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Tax Cuts Create Jobs

GOP calls tax cuts for the rich 'JOB creators' but where are the jobs? Why does the middle class have to sacrifice for the rich?

Moderator - The middle class pay a very small portion of their income to taxes in relationship to the rich. The poor pay next to nothing. It's the rich that are paying most of the taxes and creating the jobs. Yes, of course the private sector can create jobs better than the government unless you believe that communism.

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NurseRobert, I agree, this country needs to get back to God and to godly Christian values. In my lifetime I have seen a prosperous Christian nation turn their back upon Christ and therefore have steadily lost their good reputation and blessings from the Lord, and have replaced them with dead idols, immorality, lying and cheating and stealing, and increased violence and disease. How foolish for a country to think they can censor Christ the Salvation, whom is the only Way and Truth and Life, out of their land and think they will be blessed and prosper. Wrong, all whom reject Christ are rejected by Christ the Almighty and their land will become utterly condemned and a byword for their foolishness.
---Eloy on 9/27/11


Moderator: 'It's already around 60% of our income, whereas Buffet pays around 17% according to him.'

You are giving misleading data, I'm afraid. Buffet also pays 60% of his DECLARED TAXABLE INCOME. It's just that most rich/wealthy people don't list all their income as taxable. If all people with that wealth paid 60% of their real income, the deficit would be manageable

DON'T give misleading data
---Marc on 9/27/11


If you split hairs over "Rich" ($1M+) and "Wealthy ($10M+), then change "tax the rich" to "tax the wealthy"? Does that make you happier?
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interesting how many are clueless as to what is considered wealth and how the tax code works

there are many WEALTHY people who live financially free - own their homes and cars (no mortgage no loans) no credit card debt because they were prudent in MANAGING their money - the kicker many of these folks make less than 75K a year and the wife is a stay at home mom

WEALTH comes in many forms when you want the government to feed you diaper you and burp you than go live in a communist state
---Rhonda on 9/28/11


what is wrong with people being rich? nothing. I have relatives who think I am rich and believe me I have nothing. Its just they have a lot less than me. I have friends who are wealthy and they worked hard for every cent. I am happy for them.
---shira4368 on 9/27/11


It does make a difference StrongAxe because the rich pay the biggest share of taxes already and supply the jobs. Tax them more and jobs will disappear. How much more taxes should the rich pay? It's already around 60% of our income, whereas Buffet pays around 17% according to him. However, Buffet is wealthy not rich.
---Moderator on 9/27/11




Moderator:

If you split hairs over "Rich" ($1M+) and "Wealthy ($10M+), then change "tax the rich" to "tax the wealthy"? Does that make you happier?

Also, investment income (typically taken advantage of only by those who have excess income that isn't immediately spent on food, rent, etc.) is taxed at a lower rate - which favors the rich and the wealthy.

Also, years ago I found a way to distinguish "coveting" from mere "wanting". If you want something BECAUSE somebody else has it (like a fancy car), that is coveting. If you want something regardless of whether somebody else has it or not (like food), that is not. Note the commandment forbids the first but not the second.
---StrongAxe on 9/27/11


Nurse, thanks for the second email. You state that someone that makes a $1,000,000 per year gets $500,000 of deducts.

Obviously you don't understand the tax code because you can't take $500,000 of deductions on $1,000,000 outside of some extremely rare exception.

Nurse, please just trust God to provide more money if that is what you truly desire in life. It's not necessary to take from others and unbiblical to covet. Otherwise, the closest model to what you desire is communism.
---Moderator on 9/27/11


Nurse Roberts, Jacob, no the top 20% of wage earners do not make 80% or 85% of America's income. Jacob, they are not taxed at the same percentage as the poor. In fact, the middle and upper class pay anywhere between 20% to 35% income taxes, while, as I already pointed out, the bottom 51% of wage earners pay no income tax at all. NurseRoberts, what taxes are the poor paying that the rich aren't?
---Jed on 9/27/11


StrongAxe you mentioned 1,470 households - IE you point out the rare exception not the norm. Millions of poor households pay ZERO federal taxes not just 1,470.

The "Wealthy" do have some loopholes available, however the "Rich" have little. The rich pay a hefty tax bill. However, how many "Wealthy" people do you know (Wealthy is $10 million or more in disposable income).

Tax the rich too much and the unemployment lines will just grow longer. It a basic economic fact.
---Moderator on 9/27/11


Nurse you sent me a private email stating that I don't pay taxes on loopholes that I am using to avoid paying taxes. Again, I am VERY insulted with the comments. Can you please tell me which loopholes that I am using to avoid paying taxes?

Please STOP making stuff up and accusing people of avoiding to pay their taxes just because you want some of their money. Trust God, work harder, and smarter if you need more money. It's unbiblical to envy and covet what other people have.
---Moderator on 9/27/11




Jed: 'While the top 20% of wage earners pay over 80% of all taxes collected.'

Could you tell me, do the top 20% of the wage earners MAKE 80% of the American income? I think they actually do. If they do, it means they just pay THE SAME rate as the rest of Americans

So that can be considered fair, can't it?
---Jacob on 9/27/11


Moderator, it is a fact that the world is governed by the rich for the rich, it can be that you as a "nouveau-rich" aren't aware of this, but trust me, la Noblesse n'a pas encore saiser. (noblety has not ended yet) don't take offence on someone seeing the truth. i myself ghot offended by people saying this, but then a rich man said the same, he said 'don't worry your not rich enough to enjoy... do i agree with nurserobert? in a way, do i agree with you not quite. of course why should you feel attacked it's the governments tyhat favour the rich (all governments) because only the rich govern. I myself would also enjoy the advantages without regret if i had the money... i see no problem in this
---andy3996 on 9/27/11


Moderator:

While the rich are in a higher tax bracket, they also have access to tax shelters not available to others. Also, they invest a lot, and investments are taxed much lower than wages.

Many of the richest people pay little or no tax as a result, often less than average person in the middle class. In 2009, 1,470 households with incomes above $1 million paid no federal income tax. (For example, Warren Buffett wrote that the tax rate he paid last year was lower than that paid by any of the other 20 people in his office.)

Reagan popularized "trickle-down economics" where money was theoretically supposed to be poured into the rich, and flow down to the poor. But in reality, it ended up lining rich pockets.
---StrongAxe on 9/27/11


Tax cuts do create jobs. When the government awards businesses certain tax breaks and incentives for hiring people, then the businesses will hire people. Otherwise they won't, because they cannot afford to pay for new hirees.
---Eloy on 9/27/11

Except for one thing, Eloy, its NOT happening. Where I live, we have whats called Empire Zones. Specific tax credits for specific companies to give them incentives to hire more people. It doesn'
t happen. the companies are not hiring as they promised they would.

Companies have had tax breaks for years.. Where are the jobs? Moved overseas, at the expense of the American people.
---NurseRobert on 9/27/11


Nurse you stated that the rich don't pay their taxes due to loopholes. Therefore, since I am rich that would imply that I don't pay my taxes. Yes, I find that EXTREMELY insulting.

You seem to have a beef with rich people and envy their hard working? Why? If you want more money, then work harder and smarter yourself. If you want money that you didn't earn, then consider a communist country that holds to your values.
---Moderator on 9/27/11


Moderator, I NEVER said you dont pay your taxes. Please go back and read what I wrote and don't put words in my mouth. As far as you being rich.. good for you. Does that make you better than anyone else?

Are you saying you don't use loopholes in the tax code to get around paying more taxes? Im not saying it's wrong to use them, Im saying its time to close them.

Furthermore, YOU are not understanding what I am saying. You continue to say the poor don't pay taxes. I'm saying that yes they are. The rightwing has focused on income tax only and that is NOT the only tax that people pay - taxes that come out of their paycheck.
---NurseRobert on 9/27/11


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Tax cuts do create jobs. When the government awards businesses certain tax breaks and incentives for hiring people, then the businesses will hire people. Otherwise they won't, because they cannot afford to pay for new hirees.
---Eloy on 9/27/11


Nurse, I am insulted that you say I don't pay my taxes and that I have loopholes for avoiding my taxes since I am rich.

The only people that have "some" opportunity to reduce their tax bills isn't the rich, but the wealthy.

You truly don't understand the tax code or you wouldn't continue to ignore the government published facts of whom pays the taxes. However, you are entitled to your thoughts regardless if they ignore the published facts.
---Moderator on 9/27/11


Jed, say it as many times as you want, its not true.

While they may not pay income taxes, they are NOT getting back what they are paying in other taxes. The "top 20" pay more taxes because they have 85% of the wealth, so why shouldn't they?

Mod, you manipulate numbers to prove a point and fall short. The rich have more tax deductions and loopholes than the poor and are NOT paying taxes on all of their income. Again, yes, they pay a $$ amount larger than the poor, but they also have most of the wealth.

As far as jobs, the rich have had tax breaks for 10 years, WHERE ARE THE JOBS?
---NurseRobert on 9/27/11


Jacob //the proportion of the income that is declared as 'income' is so small that it's not important...... If the rich had to declare all the money that came in as income, they surely would pay a lot//
are you saying the rich steal from their government, because they couldn' stay rich?
that's whart this blog is saying all along. The "free US" seems to have laws that discourage richness, whilst the "socialist Europe" has laws that promote the rich.
---andy3996 on 9/27/11


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The thing is, it's broke, the tax system, the greed and unnecessary high costs in America which hurts the poor is a crime and millions are suffering and many are dying because of it. We really need the government's intervention and regulation to stop all medical services, food/utilities/and merchant services, and educational services from criminally gouging the people. As a people, we need to all practice the golden rule, "Do and say to others exactly that what we want others to do and say to us." Do we really wnat to pay 3 times more than what we are actually getting in the way of the services mentioned above? I think not, so stop it! and pay the people back all that what was unjustly billed and taken.
---Eloy on 9/27/11


If other taxes equal 20%, then 40% + 20% = 60% taxes for the rich. 20% other for the poor, therefore 60% > 20%. Again, I have been poor and I have been rich. When I was poor I paid almost no taxes, yet when I was rich huge taxes.

When I was poor, I didn't create any jobs, yet when rich I kept many people employed. Tax me more and people go to the unemployment line. It's a very simple concept.

Surely you are not promoting communism here?
---Moderator on 9/27/11


Peter, there is help for the poor, it's called medicaid, although it is overly used and abused already.

NurseRoberts, You are correct, the poor do not pay next to nothing, they actually pay NOTHING. In fact, the lower 51% of wage earners pay no taxes at all, it may come out of paycheck, but they get it all back, if not more, at the end of the year due to earned income credits for having kids and being poor. While the top 20% of wage earners pay over 80% of all taxes collected. It's funny when Obama says he wants the billionaires to pay the same as the poor, because that would actually mean lowering the taxes on the billionaire and raising the taxes on the poor.
---Jed on 9/26/11


Mod, thats always been the entier problem with this discussion. This cannot be just a "about Federal taxes not the other taxes." (and by that I assume you are taking income taxes)

You cannot claim that the poor don't pay taxes when in fact they do. The right wing has tried to claim the moral high ground by using a false premise.

And the payroll taxes (medicare/social security), as well as certain excise taxes ARE federal taxes.
---NurseRobert on 9/26/11


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Nurse, this discussion is about Federal taxes not the other taxes. The other taxes are based upon various other factors. I have been poor and I have been rich. When I was poor, I paid 0% federal taxes and when rich 40% federal taxes. 40% > 0%. Simple math. No math degree or debate required.
---Moderator on 9/26/11


MOD, the information on taxes you provided is only partially true.

The "poor" pay federal excise taxes, social security taxes, medicare taxes (payroll taxes) as well as state and local taxes, sales taxes, property taxes. In fact, the "poor" pay about 20% of their wages in taxes. They don't pay income taxes because of our progressive tax rates. When you look at "statistics" the poor pay a higher percentage of their wages in taxes than the rich.

To say the "The poor pay next to nothing" is a falsehood.
---NurseRobert on 9/26/11


Jacob, please go to the federal government data files yourself since you don't believe the reported facts.
---Moderator on 9/26/11


Jed: Of course you have a point, that with the cost of the health care if it's going to be free, it must be bad. I agree

But the question is, can the poor not have some help? I know it seems too hard to do, but we should also work to see what can be done.

Maybe nothing CAN be done. I cannot say......
---Peter on 9/26/11


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Moderator: I challenge you to provide some PROOF of that (tax rates).

The 'declared income' sure, we know. But the proportion of the income that is declared as 'income' is so small that it's not important...... If the rich had to declare all the money that came in as income, they surely would pay a lot - but they don't
---Jacob on 9/26/11


NurseRobert, A-men. Would to God that every person whom needs medical help could get it. I am all for government regulation on regualtion healthcare costs and also energy/utility costs and gasoline costs, which are unjustly 3 times higher than what it should be, and the people are suffering because of this American sin called greed. If I ever get to be in charge, I would reinstate the cap on the utilities, regulate the medical costs, educations costs, and execute the laws that all recorded unequitable overage charges taken for the last 20 years be paid back to the citizens within a certain amount of time or they lose their license and be imprisoned.
---Eloy on 9/26/11


As NurseRoberts has said, there are people suffering and dying in America because they cannot afford the necessary medical care. Also, there are people that have actually died because utility companies have turned off their utilities because the person could not afford to pay the high cost. The people suffer and die, but the people responsible are not held held accountable for their murders. If I ever got to be in charge, this would change.
---Eloy on 9/26/11


No, Eloy, the stats arent there.

The percentage of Canadians who'd consider giving up their system is consistently in the single digits. As far as not "allowed" to pay of other people cant?? When did you make that up?

In the US, the cost of per person health care is double than in Canada and most european countries. (and BTW, health care in Canada is NOT socialized medicine - defined as docs working for the state).

20% of Americans cannot afford insurance OR healthcare, so they do without. I guess thier health care really stinks..

Jed, you really need to do some research on other health care systems before you put your other foot in your mouth.
---NurseRobert on 9/26/11


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jed, resorting to unrighteous dissing, how little. Frankly, I already am thinking about leaving this country, for when the people are too obstinate to change, then the gospel with God's blessings is taken and given to others whom will accept it and benefit thereby.
---Eloy on 9/26/11


Eloy, I'm shocked you have not heard the statistics or testimonies of people from countries claiming how bad the healthcare is compared to American healthcare. I have heard many friends from Europe saying how they cannot receive serious, intestive treatment, simply because no country could afford to provide that for everyone who needs intensive treatment. But here's an idea for you, as you suggested to me on another thread, why don't you get out of our country and go to Canada if you think they are so much better than America instead of trying to make us become like them. Then you will see for yourself things might not be as peachy there as you assume.
---Jed on 9/26/11


Jed, Are there stats as to the number of people whose healthcare "stinks", as you say. I have not heard of any Canadians complaining, and every single citizen receives healthcare, even the poor can receive a heart transplant. And for medical research, I believe Canada still performs research for new treatments, for why wouldn't they? As far as I know, their government is not poor, their people have employment and they still make money to buy things.
---Eloy on 9/26/11


Eloy, in countries that have socialized healthcare, the healthcare stinks. Yes, it may be free, but if you develope a serious illness, you just have to die because the government cannot pay for everyone to have open heart surgery or years of life saving treatment. Basically, the extent of their medical treatment is what you would get in an emergency room. In America, if your family member gets cancer, you can sell everything you have and spend every dime you have to pursue treatment and possibly save them. With socialized healthcare, you do not have that option because you are not allowed to pay if other people can't. As you can imagine, developmental research would cease altogether because noone could pursue that level of treatment.
---Jed on 9/24/11


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Honestly, some other countries are doing much better with their economy then America currently is. I think we would do well to look at how they run things and copy some of their policies. Like I heard that medical care and college education are free in Canada, that the government merely takes a annual tax out for these so that every person can have medical care and college educatoion, every person. Imagaine that! And the people then have more respect for their government.
---Eloy on 9/24/11


GOP john fleming complains about his $600,000 / year salary. by the time he 'feeds his family' he is left with $400,000 / year salary.
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one mans salary irrelevant to tax cuts for job creation ...seems like your swept away with do less get paid more hand-out mentality

poor and middle class combined are far less than rich tax payments

poor and middle class buy their own lies - don't learn (often flat out refuse) how to manage their money ...spend more than earnings & heavily in debt because their WANTS exceed their income and needs ...they LEARN how to give into wants blaming government for their lack of restraint and responsibility and not providing themselves with financial cushion for economic woes
---Rhonda on 9/24/11


"A lot of people (especially on this site) seem to think that Americans only think like the right wingers."
---NurseRobert on 8/25/11

That's because this is a Christian Blog site and "right wingers" generally adhere to biblical principles. They have just been lied to for so long that conservative means you are racist and greedy.
---Jed on 8/25/11


AMEN. Couldn't have said it better.

This used to be called the Christian West. Weak preachers, imposters and posers, have watered it out of use. The sheep stood by and watched.

Don't rejoice, gloat lefty's. Our Lord made some promises, you haven't found yet.
---Trav on 9/23/11


//Bank of America is laying off 30,000 jobs.

so did the tax cuts work? NO//

No Mike BOA is just that stupid when running a business that is to large to fail. Also they gave NASCAR charities 1 million dollars yesterday. If you do not like having a boss go work for yourself. Do not have the victim mentality that has spread across this nation.
---Scott1 on 9/22/11


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GOP john fleming complains about his $600,000 / year salary. by the time he 'feeds his family' he is left with $400,000 / year salary.
---mike on 9/21/11


James: The government may not be able to completely fix our countries economy, but it could do a lot more than it is doing. Tax cuts and cutting unemployment benefits and slashing government spending are not the answer. But increasing demand by careful spending on infrastrure, education and continuing extended unemployment benefits would help a lot. So would reducing the balance of payments deficits so more goods were manufactured in the country. But the conservatives block attempts to use government judiciously. And it was too weak of government regulation of financial markets that got us into this problem, not too little.
---Rocky on 9/12/11


The problem with the tax cuts is they were not matched by DEMAND to make companies hire

If most people have to save money to pay off their credite card (so many people borrowed a lot, credit card, mortgage, ect), then how will they spend to buy things to make industry work

We will just have to wait, till we pay off our debts, before things get back

No, the government cannot fix things
---James on 9/12/11


the $700 billion that the gov't is collecting from taxpayers is used by defense contractors

public works creates employement. taxpayers money is used to hire private contractors to fix road with lower bids

the reconstruction of iraq are taxpayer money but there was too much corruption bec. of NO BID contracts

$700 billion bailout money that wall st. received went into the pockets of CEOs.

I guess you are gullible that the greedy CEOS will promise to create jobs after they recieved billions of taxpayer money

communism?
---mike on 9/12/11


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Bank of America is laying off 30,000 jobs.

so did the tax cuts work? NO
CEOs are getting paid in millions

by the way, it is SOCIALISM when people have jobs
1.you work hard but the co worker in front of you is lazy & you get paid the same
2. equipment at work is treated with disrespect
3. no freedom to choose, your boss tells you what to do
4. CEOs are promoted bec. of connection or they're 'white', they did not built the business

free enterprise are like Amway or Avon.
---mike on 9/12/11


Jed is correct. The liberal/Left's political propaganda/lies is very influential and dominates in the mainstream media.

For most people they don't have the time/resources to research politcal policies, and find truth, hence they are easily persuaded by propaganda.
---Haz27 on 8/25/11


"A lot of people (especially on this site) seem to think that Americans only think like the right wingers."
---NurseRobert on 8/25/11

That's because this is a Christian Blog site and "right wingers" generally adhere to biblical principles. Actually, most people in this country have proven over the last couple of years to hold more conservative values than any of us thought. And even those that consider themselves democrats don't realize that many of their values are actually conservative values and they are actually closer to being republican. They have just been lied to for so long that conservative means you are racist and greedy.
---Jed on 8/25/11


Wrong side of the American people??? Naw, Im on the wrong side of the American people who think like you. Im on the right side of people who think like me.
---NurseRobert on 8/25/11

Great point, its just that Obama is at 39% failure rate in the poles so I would say that is on the wrong side of most Americans or at least 61% of them.

And you seem to be lock step with him on most issues so that would mean, well shucks you know.

Paul
---paul on 8/25/11


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NurseRoberts, Umm, what name did I call you, liberal? I thought by your statements you were a proud liberal. As far as Kenedy's quote he sadly has it wrong. We need to look at the past because we should look to Jesus for example, the Bible for instruction and wisdom, and the constitution for keeping our government in line. Also, as Christians, we are not supposed to be accepting of ideas and teachings that are in conflict with God's word. And we should take offense to those who oppose His ways if we truly love his ways. God has not called us to compromise.
---Jed on 8/25/11


Nurse Robert is a good guy he ,just like Obama, seems to find himself on the wrong side of the matter and the American people, but none the less a good guy.
---paul on 8/24/11

Ah shucks, Paul... Thanks.

Wrong side of the American people??? Naw, Im on the wrong side of the American people who think like you. Im on the right side of people who think like me.

A lot of people (especially on this site) seem to think that Americans only think like the right wingers. Of course, thats not true.. Thats what makes this such a great country...
---NurseRobert on 8/25/11


The term "christian democrat" is truly an oxymoron.
---Jed on 8/24/11

Jed
Not so much, I know alot of Democrats who are God fearing good people.

Nurse Robert is a good guy he ,just like Obama, seems to find himself on the wrong side of the matter and the American people, but none the less a good guy.

Now a true oxymoron is a Christian social liberal, in this case their is no such thing.

You can not be for the things Gods Word declares is wrong and will send you to hell and claim God's salvation and kinship.

Paul
---paul on 8/24/11


Jed, I feel sorry for you. You can't prove your statements and really hate it when people challenge you. Instead, you have stoop to name calling.

As for me, well, I think Kennedy got it right:
"But if by a Liberal they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a Liberal, then proud to say Im a Liberal.
---NurseRobert on 8/24/11


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Why do liberals like NurseRoberts even bother participating in a Christian blog? You can't call yourself a christian and completely ignore God's word. The term "christian democrat" is truly an oxymoron.
---Jed on 8/24/11


When all the growth was in this Country, tax cuts created jobs. Nowadays, tax cuts give higher dividends to stock holders and fund the transfer of manufacture and services out of Country. This machine, this animal, has no head and no heart. Too many chiefs, that is what Public Companies have. If the frenzy in the Real Estate sector we just had called job growth and prosperity, we have just shot our foot, are we not limping?
Jed, all you said is smoke and a surreal mantra of times past, not current reality.
---Nana on 8/24/11


Funny how liberals are always saying that rich people don't care about the poor people in other countries and aren't doing enough to help them, but when they try to give them a job, then the liberals complain even more.
---Jed on 8/23/11

What a ludicrous statement.
---NurseRobert on 8/23/11


My problem is the "special interests groups" that lobby for their business. Money from the Gov to pay for the rich's flood insurance and the list goes on. It's not taxes. Lobbists, thats what is soaking us. Dems and Rebub's both are taking this money.
---wayne_5363 on 8/23/11


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Funny how liberals are always saying that rich people don't care about the poor people in other countries and aren't doing enough to help them, but when they try to give them a job, then the liberals complain even more.
---Jed on 8/23/11


Mike,

The rich for the most part, determine the fate of the middle class. The real question is, why aren't we praying for these people that we may lead a peaceable and quite life, not complain about how we are getting the short end of the stick. "there is a man who pretends he is rich yet is poor. There is a man who pretends he is poor yet possess great wealth(the kingdom of heaven)"(Proverbs 13:7), God has chosen the poor to be rich in faith(James 2:5) Don't expect the world to regard righteousness.

I agree with the moderator, this isn't a communist or socialist country, it is capitalistic. The poorest in this country have more than 90% of the world!

Good point JamesL
---willa5568 on 8/22/11


so where are the jobs mr moderator?

Bank of america announced that it will layoff workforce

GE had $3.0 billlion in profits but did not create jobs.

many corporations are making huge profit yet they are not hiring?

in the private sector you work 4 or 5 other jobs & not get paid.
profits
exxon - $19 billion
BofA - $1.9 billion tax refund
GE - $26 billion in profits over 5 years
chevron - $10 billion profits
boeing - $124 million in refund
valero energy - 157 M in tax refund
goldman sachs - 2.3 billion
citigroup - $4 billion

read top 10 companies avoiding taxes
---mike on 8/22/11


Tell, us Jed, what tax rates are those?? Companies are paying corporate taxes to other countrys AND get to deduct that from tax they pay here.

Companies move over seas because: They can hire workers at very low wages (30 cents an hour in China). The companies don't have to pay any employee benefits. They don't have to comply with safety and environmental regulations. They don't have to pay foreign taxes when they export their products back to us.

So, then, we should get rid of our minimum wage and pay people a pittance, get rid of all health and other benifits, heck with the environment, and they shouldn't have to pay any taxes??
---NurseRobert on 8/21/11


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One major problem with job loss and lack of job creation is

Union Wages and Benefits on Hyper-drive. It used to be that a skilled union crafstman made about twice minimum wage. My dad was a pipefitter making $2.05 per hour when minimum wage was $1.15

Now a union pipefitter makes about 5 times minimum wage.

It means more out of pocket cost for employers, which makes them have to raise prices, and thus makes it almost impossible to compete with those in other countries who pay less.
---James_L on 8/19/11


Companies are utilizing cheaper foreign labor in order to soften the blow of the higher tax rates they are paying. So lowering the tax burden on companies would create American jobs by allowing companies to afford local labor and would allow companies to invest more money into expanding their facilities, which will create jobs. The top 1% of income earners pay 40% of all income taxes collected. The top 10% pay nearly 80% of all income taxes collected while the lower 50% do not pay any income taxes at all. It may come out of you're pay check but you get it all back at the end of the year, usually with a little extra if you have children. So it is actually the rich sacraficing for the poor, not the the other way around.
---Jed on 8/19/11


Tell me, why did the republicans fight to continue tax deductions for companies that MOVED jobs overseas?
---NurseRobert on 8/18/11

This is playing politics my friend, these companies have foreign and domestic bases, the domestic ones receiving tax cuts as ALL companies do.

These companies have to flee America taxation and you desire to punish them for it.

Would it not make more sense to make it more attractive for them to do all their business here in America?

If you do a little research you will find that this had Rep and Dem support, so their appears to be some common sense Dems on board.

Paul

---paul on 8/19/11




Nurse

CBS News
Mr. Obama said the bill would create jobs and boost the still-struggling U.S. economy. He called it a "substantial victory for middle class families" who would otherwise have seen a tax increase.

Calling the cuts a victory to keep taxes off middle class.


This admin is not introducing jobs into our economy, and companies have become productive with less employees thus over stressing their work force.

Companies are scared to hire for lack of confidence in this admin and policies.

Nurse I know you dislike Republicans but they have the best ideas to revigurate this economy, the only time Obama comes close is when he compromises his way for theirs.

Paul
---paul on 8/18/11


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Paul, Obama did not "have the opportunity," he gave them up so the unemployed could get some kind of assistance.

Tell me, why did the republicans fight to continue tax deductions for companies that MOVED jobs overseas?

How many jobs were created in the last year? The jobs that are available are to replace those who have left employment for one reason or another. Employers are NOT filling jobs.

Common sense?? It doesnt make sense that companies made record profits (1.6 TRILLION) but, where are the jobs? They have found they can make money without hiring more people.

And they are not spreading it.. the disparity of wealth is getting wider and wider. And the jobs are still not there.
---NurseRobert on 8/18/11


Where are the jobs? The rich are creating jobs... in China, India, Pakistan.. The "rich" have had the bush tax cuts for YEARS and have gotten richer because of it.
---NurseRobert on 8/18/11

Nurse

Obama had an opportunity to allow these tax cuts to expire, why did he not?

Because they allow for more expansion in the private sector, I know your gonna ask where are these jobs.

Well look around you, virtually every job in the private sector, nurses included, are due to a rich person being able to hire people.

Common since tells you that if you take capital from a capitalist you inhibit his ability to spread the wealth, not redistribute it, but spread it through the economy.

Paul
---paul on 8/18/11


For those that think more taxes helps the economy, please explain how?
---Moderator on 8/18/11


Ahh, this old chestnut again.

Where are the jobs? The rich are creating jobs... in China, India, Pakistan.. The "rich" have had the bush tax cuts for YEARS and have gotten richer because of it.

But, as a moderator told me last time this issue came up, Im "just" a nurse and know nothing of things like this..
---NurseRobert on 8/18/11


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I am fully disgusted by the level of GREED the constant talk of politics within our country and in our churches.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/18/11

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke

Paul
---paul on 8/18/11


Can we be honest here?

Everyone living in the USA is RICH.

Compare yourselves not to other people in the US, but to people from other countries. Our minimum wage is riches to most of the world.

I am fully disgusted by the level of GREED the constant talk of politics within our country and in our churches.

Could we stop talking politics long enough to talk to our neighbors? This is why witnessing for Christ is dead in our country. We are too busy talking trash about the other political party.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/18/11


I would have to say no. The biggest job creator is certainty and profit margin. The rich know how to send out money to make more money. Whether by better equipment, more personal, and/or wise investments. Tax cuts can better allow the profit margin and certainty principles to happen but is only a part of the whole. As far as food stamps and unemployment insurance those things can prevent collapse by allowing people to still buy basic needs (food, mortgages, and loans) and a few non-essentials if they have been wise with money previously.
---Scott1 on 8/18/11


China and elsewhere, after certain rich people have gone elsewhere in order to get cheaper labor,
---Bill_willa6989 on 8/17/11

And to avoid the same taxes spoke of here.

Paul
---paul on 8/17/11


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Mike

You don't hear of the jobs because they are ongoing and spontaneous.

Everyone you know of and those you dont have gotten a job because a job creator, whether Democrat or Republican, could afford to hire someone.

If the JC has to pay more taxes he will most likely have to cut production or work force, which do you think is going to go?

The more capital a JC looses in overhead the less the JC has to operate on thus eliminating less crucial positions.

In an already unstable economy with uncertainty bearing down on JC's the last thing you want to do is to make them feel less secure due to tax hikes, Obama care is enough on JC's without more Government controls to deal with.

Paul
---paul on 8/17/11


Here's a kick in the head for you Mike.

Last week, Press Secretary Jay Carney made the bold and odd claim that unemployment checks create jobs Well, it seems the government-welfare-programs-create-jobs mantra is becoming a popular mantra, as now Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack went on MSNBC Tuesday morning to make the case that food stamps are job creators.
Yes, Vilsack actually calls the food stamp program an economic stimulus:

Obama job creations, gotta love em

Paul
---paul on 8/17/11


The jobs, it seems, have been going to China and elsewhere, after certain rich people have gone elsewhere in order to get cheaper labor, so they can compete with other rich owners . . . maybe (c: And ones buying have chosen to buy things made by workers with jobs in another country. So, the jobs are where the rich owners plus the buyers have chosen for the jobs to be! But if we love others as ourselves, I can not object to people in other countries getting jobs.
---Bill_willa6989 on 8/17/11


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