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What parts of the Bible are not applicable to Christians?

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Christ has given us a New Law and his New Law is Not the old law
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then Christ LIED preaching Gods LAWS: Matt 19:17, Eccl 12:13, John 14:15,21 15:10 ...KEEP the commandments

Matt 5:18 ...no words would be taken from the LAW

Matt 5:19 ...teach THEM

counterfeit christianity TEACHES SINNING in Christ ...nothing to keep or obey contradicting 1Peter 14:17 judgement begins with the church

TRUE followers of Christ Jesus understand loving God done ONLY through obedience to Gods LAWS which are not a burden 1John 5:2,3

those who do not KEEP the commandments have no TRUTH in Christ 1John 2:24 ...LIARS abolished Gods LAWS creating a "new law" which is unsupported by Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 8/19/11


So, if the ALL of the bible is applicable today, can someone please answer these questions?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

eating shellfish is an abomination Lev. 11:10. Does that mean I can't have crab and shrimp anymore?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, (Exodus 21:7). What a fair price?

Leviticus 25:44 says I can own slaves if they come from a neighboring country. Are Mexicans better than Canadians?
---NurseRobert on 8/18/11


\\The choice is simple - either the Holy Spirit Who penned the scripture or Ellen White is a liar.\\

There's already a book about this subject entitled THE WHITE LIE.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/18/11


-StrongAxe
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the WHOLE LAW, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

WHOLE LAW in this context is all TEN commandments. The same perosn who said do not kill also siad remember the sabbath day
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth,.. it shall come to pass, that from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD

In the new earth we will continue to keep the sabbath. Yt is a direct deceptionof Satan that people live in sin ( not keeping the sabbath)
---Francis on 8/18/11


Most here know that on another thread I asked Francis whether he believed we had to obey the 10 Commandments to be saved. His answer was clear-No, we can only be saved by faith in Christ.

There is considerable deceit and misrepresentation here. And from the same old suspects.

So I ask you who misrepresent what Francis and Jerry say: Are we able to willingly break the 10 Commandments and claim we are Christian?

From experience I know some of you are Olympic standard missunderstanders so let me assist you. I am not asking if anyone can be saved by obedience to the 10 Commandments but that once saved can we remain so if we willingly break them?

All that is needed is yes or no.
---Warwick on 8/18/11




Jerry //Are you now ready to confirm that you keep all ten of the Ten Commandments as still in force?

Old Testament laws still in force???>?>???

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

If under grace, then the law is not applicable.

The choice is simple - either the Holy Spirit Who penned the scripture or Ellen White is a liar. Whom would you chose to obey?
---leej on 8/18/11


"Are you saying that you do not keep ANY of these laws" Francis

Are you saying that IT IS POSSIBLE to keep/obey the Ten Commandments? Have you fulfilled ALL of the law? Good for you.

As for me, through faith in Jesus Christ, I have already kept the law on the account of His obedience unto death at Calvary for my sins. Christ's death was the final fulfillment of the law and by faith in Christ, I have kept the law of faith.

I do not obey the law because I want to be saved. I try to obey the law because I am already saved through faith in Christ. But can I obey all and not fall into sin? Impossible! That's why the Christian struggles with sin from the day He receives the Holy Spirit.
---christan on 8/18/11


\\Cluny: "Why do YOU feel comfortable about breaking the commandment forbidding bearing false witness?"

I do not! Are you now ready to confirm that you keep all ten of the Ten Commandments as still in force? YES or NO please, without some silly diversion.\\

Yes, you do bear false witness against me, and I've posted your exact words where you did.

When you stop slandering me and apologize for doing so, then you will be in a a perfect position to lecture others about keeping the Decalogue, though you will still be guilty of picking and choosing which of God's 613 commandments you follow.

In the mean time, get the log out of your own eye.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/18/11


Francis:

You can say that you are not bound by civil laws, yet still refuse to murder, because that is forbidden by a higher law (i.e. God's law). The same applies here.

Someone can be freed from all 600+ laws of the old testament, and only obey: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour as thyself." (Luke 10:27)

Anyone who does this will automatically keep 3 of the Ten Commandments from the first part, and 5 from the second part (and also honor his parents, which follows indirectly from the second part). The only one of the Ten Commandments that does not follow is keeping the Sabbath holy.
---StrongAxe on 8/18/11


Still want to keep the law? Then James declares to you:

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10
---christan on 8/17/11
Are you saying that you do not keep ANY of these laws:
. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.
---Francis on 8/18/11




Cluny: "Why do YOU feel comfortable about breaking the commandment forbidding bearing false witness?"

I do not! Are you now ready to confirm that you keep all ten of the Ten Commandments as still in force? YES or NO please, without some silly diversion.
---jerry6593 on 8/18/11


Francis, you indeed have a serious problem and obsession in telling us that we must obey the law to remain saved. All the commandments that's in the Holy Bible, to me, confirms what Paul teaches in Romans 3:19,20

"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

Still want to keep the law? Then James declares to you:

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10
---christan on 8/17/11


francis //We have commandments like these which we still obey:
Acts 15:20 abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another,
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more

Yes all the commandments except the observance of the Jewish Sabbath can be found in the New Testament. But there is virtually NOTHING that says believers have to observe it.

And you ignore the fact of the 600+ laws found in the Old Covenant, some deal strictly with the civil code under which Israel was govenored. They have nothing to do with fulfillment by Christ.
---leej on 8/17/11


StrongAxe on 8/17/11
If you read the book of Hebrews it does mention the shadows like earthly sanctuary and earthly high priest and blood of goats, the veil of the tabanacle, and so on. It never mentions thou shall not covet as a shadow, or not eating blood as a shadow, only the things in the earthly sanctuary which are shadows of Christ ( and christ ministried)
---Francis on 8/17/11


---StrongAxe on 8/17/11
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


As a schoolmaster the Law taught us How God would deal with sin.
Death of a lamb ( JESUS) Blood of an animal( JESUS) taken into the Earthly sanctuary ( now heavenly) Sprinkled on the veil( His bady) Until the day of atonement ( cleansing of the sanctuary, By a high priest ( Jesus)

SO the earthly sanctuary seved as a teacher to teach the plan of redeemption, when Christ caem, he fulfiled the plan of redeemption, thus we no longer need a teacher

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
---Francis on 8/17/11


Francis:

Francis:

While those scriptures show that Jesus fufilled those aspects of the law, that wasn't what I asked. Can you find any that say he fulfilled ONLY those aspects of the law, but that we are still subject to all the others?
---StrongAxe on 8/17/11


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StrongAxe on 8/16/11
Earthly high priest ---Hebrews 9:11 Christ being come an high priest
Earthly sanctuary--Hebrews 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, which the Lord pitched,
Earthly sanctuary veil---Hebrews 10:20 the veil, that is to say, his flesh,
Blood of animals--Hebrews 9:12 by his own blood
Passover lamb--1 Corinthians 5:7 Christ our passover
Light of earthly sanctuary--John 8:12 I am the light of the world:
Shewbread-- Mark 14:22 , Jesus took bread, and blessed, and said, Take, eat: this is my body
Wine--Mark 14:24 This is my blood of the new testament,
There's more but 125 word limit. We no longer use of earthly sanctuary, all this being fulfilled takes place in the heavenly sanctuary by His blood.
---Francis on 8/17/11


We have commandments like these which we still obey:
Acts 15:20 abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another,
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:

Ofcourse there is more, but as you can see from these two post, some laws are fulffiled by Christ and we no longer follow them, and some laws we continue to obey

PS very few people differenciate between LAWS and COMMANDMENTS

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great COMMANDMENT in the LAW?
---Francis on 8/17/11


\\Which of the Ten Commandments do you feel comfortable in breaking? \\

jerry, you have repeatedly accused me of saying and believing things I do not.

Why do YOU feel comfortable about breaking the commandment forbidding bearing false witness?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/11


MarkV: "The adherence to the letter of the law to the exclusion of the spirit of the law."

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

How is it possible to keep the "spirit" of the law while breaking the "letter" of it? Can one be a physical adulterer while being spiritually obedient?

Do you think that Jesus is pleased with your defense of lawlessness?


Axey: You seem to agree that at least some of the Ten Commandments are still in force. How do YOU determine which ones to obey?
---jerry6593 on 8/17/11


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We have commandments like these which we still obey:
Acts 15:20 abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another,
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:

Ofcourse there is more, but as you can see from these two post, some laws are fulffiled by Christ and we no longer follow them, and some laws we continue to obey

PS very few people differenciate between LAWS and COMMANDMENTS

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great COMMANDMENT in the LAW?
---Francis on 8/17/11


Francis:

Can you show chapter and verse that says that Jesus ONLY fulfilled the parts of the Law relating to blood sarifice and the earthly sanctuary, but not any others?
---StrongAxe on 8/16/11


//The ONLY laws that do not apply are laws relating to blood sarifice and the earthly sanctuary.

That would eliminate adherence to the OT sabbath because that was the day in the earthy sanctuary that most blood sacrifice occurs.

Unfortunately, your guide is olde Ellen White, not the saints of His church.

It stands to reason if the Jewish Sabbath was to be observed, we would most certainly see it emphasized in the writings of the Apostles as well as those of their successors, but we do not.

Thus your viewpoint will remain a minority viewpoint because it is the most difficult to defend.

If Christ was the center of your denomination instead of the OT sabbath, then you would not have these problems.
---lee on 8/16/11


-StrongAxe
The ONLY laws that do not apply are laws relating to blood sarifice and the earthly sanctuary. Because Jesus is the fulfilment of these. He is the lamb, the light, the high priest, the veil, the bread, the oil*, and serves in the heavenly sanctuary, and so on. Every law that defines SIN still applies, Christ death did not cancel what defines sin, it only paid the penalty for sin.
---Francis on 8/16/11


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francis//... Whle some of the laws are not commanded. What we need as sincere christians is a blog to talk about why.
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Gal. 3:8f The Scripture foresaw God would justify the Gentiles by faith, ,,, those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no-one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."

Adventists seek to be justified (declared righteous) by the law failing to realize that God honors faith, not obedience to law.
---leej on 8/16/11


However, circumcision, eating unclean meats, ceremonial uncleanliness, etc. would not be applicable, since these are not related to the Two Commandments.
---StrongAxe on 8/16/11
This is a trick question:
Are you saying that if they are not related to the two commandments that they would not apply?
Again this is a trick question
---Francis on 8/16/11


Francis:

Jesus taught the Two Commandments (love God, and love your neighbor), so clearly THESE two commandments are still applicable.

Thus, anything to do with worshipping other gods, especially idolatry, would be applicable - including those dietary laws that are related to idolatry (such as eating blood). NOT because the Old Testament forbids them, but because Loving God precludes them.

The same applies to most of the Ten Commandments (don't steal, don't kill, etc.) but there was no need to teach people these, since other nations had such laws too.

However, circumcision, eating unclean meats, ceremonial uncleanliness, etc. would not be applicable, since these are not related to the Two Commandments.
---StrongAxe on 8/16/11


Francis, I corrected you on this very important truth before, Please Read- Matthew chapter 5: Christ has given us a New Law and his New Law is Not the old law, else if the old law was good enough then Christ had zero need to come, and he died in vain. Please Read- John 13:34,35+ 15:12,17.
---Eloy on 8/16/11


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francis, I cannot show you a Christian adulterer, stealer or lier, because I don't know who is a genuine Christian, but I can show you a sinner. You, me, Jerry and everyone else. Sin is sin, no matter how you call it. What you teach is legalism, a heresy. The adherence to the letter of the law to the exclusion of the spirit of the law. Legalism normally arises as an overreaction against antinomianism. When this occurs, legalism introduces a tyranny over the people of God. One purpose for the law is to highlight our weakness so that we might seek the strength found in Christ. Here the law acts as a severe schoolmaster who drives us to Christ each day. Legalism distorts the law of God in the opposite direction to antinomianism.
---Mark_V. on 8/16/11


"What parts of the Bible are not applicable to Christians?" jerry

NONE. All sixty books from Genesis to Revelation "...is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17

In fact, anything outside of these sixty-six books in the Holy Bible is totally unprofitable for the Christian. You are not going to learn anything about the true God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
---christan on 8/16/11


Cluny: You must have missed this:

Which of the Ten Commandments do you feel comfortable in breaking? And where does the Bible make the distinction of which ones are not part of the "law" written on the heart in the New Covenant?

Are you aware that Jesus said that the Ten Commandments are in effect while heaven and earth remain (Mat 5:18)?

Why do you continually seek excuses for disobeying God? Do you think He enjoys that?
---jerry6593 on 8/16/11


all parts of the bible are aplicable. And we all know that many of the laws of the OT are also commanded in the NT. Whle some of the laws are not commanded. What we need as sincere christians is a blog to talk about why.
---francis on 8/16/11


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You sure do pick and choose, francis.
---Cluny on 8/15/11

---StrongAxe on 8/15/11
My point was that these are all OT laws. So to those who say that all OT laws are abolized how do you explain these?

Mr. Cluny if the apostles PICKED these OT laws for the church:Acts 15:20 abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood, but did not PICK circumcision,and animal sacrifices, then why do you not accuse the APOSTLES of picking and choosing?

So obviously some of the laws in the OT are retained, and some are not.

Example: To not eat blood and not eat what is strangled are commandments in the DIETARY LAWS, so why PICK these and not circumcision and animal sacrifice?
---Francis on 8/15/11


Churches today are good low-budget Country Clubs. They provide many of the same activities you find at the Senior Citizens Center/Boys and Girl Clubs, American Legion, Elks etc.

These Social Clubs use the "Christian Theme", so those attending them could feel like they are being Holy when in fact it's just another secular club.

They use terms such as "Fellowship" completely different from Scripture use of that word. At the Clubs it means Stuffing your face with the Fatted Pig of Potluck/having totally Secular conversations(i.e Bob did you get the house yet?: mmmm? Emma that's good Potato Salad.)

Ever wonder what ingredients these old ladies use?

What's in that Glow-in-the-Dark Green Jello???
---John on 8/15/11


\\So Mr. Cluny are the apostles picking and choosing which laws to obey, or is there a method to this?
---Francis on 8/15/11\\

You sure do pick and choose, francis.

And I'm not Strong Axe. We are two different people.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/15/11


How would we apply Levi. chapter 5 today?
---michael_e on 8/15/11

To have a clear understanding of Romans and Hebrews. An understanding of how we are not saved by our actions.
---Scott1 on 8/15/11


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Francis:

1. Meat sacrificed to idols was used in idolatry, which was worship of other gods.

2. Jews were forbidden to eat blood, because this was a practice used by some pagan nations in rituals to worship their gods.

3. Animals slaughtered by Jewish law have their throats slit so the blood pours out. Animals killed in other ways (for example, by strangling) die with the blood in them, so blood coagulates inside - so it can't be easily removed. Eating meat from animals is eating them with their blood. See point 2.

4. Many pagan religions had temple prostitutes (i.e. priestesses one slept with to "commune" with one's god). So, fornication was frequently associated with idolatry.

See the connection?
---StrongAxe on 8/15/11


Generally, the Old Testament Law is abolished.
---Eloy on 8/15/11
Are these new laws:
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,
1 Timothy 6:1 that the name of God and [his] doctrine be not blasphemed.
1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
---Francis on 8/15/11


michael e, where is the book of levi found?
---shira3877 on 8/15/11


How would we apply Levi. chapter 5 today?
---michael_e on 8/15/11
WHICH PARTS

Generally, the Old Testament Law is abolished. For we Christians follow the New Covenant Law from Christ.
---Eloy on 8/15/11
and what is this: Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.
some new law?
---francis on 8/15/11


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How would we apply Levi. chapter 5 today?
---michael_e on 8/15/11


Generally, the Old Testament Law is abolished. For we Christians follow the New Covenant Law from Christ.
---Eloy on 8/15/11


If some laws are in effect, and others aren't, how are we supposed to know which is which? There is no list anywhere specifying which parts of the law have been abolished and which ones haven't been.
---StrongAxe on 8/14/1
This is the best asked question. It is obvious that we must keep some laws.
And so what needs to be addressed is how did the APOSTLES come up with their list: Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication:

So Mr. Cluny are the apostles picking and choosing which laws to obey, or is there a method to this?
---Francis on 8/15/11


Francis, my younger brother is a SDA. While married to his ex-wife, he had a child with another woman. He got divorced, and is now getting married to the other woman.

Francis, what do you call this?
---Rob on 8/15/11
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

what do you call it?
---francis on 8/15/11


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\\and a good many of the civil laws are still in effect.\\

In other words, jerry, you pick and choose about which parts of the Bible are still in effect.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/15/11


MarkV: "Jerry, anyone who is born of the Spirit will tell you that not all given to Israel is applicable to those who are in Christ. You should know that."

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You should know that.
---jerry6593 on 8/15/11


Cluny: "Are you aware that this is a distinction the Bible itself does not make?"

Which of the Ten Commandments do you feel comfortable in breaking? And where does the Bible make the distinction of which ones are not part of the "law" written on the heart in the New Covenant?

Are you aware that Jesus said that the Ten Commandments are in effect while heaven and earth remain (Mat 5:18)?

Why do you continually seek excuses for disobeying God? Do you think He enjoys that?
---jerry6593 on 8/15/11


Francis, my younger brother is a SDA. While married to his ex-wife, he had a child with another woman. He got divorced, and is now getting married to the other woman.

Francis, what do you call this?
---Rob on 8/15/11


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These laws tell us what sin is:
Romans 3:20 by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 7:7I I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
This points to the ten commandmets.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
And this points to the 10 commandments
CONCLUSION: The laws that remain in effect are the laws that tell what SIN is ( THE 10 COMMANDMENTS)
The law which is fulfilled by christ is the law that tells us how God deals with our violation of the ten commandments
---Francis on 8/14/11


\\but I believe that the moral law (Ten Commandments), dietary and sanitation laws, and a good many of the civil laws are still in effect.\\

Are you aware that this is a distinction the Bible itself does not make?

It knows only ONE law: The Law. It's a uniform whole.

If you don't believe me, read Leviticus 19. In the middle of a melance of moral, ceremonial, agricultural, and other laws we find the words, "Keep my decrees". (V. 19).

Deut 23:12-13 does not permit indoor toilets in cities. Does this still sanitation law still apply today?

Christ either fulfilled ALL of The Law--or He fulfilled NONE of it, and we are still in our sins.
---Cluny on 8/14/11


StrongAxe This is by far the best most intellegent question thus far on this topic. The answer is in the bible:
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect

So we know that some laws which are shadows point to Jesus, and Jesus who did not come to destroy the law stated that Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

Now all we have to di is figure out which laws are shadows and point to Jesus, and which laws when trangressed are sin
---Francis on 8/14/11


The Jewish religion has a long list of qualifications and disqualifications as to who the Messiah will be.The christians with their own list qualify Jesus but the Jews do not.Both lists of qualifications are found in the OT.I would say that the Christian needs to check the Jew list as well as their own and see what parts is not applicable in determining who is the Messiah.
Both religions share the OT.Example.Was the Messiah expected to take the throne of David?Did Jesus accept it when it was offered to him?
---earl on 8/14/11


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All laws which ask for blood sacrifice..Hebrews 9:12 but by his own blood he having obtained eternal redemption for us.

All Laws having to do with the earthly sanctuary..Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest Hebrews 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

These are the laws fulfilled By Jesus. As you will encounter in the bible: Jesus is the light, the bread, his body is the veil, he is the high priest, the passover lamb and so on. So these being fulfiled by Jesus still continue BUT IN THE HEAVENLY SANCTUARY with a priesthood reverting back to Jesus
We are not obligated to keep these laws. These do not tell us what sin is, just how sin is dealt with
---francis on 8/14/11


//If some laws are in effect, and others aren't, how are we supposed to know which is which? There is no list anywhere specifying which parts of the law have been abolished and which ones haven't been.

This is the basic problem with some religions in that they truly need a pope or some leader they regard as a prophet such as Ellen White, Joseph Smith, Charles T. Russell, or other nutcases.

The righteous shall live by faith.

Ga 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
---leej on 8/14/11


jerry6593:

If some laws are in effect, and others aren't, how are we supposed to know which is which? There is no list anywhere specifying which parts of the law have been abolished and which ones haven't been.
---StrongAxe on 8/14/11


jerry /....but I believe that the moral law (Ten Commandments), dietary and sanitation laws, and a good many of the civil laws are still in effect.

Perhaps that is WHY we see nothing about observance of laws that are strictly Jewish in nature in the New Testament.

And all those church fathers of the first 3 centuries had to be wrong as they were taught by the successors of the Apostltes themselves, who apparently believed that the Jerusalem council did not promote adherence to Jewish laws to Gentile believers.

Perhaps that is why God so loved the world that He had to sent olde Ellen White down to reform this poorly run church.
---leej on 8/14/11


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Jerry, anyone who is born of the Spirit will tell you that not all given to Israel is applicable to those who are in Christ. You should know that.

"The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming-not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins" Heb. 10:1-4.
---Mark_V. on 8/14/11


meghan: "All parts of the bible are applicable to christians."

As you can see from some of these responses, there does not exist unanimity of opinion on this subject among Christians.

The case can be made that the laws of the levitical priesthood have been replaced by the Melchisedec ministry of Jesus, but I believe that the moral law (Ten Commandments), dietary and sanitation laws, and a good many of the civil laws are still in effect.
---jerry6593 on 8/14/11


Much of the Torah or law does not apply to Christians because the Sanctuary on earth and the sacrifical system were replaced by JESUS our High Priest and the Sanctuary in heaven.

We do not live in Israel under the government established there.

But many parts such Love your neighbor as yourself and Love GOD with all your heart, mind and soul are still in effect. So any law that defines sin is still in effect.
---Samuel on 8/13/11


Cluny:

You asked: Do you think that the Biblical laws requiring lans to revert to their original owners every 49 years (or 50 years, depending on how you count them) or cancellation of all debts every 7 years are applicable today?

In fact, we have something like that right now. It's called the Statute of Limitations. If you owe somebody money, they can't legally come after you for it after a number of years has passed (it is 7 years in many states, although it varies). The debt is not erased, but they can no longer pursue you for it. Also, credit reporting agencies can't list it after 7.5 years either, so it's as if the debt never existed.
---StrongAxe on 8/12/11


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OTOH, if we followed this strictly, the USA should be given back to the original inhabitants, right?

Are you in favor of this?
---Cluny on 8/12/11
BIG YES ON THAT
---francis on 8/12/11


The religionist and the legalist really need the law since they require a measurement by which to judge others that they feel are not as good as they are.(2 Cor. 13:12b But when they measure themselves by one another and compare themselves with one another, they are without understanding).


Yes, Much of the OT laws are not applicable since they constitute the Old Covenant - a covenant that passed away (Hebrews 8:13), the righteous live by faith in a relationship with Jesus.
---leej on 8/12/11


\\It may not be practiced, but If you were the one who gets his land back, or has his dept cancelled would you refuse it?\\

I would not benefit from this, as my family has never been land owners.

OTOH, if we followed this strictly, the USA should be given back to the original inhabitants, right?

Are you in favor of this?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/12/11


Do you think that the Biblical laws requiring lans to revert to their original owners every 49 years (or 50 years, depending on how you count them) or cancellation of all debts every 7 years are applicable today?
---Cluny on 8/11/11
Very acceptable
It may not be practiced, but If you were the one who gets his land back, or has his dept cancelled would you refuse it?
---francis on 8/12/11


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"Not applicable?" The governing laws and ordinances of the O.T. "The law and the prophets [were] until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. The law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a servant, though he is master of all. But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the Father." The law was not made for the righteous, but for the rebellious. Therefore is not applicable to those given to follow Christ.
---Josef on 8/12/11


//cancellation of all debts every 7 years are applicable today?// Cluny

No, but how awesome it would be if we did do that. Debt would be simple. Money would not be a god for people. God would be in all of our hearts. If you wanted to do business with someone then you make good decisions and not extreme risk taking. Just a few ideas if that were possible.
---Scott1 on 8/12/11


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Deuteronomy 8:3 that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every [word] that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
---francis on 8/12/11


Cluny, yes that woukd help me alot LOL.
---andy3996 on 8/12/11


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\\All of the bible is still applicable today. All of it goes together.A true Christian doesn't dismiss any part of it.\\

Do you think that the Biblical laws requiring lans to revert to their original owners every 49 years (or 50 years, depending on how you count them) or cancellation of all debts every 7 years are applicable today?

How would you enforce them?

Do you follow them yourself?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/11/11


cluny, just another example of God letting people do what they want to do. You need to take Deut in context. Thanks Paul, you are absolutely correct. The whole bible is given for inspiration, reproof and correction.
---shira_3877 on 8/11/11


Everything in the Bible is applicable to Christians, but that does not mean everything in the Bible should be repeated:

Mat 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you...

btw... i would go to church on Sabbath if there was a group that met on Saturday who do not believe that Jesus was the incarnation of Michael the Archangel.
---aka on 8/11/11


all parts of Holy Scripture are applicable

however it is amusing how majority of self-appointed ministers have their followers REJECT most of it

TEACHING their followers to worship ancient traditions of babylon that Christ condemned and ignore Gods Holy Days ...teaching their blind followers to dismiss and reject majority of NT claiming all of Holy Scriptures teachings about obedience do not apply

essentially false ministers TEACH a watered down version ...claiming all of Bible applies today YET practice and teach contrary to their claims
---Rhonda on 8/11/11


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2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

If anyone can present scripture that does not meet this criteria then it may be considerable, not gonna happen.

So to Christians it is ALL applicable, and not just the acceptable supportive text either.

Paul
---paul on 8/11/11


The second book of hesitations is completely not applicable. Everything in scripture is applicable because the verse 2 Tim 3:16. The Bible in some shape or form is applicable. It might not be clear but it is useful in some way.
---Scott1 on 8/11/11


ALL parts of the Bible are applicable to Christians.

Even the Jewish Holidays we Gentiles are to celebrate. Actually, Passover isn't a Jewish Holiday, it's GOD's Holiday.

It's all God's word and since God is the same yesterday, today and forever, I guess we should believe that scripture too. I believe it all.

I have found scriptures in the Old Testament that speak to my heart and minister Spirit and Life to me as well as in the New Testament.
---Donna5535 on 8/11/11


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