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Is This A Fantasy

I have been dreaming for several months of a young man prior to knowing him. My first realization was that he is my other half cause the dreams were such that he appeared like my husband to be. Is this fantasy or could this be from God?

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\\When have I ever said I don't, you can read alot of my posts that say in my opinion or I feel a certain way about something.\\

Invariably, when pressed, all you have to to by are simply your own subjective attitudes and feelings. Repeatedly, you have said, "I feel....."

I go by what Christ has revealed to the Orthodox Church--which means the millions of Orthodox believers through the ages, and what He has taught them as well.

\\Are these things you assume from others things you yourself struggle with?\\

"Tu quoque" is not an argument, but rather a sign that you yourself are becoming defensive.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/11


And especially do you NEVER fall back on "I feel" or other personal experience to prove your point, right?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/24/11

When have I ever said I don't, you can read alot of my posts that say in my opinion or I feel a certain way about something.

Are these things you assume from others things you yourself struggle with?

Paul
---paul on 8/24/11


the seg,

Your judgement is rediculous and arrogant. I know it was from God yet I am afraid to say it is because of fear of being a false prophet. Believe what you wish, you'll see.
---willa5568 on 8/24/11


\\Thats you analytical view of scriptures, not scriptural support.\\

And of course, you never do this yourself, do you, paul?

You never give merely your own analytical view of scriptures, but scriptural support.

And especially do you NEVER fall back on "I feel" or other personal experience to prove your point, right?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/24/11


\\And where was it in the Bible that it supported you, I must have missed your post\\

That spiritual dreams are a relatively rare occurrence.

St. Joseph's dreams are among the few exceptional ones mentioned in the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/24/11


Cluny

Thats you analytical view of scriptures, not scriptural support.

Paul
---paul on 8/24/11




I feel like some of you believe God, is a God of chance!
Maybe it will, and if it does, than!

When did God ever leave you just standing there?
Wondering, if it will or won't happen?
Is this what you've been leaded to believe?
A big, maybe!

Pharaoh, so you know, I am the lord!
Maybe, the water will turn to blood!
And if it does, you will know, I am the lord!
If this sounds like your God, good luck with it!

If it is from God, there should be no "ifs"
This is why so many of you are so "ify" yourselves.
Don't get mad at me, for pointing it out!

If it happens then, it's from God. Give me a brake!
---TheSeg on 8/24/11


\\And where was it in the Bible that it supported you, I must have missed your post\\

That spiritual dreams are a relatively rare occurrence.

St. Joseph's dreams are among the few exceptional ones mentioned in the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/24/11


Cluny,was Josephs dream not thesame kind? to marry Mary? i know you'll say its different, yet onthe other hand... we donot know God's plan in their life. sadly one party abandoned, but that does not make the dream ungodly perse. My wife had a dream to marrie me as well, she obeyed and now she's my support in ministry (literally). As a foreign mission i deal with 20 languages in church, she translates, helps in prayers and does much more. it is difficult to kick the pricks without her. BLESS YOU and thanks, NOW WE UNDERSTAND what you meant, and in a sense i understand what you imply, but was it not you who said in another post that nobody could see in the heart of another the fruits (manifestations) of GOD? i could mix you up wit someone else.
---andy3996 on 8/24/11


And yes, I've had those. Have you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/11

I have had God warn me in many ways and unfortunately I have ignored it and failed also I have headed and conquered.

And where was it in the Bible that it supported you, I must have missed your post.

Paul
---paul on 8/23/11


\\And you have failed to prove that these spiritual encounters are impossible now.\\

But I've never said they are impossible now, nor will I ever do so.

What I'm warning against is

1. insisting there's anything God given about this woman's dream.

2. assuming that dreams in general are messages from God. The Bible DOES support me on this, as there are so few spiritual dreams in the 2000 plus years of history the Bible covers.

I repeat:

Dreams should NOT be trusted as divine messages UNLESS they warn you of judgement, or lead you to repentance and contrition, or show you some spiritual weakness in YOURSELF you need to work on.

And yes, I've had those. Have you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/11




You actually think this woman's dream lines up with Scripture?
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/11

At this point the subject has transferred to post-Pentecost spiritual outpouring.

It is no longer about this woman's dream or If I choose to believe it or not.

And you have failed to prove that these spiritual encounters are impossible now.

Paul
---paul on 8/23/11


\\then where did the post-apostolic saints get their dreams and visions? from God, becomes impossible, or we need to accept that Joel's prophecy is still at work today.\\

My point, which seems to be missed, is that there's no evidence here that this particular dream comes under Joel's prophecy.

And as someone else said, what DOCTRINE--FRUIT comes with the dream?

A friend of mine talked all the time about a dream she had in which there would be a "Holy Ghost revival of restoration" and she would be carrying the banner of victory.

Again, where is the humility or contrition in this dream? Sounds to me more like she wanted to present herself as more than a little bit special.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/11


\\It does not line up with scripture therefore I can not accept it.\\

You actually think this woman's dream lines up with Scripture?

You can believe in dreams, if you wish.

I will believe in the Bible and 2000 years of Christian understanding of it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/11


TheSeg,

first my friend, I never said I was a prophet, but told a dream I had that I wonder if it is of God. I can't say yes because this has never happened before, but I have a feeling more than likely it is. I really don't care how you feel or what your opinion is, but do pray you consider how you speak of others, because you will be judged in like manner, brother.

And if it does become what was in my dream, then yes it is a prophecy, but it doesn't make me a prophet

Shalom
---willa5568 on 8/23/11


Cluny, Paul thanks
Cluny, Joel was indeed fullfilled in the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
ever since this time, we have a supernatural power to walk in the spiritual domain of God. this includes prophecies and dreams as St. Paul confirms over and over again. we are to walk within the Spirit.
Now Cluny what i'm asking now is a trickquestion, so please have no urge to answer. im asking this,in a sense for you to reflect. if this manifestation is fullfilled and finnished at pentecost, then where did the post-apostolic saints get their dreams and visions? from God, becomes impossible, or we need to accept that Joel's prophecy is still at work today.
---andy3996 on 8/23/11


It can be dangerous to put any credence in dreams, visions, or other wierd type of experiences as there can be other influences involved. I take medication that can cause wierd dreams but what we should focus on is what is in the word of God.

Ellen White for instance put too much stock in her visions and ended up creating a devilish religion of works.
---leej on 8/23/11


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Remember Custers, remember Lee.
But, most of all remember me!

Now if Hurricane Lee turns out to be anything, are you a prophet?
I'll take Irene, because she was a nightmare!

And just so you know, why.
Act 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Act 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

I also remember something about strong delusion.
I have had dreams and visions too, but unfortunately all good.
No one wants to hear good things, right!
There was one, which gave me pause! We where all standing round a city, the city was on fire. However, the fire had a strange glow!
---TheSeg on 8/22/11


Why do you refuse to accept it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/22/11

It does not line up with scripture therefore I can not accept it.

No where does it say the Joelistic prophesy is a finished work.

Its no big deal, you see it how you wish to.

Paul
---paul on 8/22/11


Sister,

God certainly does give us visions and dreams when He desires. An example is this. Three nights ago I had a dream where there was a weather map and on it were two hurricanes, the first wasn't named but the second was, Lee. I woke wondering what it meant. So I went to the Weather Channel site and sure enough Lee was a name on the list. I have been hesitant to tell others because I do not wish to falsely prophesy, but I share this to encourage you to seek God to understand this dream and do not be afraid to believe it.

Shalom
---willa5568 on 8/22/11


Stay Tune and find out!
---John on 8/22/11


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I have given you sound doctrine, paul.

Why do you refuse to accept it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/22/11


Ac 2:16 "But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh, Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days, And they shall prophesy.

The administration of the Spirit being poured out was not fulfillment in the sense that it was finished.

It was the beginning of the promise being filled which is still ongoing.

God is still in the process of fulfilling this prophesy, has God removed His spirit, if not He is still working.

Paul
---paul on 8/22/11


Cluny and Andy

I just read a profile from an individual from Israel that I thought was inspiring and touched on this topic.

Login and check it out, view profile paua5579,

Paul
---paul on 8/22/11


\\It cant be denied that Joel's prophesy could play a role here,and that it could be God's supernatural.\\

Yes, it can be denied that this has ANYTHING to do with Joel's prophecy.

St. Peter said in Acts 2 that Joel's prophecy was fulfilled by the descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

Furthermore, there is NOTHING to affirm that there is anything in this woman's to suggest it has a THING to do with Joel's prophecy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/22/11


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There are 3 sources of dreams, God, the evil one & your self/mind. Persistence of appearance of a thing in a dream does not make it a Godly thing. That is why a believer must go and ask God to know the meaning of the dream or to know if the message of the dream is from God. Ask & you will receive.
---Adetunji on 8/22/11


Very few of us, including present company on these blogs, are spiritually advanced enough for God to speak to us by dreams.
Glory to Jesus Christ! ---Cluny on 8/18/11
Thats all Im saying.PAUL

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.Joseph was 17 years Mary was 15year,
Samuel was 8 when the Lord first talked to him, ussually people live more spiritually when they have no experience in Christ whatsoever. let us therefore stretch on to the Spiritual gifts. i agree that these infants need help, in their new experience that's why we elderly need opennes
---andy3996 on 8/22/11


I never dreamed more then once of which i'm certain it was from God. and i'm church since three years of age, yet God gave me the gift of interpreting, and i might say that indeed many who first ghot a dream, from the lord end easely up in "putting them all in the same number of divine revelation" mostly people ghet offended. still i do know a few who dream prophetically very regularly as well. (as Joseph dreamt about Mary and Jesus).this dream about a husband should indeed be tested.
---andy3996 on 8/22/11


When, I first saw my wife of now 40 years.
I didn't dream about her, wish for her or talk to anyone about her!
Other then God!

But, I did ask God for her hand. I did!
I remember because of the lie I told God.
I remember saying at the end.
"And I will never ask for anything else!"
An almost unbelievable set of events, happen!
The story will end here!

But, does this mean God give her to me, because I asked?
After 40 years, it seems like she has always been by my side.
I know a man, who more than 40 years ago, told me.
"He is waiting for God to tell him, who!"
Yes, he is still a bachelor!
Peace!
---TheSeg on 8/22/11


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As a general rule, God has very little to do with our dreams, and there's nothing to suggest that these dreams are in the least spiritual.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/21/11

It cant be denied that Joel's prophesy could play a role here,and that it could be God's supernatural.

I don't want to discount any possibilities with God, your assessment is likely but not definite.

And congrats on 50 years with the Lord, so tell me was it as cramped on that ark as one would think :-)



Paul


---paul on 8/21/11


\\I was simply saying that I have noticed you pay very little homage towards God spiritual acts when mentioned on these posts.\\

As a general rule, God has very little to do with our dreams, and there's nothing to suggest that these dreams are in the least spiritual.

That's what God's taught me in my going on 5 decades of walking with Him.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/21/11


A lot of ladies dream of young men, and men dream of young ladies. Your dream may be from desire or your dream may be from God, "que sera sera", time will reveal "what will be will be".
---Eloy on 8/21/11


Paul since you don't really know me, you're in no position to make a judgement about my spiritual maturity, now are you?
Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/20/11

Cluny

I was simply saying that I have noticed you pay very little homage towards God spiritual acts when mentioned on these posts.

Whether it is based upon the frequency or repetitiveness of posts relating to the topic which makes you skeptical or not I do not know.
I was going on your own analysis of your spiritual walk.


Let's be honest. Very few of us, including present company on these blogs, are spiritually advanced enough for God to speak to us by dreams.
Glory to Jesus Christ! ---Cluny on 8/18/11

Thats all Im saying.

---paul on 8/20/11


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One thing Orthodox spiritual writers teach is to beware of dreams. Faith in one's dreams is one of the traps laid by demons for spiritual beginners.

We should never think our dreams have any spiritual significance unless they warn of judgment or lead us to repentance and contrition.

Do you see that going on here?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/21/11


Paul since you don't really know me, you're in no position to make a judgement about my spiritual maturity, now are you?

Posts by lovesick females dreaming of their ideal husband appear here with some frequency. They all ask if these dreams are sent by God. (Why do MEN never report such dreams?)

My answer is always the same. There are only 12 dreams of spiritual significance in the 2000 years of history the Bible records, so that should give them a clue.

A certain widow of my acquaintance was always having dreams about men she had recently met, believing that each one was JUST the man she should marry. As you can guess, she's been living in disappointment for 40 years.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/20/11


I have a close enough relationship with Jesus over the last few decades before I was even aware of your existence
---Cluny on 8/19/11

Cluny

What does age or how long you have known me have to do with anything.

I know people who have served God for decades who are very immature spiritually.

And some who have served for a few years with impeccable spirituality.

Some people get more caught up in the ceremonial side of Christianity and extinguish the spiritual side, look at Mary and Martha.

Thats all I was saying, that's not to doubt your salvation, just your spiritual maturity.

Thus causing you to doubt all supernatural encounters people speak of.

Paul
---paul on 8/19/11


\\You did answer why you discount super natural experiences with God.

Because you dont have that relationship in a way that allows it, but dont discourage others who do.\\

I have a close enough relationship with Jesus over the last few decades before I was even aware of your existence to know there's nothing supernatural here.

Were these dreams truly of God, He'd make it known to the man, too, don't you think?

There's a very similar story involving a woman named Angelique who has similar fantasies about a married man she's prayed for over the last 10 years.

Would you call THIS fantasy "supernatural"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/11


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Joseph is one of the few cases we have recorded, as you say it did not stop there.

And God does know all about our relationship and how He uses me in the ministry. This is not the venue to elaborate in that.

And where is the cut off point concerning the prophesy in Joel, far as I know it is ongoing.


All I know is that I'm a sinner.
Glory to Jesus Christ! ---Cluny on 8/19/11

You did answer why you discount super natural experiences with God.

Because you dont have that relationship in a way that allows it, but dont discourage others who do.

You are very well known for this, please dont frustrate others ambitions of seeking Gods supernatural.

Paul
---paul on 8/19/11


...Bible covers 2000 years of human history, and there are no more than a dozen dreams of any spiritual significance in its pages.
****

AMEN

prophetic dreams from God have involved judgments and messages to PEOPLE (plural) not a prophetic "feel good" God is sending me a personal message about my husband to be

many have premonitions that DO come to fruition HOWEVER having a sixth sense is NOT the same as having a message from GOD

dreams come and go ...feelings come and go ...its sweet to have a fantasy or a crush however unless this MAN is physically in your presence now and you are COMMUNICATING get out of the dream-world and into reality and LIVE
---Rhonda on 8/19/11


\\How super spiritual do you think Joseph was, years on end would dissolve and he would hear nothing from God, till the time came for him to be used.\\

He was certainly walking as closely to God as could be done in the days before Christ or even before the Law.

And in any case, you are simply giving one of the FEW examples of 2000 years of human history the Bible records of dreams having any spiritual significance.

And you can speak for yourself, for I walk pretty closely to God and experience His supernatural quite often.\\

Only God Himself knows that. All I know is that I'm a sinner.

\\And it was fore told to us.
Joel 2:28....\\

This was fulfilled at Pentecost.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/11


"Is this fantasy or could this be from God?"
It is what ever you believe it to be.
For whatever you believe to be true, for you, it is truth.
Pay careful attention to what becomes you central focus on in life, for from that focus flow the situations, and circumstances of life.
Biblically it is stated this way "Keep your heart with all diligence, For out of it spring the issues of life." Pro 4:23
"According to your faith be it unto you."
---Josef on 8/18/11


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Let's be honest. Very few of us, including present company on these blogs, are spiritually advanced enough for God to speak to us by dreams.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/18/11

How super spiritual do you think Joseph was, years on end would dissolve and he would hear nothing from God, till the time came for him to be used.

And you can speak for yourself, for I walk pretty closely to God and experience His supernatural quite often.

And it was fore told to us.
Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh, Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions.

Paul
---paul on 8/18/11


Judith, you're the only one who can help us out
give more info
---andy3996 on 8/19/11


Wow! Here I go..my dear Sis. be very carefull! I had a dream a month before meet the guy,I took it like a sign(yes! Naive,lonely) my husband had got killed. Long story,short,the man 'n a wheelchair so,what damage cud he do?Wrong! Turn out he was a convicted attemp/murder..found out he ask use my fon (claim he got attacked. That why he was "wheel chair") I call police for him,they told me they look' for him"the guy 'n my dreams!" He admitted the truth... been years ago. The heart despitefully wicked who can know it! Jer.Kjv.17:9
---ELENA on 8/19/11


\\You never answered why you discount all supernatural inquires of God, why do you do so?
\\

There's nothing here to indicate that there's anything supernatural, of God or otherwise, going on.

Let's be honest. Very few of us, including present company on these blogs, are spiritually advanced enough for God to speak to us by dreams.

If you live your life by dreams, it will soon turn into a nightmare.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/18/11


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//Allow me to understand, you dreamed of a man of whom you have now met or you have not met.

And if you have met are you convinced he is the same man?//

Paul, let me help. She gave her chat/christian dating name. someone (of every age) will contact her hoping that they are that young man.

there is an ample supply of scammers there because there is an endless supply of very lonely people.

i have been on there long enough to recognize this pattern quickly.
---aka on 8/18/11


If this dream was a revelation from God and is truly your man, God will reveal this to him, as well. You would not be alone in this.God does not work like that.
Somehow you and this man would meet and things would fall into place,naturally.Nothing can stop this. If the relationship is meant to be, it will work our for the best. He must feel what you feel, or dreamed.
---Robyn on 8/18/11


Allow me to understand, you dreamed of a man of whom you have now met or you have not met.

And if you have met are you convinced he is the same man?

Paul
---paul on 8/18/11


Get real, girl.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/18/11

You never answered why you discount all supernatural inquires of God, why do you do so?

Paul
---paul on 8/18/11


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This is nothing more than a romantic fantasy on your part, and you did NOT realize that he was your other half, but merely want to think so.

As I've said elsewhere to someone who posted a similar fantasy to yours, the Bible covers 2000 years of human history, and there are no more than a dozen dreams of any spiritual significance in its pages.

Get real, girl.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/18/11


pray and test
---andy3996 on 8/18/11


God can communicate through dreams. But we need to first be interested in God's dreams for us coming true > "'But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.'" (Matthew 6:33)

We can dream about things we have been giving our attention to and have been wishing for, so that dreams can tell us what we want to hear. In our prayer, also, we can hear what we want God to tell us!

So . . . "Test all things, hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) How well are you preparing for marriage so that you are ready to live the way the Bible says to relate with the Lord and your husband? Ephesians 5:18-33, 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, Philippians 2:14-16, 1 Peter 3:1-9..
---Bill_willa6989 on 8/18/11


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