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Just as Christ raised Lazarus, the same way He raises those who are dead in trespasses and sin. Those who are spiritually dead, separated from God.

"Lazarus, come forth! And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with gravechlothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth, Jesus said to them, 'Loose him, and let him go"

Could Lazarus respond to Christ, while dead, and say to Him, "I do not want to come forward." or " I don't want to come to life" or "why do you force yourself on me?" What he did do was rise from the dead, just like all those who are born of the Spirit. God does not force you, He just does as pleases Him. He needs no permission to bring you to life.
---Mark_V. on 10/24/11


//Keeping THIS MIND IN YOU that was also In Christ, who made Himself of No reputation, but became obedient unto death, even death of a cross....whereby THEN God will exalt you.
---
True but much depends upon how well the clay can be molded.

Romans 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

I could agree that our theological views are really not necessary to proclaim Christ, Him crucified, dead, buried and resurrected, that we are saved thru His blood.
---lee1538 on 10/24/11


LeeJ, no one can mis-interpret this,

Keeping THIS MIND IN YOU that was also In Christ, who made Himself of No reputation, but became obedient unto death, even death of a cross....whereby THEN God will exalt you.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/11


kathr4453//No LeeJ, my desire is to point to Christ Crucified, as it is my ONLY desire here on line for the last 8 years.

If that is your aim, it is a good one,however, you should also realize that differing interpretations of Scripture such as found in the doctrine of Election, Predestination, & sovereignity of God can be defended and solely from scripture alone.

But all we have seen of late is your verbal condemnation at those who have different interpretations of Scripture.
---lee1538 on 10/24/11


Craig, you said,
"What I cant understand is why some men cant see that God is sovereign and also allows man to make choices at the same time."
God does allow men to make choices. Whatever choice they make, He already knows. For He is Almighty God. He knows everyone of His elect, they are His sheep who hear Jesus Words. ( John 10:27-30).
"for whom He foreknew, (God's elect, chosen by God from the foundation of the world) He also foreordained to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren, and whom He called (the Elect), them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified" ( Rom. 8:29,30).
---Mark_V. on 10/24/11




//My gut feeling is you are a very dissentious person, desiring only to draw attention to yourself. Perhaps you have an inferiority complex that you need professional help with.
---lee1538 on 10/23/11 //

No LeeJ, my desire is to point to Christ Crucified, as it is my ONLY desire here on line for the last 8 years.

See how you constantly bash others who exalt Christ and not man or your superior insight into others heart.

Humble yourself Leej, and then God will exalt you HIS WAY!

You make FUN of those who have a personal relationship with Chrisat as though it is secondary to your book knowledge.

However Jesus said no man can even KNOW teh Father except Through a personal relationship with Christ.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/11


Amos 8:9 "In that day," declares the Sovereign LORD, NIV

", In that day" Saith the Lord God KJV

So in the NIV GOD is replaced with Sovereiign.

In the Strongs Concordance, neither Lord or God has the definition of Sovereign.

When looking in the Strongs..Sovereign is not even listed.

But here nor there, we all know God is God, and Lord Is Lord, The Lord God Almighty is LORD God Almighty over all His creation.

But as CraigA stated, The Lord God Almighty has given man free will to Choose Life or death.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/11


So the point is, Some say here, Oh You NEED to study the Sovereignty of God to know God.

I say, That's garbage,

One needs to KNOW God to KNOW God.

And Jesus Christ died on a Cross to reconcile man back to God SO THAT WE CAN KNOW GOD!

12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased, and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/11


The point is....to use the word "Sovereign" with "Lord God Almighty" is rather REDUNDANT isn't it? "Redundant" is unneeded or duplicated information.
Redundant is the use of words in a sentence with the same meaning.

And these guys think they are soooooooo much more intelligent than others.

I've had my laugh for the day!!(not you CraigA), but others nautious hacking on The Sovereiignty of God, as though it meant something else.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/11


//My gut feeling is you are a very dissentious person, desiring only to draw attention to yourself. Perhaps you have an inferiority complex that you need professional help with.
---lee1538 on 10/23/11 //


Self-diagnosis?
---jerry6593 on 10/24/11




kathr you know I am correct because now you see markv everywhere just as you see calvin everywhere. you are going bunkers lady. my message is, do not attack the messengers and murder them, you do not need to grow up but a new heart.
---Adam on 10/24/11


"The sovereign Lord" is used many times in Amos and Isaiah.

What I cant understand is why some men cant see that God is sovereign and also allows man to make choices at the same time. The only thing for certain is his FINAL JUDGMENT! Thats the entire purpose of His word is to warn us of it and offer us an escape from it.

God wanted Moses to speak to Pharoah (his sovereign choice). Moses refused saying he wasnt a good speaker. This angered the Lord, but ya know what.... The Lord picked Aaron instead!
---CraigA on 10/23/11


Everyone that answers against what you say and give you passages you use evil to answer.
---Adam on 10/23/11


MarkV, why don't you grow up!


Leej, continuing our conversation re: Calvinism, I believe anyone who constantly harps on the Sovereignty of God, predestination and election all in the same breath no doubt are pushing the Calvin Doctrine.

However, the Word "Sovereignty" is not even stated once in Scripture.

You use a word and base your understanding of God on a word not even mentioned. You state Election is based on His Sovereignty. Yes, this is true of Israel, however THE CHURCH is based on being the CALLED OUT ones.

In Isaac will thy seed BE CALLED!
---kathr4453 on 10/23/11


I do not believe ALL creatures are clean for us to eat, but i wouldn't say it is a sin to eat certain creatures in some circumstances

Humans have a natural instinct to not eat dogs and cats for example, and certain other things and that instinct exists for a reason

We would never eat vultures because they are consumers of all kinds of rubbish (pigs also used to do this), and insects (again our instinct)

Cats instinctively will not eat certain kinds of birds which are proven to be unhealthy for it

Lions will not eat hyenas - for a reason
---glen on 10/23/11


Kath4453//Leej. unfortunately by your reading so much Calvinism,, you assume anyone not a Calvinist MUST be an Arminian.

My library is rather diversified as I read much of every view, even Dave Hunt's books, a major challenger to what is popularly known as Calvinism.

What is doubtful to me is whether you really know what constitutes Calvinism. From your posts it seems you brand anyone who believes in the scripture that addresses election, predestination, sovereignity of God as being Calvinistic.

My gut feeling is you are a very dissentious person, desiring only to draw attention to yourself. Perhaps you have an inferiority complex that you need professional help with.
---lee1538 on 10/23/11


Kathr here you go again, answering with remarks against others because you do not have an answer to what they say. this time Calvin comes out. what does he have to do with anything anyone is saying? why not just answer to what they say, instead of trying to build a case against them? Your actions I call evil. Everyone that answers against what you say and give you passages you use evil to answer.
---Adam on 10/23/11


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//There is a scecies of hyper academics in the Christian community who take the life out of our faith.

I can only agree as we often see many that are almost totally uneducated having the strongest faith.

//Thankfully our Lord selected mostly ordinary, humble men to be His apostles.

Paul of Tarsus was an exception, educated, well trained Pharisee.

//I am also saddened by the hyper Calvinism some promote.

I am also, this was brought out in Chosen but Free by Geiser. We need to avoid both extreme Calvinism and extreme Arminianism.

However, one of this forum quickly brands other as being Calvinist if they believe in the scripture that addresses predestination, the Elect, or the sovereignty of God.
---lee1538 on 10/22/11


If you do not a Calvinist (defined by Kathr4453 as one that believes in the sovereignty of God), then you have to be a follower of Arminius.

Is this where the term Pecker Heads came from??
---lee1538 on 10/22/11


Leej. unfortunately by your reading so much calvinism,, you assune anyone not a Calvinist MUST be an Arminian.

This is where you are so very very wrong, and where your ignorance stands out the most.

I'm neither.

I know Warwick, there are wonderful teachers God has GIFTED for the Body of Christ, and those who are Born Again know who they are.

They don't peck away at you, but build you up IN THE FAITH and the truth of God's Word.

They use scripture to teach scripture ACCURATELY!
---kathr4453 on 10/22/11


Kath, I agree.

There is a scecies of hyper academics in the Christian community who take the life out of our faith. They may say they believe in the Holy Spirit but do not practise the gifts. Where is the life in this?

Thankfully our Lord selected mostly ordinary, humble men to be His apostles. No degrees in ancient sanscrit necessary.

Don't get me wrong I benefit from the insight of many highly qualified people who put God and His Word first, not impressed with changing philosophies of man, preferring the Rock of God's truth.

I am also saddened by the hyper Calvinism some promote.

"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly."
---Warwick on 10/22/11


I think we can all see here the motive and actions of the Arminianists here and in our churches. They peck peck peck away at your faith, obedience, conscience, LOVE, walk in the Spirit until they think they have pecked away any traces of your life in Christ, wanting to replace it with their own exalted idea that they and their opinion alone matters.

If you do not a Calvinist (defined by Kathr4453 as one that believes in the sovereignty of God), then you have to be a follower of Arminius.

Is this where the term Pecker Heads came from??
---lee1538 on 10/22/11


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1 John 2:14
I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and "ye have" OVERCOME the wicked one.


John 15:7
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.


Some things just can't be pecked away at!
---kathr4453 on 10/22/11


I think we can all see here the motive and actions of the Calvinist here and in our churches. They peck peck peck away at your faith, obedience, conscience, LOVE, walk in the Spirit until they think they have pecked away any traces of your life in Christ, wanting to replace it with their own exalted idea that they and their opinion alone matters.

They are so over the top with their head knowledge that they can never really sore above the worms of the earth.

Is this where the term Pecker Heads came from??
---kathr4453 on 10/22/11


1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
---kathr4453 on 10/22/11


Usually those that hate knowledge are the ones that are not teachable but believing that all they really need is to have a personal relationship to the Lord.
---lee1538 on 10/21/11


No those who have become GNOSTICS believing that is knowledge have no personal relatinship with Christ, who is our teacher.

Be not many teachers for they shall receive the greatest punishment. OH interesting, a Christian will actually receive punishment...

That's what the Bible says.
Paul said:
Thou you have 10,000 teachers, but not many FATHERS, be ye followers of me the way I am of Christ.

SO, it's better to OBEY this and be an overcomer than a GNOSTIC!
---kathr4453 on 10/22/11


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LeeJ, every time you open your mouth, the Lord brings to mind 2 Timothy 3.

You can't sneak in my house Leej, so go knock on some other silly woman's door!
---kathr4453 on 10/22/11


//Food already chewed up and spit out for others to graze on will never give you the power or strength you will have in TASTING the Word of God for yourselves.
---
Howbeit, the Lord has given to His church, those who are teachers and is it not His will that we should listen to them so that we may grow spiritually, and be of more use to others?

Usually those that hate knowledge are the ones that are not teachable but believing that all they really need is to have a personal relationship to the Lord.
---lee1538 on 10/21/11


Yes, and the best diet of all is streight out of teh Word of God. That way we know there are no additives, MSG, sugar, red food dye, or other ingredients not mentioned.

It will never clague your arteries and is the BEST FOOD FOR THE HEART!

Food already chewed up and spit out for others to graze on will never give you the power or strength you will have in TASTING the Word of God for yourselves.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


Jerry, you can think of a covenant similar to what a last will and testament is. If the older version is modified, it is no longer applicable thro there may be some things in common with its replacement.

Apparently Adventists simply have decided to custom design their own religious system along with their own Jesus and their own gospel. And that is why they have such wide wide wide wide disagreements with Biblical Christians.
---lee1538 on 10/21/11


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Jerry //The fact is the Bible makes no mention whatever as to the change in content of the law in the New Covenant, neither does it make any statement about your "Sunday Sabbath" conjecture.
---
God made a NEW covenant with His people, meaning He made a New agreement with them, making the old agreement or Covenant obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

I fail to see why you deliberately ignore what is plainly written in Scripture. Perhaps too much garbage from Ellen White is clogging your brain.

There is NO requirement for Christians to observe any day. (read Romans 14)
---lee1538 on 10/21/11


Mark, you would have people believe I am talking of OT dietry laws when they were not even in my mind. Far from it. Further I can see not the slightest hint of this in what I have written. Why do your therefore claim this?
---Warwick on 10/20/11


Warwick, I never suggested you or anyone to eat certain foods. Not one time. But I disagree that there is restrictions on what we can eat now. Your conscience tells you there is, and I will never ask you to go against conscience.
Romans 14:14 speaks concerning foods and conscience. "But to him it is unclean"
Here I'm reminded by Scripture that if you believe something to be unclean, I should not do anything to make you go against Conscience. So I never ask you to eat what I believe is good to eat. If I did, I would not be walking in love. It even says, "Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died" But all of you ask us to not eat what you believe in your conscience is wrong.
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11


The fellow who mentored me passed down some words of wisdom that I use to keep my health in perspective. If I knew I was going to live this long I would have taken better care of myself. If God wants me around for 60 more years I want to be able to function with as few rips, wholes and broken poles in this old tent as possible. Its pretty much like a car, it wont run forever, but you will generally get out of it what you put into it, so change the oil, plugs and check your fluids and you will be on the road with a lot less problems than folks who dont.
In His grip
---Poppa_Bear on 10/20/11


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Mark, having eaten in the homes of Christians of various denominations I can say that generally speaking Adventists eat more healthy and nutritious food.

I cannot see how what you quoted suggests we should eat unhealthy food. As Jerry correctly points out our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, and an amazing thing which will serve us well and long, if we look after it. If you were given the gift of a car would you thank the giver by misusing and abusing it? Of course not.

In my travels in the US I observed church leaders who were grossly overweight and unhealthy, tucking into massive amounts of unhealthy food. Christisn gluttons do not set a good example.

Aren't we to be people of moderation and self control?
---Warwick on 10/20/11


MarkV: "What we can be sure of is that everyone will die, and at the exact time."

And just what time is that? Do we all have an expiration date that is independant of our actions and external circumstances?

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
---jerry6593 on 10/20/11


Warwick, When nutirtion is mention, most times it has to do with SDA believes. I really don't know why. God says,
"Do not destroy the work of God ( those are Christians who have been redeemed by the efforts of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, not his own works ) For the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense" Here, "eats with offense means," One who uses those God-given liberties carelessly and selfishly, offending his weaker brother.
Then he says,
"Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith, for whatever is not of faith is sin"
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11


Mark, my point is that a person living a healthy lifestyle will be better off than a person who lives an unhealthy lifestyle.

We know there are many genetic defects in the human genome which make individuals susceptible to certain conditions. But none the less the result of these can be minimised by healthy living. For example many asian people lack the ability to digest cows milk. Avoiding milk solves the problem.

---Warwick on 10/19/11


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Warwick, I know that eating good food helps some, but it does not help all. The fact is that hardly anything we eat today is even good. Most everything has something or another in it, meats, vegtables, can foods. My sister never smoke, drank, and ran every morning, and ate nutrious foods, yet she still died. No one know what we will come out with, lukemia or just some cancer. Some get tumors, others just fall and die. Nothing is safe, not even our cars or just staying at home. What we can be sure of is that everyone will die, and at the exact time.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/11


Lee, conversely if we choose poor nutrition, lack of exercise and innadequate sleep we can assuredly expect to suffer bad health. This is so no matter what genetic weaknesses or strengths we have.

In reality I find that nutritionists agree quite well. I know of no nutritionist who considers fast food, laden with fat, chemicals, sugar and salt to be a suitable foundation for health.

I also know of none who recomend carbonated canned drinks made of sugar, chemicals, phosphoric acid and caffeine to be beneficial to health.
---Warwick on 10/18/11


Even with good nutrition, proper exercise and sleep there is no guarantee that you will have a healthy physical life. There is the hereditary factor that must be considered.

Col 2:23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
---lee1538 on 10/18/11


Everyone is required to exercise good nutrition. You should know that. Does not matter whether you are saved or unsaved. Our health is the most important thing we possess besides our promise of eternal life. All else pales in comparison.
---Robyn on 10/18/11


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Wivv, I liked your answer with the exception of the last part. You said we can defile what is holy in us. And that is not possible. The Spirit of Christ is in us, and that is what is holy. We cannot defile the Spirit. What is defiled when someone eats a lot of fat things, is the physical body, and the physical body is not holy, in fact it will die because it is sinful. The Spiritual man is not been fed physical food, but spiritual food.
You gave the reason why when you said,
". This doesn't mean a person's life will be any longer, but it probably will improve the quality of life until death."
Eating good only inproves the quality of life, it does not change the time when we will die. That time will come on time.
---Mark_V. on 10/18/11


//If this means we have to spend a little time buying and preparing real food then so be it. laziness is no excuse.

What is real food to one may be considered junk food to others.

There is really no consensus of opinion among nutritionist on this subject.

The Bible, howbeit, is silent on what we as believers may or may not eat.

Romans 14:2 Some people believe that they can eat all kinds of food. Other people with weak faith believe that they can eat only vegetables.

Some religionists will believe that certain foods as listed in Leviticus should not be eaten howbeit, Jesus very plainly taught in Matthew 15 and Mark 7 that foods do not defile us.
---lee1538 on 10/17/11


StrongAxe, the choice to purchase organically grown produce is up to the individual. However that isn't the real point: God has given us many gifts including amazing bodies. As good stewards we should nourish those bodies to keep them healthy. If this means we have to spend a little time buying and preparing real food then so be it. lazyness is no excuse.

I believe the answer is quite clear: healthy lifestyle as good stewards of what God has given us or unhealthy lifestyle. Too easy!
---Warwick on 8/21/11


Warwick:

Good point. It's about stewardship of resources. So, should we buy generic groceries raised with pesticides, or spend twice as much for organics - better for us, but which cost more money (and/or time to earn that money)? Should we eat fast foods (that are less healty), or spend lots of time cooking that could better be spent on other things? These are resource management questions, with no clear-cut black-and-white answers.
---StrongAxe on 8/19/11


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As I have said before I don't believe the question is about what Scripture commands we eat. Rather, I believe, it is more about how we Christians choose to live. Can we as Christians (who should thank God for our wonderful bodies) choose a life-style which will harm this gift? For example should we eat food in excessive quantities or of such poor nutrition, or toxic content,that we harm our bodies? Should we not rather be good stewards of everything He has given us?

Surely we should not ignore any gift He has given us whether it be our bodies, our minds, our environment or those around us.
---Warwick on 8/18/11


The matter of biological nutrition should be COMPLETELY a 'non-issue' regarding Jesus worship.

"Solid food" is food for the SOUL (SPIRITUAL food). There is NO regulation about what Jesus worshipers should ingest for their biological health.

Jesus spoke to THE JEWS about PHYSICAL FOOD, but for the N.T. worshiper, we only should be aware/cautious of offending someone's weaker conscience.

For the JESUS WORSHIPER, the phrase "food and drink" refers to "the bread of life" and the "living water"...

Revelations 7:16
"hunger no more, NEITHER THIRST any more".
---more_excellent_way on 8/17/11


more_excellent_way:

Note that all these references were metaphorical, rather than literal. Paul was a preacher, not a chef.

Adults eat solid food, because they have teeth. Young children drink milk, because they do not yet have teeth with which to chew more solid food. This does not mean adults MUST eat solid food and avoid liquids - it just means they CAN eat solid foods, which children cannot.
---StrongAxe on 8/17/11


Christians should eat "solid food"...

1 Corinthians 3:2

"I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it, and even yet you are not ready".

Hebrews 5:12
"For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need some one to teach you again the first principles of God's word. You need milk, not solid food".

Hebrews 5:14
"But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their faculties trained by practice to distinguish good from evil".

Have a "faith for faith" (Romans 1:17) and no longer a REPENTANCE FOUNDATION (Hebrews 6:1).

All verses are from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 8/17/11


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grashoppers aren' that bad actually, neither flying ants frogs the palmworm, and lizards.
tried all of it, here in afrika then again, in Europe their are other
---andy3996 on 8/17/11


strongax, nah, they sound like their crunchy carcase casings would get stuck in your teeth, and may have a stinging bitter taste to the tongue. If I had to eat a bug, my choice would be tiny thin butterflies that would have to be thoroughly cooked through and then covered completely in marshmellow cream. I know, I know, I'm quite tame when it comes to eating things.
---Eloy on 8/16/11


Andy, when I see a whole pigs head in the grocery store, just looking out at us, with eyes and ears and snout and all, I think to myself: yuck, what kind of person would eat that, and how and where would they start to eat it? would they cook the whole thing whole, and then take their forks and dig in in the head? or the cheek? eeeell, not for me. No way man, I'd rather eat an old cooked sneaker.
---Eloy on 8/16/11


slimy snales, escargots yummy.
steak americain (raw mashed beef) SweeT,
pigtails o my o my, with ofcourse pigfeet, and ears in hutsepot. and gravy
ok belgian ctchen was never invented for sicklars i'll admit
---andy3996 on 8/16/11


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Eloy:

Would you eat locusts and grasshoppers? Because, even though they are disgusting insects, according to Leviticus 11:22, they are explicitly on the list of food that is permissible to eat.
---StrongAxe on 8/16/11


As I see it the question is about good nutrition, not about Biblical dietry laws.

Surely we Christians should live on natural food-that is what God created. Does anyone imagine greasy fat-laden burgers and fizzy drinks full of sugar, phosphoric acid and caffeine are what God would have us consume?

God gave us health food, not disease food.
---Warwick on 8/16/11


Eating correctly and exercise is really one of the basic requirements for a productive Christian life. This doesn't mean a person's life will be any longer, but it probably will improve the quality of life until death. Some Christians use the excuse for being fat on the fact they would rather spend time in spiritual matters, (which is really just an excuse of being fat.)1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (NASB77)
Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are." 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (NASB77)
---wivv on 8/16/11


Some people eat gross and slimy and smelly things, like oysters, and snails, and worms, and such...yucko, no wonder their stomachs growl and churn throughouit the day. I don't care how you cook'em, if it looks and it smells terrible, I ain't eatin' it, even if you paid me a million dollars, I ain't touchin' it with a ten foot pole. If you want to put all manner of discusting creatures in your body, go to it but please don't invite me to join in nor even watch.
---Eloy on 8/16/11


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Francis, Question is of course if the law of Moses is still vallid today, or we live by the new law in the new covenant?
Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.VERSE 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Genesis 9:3-4Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
APPARENTLY God Gave us the regulation of before the Mosaic law, withtwo addings
---andy3996 on 8/16/11


NEW TESTIMENT DIETARY LAWS:
1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

1 Timothy 4:5 For it is SANCTIFIED BY THE WORD OF GOD and prayer.

Now find a list of every creature that is sanctified by the word of God and is good for food
---Francis on 8/15/11


Warwick: you are correct. Not everything that man has created in the way of preparing food is healthy. But I can't imagine that God counts it as sin if a person eats fast food on occasion and in moderation. Gluttony is a sin. But we must remember that we are under grace and these topics are "a shadow of things to come". Thanks for your comment.
---jody on 8/15/11


both my grandparents died in a good old age, one was 86 the other 87, my greatgrandmother died at the age of 96 years, non of them had any dietary laws
---andy3996 on 8/15/11


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There is an old saying which says, "You are what you eat", this is true. Some foods are proven to be better for our bodies than other foods, and also it is proven that good health is better than poor health. So if you feed your body a lot of junk (ie: high calorie, high sodium, high sugar, and low fiber), then your body will feel and look like junk. But if you feed your body a lot of good (ie: low calorie, low sodium, low sugar, and high fiber), then your body will feel and look good.
---Eloy on 8/15/11


Francis God didn't give us dietary laws they were given in the Old Testament to Jews. We are told in the New Testament anything sanctified by the Word of prayer is good to eat.
---Darlene_1 on 8/15/11


Why else would God give us a dietary law?
---Francis on 8/15/11


StrongAxe the question is about good nutrition not exercise isnt' it?

However exercise has value as different versions of Timothy 4:8 say e.g. "For physical training is of some value" NIV. This Scripture means that in comparison to Godliness, exercise is of lesser value, for it is only of earthly good, whereas Godliness is of eternal value.

From my experience those who say we can eat anything we like and avoid exercise do so because they are led by their desires and are lazy.

But none the less the question isn't about physical exercise.
---Warwick on 8/15/11


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In leviticus 11 the most high gives you the dietary law on what you can and can not eat, which starts from verse 5 coney is the horse, hare is the rabbit, swine is pork 8Of their flesh shall ye not eat, 8 and their carcase shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you. your are not even meant to touch and handle pork as it is toxic pigs do not sweat
these are the main meats that you CAN NOT eat which continues with other animals up to verse 47

47To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.
there is no scripture permitting you to eat what you like
---jay on 8/15/11


Jody, when Scripture says all things are clean I find it hard to believe that applies to the stale, preserved, fat loaded chemical rubbish food that abounds in the western world today. I can't imagine any knowledgeable honest person would recommend them as healthy.
---Warwick on 8/14/11


Bible says that "all things are clean" and may be eaten if taken with "thanksgiving". I am pretty sure that we are not really suppose to overeat:). There are warnings regarding gluttony.
---jody on 8/14/11


Warwick:

1 Timothy 4:8
"For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come."
---StrongAxe on 8/14/11


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StrongAxe, "I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made,your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:14.

I believe the question is whether we should be good stewards of what God has given us. Surely after decades of education on nutrition we know what good food is. And knowing that, as good stewards we, without becoming fanatics, would live in a way that protects what God has given us, and shows we are thankful.

---Warwick on 8/14/11


1 Timothy 4:3-5 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods,which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything God created is good,and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,because it is connsecrated by the Word of God and prayer. I think this leaves no doubt we don't have to follow a lot of rules about food like the Old Testament people of God did, That doesn't mean we shouldn't be wise about what we eat and eat that which contributes to good health and not cause obesity. Of course one is to never be a glutton.
---Darlene_1 on 8/14/11


Cluny here in Africa it's the opposite because rich people can afford the junkfood from the west.
---andy3996 on 8/14/11


Warwick:

The alternative of "thou shalt do X" is not "thou shalt not do X". Rather, the alternative of "you are compelled to do X" is "you are not compelled to do X"

So the actual alternative here is "we have the choice whether to use proper nutrition and exercise, without compulsion".

The whole point of Old Testament theology is that God compels us to do this, and to not do that. In contrast, Jesus taught that we do not do things by external compulsion, but rather because the law flows out from us, so we do the right thing because we want to, NOT because we have to.
---StrongAxe on 8/14/11


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"Are we required to exercise good nutrition?" No.
Father gave us principles beneficial to good health. He created the human body, and knows what best for them in terms of nutrition. We would be wise to follow them. However, 'the requirements of the Law' are listed in what we refer to as the "Ten Commandments". What is "required", "you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself" Luk 10:27, He empowers, as we yield our will, to HIs.
---joseph on 8/14/11


Elizabeth, I suppose the alternative is that we destroy our wonderful God-given bodies with unhealthy food, and eating to excess.
---Warwick on 8/14/11


Something i've noticed.

Rich people are never obese, because they are the only ones who can afford to eat properly.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/14/11


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