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Rich People Giving To Poor

Why aren't rich people and people who make a decent salary giving to those who lost their jobs? Why aren't they feeding the hungry children in Africa, Ethopia and here in America?
Why is that left up to organizations and not people being moved by compassion to feed the poor and jobless?

Moderator - They are - it's called taxes. They also give to their local church which should be doing the things you mentioned.

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you are exactly right Moderator! I agree 100% also,maybe rich people,not all but,I have seen working years ago for them...some had it so hard & they still living in the past,others don't feel love for humanity & have forgot God He the maker of both rich & poor.My landlord proud.. always say he never believe in God & he very rich owns hotels even in Cuba. He has no problem kick out moms with babies.I am struggle right now & I keep my faith. God has never let me down & yes, poor we have troubles.God never fails!
---ELENA on 9/4/11

Still, the AV (KJV) mentions church 79 times literally,
ekklesia which is in Greek not exclusively Christian, yet today the word has been christianised.
the closest words in english is assembly, and gathering.
IN the christian sense, an ekklesia (church) is a gathering of two, three or more, who join in Christ's name (matthew 18:16). due to space i canot really dig deep, yet this ideas is the root of CHURCH.
That's why the church canot be manifested in a private room all by your oneness, or as you imply in the heart. . Yet Christ CAN and SHOULD BE MANIFESTED even when youre alone? WHEREVER YOU ARE.
---andy3996 on 8/31/11

Mima, that information is wrong. God dwells in a building if you are in it. For Christ lives in you. And when you enter that building or place, He is present. That does not come from the internet, but from Scripture. Any building or place is only a building empty of Christ if no believers are in it. The Bible speaks of a visible church, where believers should gather, it also give instruction how to run that gathering whether in a house, building, cave, park etc.
---Mark_V. on 8/30/11

Perhaps we should remember,"Today, God does not dwell in a building, He dwells in our hearts. We do not have to meet at a special building or enter a special building to worship God. A church building is not needed for us to meet or worship God, nor is it needed for the center of the life of the church." This from the Internet.
---mima on 8/30/11

Once I saw a man asking people in line, at the Los Angeles airport for money. As they turned him down and he turned away I ran after him and give him some money. The people in line who saw me do this were just astounded. This one simple act had more effect than anything I have ever seen about giving. Why did I give? I remember saying to myself why should I have a pocket full money and this man is asking for a handout?
---mima on 8/30/11

MARK, however the buildings and gatheringplaces are not the true church, (therefore you are right)IT IS UNTHINKABLE that the spiritual christian would be seperated from the "visible church". for how will the unbeliever "see the church when there is no church". this visible church takes many forms in many different places. cathedrals, churchbuildings, temples, more modernly conferencehalls,in hotels and even in houses with no real structure at all, but all these invisible places need the spiritual man to be present, or it would not be a church at all. Peterhead 'scotland has more then 60 churches yet is a village of not even 18.000 inhabitants some have buildings but most just meet around the dinnertable.
---andy3996 on 8/30/11

Andy 2: The only reason I answered was because when people make comments of the visible church, they are including believers with the tares as Steven G, and John do many times. So the genuine Christians take the blow that only goes to those who are tares. The church gets a bad name for those tares. When a priest rape children the world sees genuine Christians doing this, but those who love the Lord with all their hearts will not hurt children that way. When we speak we need to make a distinction. The Elect are not perfect, but they are been sanctified. Where ever we gather it becomes the visible Church and many genuine believers are in the visible Church mixed with the tares.
---Mark_V. on 8/30/11

Andy, I don't understand you. I told you the Christian church you are talking about is the visible church not genuine believers who are the real body of Christ, then you answered with the same thing. What I wanted you to do is distinguish one from the other and you did when you said,
" NEVERTHELESS, gatheringplaces and churchbuildings are NOT the church at all. it is a few brothers and sisters gathering in Christ's name which are."
those who gather in Christ name are not those who are not saved. Those not saved are different then us, so when you say Christian people you cannot count what the lost does, and include the genuine believers with them. In orther words, don't condemn the genuine believers for what the others do.
---Mark_V. on 8/29/11

I thought bad people, Scammers, Liars, has make many people to stop giving out there money. Because there are many people who lied to be poor so as to collect money. And i also thought people who need money should not ask for money but good job.
---Morrison on 8/29/11

Donna5535, a certain man saw Mary pouring oil and washing the feet of Christ, making similar comment and Christ said "For ye have the poor always with you, but me ye have not always." Matthew 26:11.

As a Christian, helping his neighbor/enemy is a given. What is not a given is when it precedes his purpose in being a Christian. And that is to witness and testify the Gospel for the remission of sins to the utter ends of the earth as instructed by the Lord.

You sound more like an activist than a Christian. There are organisations that does this for a living, guess what, the poor still exist. Have you given everything that you own to this cause before you subject others to?
---christan on 8/28/11

book of revelation (letters to the seven churches) we can see that Christ called the true church to come back, (they've lost their first love, they've permitted false prophets to prosper etcetera.)

first love is TRUTH (not poverty)...NOTHING to do with false prophets prospering - it is speaking of those who ONCE had Gods Truth then leaving going back to traditions of men

not sure how anyone could mix an individuals wealth as one who works hard and is rewarded for their efforts BLESSED by GOD with wealth and compare this to false ministers who preach LIES "in another christ" 2Corin 4:11

a countries poverty is direct result of GOD YET many will prosper without GOD
---Rhonda on 8/27/11

Andy, I want to thank you for your answer. I do disagree with you. You are talking about the visible church
INDEED I AM as when talking about man we talk about the visible body, but just as with man (for indeed the body we see, yet its not man itself) so is the spiritual church present within the physical. NEVERTHELESS, gatheringplaces and churchbuildings are NOT the church at all. it is a few brothers and sisters gathering in Christ's name which are.
Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

---andy3996 on 8/26/11

Andy, I want to thank you for your answer. I do disagree with you. You are talking about the visible church, the place where believers should gather. I'm talking about the Spiritual Church, the body of Christ. The Seven Churches talked about in Revelation are places of gathering. The places that held His name. Most of the churches had abandoned Christ. The Church at Eph. most were not saved, but individuals, genuine believers, are those mentioned in (v.7) those that overcome. The same at Smyrna. (v. 2:11) those who overcome, individual believers shall not be hurt by the second death. And the same is said of the other Churches.
Individual believers overcome because Jesus Christ sustains them, ( 1 Cor. 1:7-9).
---Mark_V. on 8/25/11

YES I AM, thank God these are the same who, when pointed out their deviation do a realitycheck and return towards the strait and narrow. there is only one church, but as it is written in the book of revelation (letters to the seven churches) we can see that Christ called the true church to come back, (they've lost their first love, they've permitted false prophets to prosper etcetera.)
all that the true church needs is a warning, and since it is true they easely return to the voice of their master (my sheep know my voice)
YET the true church is planted in the gates of hell,(this world) and therefore is in constant danger of invasion,(by this world) Thank God Christ said that we will not be overcome
---andy3996 on 8/24/11

Andy, I don't know what you mean when you say that the Church has walked out of their responsibilities. Who is this church you are talking about? Not true believers I hope. Genuine believers are the same everywhere around the world, if they are truly saved. They are indwelled by the Holy Spirit and have a love for Christ. You cannot be talking about them are you?
---Mark_V. on 8/23/11

Andy, you are correct that people in America enslave themselves to their own materialistic ways that they cannot afford. This is the source of all financial problems in U.S. families. They are not being enslaved by anyone but themselves through their own choices, so it's not the same as it is in other countries where people are actually oppressed. However, There are some like me that buy things as they can afford them, not with loans. This is true freedom. The Bible even warns against borrowing money saying "Be not one of those who give pledges, who put up security for debts. For if you lack the means to pay, your very bed will be taken from under you." Prov 22:26-27.
---Jed on 8/22/11

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MARKV that's interesting as an idea, but then again should be treated very carefully, the other day i read the declaration of independance, and what stroke me was the enormous sense of reponsability we have. i believe that "the founding fathers" would be very upset with the way everything goes on in the US, i believe also that much goes wrong in the US not because GOD allowed it, but because HIS agent on this world is doing nothing but compromising. THE CHURCH has walked away from its sresponsibility and therefore the father doesn' intervene in the world again. but wherever true believers rise up, there we see that truly freedom comes.
---andy3996 on 8/22/11

andy, you are looking at this from the physical view. Capitalism, Communism, dictorship, whatever you want to call it, it is the sin of man. Happens everywhere. Call it what it is. Sin. Stop blaming anyone but blame sin. Until God does away with sin, it will continue. It looks as though the devil is in control, and everything is going to hell in a basket, yet God is the Ultimate Ruler on the Throne who is in control of everything. Nothing happens without Him allowing it or permitting it. "He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35).
---Mark_V. on 8/22/11

MarkV in reading my post i realised that i wrote it in an abusive mode.
isn't your "way of life" also a dictator? should have been better phrased,
i should have saidsomething like: however, isn't your "way of life" also working like a dictator?
AND who advances money for all this? banks.yet who needs to pay back? the "slaves of capitalism" not realising that the system has enslaved them. i should have added: now in paying of their debts for years nobody has true freedom again.
THIS WAY would have expressed my ideas better.
Thanks for pointing out my offensive tone, and My apologies JED. (sometimes juggling words due to limits makes us to refrase and loose our meaning)
---andy3996 on 8/21/11

andy, you got the message Jed gave wrong. He was saying most of what you are saying. Poverty here is different then in other countries where people are starving and only want to survive that one day as The Seg mentioned. Here there is a lot of help. In many other countries there is none. When big supplies of goods go to the poor people sometimes in Africa, the corrupt people take it. Most of the stuff never gets to the poor. Corruption runs wild, because of sin. We give money to countries that hate us, and I'm sure the money does not go to the poor. Sort of like the money we gave to the banks where they don't have to justify where the money would go, and of course it went to their pockets. The Sag's people gave themselves millions as bonus's.
---Mark_V. on 8/20/11

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Jed, isn't your "way of life" also a dictator?
a car by 16, new dresses every 3 months, iphone, and a "hobby", expensive college for all, a marriage that cost's fortunes, a house within the first ten years of marriage, a dog you cannot eat, a car for every wife (that's why polygamy isnt popular, too expensive) a babysitter so one can go out asiff he's not married. who pays for all this? banks. who needs to pay back the "slaves of capitalism". not that i'm against these things but admitted that amercians are the RICH poor, and they donnot even know they live on a bubble, by the way "society" obliges them.
---andy3996 on 8/20/11


Yes, your tax dollars went to the poor IE welfare, food stamps, unemployment benefits, etc, etc.

Of course your tax dollars DIDN'T go to oil companies. The oil companies paid taxes. You may wish they pay even more taxes, but oil companies are not a tax except industry.
---Moderator on 8/19/11

Andy, I was mostly referring to people in America, where we are free. I'm sure it would be most impossible to make it in other countries where people are oppressed by tyrants and terrorists. That is why it is so important for governements like ours to do their part to bring freedom and democracy around the world instead of trying to get along with terrorist and dictators. But taking money from rich people will never solve the problem. Because the problem is not a money problem, it's an opportunity and a mentality problem. No matter how much money we give to these poor people, it will quickly be spent with no progress, because, as you said, they have a survival mentality, because they have been oppressed for so long.
---Jed on 8/19/11

NurseRoberts, I'm not even going to try to answer your question. You have no idea what you are talking about.
---Jed on 8/19/11

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I am truly amazed at some of the things I have read here!
The bible says having eyes, they see not.
There is a difference between blind and ignorance.
But, to be blind and ignorant.
Mind you, there are people who will not even drink water today.
Let alone eat!
Ask them about tomorrow. See if they care about tomorrow.
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Are you guys for real?
God help us.

Thank God for what you have.
There but for the grace of God go I!
---TheSeg on 8/19/11

JED, Andy, you are amazingly naive if you really think that most people have no hand in creating their own current situation.
I challenge you to come and prech this kinda gospel in Africa bro.
here most poor stay poor because they want to keep honnest. robbers and thieves advance, bussinesmen go gungry.
---andy3996 on 8/19/11

Most families that are considered inpoverished today own two cars, live in air conditioned homes, own largescreen televisions with at least two video games systems, and eat several times more food than recommended nutrional guidlines. ---Jed on 8/18/11

And where are you getting this information? Come on Jed, back up your statements with facts, or are you just parroting your tea party buddies?
---NurseRobert on 8/19/11

Jed, you make some great points with your answers. I also agree with much of what you said. You forgot to mention just about everyone also has a cell phone. Even kids. And most have internet on them. I pods, so they can listen to music all day long. Even children in Kindergarden carry cell phones. And many of them get preschool free. While others pay. Our slum people are in heaven compared to many in Africa and many latin countries. Those people are very poor. They just want to survive. Need water and food.
---Mark_V. on 8/19/11

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Andy, you are amazingly naive if you really think that most people have no hand in creating their own current situation. There is not a single person alive that has not encountered adversities and obstacles. Successful people have made a choice to persevere in spite of those "outside circumstances". The fact is some of the most successful businessmen have major dissabilities but still make a choice to work. Tell me one "outside circumstance" that would prevent someone from being successful and I'll show you a job for them, with the exception of total pralysis.
---Jed on 8/18/11

Andy, You don't actually have to be poor these days to fall within the government "poverty" levels. Most families that are considered inpoverished today own two cars, live in air conditioned homes, own largescreen televisions with at least two video games systems, and eat several times more food than recommended nutrional guidlines. Heck, by govt standards I'm considered impoverished and I have never expected to receive a dime that I didn't work for just because there are other's out there that have more than I do. People CAN do something about their situation but they have discovered it's easier to be on welfare than to work at a job you don't like. McDonalds is always hiring.
---Jed on 8/18/11

Jed, welcome to the twentyfirst century (in case you haven't noticed) to be poor today is more dependant upon exterior effects then not willing to work. I ADMIT that an important minority is poor "by choise", but most are only victims who need help. you would be amazed how many pastors are living under the poverty-bar, bad choise? probably it is, they shose to serve a people that doesn' care about God.
---andy3996 on 8/18/11

Is everyone unaware that more tax money goes to welfare programs than any other government program? And that only 50% of Americans actually pay any income taxes? Guess who that 50% is, sure isn't the poor. So yes, the wealthy are paying more than their fair share to the poor. And have you ever stopped to think why people are poor? Could it be because they have made poor choices in life or because they don't work? The Bible is clear on work ethic stating "if a man does not work he ought not to eat." So the idea of taking money from peole that have worked for it and giving to those who have not didn't come from the Bible. It's from those who refuse to take responsibility for their actions that have lead to where they are in life.
---Jed on 8/17/11

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NOW can anyone tell me how much taxes are for the poor.
as example Belgium "worldwide development aid in 2001 was 0.46% so every 1 million in taxes brought relieve to the poor with 46,000 euro. how's the US doing? that time the
---andy3996 on 8/17/11

Moderator, I pay $18,000 a year in taxes (that includes Federal, State of PA, Social Sec. Medicare and a local tax). NONE of that goes to feeding the hungry and the poor.


This is how all entitlement programs are funded, so yes some of your tax money is going to feed the hungry.

---paul on 8/16/11

Donna it was A STORY I HEARD from another minister, but still thanks, and God Bless you never give up in your support for the needy, as i always say, one can be as much in need, there's always someone who's more in need. but when you give (ron Kenoly's song) give to the lord, and this kind of givers are really needed.
---andy3996 on 8/16/11

Moderator, I pay $18,000 a year in taxes (that includes Federal, State of PA, Social Sec. Medicare and a local tax). NONE of that goes to feeding the hungry and the poor.

My federal tax dollars goes to Oil companies, Farmers, paying Congress, etc., and my PA state taxes goes to paving roads that really don't need to be paved and to the PA Turnpike revamp project.

NONE of my tax dollars goes to the poor, so I send money from my NET income, not from my GROSS income.

andy, I'm sorry that happened to you, I give with no strings and I don't claim it on my income tax return.
---Donna5535 on 8/16/11

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Still in the US there's the "taxdeduction paradise" Big Criminals have been given tons of drugmoney to whitewash their money,(or so i'm told) others give away durng the year as to have something to deduct.A STORY I HEARD from another minister: once i was pressenting my mission in a church, and after the service a rich person came to me and said, i would like to write a cheque, please give me refference and a receipt for taxes, when i pointed out that we are not "a taxdeductable registered ministry" she closed her chequebook and walked away. IS THIS the kind of gifts we need?
---andy3996 on 8/16/11

Donna, lots of rich people are giving away their money. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet (The Two richest men in the world)are giving away nearly All of their momney. Leaving little of it to their kids.

The USA has spent Countless Trillions to eradicate poverty but as the Lord said...
"There will always be the poor".

Also do not judge a Rich man for not giving away money. The HS could have told him not to.
---John on 8/15/11


This is an interesting and perplexing question.

Though their are some great resources available their is defiantly more that can be done.

I think for the most part people see the need and feel a urgency to get involved.

Generally speaking the need to most people is so overwhelming that they do nothing for fear that what little bit they could do would result in little accomplishment.

So they do nothing and the problem continues to grow.

Or else they do the least they can to get by.

If we could ALL contribute a little the accomplishment would be great.

Let me encourage all to find a way to chip away at this societal situation and easy the pain of someone today.

---paul on 8/15/11

Greed, ignorance and diffusion of responsibility. Actually, taxes are used to put $'s in the pockets of the elite and rarely make it to the people in need.
---jody on 8/15/11

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i think we have a mediator, Jesus Christ. a mediator between the world and God the father. a mediator between giving and getting...
for example, if a rich thinks that he gives to a poor, he will take the poor as a slave. if a poor think he gets from the rich, he will "eat" the idol and this is not good to the life. only when we honestly think we give to and get from God......
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---dsda on 8/15/11

Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Strange, how we see all things.
Moreover, say all but these are his.
---TheSeg on 8/15/11

Moderator can you tell me how much percent of the taxes go to the poor? Donna, it is true, as a missionary i have hard time finding fundses for projects and helpcampaigns. usually even i feel halfway embarrased to see that 99% of al the help comes from peopl who have needs themself.i guess this moderator above is a rich guy himself.
---andy3996 on 8/15/11

Moderator, I'm in complete agreement with you again. Donna, what makes you feel like the rich or others more fortunate are not giving or helping the ones in need? Your question sounds as though you're not aware of any help going on. It's on the news, pulpits of churches, you here of people being helped everywhere. At least I've heard about it.
---Reba on 8/15/11

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