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Not Observing Passover

What are your reasons for NOT observing Passover? This is G-ds and Jesus Holy Day of your very salvation which he commands us to observe. In it is the Lords Supper and His Cruxifiction and Resurrection. The Lord did NOT give us Easter. Is it you don't want to appear to be a Jew?

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Christ is our passover.

Why would we replace him with another sacrifice?
---CraigA on 8/24/11


and still JOHN, but then again
??you do not believe in anything but yourself and ??
you fail to give an answer to my question.
as i said before, you may celebrate pasover any style you like, but donot be a legalist about it. kathryn does not celebrate the annual pasover, yet this is her choice since she doesn't seem to see importance within this, i do because it is my annual time of abandoning my worldly deveations and refocusing my life to the LORD. all what Christ asks is DO NOT BE LEGALISTIC. or as paul says you think the law saves ghet fixed. (he was probably memeber of Cnet :-)
---andy3996 on 8/24/11


John, I can't believe you came back and asked me this question. I gave you my answer. You LIKED my answer and then asked why then do I observe Easter. I asked. Why do you assume I oserve Easter. you refused to answer. James L asked AGAIN. You again refused to answer.

I believe you have already been given answers John. TH FACTS is wat you got. We don't (many stated here) 0bserve Passover. THAT IS A FACT.

Why do you feel people are going to give you any more answers when you don't even LISTEN and read their answers already given.

You're a legalist John. That's a FACT! And a very unhappy one too! So tell us John, WHAT then does observing Passover do for you INSIDE? I can't see it.
---kathr4453 on 8/24/11


John, here is my final answer. I believe everyone should study the passover, Jubilee, and all those OT feast days etc. Once you do, then you won't get suckered in by the likes of Rom Parlsey Snips and such when he tells everyone....Jubilee is coming..The Lord has told me Jubilee is around the corner.

Yu see, Just ike Passover, Jubilee was fulfilled IN CHRIST. ALL debts were paid at Calvary.

It's like every year going back and observing my 4th birthday. PLUS it's an INSULT to the Spirit of Grace. Hebrews 10 will explain.

I hope that helps!
---kathr4453 on 8/24/11


Oh Oh Oh one last thing John. Did YOU get suckered into sending Paula White 2000+ dollars for her PASSOVER fund drive. Yea, Just senf Paula White $2011 (this year's amount) and God will instantly dispatch two angels to you personally. You'r own personal two angels. WOW! Can you all calculate the profit margin on that! And just think of all those Angels at Paula White's beckon call.

And let me tell you John, When I first heard that, I kept saying Passover offering, Passover offering, where did that come from.

Well, we know only those who are falsely taught will fall for such nonsense. And we're going to see more and more of this nonsense.

Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord!
---kathr4453 on 8/24/11




Kathy4453, I'm just asking a simple question. Why do "YOU" find it soooo difficult to answer it???

HERE IT IS FOR THE FIFTEEN TIME.

1)WHY DO YOU "NOT" OBSERVE THE PASSOVER?

Since I and many others have given CONCRETE FACTS as to why we do NOT observe Easter. Then you will NEED to do the same.

FACTS ONLY!!!!

No silly evasive "I'm save by Grace" non-answer ignorance.

No hostility here. Just a question.

NOW ANSWER IT CORRECTLY AND CONCISELY!!!!

No mantra or soapbox diversions!

In the Words of Sgt. Friday (Dragnet)

JUST THE FACTS MAM!!!
---John on 8/23/11


I think it would be important to check out Messianic Jews and their beliefs. The majority are not even Jews for one thing, and many don't even believe in the Deity of Christ. The Majority are Dominionists. Their beliefs vary from one to another.

What we do see here from John is hostility, and hate just as the Lawyers hated Paul.

They, like those who came to Galatia, want to rob you of your LIBERTY in Christ. ( NO, not for one NY minute).

You may want to re-read Galatians again and again, just to keep these truths close to your heart.
---kathr4453 on 8/23/11


Kathr, I wish you would make up your mind on what you believe about Christ. I just finished answering you on another blog concerning your answers when you said Christ was not eternal and you gave all this reasons why He was not. Now you write here'MarkV//


Wjhy are you so daft? I never said Christ was not eternal. STOP TWISTING peoples words to accuse them of saying somehting never said. Grow up MarkV, and stop trying to discredit people based on your processing disability.

The WORD is eternal. In the Beginning was the WORD who was with God and is God. The WORD was made Flesh, took our sin upon His Flesh, died in our place and ROSE again from the dead.

What more do you need here?
---kathr4453 on 8/23/11


Mark V,

I hold a view of Christ's eternality, at least very similar to Kathr's. Maybe even exactly like hers, we haven't fully discussed it.

Let's take it up on another blog.
---James_L on 8/23/11


J-hnlie,

you still didn't answer Kathr's question.

What makes you think she observes Easter?

Hey, that's the same question I asked you when you accused me of observing Easter.

Are you ever going to answer the question? Oh, that's right.

IT'S OBVIOUS, right?

more railing accusations

Still haven't answered my other question

Do You Go To Jerusalem To Observe Passover?

Can we expect to hear an answer? Probably not. That means the answer OBVIOUS
---James_L on 8/22/11




JOHN i'll answer your question if you answer mine first...
i've repeated my question so many times, but i understand, if you answer my question to refute you lied, if you answer honnestly you condemn yourself according the freedom inChrist you claime. i know that you'll find it nesecary to deny what i just said.
(reminds me of Jesus in the temple)

yet of course there are two other waysto solve your dillema
1 You can anathema us and refuse to talk ever again,
2 You can yell and curse and insult us, maybe we'll ghet afraid enough to give in.
the ball is completally in your camp, but you fail to deliver. this said
GOD LOVES YOU AND SO DO I
---andy3996 on 8/23/11


John, what we do is have communion or the Lords supper the first of every month. Jesus said 'do this in remembrance of me' concerning the Covenant. Paul said we do this in remembering His death until He come. Isn't that interesting. His death? Not His Life, His risen Life.

Do you observe this and obey this? Is this what you call passover?
---kathr4453 on 8/23/11


Kathr, I wish you would make up your mind on what you believe about Christ. I just finished answering you on another blog concerning your answers when you said Christ was not eternal and you gave all this reasons why He was not. Now you write here'

"Christ is eternal, and doesn't Himself keep or observe any days, or weeks or months , or moons, or festivals, then His BODY isn't required to either."

Now you say Christ is eternal and give reasons why you believe what you do. As James L, said, you cannot hold both views to make your theology correct. Either He is eternal or He is not, make up your mind. Who do you say that He is?
---Mark_V. on 8/23/11


So Kathy you do NOT observe the Death, Cruxifixion and Ressurection of Our LOrd AT ALL! THE CORE OF CHRISTIANITY

IS THAT YOUR ANSWER THEN!

Andy, Francis... The same question I asked Kathy I now ask you guys.

Please explain if you do NOT oberve The Passover, then how do you justify observing Easter?

IS IT HOLIER???

OBVIOUSLY IF YOU DO NOT OBSERVE ONE... YOU OBSERVE THE OTHER.

SO WHY???
---John on 8/22/11


EXCEPT IF WHAT YOU SAID WAS TRUE THEN...
Why are you observing Easter?
---John on 8/22/11

John, what makes you think I observe Easter?
---kathr4453 on 8/22/11


That would all make sense Kathy.

EXCEPT IF WHAT YOU SAID WAS TRUE THEN...
Why are you observing Easter?
---John on 8/22/11


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WHY DO YOU NOT OBSERVE THE PASSOVER.BUT OBSERVE EASTER.
WHICH ONE IS HOLIER?
JOHN: Passover is the LAW
easter Is Gentile Christ worship i hate the name easter, and as a European i keep it that way. I CELEBRATE CHRISTIAN STYLE PASOVER, because I AM FREE
YOU celebrate JEWISH passover but is see you do it LEGALISTiCLY.
IF YOU WOULD celebrate passover "JUDASTYLE" in freedom,(that is without juding your brothers who donot see it you way) i might even join you when invited (NO PROBLEM). ALL I AM SAYING you make it a law, SO GET sircumsised.AS THE LAW YOU SAY YOU FOLLOW, insists.
---andy3996 on 8/22/11


Te hONLT way I would have to KEEP/observe the Passover, is only if Christ in me is keeping and observing it through me.

Christ is eternal, and doesn't Himself keep or observe any days, or weeks or months , or moons, or festivals, then His BODY isn't required to either. WE receive our instructions directly from the HEAD, that is Christ, and as a Born Again Jew, I for one do not observe these OT days that foreshaddowed and were an earthly picture book of what was to Come. Our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. I don't need the schoolmaster any longer. If I know how to read, I can put aside "SEE JANE RUN. RUN RUN RUN!

Christ has already come, died and risen. Now I live by the Faith of HIM TODAY, alive together with Him.
---kathr4453 on 8/21/11


What are your reasons for NOT observing Passover?

the passover feast requires a blood sacrifice to be observed properly. Since christ is our passover lamb, we no longer HAVE TO keep the passover due to that fact that we no longer sacrifice animals.

Passover is now an option
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

That being said. there is no reason why christians should not observe the passover, even with a meal of lamb and bread as we do the lord's supper.
---Francis on 8/21/11


Andy you are confused and need to study!
You are asking about The Laws.

This is a Holy Day
PLEASE ADDRESS THE QUESTION WITH DIRECT, CONCRETE FACTS!!!....

IT'S SIMPLE...
WHY DO YOU NOT OBSERVE THE PASSOVER.

BUT OBSERVE EASTER.

WHICH ONE IS HOLIER?
---John on 8/20/11


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J-hn,

since your posts do very little other than offer a railing accusastion against the saints, exactly the same way as Leslie's posts, I will refer to you as J-hnlie.

So, J-hnlie,

are you ever going to anser my questions to you?

Where have you ever seen me write that I observe Easter? that is nothing more than a railing accusation

Do You Go To Jerusalem To Observe The Passover? If not, tell us why YOU don't correctly observe it.

Time for the diversions and accusations to stop, J-hnlie.

Time for some answers from you. You also never answered Cluny's question - Why you're observing a half-way form of Kariate Judaism.

If he's wrong, how so?
---James_L on 8/19/11


JOHN, i did answer multiple times, if it is TIME OVER, then it deffenately is for YOU,
YOU FAIL TO ANWER ONE QUESTION
but let me put it easier for YOU
1 ARE YOU JEW? and if not,
2 ARE YOU sircumcised.
all of us (except you ) have answered from a genuine consideartion
we have not anwered anything else that
JESUS, PAUL or the GREAT RABBI'S ever thaught, what about you?
i have a Belgian friend who was a pastor, but somehow ended up in a kibuts in Israel who proselyted to Judaaism. now that kinda guy a respect however ido not agree. but at least he was honnest WHAT ABOUT YOU?
you didn't win anything and you know.
you are not honnest in performing parts and not the Whole law.
---andy3996 on 8/19/11


LIVING there since Passover 50 days earlier, according to the LAW
*****

and WHICH law was that? ANSWER - mosaic law aka laws of Moses aka MANS LAWS aka ordinances NOT GODS ordinances although HE allowed to demonstrate man cannot find a better way

Gods LAWS are 10 Commandments and anyone who is TRULY seeking understanding fully comprehends mosaic laws were created BY MOSES and these ordinances helped people OBEY

613 mosaic laws ABOLISHED by Christ because they were CONTRARY to Gods LAWS Col 2:14

stop blindly repeating LIES GIVEN by false ministers who DUPE many into belief mosaic laws are same as Gods LAWS ...begin READING Holy Scripture for truth rather than reading it THROUGH the lies of men
---Rhonda on 8/19/11


GAME OVER BOYS! I RAN OUT OF PEPTO BISMOL!

Time to answer the question DIRECTLY, CONCISELY, and HONESTLY!

Observe and learn for Darlene1. She answered the question honestly and directly. She didn't agree with me, but her heart belongs to G-d and she is a true seeker of G-d and a True Christian.

BUT YOU GUYS...

The run-of-mill Apostates with all types of games, diversions and lameness, All in order to sidestep the crosshairs.

I've seen you faces too many times before and I won't be baited to go down Satans road.

EITHER ANSWER THE QUESTION OR ADMIT YOU'RE APOSTATES!

VERY SIMPLE!
---John on 8/19/11


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\\Luke 2:39-52
Every year his parents went to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover.\\
---John on 8/18/11


John, that wasn't a "custom" apart from the Law to go to Jerusalem, it was part of the Law.

Deut 16:5-6
"You Are Not Allowed To Sacrifice The Passover In Any Of Your Towns Which The Lord Your God Is Giving You"
"But At The Place Where The Lord Your God Chooses To Establish His Name"

Why do you think there were devout Jews from every nation in Jerusalem in Acts 2? They had been LIVING there since Passover 50 days earlier, according to the LAW

Do you go to Jerusalem for Passover ???
---James_L on 8/19/11


JOHN you fail to answer my question, or are you affraid of the answer?
any true (religious) Jew will agree with me that a pagan who's not Judaised has no right in using P'sah, thats the law and thats HOW it was instituted BY GOD. I see now better that we who do not follow the OT-passover are scriptorally more correct then those who do.desiring to become Jew but no courage to go all the way.
i have nothing against my Jewish brothers but still i'm not a jew just as i have no right to westernise my Jewish brother's ways of worship, even if he is messianic jew. i believe that this was exactely what Paul wrote about. (if your a jew donot try to undo it, if your not dont try to become one.
---andy3996 on 8/19/11


\\Christ our Passover Lamb...So it was removed...\\
---John

\\What you are essentially saying is: We should disregard the OT and its teachings, since(in your opinion) it has been replaced.\\
---John


Wait a minute. You said that something in the OT has been removed ??? So when it's convenient for you, you'll agree that the old way was removed. I see.


Also, 1Cor 5:7-8 says "With The Unleavened Bread Of Sincerity And Truth"

SO, the bread has been removed too.

Without lamb and bread, what are you observing? A FAKE Passover.

But if we don't observe a fake Passover like you do, it's blashpemy?

Thanks, John. Hypocrisy well noted.
---James_L on 8/18/11


YOUR ANSWERS JAMESL...
You obseve Passover without lamb, where is that found in scripture?

Corinthians 5:7 For now Christ our Passover Lamb is sacrificed for us:-So it was removed from the Table.

You like to appeal to the customs of Jews/claim that Jesus did it that way, but where is biblical proof?

Luke 2:39-52
Every year his parents went to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover.

The Lord promised He would keep the passover (Mt. 26:18), (Mk. 14:14). He appointed the place for that event and gave instructions for the preparation (Mk. 14:12ff). His last Passover on Earth! (Mt. 26:21, Mk. 14:18).

YOU NEED TO STUDY!!!

End of the diversions/answer the Topic Concretely, directly and concisely!!!
---John on 8/18/11


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Donna5535 God was revealed to me from the time time I was a tiny, and through my faith walking,praying,Bible reading,filled with the Holy Ghost,church going Mother. When I got old enough to remember,I recall the faith and love of God her teaching and example gave me. You see God/Holy Spirit was drawing me all my life but formally accepted Christ at 11. We are born again by the blood of Jesus and resurrection when we repent and he forgives our sin. 1Peter 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us New Birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Baptism signifies our death,burial with Christ,and resurrection to be a new creature,a Spiritual man in Christ.
---Darlene_1 on 8/18/11


Kathr,

Good stuff in all three posts.

We celebrate the Passover through faith in Christ's atoning work.

Unfortunately, some do not celebrate it, they try to "observe" Passover through rituals.

That would be ok for John as a weaker brother (Rom 14:1-23), but when that weaker brother attempts to push that observance onto others, it becomes legalism.
---James_L on 8/18/11


Like all the Old Testament Jewish Feasts, the Passover Feast was a foreshadowing of Christs atoning work on the cross. Colossians 2:16-17 tells us that we should "let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ" .

While it is not required for Christians to celebrate the Passover, it is beneficial to study it and could be beneficial to a greater understanding and appreciation for Christs death and resurrection. The Passover is a wonderful picture of Christs atonement for His people and His deliverance of us from the bondage of sin. That is something we should celebrate every day of our lives.
---kathr4453 on 8/18/11


sircumsized???

OUCH!

I hope every one is circumcised with Colossians 2 circumcision, in the cutting away of the sins of the FLESH, by the Circumcision of Jesus Christ.

I believe NT Saints acknowledge Pentecost, not Passover. Jesus IS our Passover. If He is "my life", "my Passover", "my HOPE", "my REST" etc, then I observe ALL those things and more 365/24/7.



---kathr4453 on 8/18/11


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Fact be known, Passover is not about the Resurrection:

It is important to note that the Christian Passover ceremony, which includes the bread and wine, proclaims the Lord's death, not specifically his resurrection. Paul confirmed this when he wrote, "For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes" 1Corinthians 11:26.
---kathr4453 on 8/18/11


JOHN JOHN, CAN YOU ANSWER? John i do hope that you're sircumsized because: Exodus 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it, and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
Leviticus 19:23 And when ye shall come into the land, and shall have planted all manner of trees for food, then ye shall count the fruit thereof as uncircumcised: three years shall it be as uncircumcised unto you: it shall not be eaten of.then again Paul says about sircumcision Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
---andy3996 on 8/18/11


Just answer my questions, John.

I referenced OLD TESTAMENT passages showing that YOU are observing a FALSE Passover, following the traditions of men rather than the commandments God.

You're the one throwing around the accusations of blasphemy, just like the Scribes, Pharisees and Saducees did.

So just answer the questions. ALL OF THEM.

Again, why do you not observe the Passover with a SACRIFICED LAMB, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE ???

According to your own judgment, you are a blasphemer.

According to Jesus, you are a hypocrite and a false teacher.

splinters and planks and such.

Whitewashed tomb full of dead mens' bones.

Otherwise, you would answer the questions

FROM SCRIPTURE.
---James_L on 8/17/11


JamesL, You're using convuluted logic. You confuse and overlap Laws with cultural and Holy Days and Sciptural teachings.

They're "NOT" the same!

What you are essentially saying is: We should disregard the OT and its teachings, since(in your opinion) it has been replaced.

This is a teaching of the Cult called "Church of Christ" which does not have the OT in their Bibles.

It seems you may belong to this Cult, Since anything at all coming from the OT is voided.

Thats your arguement and I gave it the time its really NOT worth.

PLEASE STUDY SCRIPTURE NT/OT.
You find how they are one in the same. G-d is the same yesterday, today, and forever!
---John on 8/17/11


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John i do hope that you're sircumsized because: Exodus 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it, and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
Leviticus 19:23 And when ye shall come into the land, and shall have planted all manner of trees for food, then ye shall count the fruit thereof as uncircumcised: three years shall it be as uncircumcised unto you: it shall not be eaten of.then again Paul says about sircumcision Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
---andy3996 on 8/17/11


John,

you answer questions with questions, so...

Where have you ever seen me write that I observe Easter?

Do you mean bunnies and eggs?

Why do you deflect from your own blasphemy which I have brought to light?

You obseve Passover without lamb, where is that found in scripture?

You like to appeal to the customs of Jews, and claim that Jesus did it that way, but where is biblical proof?

Why is it blasphemy to observe Passover according to the scriptural mandate?

Did Jesus observe the Sabbath in the same customary way of His time, or our time? What makes you think He did ANYTHING according to strict custom? He Fulfilled the LAW, not customs of sages.

SCRIPTURE, PLEASE
---James_L on 8/17/11


Well JamesL since you so actively taunt, trash and make fun of G-ds Passover.

Please tell us why you observe Easter and why it is Holier and more sacred than The Passover. Please site scripture.
---John on 8/17/11


J-hn,

I think you are the one who needs to study the Passover.

Ex 12, Num 9, Deut 16

If you are not eating a SACRIFICED LAMB, in the place where the Lord has established His Name, with your whole family, exactly at twilight, then you are not observing Passover correctly.

Numbers 9:3
"you shall observe it according to all its statutes and according to all its ordinances."


What BIBLICAL authority do you have for observing it any other way?

You think following the dead rituals of a make-believe Passover is going to make God pat you on the back?

Jesus ate lamb (Mark 14:12)

The temple is GONE, and the Passover ritual is gone too.


Jesus is our Passover (1Cor 5:7)
---James_L on 8/16/11


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Deut:12:30

"Be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying,

How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.

You must "NOT" worship the Lord your God in their way!

because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the Lord hates.

See that you do "ALL" I command you, DO NOT ADD TO IT OR TAKE AWAY FROM IT!
---John on 8/16/11


No problem Darlene.
I tend to be confrontional
---John on 8/16/11


John thank you for the Bible verse. I am not trying to be argumentive and I can see you realize that by being helpful to me and my request. Read the verse, compared it to other translations but it only helped me see it is telling Christ is the Passover and the Feast/Fesival still to me is the Communion we take of the Bread and Wine plus feasting every day on the Word and Jesus dwelling wihin us. I still feel I celebrate the Passover Christ every day with praise and worship. The unleavened bread we are to celebrate the Passover Lamb Christ with is sincerty and truth and we are to purge out old leaven that we may be new lump of unleavened. Donna 5535 thank you that is a kind offer,musxt go,sck headache right now will ge back to you. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/16/11


It always amazes me how people would resist, argue and critisize and find excuses after excuses NOT to obey G-d Holy Day of Passover.

YET!!!!

These same Hyprocrites would Observe Pagan Emperors Constantines Easter without the slightest concern or question or argument.

FOR AFTER ALL
CONSTANTINE IS G-D!

There was no Easter before 376AD. Actually it was not accepted until 500ad.

So.... what do you think Christians celebrated for the 500yrs before Easter came about????
---John on 8/16/11


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Darlene1, Robert Heidrick did an EXCELLENT teaching on Gentiles celebrating Passover and why they should do it.

He used Scriptures all throughout his teaching. I typed up his entire message, studied it and then began to ask the Lord about it.

I'd be happy to send you a copy by way of United States Mail. I don't have it on email.

Can I ask you a question? How did the Lord reveal to you and to others on this board HOW we are to Become the Bride of Christ? Does it just happen? (most think so) but it comes by Revelation by the Holy Spirit.

I may send the anti-passover comments to Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets, and Robert Heidrick and see what they say.
---Donna5535 on 8/16/11


NEWSFLASH JamesL!

You do NOT eat Lamb on Passover. IT IS FORBIDDEN!!! for either the Jew or the Christian.

YOU NEED TO STUDY...
before posting sarcasism based on absolute ignorance of The Passover.

The Jews have not eaten Passover Lamb since the Temple has been destroyed(70AD).
IT'S CONSIDERED BLASPHEMY!

The Christians do not eat Lamb since G-d gave us the final Lamb.
IT'S CONSIDERED BLASPHEMY!

PLEASE STUDY BEFORE COMMENTING!
IT WASTES TIME!
---John on 8/16/11


John, i did like your answer, yet the bible lets us free in what way we can celebrate passover. to say (not you) that the christian way is idolatry i cannot accept and i believe it only brings bad blood between true messianic jews and Christians. It keeps our Jewish brothers in a grayzone nobody wants. there is indeed a zeal in you and others which is commendable, still that same zeal was in Peter, and Christ needed to break it out of Him before he could be used.
---andy3996 on 8/16/11


"...but it was only when the Holy Spirit began to reveal to me that Gentile Christians are to celebrate it." Donna5535

Really? As Darlene so kindly asked you to show Scriptural backing to your claims, I'll be that unclean and uncut character by saying: what you mean to say is it was the unholy spirit that revealed this to you, right?

Do you know what is the Doctrine of Balaam? Because, that's what you and John are teaching in this particular blog.
---christan on 8/16/11


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John,

The reason I don't celebrate the Passover is because I don't own any sheep or goats, and don't know anyone who does.

I can't buy one because Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple.

On top of that, someone came and tore down the temple when nobody was looking.

Also, there are only three people in my house, so we need another 25 or 30 people to be able to eat a whole lamb.

And on top of that, you took 1Cor 5:7-8 out of context
---James_L on 8/16/11


PartII

Your next question is, How should Christians observe the Passover?

Again, the Bible gives a clear answer. What better example could we have than that of our Lord Jesus Himself? According to the Gospels, He celebrated the Passover with His Disciples in the traditional Seder that the sages had prescribed for His time. The core of the modern Seder predates the time of Yeshua and was the order which He employed in the Last Supper.
---John on 8/15/11


Here's your answer Darlene1...


When we remain faithful to the Bible, the answer is clear and unequivocal:(1 Cor. 5:7-8). "Because Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us, therefore, "LET US OBSERVE THE FESTIVAL" [Passover and Unleavened Bread],with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

This directive is from a Christian apostle Paul who even then was still a Jewish Rabbi, and it was given to Gentiles.

What could possibly be more apparent?
---John on 8/15/11


Donna5535 you know I love and respect you as my Sister-in-Christ but I must ask you for the Bible verses the Holy Spirit gave you to back up what you are saying. I must see it for myself that the New Testament says all Gentile Christians are to celebrate passover. I also,please,want to see the verses where it says its not a Jewish Holiday,its God's Holiday,and God wants us to celebate it with him. If its not spelled out plainly for us to do it,in the NT its not in effect. 1Corinthians 5:7 Purge out,therefore the old leven,that you may be a new lump,as you are unleavened. For Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us. We don't need rituals for we are complete in Jesus. Thanks God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/15/11


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it is good to see that indeed God is bringing the Jew back as the apostle Paul prophecied in the letter of Romans, but still that does not indicate that we, the non jews should all of the sudden Judaise ourself. there is a difference between the two. (read Galatians)on the other hand Donna, and still in the same line as Paul if you prefer one day let that not be a matter of quarrel between. i know alot of messianic jews who see it the way i see this, and who respect me in my gentile state as i love them in their Jewish state. sadly it is often a fellowgentile who wants to judaise more
---andy3996 on 8/15/11


Thats great news Donna5535!

As a gentile I went through the same journey as you. The Holy Spirit began to teach me things I never knew.

Looks like he's doing the same with you as he does with a true G-d seekers. Seek and you shall find.

May I suggest you visit a good Messianic Church.

Or check out the site for "Shuva Israel" in Irvine Ca. Larry Feldman is the Pastor. Considered one of the best Messianic Church. Its about 50/50 Jews and Gentile, Now 100% Christians:)

They have all their sermons online. I used to attend that church. It was enlightening.

There is a small book called 'Jesus in the passover" which is also very good.
---John on 8/15/11


The passover was given so that Jews would remember the events in Egypt and in the desert same with the other festivals. When Jesus came he did away with the Old Law that does not save but brought forth the new coventant. Also I am not a Jew so why should I act like a Jew.
---Scott1 on 8/15/11


On the contrary John, I DO celebrate Passover, but it was only when the Holy Spirit began to reveal to me that Gentile Christians are to celebrate it.
So I read how to do it. I asked the Lord and Jewish People questions about it and since 2008 I now celebrate Passover. ALL Gentile Christians should celebrate it. It is not a Jewish holiday only, it is God's Holiday and God wants us to celebrate it with Him.
---Donna5535 on 8/15/11


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What Gentile Christians do according to the Holy Spirit and Apostles. Acts 15:19,20 It is my judgement(KJV it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and us-Apostles),therefore,that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them telling them,to abstain from food polluted by idols,from sexual immorality,from the meat of strangled animals,and from blood. Of course we know Jesus told us to take bread and wine which represent his blood and body to remember him by. It's sad when Christians try to obey both OC & NC,they're mistaken,Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant new he has made the first obsolete and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear. OC isn't in effect for Gentiles.
---Darlene_1 on 8/15/11


What is wrong with this picture...

PASSOVER... A Holy Day decreed by G-d!

Ignored/considered trivial and insignificant by YOU!

EASTER....A Day Decreed Holy by Pagan Emperor Constantine is 376AD. A man who boiled his wife alive and murder his children(I.e.Nero)

EXTREMELY Holy Day! Very very signifcant and Revered by YOU! A day you do penence for 40-days prior and the whole week during.

So what do YOU see in your mirror???

Do you see a Christian Following G-ds will?

Or an Apostate making excuses so you can continue to observe a ManMade holiday and recieve approval of other men. (Making sure you don't look like Jew!)

Yet who cares about G-d. YOU don't even see Him anyway.

DO YOU?
---John on 8/14/11


Rhonda you did say
"rcc teaches pagan days Christ condemned ...by rejecting Holy Passover ONE simply REJECTS Christ who IS the Passover Lamb"
Ok please give a gentle answer where Jesus condemned ANY PAGAN day, since Jesus ministerd to the Jews, he did not say much about Pagan's and their customs.
secondly and without anger, WHAT is according to YOU a holy Passover?
as i said before, our christian passover we celebrate brings us closer to Christ, so how would Christ reject someone who honnestly seeks HIM?
---andy3996 on 8/14/11


Christ already died to provide my Passover.
---Trish9863

Except the Apostles and ALL the early Christians observed The Passover.

Also, Jews do not sacrifice/eat Lamb for Passover today. Neither did the early Christians.

Do you even understand the meaning of Passover and Messiah?

The Hymms sang by Christ(The Hallel)
The Meaning of each cup of wine and why Jesus stop after the 3rd cup.

The Matzah that is broken in the middle of the stack.
The bitters
The Elijah cup.
and so much more!

If you only knew what this G-d given Holy Day was about.

You would mourn in tears of your sinful ignorance!

You will never know Christ unless you know G-ds Holy Days and Judism.
---John on 8/14/11


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John, you consider my post silly and childish...merely your opinion. (It should read "Christ too is my passover lamb!). "This is the typical silly Cop-out to disobey G-d rather than a reason. What do you say to G-d who will NOT be mocked by such silliness. How do you answer HIM?" Darlene gave an excellent reason I happen to agree, therefore, no need to repeat, so I say Amen, Christ IS my passover lamb. How is that mocking or disobeying God? I answer to God, not you, and go before Him daily, even at times moment by moment. Worthy is the Lamb that was slain and it is by and through Him that I am able to have all that is not of Him/sin passed over, to the praise and glory of His name. Do you have a problem with that?
---Chria9396 on 8/14/11


Worthy is the Lamb that was slain. I do not have to sacrifice another lamb. Nor do I have to observe the Law. Christ already died to provide my Passover.

"When I see the blood, I will Passover you." The Lord's blood has already been shed.

It is finished.
---Trish9863 on 8/13/11


Well, If the question was...

Why do you NOT observe Easter?

Then People like Myself, Rhonda. Leslie and others would and have been giving "REAL" concrete answers as to why. We would say(as we did in numerous posts)Easter is pagan, G-d forbids it, Honors the Goddess Ishtar, Babylonian eggs, Rabbits etc. Not Biblical.

So we ask ...

Why do YOU NOT observe Passover?

You would then give concrete answers as well. Its Pagan, Not Biblical, G-d fobids it, Jesus never observed it. Honors the Goddess Passover etc.

The question is design so you do NOT dodge the crosshairs and sideswipe the issue with silly "Jesus loves you" non-answers!

SO WE'RE WAITING FOR A REAL CONCRETE ANSWER!
---John on 8/13/11


While I observe Passover, I believe the ones that do not, and argue it is not of God, are NOT really Christians, and also want to DISOBEY God so they can do things their own way. Also, because they like the majority of our founding fathers of the faith (ie: Martin Luther) are anti-Jew, so they basicly say I love Jesus but will not follow Him unless I can take the Jewishness out of Him (which is IDOLATRY).
---Leslie on 8/13/11


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Rhonda,
every year, our church celebrates good friday, and sillent saterday with a fast (grief of Christ's death) whilst we meditate toghether upon Christ's accomplished work. then sunday morning early we rise and walk around to "proclaim Christ Is Risen" after wich we enter the church with Praise and thanksgiving songs and resurection preaching. at the end of the service we all sit down and share an agap-meal, where the baptised members also partake on Holy supper. a very Christian manifestation that brings us closer in relation with the LORD. can you tell me where Christ CONDEMNED his disciples of worshipping HIM?
now my question when and how is your "holy passoer celebrated?
---andy3996 on 8/13/11


therefore (however i love kosjer food) is it so that we do not need to follow the jewish ways od Pesach again.
****

what does kosher food have to do with rejecting Holy Passover?

not one verse indicates a "jewish passover" that is from false teachings of man

likewise no Scripture supports a "christian" Passover - just another LIE

Apostles NEVER observed pagan easter or pagan resurrection - not ONE verse supports these abominations

rcc teaches pagan days Christ condemned ...by rejecting Holy Passover ONE simply REJECTS Christ who IS the Passover Lamb
---Rhonda on 8/13/11


John, read carefully what Darlene has written. Even I cannot phrase it any better than Darlene did. And supporting her written explanation, Bruce5656 has provided you with two wonderful verses from the Scripture that contradicts your understanding, that you are preaching is nothing more than what Christ warned us,

"Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed, neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light, and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops." Luke 12:1,2,3
---christan on 8/13/11


Darlene1, Amen! Christ tii is my passover lamb!!!!!
---Chria9396
This is the typical silly Cop-out to disobey G-d rather than a reason. What do you say to G-d who will NOT be mocked by such silliness. How do you answer HIM?

I have observed that when "Christians" cannot justify/answer a direct question that say something very childish/silly.

The Typical "Holier-than-thou" NON-statements.

I HEAR.

"Well I'm saved by grace" "Christ fulfilled the law" thats all I care about escape clauses etc.
(Nauseating)
I asked what is your REASON for Disobeying G-d?

So its...
"I disobey G-d and refuse to observe His Holy Days because?...
---John on 8/13/11


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Darlene1, Amen! Christ tii is my passover lamb!!!!!
---Chria9396 on 8/13/11


Rhonda, however i think the difference between Jewish passover and Christian passover are quite fundamental, whilst the Jews celebrate the deliverance of the people out of Egypt, we celebrate Christ risen, that is why we celebrate Christian passover always on a sunday (the day of the week that the Lord rose)
therefore (however i love kosjer food) is it so that we do not need to follow the jewish ways od Pesach again.
even in christianity there are different days for passover i presume. we westerners copy easely the RCC yearly dates calculated on the gregoarian calender whilst i believe the eastern ortodox churches might use another calculation system, but this part is better left over to Cluny, could you enlighten us?
---andy3996 on 8/13/11


why you're observing a half-way form of Kariate Judaism. And you're still not okay.
****

labeling Holy Passover a "Jewish day" demonstrates pure ignorance ...Holy Day of Passover given to people of GOD - FIRST Hebrews ...the JEW is simply 1 of 12 tribes of Israel

Christ gave NEW symbols Luke 22:20, Matt 26:26 ...NOTHING else changed for Gods Holy Passover only addition of foot washing ordinance ..simple understanding found in Holy Scripture

many taught by lying false ministers to observe ancient babylon traditions of easter and resurrection sunday and by REJECTING Gods Holy Passover they reject the lamb Christ Jesus
---Rhonda on 8/13/11


Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.

1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
---Bruce5656 on 8/13/11


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John I don't celebrate the Passover because Christ became the Passover Lamb slain once for eternity,therefore there is no longer need to observe the Old Law of ordinaces/rituals repeated over and over,year after year,for we walk in Christs Law of the Spirit. We need no Passove Lamb's blood for the doorposts,the Blood of the Son of God covers us now and not just the doorposts. I now observe his life,death,and resurrection every day through obedience,prayer,praise,and worship not once a year but all the time. I take the bread and wine when I can. We are to take the bread and wine for Jesus said to do it in remembrance of him and that is what I obey.
---Darlene_1 on 8/13/11


\\Dutch Pasen, frnch Paque. honnestly i never heard about easter before i was 22 years of age.
---andy3996 on 8/13/11\\

This is what I keep on telling John. Almost every European language uses PASCHA or a phonetic equivalent.

I don't know why he doesn't believe me. Maybe he will believe you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/13/11


I agree, Passover or in Hebrew (Pesach) was given by the LORD. the LORD takes full ownership of his feast days. Leviticus 23:1-4 The stranger is also told to observe his Feast days ( appointed time)Easter is a pangan holiday commemorating the so call Queen of heaven Ishtar. Do your research. Yeshua did not ressurected on Easter Sunday. The ennemy has forged a lie. Yeshua is are Pasover and we are told to to commemorate his death for us. 1 Corthians 5:7-8 I have a lesson on the Passover, if anyone what like to no more.
---Anthony_Wadlington on 8/13/11


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