as though it were a grain of sand." Isa 40:15 NLT
Chria9396 since this is a "finish it here blog" I will address your question to me "do you think it possible for the elect to be deceived?" The answer to that of course is no. However not all believers are 'the elect'. Many are called, but few are chosen. Some believers indeed will be deceived. Cont.
---joseph on 8/16/11


Chria9396, That is why we are admonished to watch and pray, and as it is written, if someone says come, Christ is here, or there, His called are not to follow. There are believers that believe they will be "raptured" before The spurious messiah is revealed. Because of this they are likely to believe this imposer to be The "real Christ". In the words of Jesus "I tell you, in that 'night' (a time for deeds of sin and shame) there will be two men in 'one bed': (representing a mindset inclined towards the deception) the one will be 'taken' [by the deceiver] and the other will be 'left' (sent forth, as a witness against him)". Luke 17:34 has been used in an attempt to verify the "rapture",...cont2.
---joseph on 8/16/11


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2)....but in reality it speaks against it. The elect "are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness." 1Th 5:5 The elect will not be taken "In that night". When Jesus was asked where are those taken "in that night" taken. He said "Where the 'body' (corpse, as that which represents death) is, there the vultures [as those that feed on death] will be gathered together." Luke 17:37
It is written that "brother will betray brother to death." Death as it is used here is synonymous with Satan, The Anti-Christ, as one who stands deceptively in the stead of Christ. Just as Life is synonymous with The True Christ. Cont3
---joseph on 8/16/11


3). " 'There' [standing before death] shall not an hair of [the elect's] head perish." Luke 21:18
P.S. You are probably asking what is the difference between the called, and the chosen? The answer is the elect's 'senses' [as organs of perceptions] has been removed, or withdrawn, with regard to the discernment of both good, and evil. To walk by faith, and not by sight. Which is what is truely being conveyed in Hbr. 5:14, and can be verified by defining the words "senses, exercised, and to" in the original lanquage used, and taken to their root. Using the originally copywritten Strongs in book form. The on line version, that has been altered to adher to recent dogmas will not suffice.
---joseph on 8/16/11


joseph, You are quite welcome. I enjoy sharing blessings. If you paint the picture, would you send me a photo and share with me? I was recently in Cape Cod with family and we always spend an evening at the Brewster flats, on the bay side of the Cape for a sunset. The beach extends as far as you can see in either direction, east or west and you can see the end of the Cape many miles away. We try to go at low tide, when the "flats" extend outward an incredible distance. The vastness of sky, water,beach...is awesome. These flats are the widest in North America. How small we are compared to God's creation and especially HIM.
---chria9396 on 8/14/11


john, the credit goes to the_seg. he started this in july.

i think the original reasoning was that we are limited to an arbitrary 75 and it was a place to finish what was unfinished without "hijacking" another blog.

i think it is important to note that this should be kept separate from the "What's up [month]" blog.

the title does make it confusing. i hoped that it was called "Finish it here 2, 3, 4... but i am not a moderator.
---aka on 8/14/11


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My compliments AKA for coming up with these "Finish it here Blogs?"

Great Idea!
---John on 8/14/11


Thank you for sharing the message Christine. Love your profile picture, I think I will paint it on a wall of my den, It will work well with the existing brown and Gold theme of the den:o) Be blessed beloved.
---joseph on 8/14/11


joseph, "I would also be happy to answer, to the best of my ability, any question you present to me. The only reason that i did not address your previous questions is because I was offline" I realize that and thank you. Sent you an FB message, more of a "fowarding" of a message which I pray blesses you. It blessed/is blessing me. Much too long to share here....
---chria9396 on 8/13/11


Donna 5535,thanks for asking how I'm doing. Actually not too bad although it hits at unexpected times I'll think of something we did and feel a heart tug. I do really miss her. Please go to the original August Blog and read what I wrote about the dove. That eased the pain for most of us. That is so sad about Beth,I will be praying for her.
---Darlene_1 on 8/12/11


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shira_3877 What happened to your husband? I assume he passed away, from what? I am so sorry to hear this as I know the deep pain that a loss of a loved one does to the human spirit and mind and soul. (((hugging you tightly))) and saying I would love to be your friend and will pray for you.

I lost my father 3 years ago and I still cry for him. I am really sorry about your husband. How are you coping each day?
---Donna5535 on 8/12/11


First,let me say how gratefull I am to all the wonderfull Christians hereI am glad to have thru "cyber life"I learn so much and often remembermany of you in my prayers. I keepa notebook and write names & therequests. Beth you go into my notebook for prayer. God bless and thanks! ChristiaNet! Would love go view the animals in the zoo...Smile! before coldhere. :) Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 8/11/11


Oct will be the 4th year without my husband. I have a special trip planned to spend time with 2 of my precious friends. Can't wait.
---shira_3877 on 8/11/11


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