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James

Who was God referring to in Gen when He said let us make man in our image?

And who was in the furnace with the three Hebrew boys?

What did the Father mean in Gen 3 when he was speaking to satan?

And the three that bare record in Heaven?

Who was Jesus conversing with when He was speaking to the Father?

Just don't add up guys, sorry.

Paul
---paul on 8/23/11


to hold that Jesus was not son of God before He came is not biblical, to state he was not REVEALED son of god acceptable. there is a fine line between two vieuws and if reading the bible sloppy one might be mistaken. Christ is Eternal SON
Matthew 13:35,25:34, John 17:24,1 Peter 1:20 revelation 13:8 (christ, not "just a word" but christ complete before the foundation of this world)
John 8:58 Christ Is before Abraham.

John 16:28, Jesus came forth out of the father (in human terms it is the father who brought forth Jesus, before jesus was born of Mary. (what else does Christ incarnated imply?)Eph 3:5,
---andy3996 on 8/23/11


JamesL, thank you. I also believe that is also stated in the first chapter of Romans and elsewhere.

You explained that perfectly. Jesus is no mre God JR. in the past any more than He is God JR. in the future. Jesus is the Great I AM! He told Moses: " Tell them "I AM " sent you. Jesus is God in the flesh! Not God JR. in the flesh.

And the fact too that He is the firstborn from the dead, the The Firstfuits, and those in Christ are joint heirs with Him, all works together here. I don't think many really understand this. Oh they may throw it out and quote it, but really don't understand it.

K
---kathr4453 on 8/23/11


Paul, one thing you are not, and that is someone who speaks against the Deity of Christ. And it wonderful to know. Christ has always been the Son. He has many names and that does not change who He is. Just because He is called the Word does not change the fact He was the Son. And Just because the Bible does not say the Holy Spirit was the Father, all three have the same Nature, and that is of God. They have always existed and always will. People can take something and twisted over and over and all they are doing is not believing that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Heretics through history have been stripping Christ of His Deity since the Church begin.
---Mark_V. on 8/23/11


I WISH TO BE EDUCATED BY THIS MINISTRY.
---Alfred_Dunner on 8/23/11




Actually the words Eternal Son are not in scripture at all.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11

Da 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Kathr,
I agree 100%. Christ was not the Son from eternity.
---James_L on 8/22/11

Why do you have such a hard time reconciling theses scriptures which point to the fact that Jesus has always been the Son of God.

1Pe 1:20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you

---paul on 8/23/11


Kathr,
I agree 100%. Christ was not the Son from eternity.


Paul, consider:
Luke 1:32
He WILL BE called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord WILL GIVE Him the THRONE of His father David

Mark 1:10-11
Immediately coming up out of the water, Jesus saw the heavens opening, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon Him, and a voice came out of hte heavens: "You are My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."

Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say, "You are My Son, TODAY I have begotten you" ?


I think you are misunderstanding what it meant to be a son in scripture. It did not mean offspring, it meant HEIR.

Jesus is the HEIR to the throne of God.
---James_L on 8/22/11


Actually the words Eternal Son are not in scripture at all.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11

God Bless, Sis

The evidence is in scripture, If you want to believe different that is solely up to you.

Paul
---paul on 8/22/11


Paul, I apprecaite wht you are saying, however, you still have not posted any clear scripture stating that in teh OT the WORD was once and first an eternal son.

The WORD is GOD. Clearly stated in John 1. If God wanted us to believe the eternal Son became the begotten Son, He would have said so right then and there.

There is a great article written by John McArthur, concerning this very issue. He also covered it in his book on Hebrews copywright 1983. Also Walter Martin has addressed this as well.

The Holy Spirit has witnessed within me that what they are saying is truth.

God Bless!

Actually the words Eternal Son are not in scripture at all.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11


Now, that will take some time to meditate on, but after praying about it, I know the Lord will enlighten you on this subject.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11

I can appreciate that but I can see it in scripture, that's where I base my decision on.

The three are and have been separate but one.

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

God is a Spirit which from the foundation of the world had a Son which later become flesh, or why did He say let US make man in OUR image?

Afterwords God the Spirit sent from Heaven the Holy Spirit (our comforter) for our benefit.

Are you review the scriptures I post?

Paul
---paul on 8/22/11




Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Paul, the scripture you quoted in Galatians CONFIRMS the prophecy in Isaiah ....unto us a son is born... It doesn't say Unto US THE SON IS BORN.

Hebrews 1 TODAY have I begotten you. Signifying a time and place.

Did all the Angels b4 Christ was born in awe and wonder?
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11


Paul, here is a little mind teaser. The Bible tells us that Mary was overshaddowed by the Holy Spirit...Correct? So, technically that would make the Holy Spirit Jesus Father correct. But NO WHERE in scripture is the Holy Spirit called or refered to as Jesus Father. BUT if you were to break down the Trinity into three individual beings then the Holy Spirit WOULD infact be Jesus Father.

Now, that will take some time to meditate on, but after praying about it, I know the Lord will enlighten you on this subject.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11


Paul, Hebrews states the worlds were framed by the WORD OF GOD.---kathr4453 on 8/22/11


Ktahr

The Word defined in Rev 19:13 is the Son of God who was from the beginning with the Father during creation.

That same Son was implanted into Mary and was born of flesh and dwelt among men.

Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

You see He sent Him, he was already there to be sent, not created but sent.

That is not presumption, I gave you the scriptures to show this, if you don't choose to believe it that is up to you, but it is scripture.

paul
---paul on 8/22/11


I still do not see anywhere in the OT that CLEARLY state a son was part of the Eternal Godhead before Jesus Incarnation.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11



Da 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.


I hope somehow this is helping your search for the truth.

Paul
---paul on 8/22/11


\\Jesus became a son at the time Mary conceived.\\

What you're saying, kathr, is that you're an Arian and not a real Christian.
---Cluny on 8/22/11


Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, ( not by any eternal son) so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.



Paul, Hebrews states the worlds were framed by the WORD OF GOD.

I still do not see anywhere in the OT that CLEARLY state a son was part of the Eternal Godhead before Jesus Incarnation.

Jesus became a son at the time Mary conceived.

GOD became Flesh. To state otherwise is to say the Trinity is THREE GODS, placing ,you say , the eternal son in a subbordinate position before His Conception. Because of this false doctrine, many do not believe in the Deity of Christ.

All you can show is presumptuousness.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11


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Kathren

God the Spirit was plainly talking to His son during creation which was from the beginning.

Ge 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

This is the Son refereed to in Rev as the Word, who also shares God ship with the Father. Php 2:6

Paul
---paul on 8/22/11


Proverbs 11:30
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and he that winneth souls is wise.


mima, I believe this verse statew WE, the Righteous are a (not THE tree of Life) tree of life leading and winning souls.

Also stating those who don't are fools.

Psalm 92:6
A brutish man knoweth not, neither doth a fool understand this.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.


It's interesting to read all what God says constitutes a FOOL!
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11


While the Bible speaks of soulwinning many do not believe in presenting any message you can find in the Bible concerning soulwinning. I am of the opinion that those who are against efforts to win souls are themselves unsaved.
---mima on 8/22/11


Paul I have carefully considered all these scriptures. I cannot find anywhere ETERNAL SON before His incarnation.

1 John 1:1
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life,
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God..... NOT THE ETERNAL SON!.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11


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The WORD was made flesh,
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11


Re 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

1Jo 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life--
2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us--


I disagree with Marks theology alot as well , but have you considered these?

Paul
---paul on 8/22/11


MarkV, I just don't agree with you. I believe in the Trinity. Yes after the death and resurrection we do refer to Father Son and Holy Spirit.

The WORD was made flesh, no where does it say the eternal son became flesh then becoming the begotten Son. Just deal with it!

Secondly, Now that I'm saved, a New Creature in Christ I have the privledge of Calling God my Father. It is ONLY because I am IN CHRIST today, not in eternity past, that I am part of God's Elect CHURCH, and a child of God, a son/daugthter no longer a servant. I had to be crucified with Christ, ending my history in Adam 1 to know be a part of the New Creation of which Christ is Head.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11


Kathr, your not listening. First, The Father has always been the Father, The Son has always been the Son and the Holy Spirit has always been the Holy Spirit. Christ did not become the Son when He was born, He is eternal. The Trinity did not become the Trinity when Christ was born.
Second. If you are one of the elect, He has always been your Father. If you have been chosen, then you are one of the elect.
"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love. Having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved"
---Mark_V. on 8/19/11


RUBEN on 8/15/11 It is those who Believe in the son are the ones God draws,

Ruben it's the other way around, Faith - Believe - is a work that we do, and we can not be saved by works right? God has to do the work first of drawing that person.

2 THESSALONIANS 1:3 Remembering without ceasing you work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our LORD Jesus Christ. in the sight of God and our Father

---RICHARDC on 8/18/11


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Nana, a good cross reference to Galatians 6:7 would be this:

Hosea 10:13 But you have planted wickedness, you have reaped evil, you have eaten the fruit of deception. Because you have depended on your own strength ...
---kathr4453 on 8/16/11


"Nana, ... before God, Justified because of what Jesus did for us, we then receive and have access to God's MERCY. "
kathr4453
Disagree. If what He did only, why is He a mediator, even now? Moses, a mediator, could not save all he wished for
either, why?. (HINT (1Cor.10:5))

"You can keep teh law all you want, but you will never be forgiven. and you can't buy your way out of hell either."
kathr4453

Hell? What hell, what law you talking about, all I said was,
"Apparently the unrighteous get no free and unmerited gift but rather their rightfully earned dues."?

Please, rather than sing and dance all over the place, tell me what is 1 Cor. 6:9-10 and Galatians 6:7 saying otherwise?
---Nana on 8/16/11


MarkV, are you saying God is OUR eternal Father, meaning ALL mankind, even teh worse of sinners who have never come to Christ. I thought you said The Devil was THEIR Father.

Now who's talking uniterianism?? YOU ARE!

God DID NOT become YOUR Father until you got saved!
---kathr4453 on 8/16/11


MarkV, I do wish you would study to show yourself approved before opening your mouth.

In MAtthew The Lords Prayer..Our Father..

Can you show any Gentiles praying this at that time?

Did the Gentile Romans really PRAY for the Kingdom to be restored to Israel really Pray to OUR FATHER that they in fact would be overthrown by Christ Himself?

Well, one day that will come to pass. But Again, OT states,

Amos 3:2
You only have I known of all the families of the earth: (ISRAEL that is)therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
---kathr4453 on 8/16/11


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Again MarkV, for teh LAST TIME: You were NEVER an Adopted begotten Son through Jesus Christ before you were saved, or even before you were born. You claim to be BORN the Elect, already born a son. REALLY? Only Mormons believe they were sons of God ( angels) before coming to earth.

And God only has ONE BEGOTTEN SON, Jesus Christ. Are you saying YOU are and were already a son, equal to Jesus at YOUR earthly birth?

Or did you become ADOPTED into the Family of God through Jesus Christ, THEN becoming a son?
---kathr4453 on 8/16/11



---Nana on 8/15/11

Nana, all men from Adam on are sinners deserving of nothing but death and damnation. In Adam all die PERIOD.

So you want to take justification by faith out of the picture? So you think you can pay your own sin debt? HOW? If it took Christ's death and resurrection, and shed blood to forgive sin, what makes you think without that YOU have a better way of paying your sin debt? By what? WORKING for it? If that were possible, even for ONE PERSON, then Christ died in vain.
777 Justification, Sanctification, Glorification IN CHRIST alone.

666, man trying to build his own way to God.
---kathr4453 on 8/16/11


Nana, without the shedding of blood there is NO forgivness of sin. SO how do you plan to work around that? You can keep teh law all you want, but you will never be forgiven. and you can't buy your way out of hell either.

SO, what to do? What to do. How will you stand JUSTIFIED before a Holy God? You don't sacrifice animals I hope?

So what will you do? How can you JUSTIFY yourself?

Thank you Jesus for paying a debt I cound not pay, by dying for me, and shedding your own sinless spotless blood as an atonement for MY SIN. I accept your GIFT of payment for my sin, and I now stand JUSTIFIED before the Father as you stand in my place of judgement, and now My Legal standing is NOT Guilty.

NOT GUILTY doesn't mean INNOCENT!
---kathr4453 on 8/16/11


Kathr, I wish you would study before you answered, because you always need correction. You said,
"MarkV, in perspective God was never your FATHER before you came to Christ. Now He is Your Father, but only because you are now IN CHRIST, only because you have been Born Again of Christ."

First you said that the Son was not the Son from eternity, now you say the Father was not the Father from eternity. Your worse then the Unitarians, they at least believe the Father is eternal. Just because when lost we (believers) followed the desires of the devil, it didn't mean God was not our real Father. When lost we didn't know the Truth. Now we do. We were following a lie. God is our Eternal Father.
---Mark_V. on 8/16/11


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Nana, when we stand justified before God, Justified because of what Jesus did for us, we then receive and have access to God's MERCY. Just look at Romans 9. God had MERCY on Isael, because Israel placed BLOOD over the doorpost. The Passver is I will pass over you. God's Mercy is not His Good HUMOR. God deals with men only through COVENANTS. The shedding of Blood was a Covenant promise the moment God shed an animal and placed it over Adam/Eve, and then Abel making and continuing that Covenant relationship.

We see what happened to Cain who refused.
---kathr4453 on 8/16/11


Kathr 2: Did you not read,
"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the World, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise and glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved" Eph. 4-6. He is our Father from all eternity.
Then you said,
"Yet we are Justified FREELY by His Grace. Also we are Justified by His BLOOD. But no where is anyone Justified by ELECTION"
No one is justified by election. The elect are justified freely by His Grace.
---Mark_V. on 8/16/11


1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners,shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Apparently the unrighteous get no free and unmerited gift but rather their rightfully earned dues.
Galatians 6:7 "Be not deceived, God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."
---Nana on 8/15/11


Romans 4:4. If salvation is given on the basis of what a man has done, then salvation is given by God as the payment of a debt. But when faith is reckoned for what it is not, that is , righteousness, there is no claim on man's part, and he receives as a pure gift something that he has not earned.

Works is insisting that Christ Jesus righteous life and atoning death and resurrection was needless, which is blasphemous. Christs righteousness is not accredited/accounted/reckoned to one who tries to work for salvation but to the one who trusts solely in Christ by obeying the gospel to trust in Christ.
Therefore Trust/Faith in Christ is not a work but opposed to work.
---kathr4453 on 8/15/11


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Then she tries to explain what grace is. Her own definition. But God says,
"Even so then, at this present time there is remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is not grace" Rom. 11:5,6.

Absolutely MarkV, Grace vs WORKS is clearly stated in Galatians 2:20-21. The whole book of Galatians is GRACE vs WORKS of the Law.

AND scripture also tells us:

By the WORKS of the LAW no man is Justified.

Yet we are Justified FREELY by His Grace. Also we are Justified by His BLOOD. But no where is anyone Justified by ELECTION. Please find any scripture where God Justified anyone by election?

No man, can by the LAW save himself.
---kathr4453 on 8/15/11


It was to the public at large that Jesus said:
Matthew 7:11: "If ye then, being evil, know
how to give good gifts unto your children,
how much more shall
your Father which is in heaven,
give good things to them that ask him?

I believe that it was said to the whole of
mankind even if those who first heard it
did not realize it then.
---Nana on 8/15/11


JOHN 6,44 NO MAN can come to me.except the father which hath sent me draw him:and I will raise him up at the last day,

( Man is not in control, GOD is )
---RICHARDC on 8/14/11

Man cooperates with God's call:

"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him , may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.'

"It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me "

It is those who believes in the Son,they are the ones God draws!
---Ruben on 8/15/11


So MarkV, does your comment mean (although I am not Arminian) that you disagree with scriptures definition of GRACE?

So what you are saying is Arminians believe GRACE is VIA the Cross, and Calvinism means GRACE is avoiding the Cross?

Thanks MarkV, that's what I thought!
---kathr4453 on 8/15/11


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Exodus 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, hus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

So yes, when Jesus is talking to JEWS in John, it was not out of context of Father Son relationship. It would have been out of context if Jesus had said that to a Gentile.

MarkV, in perspective God was never your FATHER before you came to Christ. Now He is Your Father, but only because you are now IN CHRIST, only because you have been Born Again of Christ. You through Christ have become a begotten son through Christ alone. So NO, God was not YOUR FATHER first drawing you to Christ. You like every other gentile was alianiated from God, from the commonwelth of Israel, and covenants of Promises. Ephesians.
---kathr4453 on 8/15/11


Richard, thank you so much for what you said. Kathren's Arminian believes imply she has power over God. That God is not on the Throne. That man, sinful at that, spiritually blind to the things of God, can come to Christ on their own free will and that God doesn't draw them. The opposite of what God tells us. She takes election out of the hands of God and puts it into the hands of sinful man, making the purposes of Almighty God to be conditioned by the wills of sinful men. Implying He is A little god, not Almighty at all. She assumes that the serious intentions of God can and always are defeated, and that man, sinful at that, can exercise veto power over the plans of Almighty God. Now that takes pride.
---Mark_V. on 8/15/11


Richard 2: Then she tries to explain what grace is. Her own definition. But God says,
"Even so then, at this present time there is remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is not grace" Rom. 11:5,6. Then she says, the Father of the Jews use to draw people but now Jesus Christ draws people to Himself and gives John 12:24, and nowhere does John 12:24 say what she said. Also, the Father is the Father of all. And if Jesus draws people, there is still no free will. Talk about been all twisted up. Then she says Calvinism is from satan. What she needs is to learn Calvinism, then she will know who the God of Scripture really is.
---Mark_V. on 8/15/11


Have you ever NOTICED how cults will change the meaning of words. And false teachers will do all to avoid the cross, leading to genuine salvation.

Example: Calvinists believe Grace means: God picking and choosing who to saved and who to send to Hell.

This is a tactic of satan to KEEP you from the truth of the CROSS. He doesn't mind if you are on the wrong side. He just doesn't want you to CROSS over, come Through, or be crucified with Christ.

Just like those who died in their sin in the wilderness. TRUE FAITH, GENUINE FAITH brings you INTO Christ, INTO His REST.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/11


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Paul,very gratefull for your helpand
---ELENA on 8/14/11


Very glad to be able to help you, anything I can do just let me know.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 8/14/11


Paul,very gratefull for your helpand that why I defend ChristiaNetI learn alot and even it is good inmy time on here,friends have given new bibles and I am search the scriptures "for them are life!"thankyou !
---ELENA on 8/14/11


Absolutely Salvation is By the Grace of God.

AND the GRACE of God is this:

For God so love the world, that He gave His only betotten Son, that who so ever believes in Him will not perish but be saved BY GRACE through Faith in the Finished works of Christ.

Galatains 2:20-21 clearly tell us what GRACE is...

I am Crucified with Christ.

I do not make VOID the Grace of God by keeping the Law or believing the Law can Save me.

We are saved by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

God's Riches at Christs Expense.

Yes b4 Jesus went to Calvary, the Father of the Jews drew to His Son.

After Calvary Christ Himself draws us to Calvary..John 12:24
---kathr4453 on 8/14/11


JOHN 6,44 NO MAN can come to me.except the father which hath sent me draw him:and I will raise him up at the last day,

( Man is not in control, GOD is )
---RICHARDC on 8/14/11


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I was sure Kathr was going to disagree with what I said but no matter how anyone cuts it.
No one can come to Christ unless God draws them to Himself. He will have His Word presented to the individual, and He will bring it with power if the individual is going to be saved. Otherwise they will hear His Word and not believe.
"A man's goings are established of Jehovah" Ps. 37:23. "A man's heart deviseth his way, but the Lord directeth his steps" Prov. 16:9. for
"Of Him, and through Him, and unto Him are all things" Rom. 11:36. "Who maketh thee to differ? And what hast thou that thou didst not receive" 1 Cor. 4:7.
Salvation is by the Grace of God.
---Mark_V. on 8/14/11


I believe Paul here was saying WE WILL know them by their fruit...not their works.

Works can be imitated, however the FRUIT of the Spirit cannot.

Those who are Christ's HAVE crucified the flesh, resulting in the fruit of the Spirit. Galatains 5 makes that very clear.

Satan can immitate everything but the CROSS.

And yes, we can also spot that artificial plastic FRUIT some scotch-tape on. When you go to take a bite out of it...YUCK..tasteless! Not only that, it's easily knocked off in battle!
---kathr4453 on 8/14/11


Now that doesn't mean the Lord does't put someone specific on our heart from time to time. But to use that as an excuse not to witness until or unless God specifically puts someone on your heart is wrong.

I was saved at home by reading something written in the 1800's. BOY they knew the Gospel then before it's now been Watered down to a whitewashed nothing.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/11


James L, I believe you are correct when you said,

"Only God can see faith, humans can't."

We as believers cannot see the faith of someone else, only God can, since only God knows who is saved and who is not. Faith is the evidence of our own salvation.
We may see a lot of works in someone else but works never saved anyone.
---Mark_V. on 8/14/11


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Another thing on my heart this morning is this IDEA we aren't to witness UNTIL or UNLESS we FEEL led by the Holy Spirit. Well, here again is an OT concept that Prophets/Priests Kings were led as being the only anointed ones in the OT.

But today, as a body of Believers WE are all anointed by the Holy Spirit, and we have already been told what is expected of us. We just need to stepout ON FAITH not FEELINGS and witness.

You know, many times it wasn't until I stepped out on faith, and a little nervous at that, that after the First or second word, The Holy Spirit was right there TAKING OVER.

There is NO VERSE in the NT that states "Don't witness UNLESS you feel led by the Holy Spirit"
---kathr4453 on 8/14/11


---kathr4453 on 8/13/11

Another Big AMEN to that ! ! !

I have seen so many churches refer to statistics claiming that it's friends and family inviting people they know to church that is the most successful way to evangelize.

They fail to see the reality that one plants a seed, one waters, but it is God that makes it grow.
---Haz27 on 8/13/11


Only God can see faith, humans can't.
---James_L on 8/13/11

-Faith is evidence-

James only God can see the heart but we can see the witness of faith.

Thank God I see it all around me in other people.

I see people acting in ways that can only be described as faith for the eye could not determine why thus is so nor explain it.

No resources to rely on but they step out in faith trusting God that He will hold true to His Word, and He always does.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 8/13/11


---kathr4453 on 8/13/11

Big AMEN to that ! ! !


If we actually do lead someone to Christ, we won't know it anyway. That's because when someone comes to Christ, it is by faith.

Only God can see faith, humans can't.

Trying to get people to do something that we can see, and hawking that garbage as a gospel is spiritual homocide.

One plants a seed, one waters, but it is God that makes it grow.
---James_L on 8/13/11


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Simply testify of your salvation experience and ask if they've been saved (born again)if they say they havn't and desire to do so lead them in the sinner's prayer.Stating they repent of (are sorry for their sins) and accept Jesus as their Savior (the only way to Heaven)that is all.Then comes the hard part living a good Christian life.They may exspress a desire for baptizim if a minister isn't around to do it you can do it if they ask you too.
---shirley on 8/13/11


Thankyou!Christianet! Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 8/13/11

Please always search the scriptures to see of what you are reading here is so.

Not everything you read is truth, God Bless you sis.

And your typing has greatly improved, good job.

Paul
---paul on 8/13/11


Have been checking now & again,thankfull for everyone replies I go for prayer & also,been helping outgeneral cleaning/church ...later I'll be able to put all replies,make notes! That's what I get on here biblical learning fr wonderfull christians! Thankyou!Christianet! Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 8/13/11


Some plant and some water, but it is God who makes the increase.

We need to plant the seed of truth to all who are lost. Many who the Apostles witnessed to walked away, yet the Lord lead them to witness regardless.

Who know's who came along later to WATER that seed already planted.

I know of many who heard the Gospel and LATER became saved.

Never underestimate the POWER of the Gospel. And don't think because YOU don't see an instant result that person will never come to God through Christ. And don't get BIGHEADED because you are the one seeing the result , believing YOU saved a soul.
---kathr4453 on 8/13/11


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How to effectively lead people to Christ?

Psalms 19:7 The LAW law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the TESTIMONY of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

This means that by the LAW man sees that he is a sinner in need of a saviour, and by the TESTIMONY he has a redeemer in Jesus.
This is now we lead people to Christ. Forgiveness of sin, and salvation in Jesus

The LAW and THE TESTIMONY:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---francis on 8/13/11


Reba, your answers are great. When we preach the gospel to one person, it has to be because the Spirit is leading us to that person. The Spirit will make sure that the person will be there to hear the Truth of the gospel. For no one lost seeks God, Romans 3:9-12. If they are there for you to witness, it is because God has began a work in them to hear the Truth. If we just work on our own nothing will be accomplish. People are not driven away because they don't like to hear they are sinners, they have been running away since they were born, because it is the Truth they run away from. That is what I have been telling everyone. In order for them to hear and commit their lives to Christ, they have to be made willing by God to hear the Truth first.
---Mark_V. on 8/13/11


Yes! First,Pastor Paul different ones come bk. & share a little(don't talk long)many have told me" yeah,my friend he really need God! He is messed up!" ....I keep my mouth "shut"..or women they just "smile"... or move swiftly. the one time a young lady ask to come & she helped then her husbandsaid "no more church!" Keep her in myprayers. Also,yes love must be evident,how can we be effective without love? Christians got to love regardless. all thru the bible keeps explaining love your neighbor, love and forgive... Love your enemy..Love one another ....
---ELENA on 8/12/11


\\Then ask if God were to judge them by that would they go to Heaven or Hell? \\

And what do you do if the person says, "Yes, God will let me into heaven," Leslie?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/12/11


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Elena

I recall before I was saved I have an uncle who is a Pastor as well.

When he would come around he would constantly be onto me abut Christ and salvation.

To the point that I hated to see him coming.

He meant well but he was actually turning me off to Christ and causing a bigger divide between me and Christ.

The last thing you need to do is alert a sinner to the fact that he is a sinner.

Believe me they know,what we need to do is show them a need for Christ to be active in their life.
---paul on 8/12/11


Ice breakers or introductions could be, "Do you come here often? Do you go to church?" etc. Then summarize the gospel, how Jesus came to save people from sin. You could share Adam and Jesus, Rm.5:12-14,19, and about how Jesus personally saved you and how your life is with him. And you can share the Roman Road and Sinner's Prayer, John 3:3+ 6:37+ Rm.10:9-13+ Ps.32:3-5+ 51. And share God's Love, Jn.3:16,36.
---Eloy on 8/12/11


Start with the law of God (10 Commandments) to show they are a sinner - Are you a good person? Go through the 10 Commandments to see if that is true. Then ask if God were to judge them by that would they go to Heaven or Hell? Then share the Gospel with them of Jesus dying on a cross and raising from the dead to take their punishment for them. Let them know that they must repent (confess and turn from sins) (Luke 13:3, 1 John 1:9), and trust in Jesus Christ by believing and confessing He died, rose, and is Lord (boss) (Romans 10:9-10). For more info. go to Way Of The Master's website.
---Leslie on 8/12/11


Love them. No matter how hard it may be, LOVE THEM. Take an interest in their life like Jesus did with the woman at the well.

He sat there in the heat of the day waiting for her to come by that well. Then she gives him a history lesson and He never once rebuked her, he loved her because he saw her for what she was to become, the Bride of Christ, not for the harlot that she was. "Go call your husband." "You've had many husbands."
---Donna5535 on 8/12/11


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Zechariah 4:6 "This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts." While this is the word of the Lord to Zechariah during the time of the (re)building of the temple, The Lord today is building His temple, We are the temple of the HS, and it can only be done through His power, not by our flesh. We need His anointing, His Word which WILL accomplish the purpose with which it was sent.
---Chria9396 on 8/12/11


Thinking,Pastor Paul about your comment,sure you are correct.When young girl say maybe 15 yrs. a lady scare me so,bad I really didn'twant to hear no more about religion!maybe she meant well but,it made menot want to be bothered. God is good.His mercy & his grace.I am gratefull.
---ELENA on 8/12/11


Matthew 5:16: "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

Cluny, along the same lines, I love the quote you shared from Francis of Assisi:
"Preach the Gospel always. If necessary, use words."

Amen.
---Nana on 8/12/11


The Greatest witness you can give is ur own testimony.You have to be led by the spirit. Jesus said no man comes to the father except by me. The only thing you can do is give the word, but the Lord gives the increase.
---Anthony_Wadlington on 8/12/11


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Jesus draws all men to Himself. The lord is our Shepherd, He leads, His chosen are called to follow. Our guide is within us, and His word is the lamp to our feet, giving light to our path. And no man comes to the Father except through HIm.
However His Called are instructed to "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven." Mat 5:16
The prayer of all who are led by His goodness to repentance will resemble the psalmist "Oh, send out Your light and Your truth! Let them lead me, Let them bring me to Your holy hill And to Your tabernacle." Psa 43:3
---Josef on 8/12/11


The leading has to be of the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit must lead you to an individual who is being led also by the Spirit to repent.

This is where what is being called "leading someone to Christ" take place.

You must know Gods plan of salvation and how to adequately present it to someone.

And be ready to answer any question or accusation that could come from that exchange.

I recommend taking some classes, I offer expressing your faith classes through Clearview where I Pastor.

An ill informed Christian can be very damaging to someone seeking answers.

Paul
---paul on 8/11/11


yes! all good responses,Reba struck a "cord" they have to realize how bad they need a saviour!Will keep taking notes from here. Help immensely! Thankseveryone. Love of Jesus! ELENA
---ELENA on 8/11/11


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