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Gift Of Healing Ministry

Do you know of anyone in the Bible who was not a minister in some capacity who had the gift of healing, and can you have a ministry solely based upon healing?

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 ---paul on 8/18/11
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Wow! Paul, great teaching on here...agree with you! God bless! ELENA
---ELENA on 8/23/11


We are all in the ministry some just have secular jobs.
---Scott on 8/22/11

Scott

Just as I said in my response to Shria their is a difference between adMINISTERing gifts into the body and being called by God to be His Minister as per Eph 4:11

Paul
---paul on 8/22/11


//Ordained or not, how could you know what these peoples calling is?//

I don't and they don't know what their calling is for this season or the next season. They just tried it and God worked through them. We are all in the ministry some just have secular jobs. Healing is a gift, not a calling, subject to the greatest glory of God.
---Scott on 8/22/11


thanks Paul, with the last startement i can totally agree with. for indeed there are many powers in this world that are not from GOD, these powers struggle and battle to gain control, even humanity tries to ghet rid of Satan's power, that's why he hates even unbelievers, he know that we are unwilling slaves who would destroy him as soon we had a chance.
problem with humanity is that he has beacome mortal, and that he doesnt want to run to HIM who can really set him free.
it appears
---andy3996 on 8/22/11


Paul, "I think you did for unbelievers have no power spiritually at all".
i fail to disagree,
---andy3996 on 8/22/11

I should have been more specific, what I mean is that they can not have spiritual powers from God, such as for Godly healings.

I have exercised a few demons and seen demonstrations of their power and influence, so I know their are powers available that are not of God.

But you must be Gods before accessing His power.

Paul
---paul on 8/22/11




paul, you post falsehood. Please do not address me further until you are ready to accept the truth.
---Eloy on 8/21/11

I posted the Word, If you choose to deny it that is your decision.

Eloy, why dont you focus more on trying to help people with your knowledge of scripture as opposed to hurting them.

Do you realize you have zero votes on your helpful posts profile?

You can do good if you would seek God and try to do so.

Paul
---paul on 8/22/11


Paul, "I think you did for unbelievers have no power spiritually at all".
i fail to disagree, willpower can be very powerfull with or without Christ.
pagan exorsists appear to controle demons by their own human spirit, since the devil cannot be against himself, and only those in Christ use HIS NAME
also in conquering cancer doctors affirm that "possitive patients" have a higher chance of healing and recovery then negative people.
---andy3996 on 8/22/11


Paul, passages you gave refer to believers, but unbelievers also have powers.---Mark_V. on 8/22/11


Mark

Did you mean to say ministers and non ministers here?

I think you did for unbelievers have no power spiritually at all.

I am not trying to start anything new here, I am looking for a non minister in the Word who performed healings or scriptures that says they can.

Can you post any?

Paul
---paul on 8/22/11


Paul, passages you gave refer to believers, but unbelievers also have powers. And when you gave Eph. 4:11 it was speaking to those He has called into service in His Church. But (v.12) tells the purpose for all who will believe (saints) "the work of ministry" been ministers is a spiritual service required of every Christian not just Church leaders (1 Cor. 15:58). I also agree with 1 Cliff, that much of what you see today, in the last 150 years is all fake, which I believe has its roots in early Methodism of the eighteenth century and the revivalism of Charles G. Finney in the first half of the nineteenth century. John Wesley also taught a definite second work of grace distinct from the remission of sins.
---Mark_V. on 8/22/11


1Co 12:11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
1Co 12:18 But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased.

In 1Cor I find the beginning to be adressing the body of Christ which is all incompissing therefore allowing the gifts to be spoken of for ministers and lay men alike.

In the latter part I find it to be more specific and focused on the ones directly in ministry.

But it also says He will do as He pleases with them, so it is at His sole discretion.

I am just putting an idea out for thoughts, I'm not endorsing anything.

Paul
---paul on 8/21/11




paul, you post falsehood. Please do not address me further until you are ready to accept the truth.
---Eloy on 8/21/11


For casting out demons is healing,
---Eloy on 8/20/11


Eloy
Casting out demons is NOT HEALING in the sense we are discussing here.
I am talking about bodily healing, not spiritual healing.






What you're setting yourself up for here is EXACTLY the Biblical support for auricular confession.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/20/11

Cluny

Thanks for the advice, you are correct in your analysis.
But that is not what I am getting at.

I am talking about helping a person to understand the need to confess and repent.

Not that they can repent to a man for forgiveness.

That crossed my mind as well, not many people would see that, your pretty sharp
---paul on 8/20/11


Paul, i know your trying to play the devil's lawyer here, in asking people things about what you allready know the answerr, andin theologie it is often used to discover new paths for a student, however none of us is a theologian here (except those who are)
what have you to say upon my post concerning 1 Cor 12, how do you see it?
---andy3996 on 8/21/11


This whole discussion is indicative of the "religion" that is an outcropping of Christianity via Paul!
No Quadrapelegic, Down Syndrom, amputee etc. has ever been "healed" religiously,
This whole "ism" is part of the psuedo-Christian movement designed to push "seek first the Kingdom" command by Christ , to the shadows!
Church business,finances,titled appointments,building commitees,entertainment,emotional outbursts with mass hysteria,spooky psycho-somatic "healings" etc..
How far we have strayed!!!
---1st_cliff on 8/21/11


Paul, I agree with "We all have a purpose but we are not all called into the ministry, if so why does he differentiate between the two"
I did not mean to imply otherwise.
---Chria9396 on 8/21/11


Christ is Healer.
---andy3996 on 8/20/11

Christ is always the one who heals no matter who it is through.

But I don't see any evidence that says non ministers can heal.

If their is I am very interested to see it.

Paul
---paul on 8/20/11


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I've read through posts on different occasions, and each time had the same thought, that we are all, in some capacity, ministers.
---Chria9396 on 8/19/11

Chira

In the sense of the good Samaritan, yes.

But God distinguishes between those called into the ministry and those who have gift of helping in the body.

We all have a purpose but we are not all called into the ministry, if so why does he differentiate between the two?

Eph 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
Rom 15:25, 2Cor 9:12

Paul
---paul on 8/20/11


paul, Everything. My reply answers your question perfectly: For casting out demons is healing, and the one whom was cating out demons was not an ordained follower of Christ.
---Eloy on 8/20/11


Be careful, paul.

What you're setting yourself up for here is EXACTLY the Biblical support for auricular confession.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/20/11


1 cor 12, we mostly agree that this talks about the hifts of a the church and b the governmental ministry, i've noticed that the "gift of heailing is mentioned in both camps, whilst the destinction between prophecy and prophet is made. verses 7-13 is generally accepted as the "ecclesiastic gifts" whilst verses 28-31 are accepted as the governmental gifts. verses 4-5 talk about the difference between. the other verses talk about coopeation for Christ.
Christ is Healer.
---andy3996 on 8/20/11


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Cluny

This again is by a Minister.

Jas 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
15 And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.

This is in reference to spiritual healing
Just as in John 20:23 and James 5:20 by confessing your faults one can aids in your repentance thus healing your sins. "By stripes"

Paul
---paul on 8/19/11


Every believer can lay hands on the sick for healing, but that's through faith. Evangelists on the other hand have been empowered to work miracles.
---Rickey on 8/19/11

Rickey

The gift of miracles has very little to do with healing, a miracle is a supernatural act of God such as turning water to wine or the loaves and fishes.
It is often translated as a sign.

The gift of healing is making the body whole through healing virtue by the power of God.

Paul
---paul on 8/19/11


Rickey, why is it those people who claim to have been anointed by God, with God's given power to heal, often quote what is written in Mark 16:17, but they avoid what is written on Mark 16:18, even though they are part of the same sentence?
---Rob on 8/19/11

Whose doing this here?
Again I'm neither confirming or denying this theory.

It is a thought I had while in discussion with a friend and I presented it here as a question.

So far it has not been proven wrong, but I am open to it.

Paul
---paul on 8/19/11


\\Their is nothing indicating other wise either.\\

James 5:16

Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. James 5:16.

The Greek word translated "righteous man" is dikaiou, which is generic, it can mean either man or woman.

Nothing here suggesting it's limited to clergy, though presbyters are the usual ministers of Holy Unction (or Prayer Oil, as we call it in Orthodoxy).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/11


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Rickey, why is it those people who claim to have been anointed by God, with God's given power to heal, often quote what is written in Mark 16:17, but they avoid what is written on Mark 16:18, even though they are part of the same sentence?
---Rob on 8/19/11


Yes...you can have a ministry soley based on healing. That is one of the signs of an evangelist.
---Rickey on 8/19/11

Rickey, with that being the case then the person is a minister (Evangelist)


Rob

Why would me referring to the five fold ministry make me anything other than a Bible believer? Eph 4

Luke 8:43 is speaking of doctoral healing.

2 Cor Paul's thorn

1 Tim 5 I dont have a clue?

What does any of this have to do with my question?


there is in scripture nothing that would imply a "simple believer cannot pray for healing and restoration.
---andy3996 on 8/19/11

Andy

Their is nothing indicating other wise either.

Still searching.

Paul
---paul on 8/19/11


Yes, "And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out demons in your name, and he follows not us: and we forbade him because he follows not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no person which will do a miracle in my name that can lightly speak evil of me. For that one that is not against us is on our side." Mark 9:38-40.
---Eloy on 8/19/11

What does this have to do with my question of only ministers being able to heal?

Paul
---paul on 8/19/11


Yes, "And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out demons in your name, and he follows not us: and we forbade him because he follows not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no person which will do a miracle in my name that can lightly speak evil of me. For that one that is not against us is on our side." Mark 9:38-40.
---Eloy on 8/19/11


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Yes...you can have a ministry soley based on healing. That is one of the signs of an evangelist. In Ephesians 4:11 it lists the 5-fold ministry gifts. Signs of an evangelist include miracles and gifts of healing. (1Corinthians 12:28)

Jesus at times went about healing and working miracles as an Evangelist.(Acts 10:38)

Every believer can lay hands on the sick for healing, but that's through faith. Evangelists on the other hand have been empowered to work miracles.
---Rickey on 8/19/11


\\Scriptures bare out ,according to my recent studies, that all healings were performed by ministers or the like.\\

Scriptures bear out several things according to my studies that you would disagree with, too.

To deal explicitly with ministry, according to the Bible, the Church had bishops, presbyters, and deacons, and congregations were mutually responsible to each other. In fact, all presbyters were ordained by bishops.

Technically, according to the Bible the only ones who performed miracles of healing were the Apostles, but it would be foolish to say that miraculous healings stopped with their deaths, because we know better from Church history.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/19/11


Paul,"I don't see any non ministers in scriptures performing healings, maybe I am over looking them, but I don't see it".
who's healing and upon what is healing produced?
it is true that healing is a gift of the Holy Ghost. yet biblically (Matt 21:21, Mark 16:17-20 and John 14:12)
i do acknowledge that healing is wrought more through evangelists and apostles, but thuis is yet of course to confirm the good news. on the other hand there is in scripture nothing that would imply a "simple believer cannot pray for healing and restoration.
---andy3996 on 8/19/11


Paul, you talk about the "Five Fold Ministry".

This cause me to ask if you are of the NEW AGE or WORD OF FAITH MOVEMENT?
---Rob on 8/19/11


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Paul, on 8/18/11 you wrote "Scriptures bare out to my recent studies, that all healings were performed by miniters or the like".

"if you have evidence contrary to that I am open to it and welcome it".

Paul, have you considered what is written in Luke 8:43, 2 Corinthians 12:7-10, and 1 Timothy 5:21-24?
---Rob on 8/19/11


I've read through posts on different occasions, and each time had the same thought, that we are all, in some capacity, ministers. Who does the following refer to? Isa 61:67 6 And you will be called priests of the LORD,
you will be named ministers of our God." I've heard it spoken to the body of Christ...
2 Corinthians 3:6
"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenantnot of the letter but of the Spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."
Just a thought, a miraculous healing is a manifestation of Spirit giving life to a body or part that is dead or diseased/corrupted...whoever is used is just a vessel
---Chria9396 on 8/19/11


I know of people who have healed people who are not ordained ministers.
---Scott1 on 8/19/11

Ordained or not, how could you know what these peoples calling is?

Perhaps they are called into the five fold ministry and they are not walking in it or are not even are aware of it.

I don't see any non ministers in scriptures performing healings, maybe I am over looking them, but I don't see it.

Paul
---paul on 8/19/11


Do you think the Holy Spirit stopped working after the last page of the Bible was written?
---Cluny on 8/18/11

Not for a minute do I think this way, but ALL things available to us have been introduced to us and led up with an example in scripture for our edification.

Scriptures bare out ,according to my recent studies, that all healings were performed by ministers or the like.

If you have evidence contrary to that I am open to it and welcome it.

Paul
---paul on 8/18/11


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Mt 10:7 Mr 3:14 Lu 4:18
Lu 9:2 Lu 10:8 Ac 4:29 Ac 9:10 Ac 9:17

These are what I have studied so far, see what you think.

Paul
---paul on 8/19/11


There wouldn't be any Paul. For unlike the Apostate of today who "Claim" to heal for the sake of healing in itself.

Healing was not intended as the end. but The Means or Tool to enhance HS teachings.

FEW TODAY UNDERSTAND THIS TEACHING OF CHRIST...
LUKE4:23...
"I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijahs time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land. Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon. And there were many in Israel with leprosy in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed only Naaman the Syrian."
---John on 8/19/11


I don't know of any specific healings by non-ordained people. however, the same Spirit that healed people through Jesus, Paul, Peter is the same Spirit that we have today. I know of people who have healed people who are not ordained ministers. A ministry solely based on healing is ok has long as 1) glory to God is pronounced for the healing 2)If healing does not take place it is not because of lack of faith or lack of commitment or want. God uses sickness to correct a behavior and that person may not be through what God needs to do to make them stronger.
---Scott1 on 8/19/11


Paul,

you are correct that the ability to heal was directly related to a commision to preach the gospel.

I don't recall any incident in scripture where a believer was healed through the hand of someone else.

Healing seems to be given as a sign to validate the message. Just like tongues are a sign for unbelievers.

If there is not an unbeliever within earshot, you will not hear a legitimate tongue.

These so-called healing ministries don't ever heal like we see in scripture. They might pray, and God might answer that prayer.

But a single-focus minisry of healing?
Hmmm
---James_L on 8/18/11


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\\From my research I can not find anywhere in the Bible where someone had the gift of healing without otherwise being a minister of some sort or fashion.\\

There are are quite a few of such people in Church history, both men and women.

Do you think the Holy Spirit stopped working after the last page of the Bible was written?

OTOH, the important thing is what DOCTRINE came with these signs.

FWIW, Acts records that Philip the Deacon had 4 daughters that prophesied.
---Cluny on 8/18/11


There are some who have the Gift of Healing and some have the Gift of Miracles and not all of them are preachers or ministers.
---Darlene_1 on 8/18/11


Can you show one in the Bible, that is the question?

Paul
---paul on 8/18/11


There are some who have the Gift of Healing and some have the Gift of Miracles and not all of them are preachers or ministers. God gives the Gifts severly as he wills. The Bible says the prayer of faith will save the sick and God will raise him up. All Christians have faith and it is impossible to please God without it but some people just don't realize what God wants to and can do through them if they yield their members as instruments of God for his use. No one heals,its God moving through them. One must yield themselves completely to God to see him use tham. They must be faith walking Christians believing whatsoever they ask God for in faith God will answer.
---Darlene_1 on 8/18/11


From my research I can not find anywhere in the Bible where someone had the gift of healing without otherwise being a minister of some sort or fashion.

And when I say minister I mean called to be in the five fold ministry or relating to.


Every time you find Jesus giving the authority to heal it is due to Him commissioning ministers to go Preach the Gospel and heal as well.

Any insight into this?

Paul
---paul on 8/18/11


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