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Presidents Talk About Faith

Should presidents or presidential candidates talk about their religion, faith or are they just buying votes?

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 ---mike on 8/15/11
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paul

actions speaks louder than words or professing faith.

anybody can talk about god or what he stands for but in the end when he convert that faith into action it DOES speak volumes.
and you did not answer me about how nebuchenezzar told his people to bow down the image or ELSE...
---mike on 8/20/11


Mike, everyone is a sinner. All presidents are sinners. No one is perfect but Christ. When we vote we vote by our conscience. What we want. We have no clue what God wants. We look at the facts before us and vote. Many are already bias and don't look at the facts. God cares about our conscience for we are going to be judge by our choices. Satan might be pulling the strings to get one he likes, but the ultimate decision is God's. Satan cannot defeat God. Satan is in control of the world by permission because the world is in sin. God could do away with sin in a second, but doesn't. He will do away with sin, when He is good and ready. Until that day comes, we are responsible how we vote. Your reason might be different then mine.
---Mark_V. on 8/20/11


Mike

I know all about self projection and analytical ambiguity.

This changes nothing about knowing what a leaders faith is.

Of course this will be embellished and falsified to a degree, but even at that I want to have some idea of what my leaders stand for.

That why God warns to know those among you and be aware of what is going on.

If you would rather be in the dark that is fine, but not me.

And you do realize that Bush and the Congress had the same data don't you.

I'm no huge Bush fan, but read the commissions report.

Paul
---paul on 8/19/11


paul

anybody can talk about their faith, but look at their actions after they get elected.
one good ex. is bush. he talked about this faith but ENRON happened - greed love of money
what about accepting responsibility for actions & decisions - iraq happened then he blamed intelligence.
---mike on 8/19/11


paul

by the way, if a president starts talking about his faith & then tells the world to accept the mark of the beast would you do it? and if you don't you will be 'inquisitioned'

that's described in daniel. nebuchenezzar told the people to bow down before the statue & if you don't you will thrown into the fire.
---mike on 8/19/11




\\Pr 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Paul
---paul on 8/18/11\\

Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
---Cluny on 8/19/11


paul:

And just how do you define "wicked"?

George W. Bush pursued his ruinous foreign policy because he believed he was directed to do so by God - that is, he was taking on himself the mantle of prophet, an office for which he was NOT chosen. We saw how God treated Saul when HE did the same thing...
---StrongAxe on 8/19/11


\\Pr 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Paul
---paul on 8/18/11\\

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is NOT in us. 1 John.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/11


. However, the American people elect someone for the office of president. If that person then attempts to use that office to also exercise the office of Paster or Prophet or something similar, he is exceeding his authority, as the voters never elected him to those positions.
---StrongAxe on 8/17/11


Pr 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Paul
---paul on 8/18/11


Cinton was an adulterer who left a surplus in the treasury.

Bush fils ran on his faith, got us involved in two wars, and ran up the national debt.

Which was was a more effective president?

(BTW, I didn't vote for either.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/18/11




Mike: It certainly helps in determining the character & mindset of presidential candidates when they talk about religion & faith. Sure, a candidates ultimate goal is to buy our confidence & get our votes that'll hopefully elect them to office.
---Leon on 8/18/11


All political candidates have to pander to the lowest common denominator, because they will say whatever is necessary to get enough votes to get into office.

andy, you're right. Political figures should be judged in the context of their own times, not ours. The same applies to literature, such as calling HUCKLEBERRY FINN "racist".

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/11


Both James and Charles (however it should be put in the context of their own time and age, with the added limitations of their understanding) where zealous to liberate the people from yokes of oppression,Queen Victoria (again we need to understand this in it's context) was the first to have a policy against slavery. (Even the "pagan Constantine" was a man that brought freedom to Christians. today people are so much busy judging they no longer accept the truth.
---andy3996 on 8/17/11


paul:

You said: I'll take a Pastor and Chief over a Pandering sneak any day.

It's true that a panderer and/or a sneak is not a good candidate for office. However, the American people elect someone for the office of president. If that person then attempts to use that office to also exercise the office of Paster or Prophet or something similar, he is exceeding his authority, as the voters never elected him to those positions.

Just look at what happened to King Saul when he attempted to exercise the office of priest in offering a sacrifice for his armies before battle - because Samuel was late (1 Samuel 13:8-14).
---StrongAxe on 8/17/11


\\NOTE also that greatest developments Democratisations and liberations in europe always fell toghether xith a believeing believer on the throne.\\

That is debatable.

James I ( of the KJV) and his son Charles I were great believers in the Bible--and also in the divine right of kings.

And Christ's Kingdom is NEVER described as a democracy.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/16/11


\\Ans I'll take a Pastor and Chief over a Pandering sneak any day.\\

Pandering to the evangelical vote is still pandering.

\\Cluny, do you believe Obama is what this country needs?\\

Nope. I never said that, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/16/11


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A gun can be used for what is good. Religion can be used for what is good. But oppression includes how people will make all people to be the same, and they make merely general statements about people, and one-size-fits-all laws, instead of personally getting to know each one.

So . . . I would not make some generalized judging thing about what "all" presidents should do. A wrong president doesn't even belong there. God cares about what is personally good for a president, not only about how the public wants to use him . . . or her (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 8/16/11


AMERICA, believe me You don't want an unbeliever as President.
they are only great in oppression and lies.
NOTE also that greatest developments Democratisations and liberations in europe always fell toghether xith a believeing believer on the throne.
COINCIDENCE????
---andy3996 on 8/16/11


"I can get the White House just on the Evangelical vote."
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/15/11

Seem he was accurate in that assumption, their are quit a few of us out there.

Ans I'll take a Pastor and Chief over a Pandering sneak any day.

Cluny, do you believe Obama is what this country needs?

Paul
---paul on 8/15/11


Unfortunately, it seems to be just buying votes.

Bush fils cynically manipulated the faith of conservative Christians to get into office. He actually said, "I can get the White House just on the Evangelical vote."

But as I said elsewhere, people forget we are voting for a commander in chief, not a pastor in chief, layman in chief, or (as Bush fils though of himself) prophet in chief.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/15/11


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We need to know where our leaders stand on faith issues.

I have alot of respect for someone who lays it all on the line to announce their faith, that person has enough integrity to be forthcoming.

Paul
---paul on 8/15/11


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