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How can a Christian today make use of the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ?

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MarkV, JW believe Jesus is michael the Archangel CREATED by God as one of the sons of God. WILL you stop lying and calling the Only Begotten Son conceived of the virgin Mary a created son. That is blasphemy on your part.

And your continuing twisting and lying only show who your father really is.

You know you are lying and twisting the trugh about Jesus, the ONLY Begotten of the Father. Begotten is opposite of created.

How DAFT are you anyway? OR are you just plain evil calling His Begotten Son through Mary a created son.Is this who you deny is His Only Begotten Son, the one Conceived of the Virgin MAry?

It sure sounds like it. AMAZING!
---kathr4453 on 9/5/11


Mankind:adam-Formed[Bara] from adamah
[Bara]- something made from something else.
Eve[From Adam]-life-springs forth Mother of All living who through Christ,her blood descendent,all can have Timeless existence with YHvh.Gen 3:20
Atonement covers-But-Forgiveness cleanses/removes-by the blood] "lifts up"
The Resurrection Conquered Death.Heb2:14
Sin has No Power over the move of Holy Spirit [God confirming His Word]
Rom3(all)
21 [But Now] the righteousness of God without the law is manifested... 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto [all and upon all them that believe]: for there is no difference:

Rom10:9-10 Name "Y'shua" defined:

'Jehovah (God) savior'
---char on 9/5/11


Markv, I knew after I posted that you would take the LOW road. I said in human understanding, as to CHOICE, of life and death, not that Michael is Jesus Christ. Angels hve no Blood MarkV, and Angels cannot die and rise again. But knowing you have no deep personal application of 1st Cor 13, and lie always thinking EVIL where there is none, shows the Love of God is not in you.

YYou know very well, I do not believe Jesus is created, yet teh Jesus Christ I believe in YOU DON"T. I believe the WORD who IS GOD was made Flesh, conceived of the Virgin Mary, is who died for my sin.

YOU DON"T.


---kathr4453 on 9/5/11


The WORD who was with God in the Beginning who Was God, is the One MarkV does not believe in.

We need to bring our thought into the total obedience of God's WORD, not our own or someone elses.

John 1 tells us exactly WHO was made flesh

1 John 1:1 absolutely CONFIRMS saying they handled THE WORD OF LIFE

Oh Father How I love your WORD
And WHO the WORD would be,
I know the WORD is Your own Son,
And I know He lives in me.

Oh Jesus, I do Love you,
And this one thing I know,
It's not from our head knowledge,
that your Life in us will Grow.

It's faith in our Lord Jesus,
From the Heart we open wide,
To let Him in forever more,
And there with Him Abide!
---kathr4453 on 9/5/11


MarkV,

Why do you bear false witness against another believer?

I do not see kathr ever saying she believed Jesus was created. Begotten is the opposite of created. Her faith is in the only begotten of the Father.

Jesus died not only for our sin markv, but the sin of the whole world. To reject this truth and deny it, is to also bear false witness against God, calling Him a liar.

I think we've all have quite enough of your outbursts on line here.

Take some time off, and get alone with the Word and He will restore to you the joy of your salvation. It appears you have lost that joy. We lose that joy in the Lord when we lose touch with God and His Word.
---James on 9/5/11




Are some created for The[Exclusive purpose of perishing?]---No.
If one follows satan will they perish?---Yes.

Only those who Do Not Confess Y'shua-[Word of God].
Hasatan is death If followed-Rev20:14-Atonement covers-But-Forgiveness "lifts off" Removes sin.
God provided The Way for All His children to be saved.
Jn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him [should not perish], but have everlasting life.

Opportunity for salvation comes First.[Day of Deliverance]
But, If Christ is rejected--they perish in the day of Vengeance.Is 61,Lk 4:17-19,Rev21:8

Deliverance is For Those who call upon the Name Y'shua['Jehovah (God)savior'].Rev 2:16-17
---char on 9/5/11


The implication was that if Jesus died for everyone (as most of us believe) and some still go to hell that his blood cant save anyone. The blood of Jesus Christ is not applied to a man until he comes to faith.

Faith gives us access to the grace in which we now stand (Romans 5:2) Im sure the Holy Spirit felt it was necessary to lead Paul to write that just to clear up any confusion. Just as He also felt it was important to mention in Hebrews that we can indeed harden ourselves to his voice and not believe the truth
---CraigA on 9/5/11


//The Blood is certainly there for one to choose life,---kathr4453 on 9/5/11//

I agree with this--Amen.
My understanding...
Blood is found in mankind-[adam formed from adamah].
Not is the spirit.

In the day The Creator created, it was for the purpose of His pleasure.
Job38:7,When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy...
Rev4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created
1 Jn 1:7
Mk 15:38
And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
Top-From Heaven
To Earth-Bottom
The Path between is Y'shua.
One God-different dimensions.
cont'
---char on 9/5/11


Deliverance For Those who call upon the Name Y'shua.
Defined: 'Jehovah (God)savior'.Rev 2:16-17
The Hebrew letter beyt represents this and is primarily associated with the Son of God [ben elohim).
When the name for father (av) is combined with the word for son (ben) we have the Hebrew word (even). In Hebrew this means [stone].
[Even] Ma'asu is the "Rejected Stone".
The Pictograph for Beyt is the Tent/House-the meaning is "In".

The Creators intention of abiding [within] the realm of creation.Father to those who believe His Word Housed within.
"In" beginning was the Word
Jn1:1-2,Gen1:1,Heb3:4
The Head of the house of creation is Y'shua.
Jn1:14(Beyt-El) the habitation of God Almighty
---char on 9/5/11


Mark, we've been thru this many times and youve already made your position known to everyone here. Your faith (though you may not want to hear it) lies in an election and not in Jesus Christ.

You even quoted yourself that you believe men are saved and that WHY they come to faith in Jesus Christ. That is salvation before faith in Christ. That shows favoritism from God and is something denied by scripture more than once.
---CraigA on 9/5/11




Kathr, Of course it reminds you of the Jehovah Witnesses, you teach what they teach concerning the created son of God. How can you forget?
If you have Scripture to give for your opinions go ahead. I will answer you just like I answer them.
---Mark_V. on 9/5/11


So the question is, WHY is anyone going to Hell,
1) because God forordained many to hell? Which says Jesus was never available to those who were forordained to hell.

2) Because Jesus was there all along, but man refused to place his faith in the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father where anyone could find eternal life/forgiveness, based on His Blood already shed and abailable.John 3:16

In Human understanding,
It reminds me of the JW who refuse blood transfusions. The Blood is certainly there for one to choose life, however they personally chose death, although blood was available.
---kathr4453 on 9/5/11


John MacArthur keeps saying that the "bleeding" itself is only symbolic of the death of Christ. Well Mr. MacArthur, the blood that Jesus shed was just as real as His death. When the death angel came over Egypt in Moses day, the blood had to be applied to the doorposts of the home or else the firstborn died. Killing the lamb wasn't enough, the blood HAD TO BE APPLIED. John MacArthur is a heretic for DIMINISHING the importance and necessity of the literal shed (and applied) blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus had to apply His shed blood in heaven on the mercy seat, just as the Old Testament high priest had to apply the blood in the holy of holies, and that blood is applied to those who place their faith in Him..
---kathr4453 on 9/5/11


Craig, Christan did not say the blood of Christ was weak. I don't know how you could come out with that. How can you be an honest Christian and say that is what he said?
To say that Christ atonement covered the whole world is wrong. It does not cover those who do not have faith. If it did no one would go to hell. So it is limited to those who have faith in Him.
If those who are in hell had been covered by the blood of Christ, God would be punishing them for nothing. Since their sins would have been forgiven. God is not an unjust God.
---Mark_V. on 9/5/11


----Blasphemy comes into play when one declares that the blood of Christ is shed for everyone (the whole world) and yet multitudes will enter hell. What this devilish doctrine means is the blood of Christ couldn't save, which is IMPOSSIBLE!--Christan

For you, Paul.

It wasnt me who suggested it.
---CraigA on 9/5/11


Ez18:4Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

No sin is greater then the power of the Resurrection.
Atoned-covered(by the death and merit of a substitued sacrifice).
But Forgiveness- taken up and carried away complete made clean.(Remission)

Mercy seat-propitiation
Rom3:23-31(all)
For [all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God], Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God...
cont'
---char on 9/5/11


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The Atonement is sufficient to save the whole world, but is conditioned only to those who place their faith in the works of Christ on the cross. So the Atonement is limited to those people only. If the Atonement covered everyone, then no one would go to hell. And as we know many are heading there already. Heretics especially since they speak against the eternal Son of God.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/11


Craig

What are you talking about, no one has said that the Blood of Christ is weak.

How can you even think such a thing, the Blood is shed for ALL men and whosoever calls upon the Lord will be saved, that you can count on.

Whether they are saved or not has nothing to do with the ability of the Blood of Christ but rather with the obedience of man to utilize its benefits.

Thats like saying people are starving because Gods planet doesn't yield enough food to sustain them or that Job lost everything because God could not keep him.

Thats like the ideology that says that one cant backslide because Christ would have to be crucified again for their sins.

Ridiculous


Paul
---paul on 9/4/11


--Blasphemy comes into play when one declares that the blood of Christ is shed for everyone (the whole world) and yet multitudes will enter hell. What this devilish doctrine means is the blood of Christ couldn't save, which is IMPOSSIBLE!-- Christan

Whether or not you are under grace is determined by whether or not you exercise faith! Even scripture says so (Romans 5:2).

Scripture also warns men in Hebrews of the dangers of sticking to Judaism and rejecting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on their behalf. Proving that it IS possible to deny the blood of Christ even though it was shed for you (Heb 10:29)
---CraigA on 9/4/11


YHvh is Timeless:[He Is]The beginnng and end of All thimgs.
Whosoever:
Jn 3:15
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

The purpose of Christ-Word in flesh-is to provide " The way" Path unto timeless existance with YHvah.

God is love.
The Blood of the lamb speaks covenant. The sacrifies is without flaw.
Blood for the lamb-Barah H 1262 Meaning to select the choicest meat.
Just as the animal of the sacrifice was cut in two pieces, Israel was also cut in two for their unfaithfulness to the covenant by being cut into two nationsIsrael and Judah.
The two sticks will be joined.
As witness for [all to see] the true love and forgiveness of God.Lk24:47
---char on 9/4/11


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//The elect stood/stand-have already been justified before the foundation of [This World]Rom8:30
The Elect-out of slumber? See.
Those not chosen? Are witnessed to-Forgiveness-.//

Are we all Israel?
Are we all the tribe of Judah?
No.

YHvh speaks forgiveness to His Wife-New Bride no longer termed Forsaken Is54:5-8

Who sees this Love?
All mankind-
All souls belong to Him--regardless.Ez18:4
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: [and the kings of the earth] do bring their glory and honor into it.

All nations-whomsoever.
---char on 9/4/11


Heavens declare His Glory Ps 19-YHvh is Timeless-The beginning and End of [all things]
Rom 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,even his eternal power and Godhead,so that they are without excuse:
Rev 12:4 and his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was.
[Not Bow to Baal]1Kg19:18

This World inhabits He children Ez18:4 chosen-called- whomsoever
Jn3:15 God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
---char on 9/4/11


Christan WHERE you falter is this. Just because Jesus shed His Blood for ALL, does not mean ALL will go to heaven automatically. If that were true thenn NO FAITH would be needed by individual sinners to place their faith in Jesus Christ. Faith would not be necessary.
---kathr4453 on 9/4/11


YHvh is Timeless-Ps 19
"Foreknew"[times past] Rom 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I lov[ed], but Esau have I hat[ed].
Rom 11:1-8
say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
God hath not cast away his people
[Which He Foreknew]
But what saith the answer of God unto him?
I Have Reserved to Myself Seven Thousand men,

[Who Have Not Bowed The Knee to the Image of Baal].

Even so then at [This Present Time Also] there is a
[Remnant according to the Election of grace].
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace...
[He is]the Beginning and end of [all thing]
cont'
---char on 9/4/11


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Romans 3:24-26


24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,

26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


Christan, are you saying your faith was in HOPES you were one of the luchy few whos' sins were atoned for? If it limited, how can you be sure yours are forgiven.

Just as whe JW only have 144,ooo who will be saved, more than 144,000 will be saved. Limited anything is a CULT!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/4/11


The GOSPEL since the CROSS , you are NOT told to first cease being ungodly and then believe, but AS UNGODLY TO BELIEVE.

And SOOOOO sorry Christan, the covenant of a BLOOD sacrifice was first established not with Israel, but Adam & Eve, where we see Abel OBEYED, and Cain did not.

AND dear sweet misleadr Christan, THE PASSOVER was long before any LAW and Priesthood was established in the Wilderness.

JOB Sacrificed. Job was not ISRAEL, or even a Jew.

Please get your facts right before speaking.
---kathr4453 on 9/4/11


Gal 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.


Here is the Gospel preached to Abraham long before even circumcision. Was this Gospel DIFFERENT than what God preached to and through Moses? How then could Moses have suffered the reproach OF CHRIST? Heb 11.

The Calvin gospel is not based on OT, but on Gnosticism. That's why only a few see what they see, but those who Come to God through Christ, the One of Scripture, the One extablished in Genesis 3:15, revealed to Abraham, Established through Moses and FULFILLED at Calvary is the ONLY GOSPEL with which one can find salvation.

John 3:14-17
---kathr4453 on 9/4/11


Y'hvh is timeless.
He is the beginning and end of [all things].
The Heavens declare His glory [His Witness]Ps 19

[In the day] God created His children all were in Harmony.Job38:7

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was.

YHvh [Foreknew] those who stood for him:
[The Elect-Predestined before the Foundation of This World].
Rom8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

His Word already established it..
cont'
---char on 9/4/11


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God commanded only Israel (which was a shadow of the spiritual church of the body of Christ today, His people) to sacrifice an unblemished lamb (which was a shadow of the Lord Jesus Christ). This atonement made was particular only for Israel (which today has found its fulfilment in the Christian).

Blasphemy comes into play when one declares that the blood of Christ is shed for everyone (the whole world) and yet multitudes will enter hell. What this devilish doctrine means is the blood of Christ couldn't save, which is IMPOSSIBLE!

Truth be told, Christ's blood was shed for only His people, the elect of God - whom He loved before the foundation of the world and specifically died for.
---christan on 9/4/11


"Judas partook of the Divine Eucharist (John 13), therefore either your interpretation of John 6 or your conclusion is faulty" (Micha9344)

Not at all. Read what our Beloved Saint Paul wrote (1 Cor 11:17-34). Those who partake of the Divine Eucharist with a evil heart or not examining the Lord's Body will receive sickness and death rather than life. Just like water can be both life and death.

"The thief on the cross did not partake [....]"

Of course. He also didn't believed in the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ for salvation under the New Covenant.

"Eternal life does not hinge on the Eucharist."

You believe that if you want. I will believe God's word.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/4/11


Kathr, you've got to get free will out of your mind. There is no free will. God has free will, you don't. Can a person come to Christ with no faith, no contrite heart, blind, deaf, and no spiritual understanding? No. When the Spirit brings you alive to Christ by the Word, you will see Christ, You will feel remorse for you rebellion against Him, you will believe the gospel truth, and guess what? You will ask for forgiveness for your rebellion, and confess Christ as your Savior.
In your lost condition, blind and deaf, with no love for Christ you will never come. If you could then you would have salvation by your own works. The reason so many reject the gospel Truth. They have to be made willing.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/11


Over 2000 years ago Jesus Shed his blood for the sin of the whole world. THAT included me, you and all. BECAUSE of that shed blood my sin is forgiven, not because I begged for it, but because I placed my Faith in the one who FREELY offers forgivness to those who place their faith in Jesus Christ. Does not scripture say faith in His Blood? Without the shedding of blood there is no forgivess of sin. SALVATION is forgivness of sin. He shed His blood once and for ALL. NO MORE year after year after year to be covered by an animals blood, but HIS BLOOD was ONCE and for all.

To say only certain select people are allowed to see this truth is WRONG. The day of atonement was never kept a secret. The Lamb of God was not slain in secret.
---kathr4453 on 9/3/11


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MarkV, no one has to BEG for Salvation. That's works. You worked for your salvation.

As to My salvation, YOU know nothing about personally, except in your underhanded fabricated imagination.

I can of coarse see one begging for mercy after salvation like if one committed adultry and got caught, was about to be divorced, or something like that.

But no one need BEG for mercy/Salvation in order to be saved. I believe the prerequisite is to repent and believe. Repend does not mean BEG, it means to TURN....do you have a dictionary?

Acts, What must we do to be saved, NO WHERE does Peter say,,, BEG and then maybe God will Gift you with the faith to believe.

MarkV, there's no end to your list of fabrications.
---kathr4453 on 9/3/11


I begged for mercy after my salvation, I begged for mercy before I confessed Christ as my Savior. God, markV//

MarkV, no one is saved until they confess Christ as their savior.How can you possibly have salvation first without confessing Christ who is the Savior.

I'm not doubting your salvation Markv, just doubting your understanding of salvation. Those who BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus shall be saved. NOT those who are saved shall believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.Always teh cart before the horse with you.

Your own confusion has caused so much hurt and destruction to soo many others as you condemn others to hell. Satan is the Author of Confusion MarkV. STOP letting him work for himself through you.
---kathr4453 on 9/3/11


-- You had no faith before, and no repentance. You just said the words "Lord come into my heart" and suddenly everything was given to you. ---MarkV

She asked him to come into her heart to save her from her sins because she had a repentant heart. I dont understand where the confusion is here. This is what God requires of us.

She became alive the moment Jesus Christ came into her heart.

Youre leaving out the most important thing, Mark. We must agree with the calling of the Holy Spirit. The call to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
---CraigA on 9/3/11


Judas partook of the Divine Eucharist (John 13), therefore either your interpretation of John 6 or your conclusion is faulty.
Not everyone who partakes of the Eucharist has eternal life.
The thief on the cross did not partake, yet he is with Christ in paradise.
Eternal life does not hinge on the Eucharist.
---micha9344 on 9/3/11


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Jesus purchased a Kingdom with His blood. Rev. 5:9-10. In order to make use of the blood of Jesus Christ we have to enter into his Kingdom. John 10:1-42. To enter the Kingdom of God we must keep the ten commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. Rev. 12:17. The testimony of Jesus is the words He spoke and the lessons He taught and NOT the words or teachings of anyone else. John 18:37.

We cannot even see the Kingdom of God unless we are in it. John 3:3. We must be born of the Holy Spirit John 3:5. Rev. 12.
---barb on 9/3/11


By partaking in the Divine Eucharist, the Most Holy Body and Blood of Christ. If you don't, you have no Life says the Lord (John 6:40-66).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/3/11


leej, The Eternal Sonship doctrine bleieves that the Son was GENERATED(menaing PROCREATEd) from the beginning as His Only Begotten Son, placing His begottenness in eternity past.

Anyone can look it up . Also there are many who dispute this, and THIS IS EXACTLY what they are disputing.

leej, maybe YOU just weren't aware of this doctrine. But knowing you hold to the WCF, full of errors you fail to see, maybe even if you did see it, you would then bow down and agree.

Also stating on another blog that Salvation in the NT could not be established in the OT, meaning Salvation is NOT if the Jews but by Calvinists would sound about right coming from you all, since Calvinism doesn't preach the true Gospel anyway..
---kathr4453 on 9/3/11


Isaiah 43:10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11I, even I am the LORD, and beside me there is no saviour.

Here is your First and Last, Your I AM, Our Savior,

No one was eternally "generated" herewhen Isaiah was written.


For God so loved the World, He Gave His Only Begotten Son conceived of the Virgin Mary, THE LAMB OF GOD who shed His Blood to take away the sin of the world.


This is what His TRUE Elect testify to. Romans 11:1-5
---kathr4453 on 9/3/11


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Kathr, when you say something about me please tell the Truth. I never said I begged for mercy after my salvation, I begged for mercy before I confessed Christ as my Savior. God, through the Holy Spirit made me alive to Christ through His Word, and gave me faith and repentance in order to believe and make a committment to Christ. You on the other hand said you got it all after you confessed Christ as your Savior. You had no faith before, and no repentance. You just said the words "Lord come into my heart" and suddenly everything was given to you. All by your own words. Your own works. In your case God never made you alive, you became alive after you said those wonderful words. Great.
---Mark_V. on 9/3/11


The blood of Jesus is and does much.
Just a few: The blood of the covenant, old vs new. Zech 9:11, Ex 12:13,Ex 24:8, Matt 26:28, Mk 14:24, 1 Cor 11:25, Heb 9:12, 9:20
It is life, and life is in it. Lev 17:11
It atones, Rom 3:25
It justifies, Rom 5:9
Redeems Eph 1:7
Brings us near (to God) Eph 2:13
Makes peace Col 1:2
Forgiveness Heb 9:22, 1 Pet 1:19, 1 Jn 1:7
Frees Rev 1:5
Purchases (us, for God) Rev 5:9
Washes Rev & :14, 12:11, 19:13
All these and more it has done, is doing and will do
---Chria9396 on 9/2/11


Kathr4453, YAHUSHUA says in JOHN 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is Born of the SPIRIT is Spirit." I suspect/believe that YAHUSHUA was conceived by the HOLY SPIRIT before the creation of the Earth sometime in Eternity Past. Both men and women were created in GOD's Image. Men after the Image of the Father and women in the Image of the Holy Spirit. The Son YAHUSHUA is of the Image of the Father. His Heart was of both the Father and the Holy Spirit. YAHUSHUA existed before the Beginning. Later He came in the Flesh as a Man. GOD is a Family of Three Divine Persons unified as ONE. The HUMAN FAMILY is patterned after the Image of the Triune GOD.
---Gordon on 9/2/11


kathr4453 //Who exactly did the Holy Spirit overshaddow from the beginning. Are you saying the Holy Spirit overshaddowed God's Bosom, and from there teh eternal son was begottenfrom the beginning?


You really should enroll in a good Systematic Theology course as it is clear you are so confused in your thinking.

Perhaps mere housewife should tend to their dusting instead of trying to prove that everyone else is heretical.

The only distinctions between the members of the Trinity are in the ways they relate to each other and to creation.
---leej on 9/2/11


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'Begotten' means 'brought forth' as in born.
Conception is prior.
God, knowing all, did not need to conceive His Word.
His Word was always with Him.
His Word was begotten, brought forth, when the world began, 'And God said, let there be Light'.
God always had His Son, He was not created, nor conceived.
God begot (brought forth) His Son to be the light unto mankind.
God sent forth His Son into the world, born of a virgin.
Everpresent with God.
Begotten, but not concieved, as the Word.
Conceived of the Holy Spirt and born as a man.
The Word of God made flesh.
---micha9344 on 9/2/11


Kathr4453
are you saying Christ is not begotten, before he was revealed
Christ is not eternally begotten,
or christ isnot eternal
to know what your ideas are

CHRIST KURIOS
---andy3996 on 9/2/11


Gordon, when reading the doctrine of the eternal sonship make sure you read ALL, and not just parts. The eternal sonship doctrine cleaarly states Jesus was eternally BEGOTTEN from the beginning.
So to be BEGOTTEN from the Beginning, begotten meaning CONCEIVED, we must ask, conceived of what and who?

Who exactly did the Holy Spirit overshaddow from the beginning. Are you saying the Holy Spirit overshaddowed God's Bosom, and from there teh eternal son was begottenfrom the beginning?

---kathr4453 on 9/2/11


Kathr4453, YAHUSHUA's Name means "YAHUVEH saves". YAHUVEH is God, the Father of YAHUSHUA. The Name "JESUS" is Anointed for NOW. But, the Son of GOD was born a Hebrew, not a Greek. Now, JOHN 1:1 says "In the Beginning was the Word (YAHUSHUA), and the Word was WITH GOD, and the Word was God." JOHN 1:10 "He was in World, and the World WAS MADE BY HIM (YAHUSHUA), and the world knew Him not." JOHN 1:14 "And the Word (YAHUSHUA) was MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His Glory, the Glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father), full of Grace and Truth." YAHUSHUA existed from the Beginning, and LATER IN TIME, He took upon Himself a Human Fleshly Body fit for Sacrifice.
---Gordon on 9/2/11


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the RCC for eternal life. Scripture never mentions that Christ gave His blood to anyone. Mark V

Scripture disagree with you:

"This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."(Matt 26:28)

In fact he told them to "drink it, all of you"

Was his blood the New Covenant for the forgiviness of sins or not?
---Ruben on 9/2/11


No Gordon, there are no scriptures that "THE WORD" was an eternal begotten son before His incarnation. I know you like to use the scripture Jesus is the same yesterday today and tomorrow tp prove this but I believe you have taken out of context here to prove Jesus was eternally begotten from the beginning.

If that were so, Jesus then in your description was Always Fully God Fully Man from the beginning. We know that of Him TODAY. And you say HE was the same YESTERDAY meaning from the beginning.

You see, the more you all take scripture out of context the WORSE it gets!

It just doesn't wash with Hebrrews 1-2


---kathr4453 on 9/2/11


Kathr4453, You did not read my comments very well at all. Why not take the time to go back and RE-READ them. I am the one between the two of us who is declaring that the Son of GOD existed from the Beginning in Eternity Past. YOU'RE the one who has been denying that the Son of GOD, Who is the "Word" of JOHN 1, existed in the Beginning with GOD and became the Messiah/Saviour born of the Virgin Mary (Miriam). The One Who was promised to come, as recorded in ISAIAH 9:6, is both "the Word" of JOHN 1, and the Son of GOD born of Mary in the Gospels. You do not believe that GOD is not Big and Powerful enough to accomplish such a thing? To believe otherwise is heresy.
---Gordon on 9/2/11


Markv, I asked the Lord last night "Lord, is it alright with YOU that I believe you are the WORD who was made flesh. And GUESS WHAT MarkV, The Lord said YES, and He said "You're also SAVED an never lost your salvation either"

So Markv, stop adding to the long legalistic list of the do's and don't of what one MUST believe in order to be saved.

Do I believe the Word is GOD..Yes,
Do I believe in the Triune God, YES
Do I believe in the Deity of Christ YES
Do I believe Jesus was made SIN for me...YES.
Do I believe Jesus died and rose again YES.

So stop trying to DICTATE my Personal relationship/faith with the Lord. Who appointed YOU overseer?The RCC?OH Oh, am I going to get burned at the stake?
---kathr4453 on 9/2/11


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Again mima, here you are getting a taste of MarkV TWISTING your very simple statement and making a federal case out of his own conjered up imaginary issues.

mima is not RCC MarkV.

And since markv YOU had to BEG for mercy after your salvation, on what GROUNDS then were you given MERCY? Is it because MERCY can only be given through the BLOOD? YES!(you believe it's given by A majic wand)...

1st John 1:6-7 states we are continually being cleansed by His Blood IF we are in the Light as He is in the Light.

AND exactly where is the Mercy seat today?

YOU'RE IN THE DARK MARKV AND WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THESE TRUTHS.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/11


Kathr, worth repeating,
Again you made a remark that the only begotten Son died which is false when you said,
" But NO WHERE does it say in scripture you must believe there was an eternal Son who became the Begotten son who died for our sin, and rose again for our justification and is the eternal GOD."

I never said that, for the only Begotten Son of God did not die, He is God in nature. He has been the Son from everlasting. He did not become the Son at any time. That is a heretical statement. For the Father has always been the Father He did not become the Father at Jesus birth. What you suggest is that both became what they are in time. More false teachings.
---Mark_V. on 9/1/11


Mima, Christan is right. The use of words is very important. You said,
"christan Jesus Christ gave his blood for you and I. His glorified body is without his blood. In his glorified State he has no need of blood."
Jesus did not go around giving His literal blood. Who did He give it to? In these case you would support the eating of blood by the RCC for eternal life. Scripture never mentions that Christ gave His blood to anyone. It is not a commodity. He died for your sins. He spilled His blood means He sacrificed Himself for you. The shedding of blood was a symbol of sacrifice, important all the way from Genesis. In Rom. 5:9 "by His blood" means through His violent substitutionary death.
---Mark_V. on 9/1/11


If the eternal Father is not bound by time, neither is His eternal begotten Word, who humbled Himself, became flesh, being born of a virgin, named Yashua, as if the Father didn't know His name from eternity past, lived as a perfect example, and died for our sins, and not only ours, but the sins of the whole world, rose again the third day as proof of the everlasting covenant between God and His people, ascended back to heaven in His glorified body and is making intercession for us so that we may be called the children of God by our faith in who He is and His promises.
---micha9344 on 9/1/11


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Seeing as the blood of Jesus was shed for our sin, the best " use of his blood" is not to take sin lightly.
be obedient to the commandment of God, Seek immediate forgiveness for sin, repent from all sin, and hide the word of God in your heart that you may not sin sgainst him.
---Francis on 9/1/11


Gordon, no one is arguing that the WORD was with God from the beginning except you. Did you not look up those scriptures I posted in Isaiah?

JOSHUA YAHUSHUA, MEAN Savior , not eternal Son or LOGOS. You shall call his name JESUS, for He shalll SAVE His People from theri sin.

Emanuel means GOD with us.

Please prove through Isaiah 9:6 , referring to the promise of Jesus Christ/Messiah that the preexisting eternal begotten is even remotely mentioned, unless you believe the Son is and will always be an eternal child.

Isaiah 7,14-16. The Son was conceived of a virgin.

If the Son was a Son in eternity Past, and again a Son through the virgin Birth,was He not technically God's Grandson then?
---kathr4453 on 9/1/11


Kathr4453, GOD is Three Persons in ONE. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. YAHUSHUA is the Son (of GOD) Who came in the Flesh. He is God Who came as a Man in Flesh-and-Blood. So, I testify before you that YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST) is God of very GOD Who has come in the Flesh as a Man to be the Lamb of Sacrifice for whosoever will. YAHUSHUA existed from the Beginning, yet GOD has no beginning, HE is the Eternal ONE. JOHN 1 testifies that YAHUSHUA is God in the Flesh.
---Gordon on 9/1/11


Gordon, the doctrine of the eternal sonship or eteral generation of the son was formed and develped by the RCC. Augustine a gnostic. Along with doing so they NEVER really established the Deity of the Person of the Holy Spirit..WOOPS!
All sons of God were created. the Angels and Adam. The Son could not have been eternally begotten from the beginning and still be eternal from the beginning. TODAY have I begotten thee, designates a time and place in history. He was begotten the day Mary conceived. He was the WORD before that.

If He were eternally begotten, as the eternal sonship doctrine teaches, then with what or who did this CONCEPTION take place. There are NO generations of God.

---kathr4453 on 9/1/11


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---christan Jesus Christ gave his blood for you and I. His glorified body is without his blood. In his glorified State he has no need of blood. So his blood is today in heaven,(I believe on the mercy seat in heaven) there to be made use of by you and I.
---mima on 9/1/11


well here we go mima, someone who wants to take your words and diminish them. Christan, I do believe those who have been bought, purged, and cleansed know what mima means.

Just as those who are Born again of THE WORD OF GOD, have a deeper understanding of WORD than those who want to make an academic argument.

NO, the Blood is not for sale, and mima never suggested it is.

Sounds like the Blood has totallay lost it's power in your life!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/1/11


"How can a Christian today make use of the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ?"

Since when did the blood of Jesus Christ became a piece of commodity for the wretched man to do as he please? Is Christ's blood on sale at the nearest supermarket? If you're a Christian, you had better know this,

Hebrews 9:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood, and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Do not make light of the blood of Christ if you call yourself a Christian.
---christan on 9/1/11


I Timothy 3:16 which reads, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: ,God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Gordon, I believe in John 1 the LOGOS was made flesh.

ISAIAH 43:10-11 seem to testify to that as well. And Isaiah 44:6-8, and Rev 1:8

How many "I AM"'s OR Beginnings and Ends AND Saviors ARE THERE. I say ONE!

Why are you all arguing that the WORD/LOGOS was not God?

Isn't that the real issue here? You deny GOD came in the flesh!

Idon't care if you are JW, RCC, Mormon or CAlvinist. THE SAME truth applies to ALL.
---kathr4453 on 9/1/11


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KATHR4453, Take a Bible and open it up and read JOHN 1:1-5, JOHN 1:10-12, and JOHN 1:12 and JOHN 1:14! There it says YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST) was in the Beginning with GOD. He was (and is) the "Word". And that "Word" came to the World in Flesh and dwelt among men. The Son of GOD existed from the Beginning with GOD and came later on in History to the Earth as a Man. There is your Scripture of Proof you laid down the gauntlet for.
---Gordon on 9/1/11


A person can only overcome by the True Jesus Christ blood spoken of by the Bible.
Any other Jesus blood is no good. No angels blood, no created Christ.
Only by the blood of the True Christ. The Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Unitarians, Muslims, Budda's, jesus is not the one from Scripture. No matter how religious it sounds.
People talk and talk about Jesus Christ, but there is no eternal Son of God in their hearts but a created being.
---Mark_V. on 9/1/11


Mima, I just want to thank you for all these years you've been on here, and all the wonderful thought provoing questions you ask on so many of these threads.

Yes, we are kindred spirits, and I really enjoy the deep spiritual questions you ask here. You're such a gentleman Mima, and I have a lot to learn there from you. You have been a great example to me.

Keep up the good work!
In Christ!! Kat
---kathr4453 on 9/1/11


---kathr4453 I have always enjoyed your posts. When you post I'm able to see your throughs and gain the insight that you have. Knowing that you and I have kindred spirits it should come as no surprise that many of our thoughts are very similar. I blog about the blood of Jesus Christ in hopes of arousing others' interest.
---mima on 8/31/11


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mina, what a great discussion. It's like a bottomless well of truths who's truths cannot be reached.

One thing too is we have been purchased by His Blood. So anytime satan comes to hurrass, or sends his messengers to spiritually abuse, OH you bet we overcome those who would try to inflict such nonsense. Just as Israel put the blood over the doorpost, we have something even better...HIS BLOOD, and everything HIS BLOOD speaks. Better things than that of Abel's blood, who's blod cried out for vengence. The blood of Jesus Christ cries out PEACE with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Don't let spiritual abusers accuse you night and day, OVERCOME through the Blood of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 8/31/11


"Our words of testimony should be what the blood has done for us according to scripture." Hidden in this statement by Ricky is a mystery. Revelation 12:11,

"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death." The mystery involves our praising and meditating on the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. When we do so we will bring about a manifestation of the Spirit. Why? Because the Spirit witnesses to the blood. I urge you to read this blog carefully as I have not done a great job in presenting it.
---mima on 8/30/11


#1 we must all know what the blood of Jesus has, is, & can do for each of us.

We have redemption & forgiveness through His blood. (Ephesians 1:7, Colossians 1:14, Hebrews 9:12, Revelation 1:5)

We must know what we've been redeemed from...the curse of the law. (Galatians 3:13, Deut. 28)

We can plead the blood of Jesus over situations, etc. In Exodus 12:7-13, they were told to put blood on the door posts for protection. They had temporal blood, but we have the eternal blood of Jesus. They had animals, but we have the Alpha & Omega!:-)
---Rickey on 8/30/11


We have been redeemed, bought back, & recovered through His blood. (Ephesians 1:7)

We've been bought back from sickness, poverty, & spiritual death. (Galatians 3:13, Deut. 28) We should confess/plead the blood of Jesus over our bodies, finances, etc. We overcome via the blood of Jesus and the words of our testimony. (Revelation 12:11)
Our words of testimony should be what the blood has done for us according to scripture.

The blood of Jesus is our seal of approval . It is also our weapon of warfare.
So the blood Jesus is a weapon and a seal/evidence of the covenant.

We are also to remind/praise God of what He has promised us through the blood of Jesus.
---Rickey on 8/30/11


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Cluny, the most imediate way is salvation, and the most visible way (proof participation) is the eucharist. just to make sure that they understand
---andreas on 8/30/11


And of course they will not!

"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."(JHN 6:54)
---Ruben on 8/30/11


Cluny, the most imediate way is salvation, and the most visible way (proof participation) is the eucharist. just to make sure that they understand
---andreas on 8/30/11


Would you be free from the burden of sin?
Theres powr in the blood, powr in the blood,
Would you oer evil a victory win?
Theres wonderful powr in the blood.
Refrain:

Would you be free from your passion and pride?
Theres powr in the blood, powr in the blood,
Come for a cleansing to Calvarys tide,
Theres wonderful powr in the blood.
Would you be whiter, much whiter than snow?
Theres powr in the blood, powr in the blood,
Sin-stains are lost in its life-giving flow,
Theres wonderful powr in the blood.
Would you do service for Jesus your King?
Theres powr in the blood, powr in the blood,
Would you live daily His praises to sing?
Theres wonderful powr in the blood.
---leej on 8/29/11


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