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Why Should Pastors Get Paid

If the gospel is FREE then why should pastors get paid? Those who preach the gospel like Sunday School teachers or Christians (non-pastors) do not ask for money after they preach the gospel.

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\\We shouldn't trust any mans teaching.\\

Then why should we trust yours?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/7/11


i have not recieved a paycheck since 2004,i came to the realization that if the Grace of God is suffecient?it is....
getting a lil spare change is not worth a flaw in our testimony...
So if God's Grace is sufficient for us,why not the Preacher also?
are we not called to be free of the things of the world? is not time,money and property,things of the world?
---kevin5443 on 9/7/11


Being a pastor is a full time job. Most pastors work 80 or more hours per week. Such as the sunday school teacher or non pastors work once a week for approximately an hour....study time before sunday is probably closer to 2 or 3 hours at the most.
---shira3877 on 9/7/11


Ignatius:
Your argument for your church's alleged authority and trusting in teachers within it suggests you really don't like 1John2:27 where God says we have "NO NEED that any man teach us....".

The Holy Spirit is the best teacher.
As for man we have to be wary as scripture tells us there are wolves in sheeps clothing. the blind leading the blind, etc.

We shouldn't trust any mans teaching. When you hear a message (even here on CN) always check it out in His word to confirm it.

Instead of just accusing others of taking scripture out of context I suggest in future actually explaining what you believe the context is, if you think you know it.
We have nothing to fear from the truth of God's word.
---Haz27 on 9/6/11


Ignatius, what you said is great but
PETER PAUL THE FIRST apostles where did they refute the old testament? i agree completely that all those are called to teach do have revelation power to exhort the believer. but the book they need to teach from is the bible. as i always say if the bible neither confirms or denies we may entertain it,
if the bible confirms we have to obey it, if the bible denies we are obliged to reject it. as simple as that.
---andy3996 on 9/6/11




"It almost seems like RCC and Orthodox feel threatened by the Holy Spirit teaching us 1John2:27 " (Haz27)

I don't feel threatened. But the fact remains that you taking a Scripture out of context. By the way, why are you here "teaching" us if all we need is the Bible?

God sent men who have teaching authority within the Apostolic Church (Acts 13:1). Saint Paul recognized teachers as gifts of God to the Church (1 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11). This authority has transfer to successors of the Holy Apostles (1 Tim. 5:22, 2 Tim. 1:6, 2 Tim. 2:2, Titus 1:5). These teachers are given by the Lord to help us correctly understand and obey Holy Scripture. Saint Peter also recognized the Clergy (1 Peter 5:5).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/6/11


Ignatius:
To answer your question regarding the only scripture you quoted, 1John, what makes you think he was teaching Christians?

Read 1John1 from the beginning and note its evangelical context. It is declaring eternal life so others also can have fellowship with the Father.

I suspect you think 1John1:8 refers to Christians so I ask you what is the "sin" it speaks of here?
And if you think it refers to Christians then that would contradict 1John3:6-9 which says we "CANNOT sin" and anyone who does sin is "of the devil".
How do you deal with this?
---Haz27 on 9/6/11


andy3996:

I was implying that exactly (without giving chapter and verse). If someone feels called to televangelism, but gets so obessed with it that it ruins his marriage, then he is either missing his calling, or grossly misinterpreting it, since God wouldn't call someone to deliberately violate something God requires.
---StrongAxe on 9/6/11


Strongaxe, yes, that was him, Robert Tilton. He is a snake alright. I've seen him a few times on tv and one day I got a mail from his ministry, and in the evenlope was one penny. And I was to return my mail with one hundred. Some exchange. What will they think of next? I also heard that most of those from the Word of Faith went to the same school. I always wondered what they were taught. How to swindle people? I cannot understand how they can do what they do without a conscience. The worse part is that so many follow them.
---Mark_V. on 9/6/11


STRONGAXE: your now talking about persons who neglect 1tim3. as a rule our church does not allow divorcees in ministry.
secondly the wife needs to participate actively in church, this also as a rule (we take the example of Aquilla and his wife in acts)
one of our pastors desiring to abandon due to financial stress was rebuked by his wife, she said "so your willing to give up Christ over a little money". which made him to repent this falsehood<

guys your talking about preach against divorce but always end with the words "BUT MY CASE IS DIFFERENT". when i refered to my friends i was talking about true servants of God
---andy3996 on 9/5/11




Cluny:
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you would challenge my suggestion to Ignatius to keep only to scriptures.
Forums such as CN are full of suggestions bloggers give to each other.
You do so yourself, especially when it comes to pushing your brand of church.

I'm sure many here would agree that God's word is all we need to refer to instead of claims about historical authority of a church, tradition, church councils etc.

It almost seems like RCC and Orthodox feel threatened by the Holy Spirit teaching us 1John2:27

But we have a Father who we can come to in confidence.
---Haz27 on 9/5/11


"Ignatius:
Your welcome to join the discussion if you want. But try to keep to scriptures only." (Haz27)

Are you going to answer my questions?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/5/11


andy3996:

Many evangelists and megachurch pastors have ended up in divorce. God would never call someone to a job that required they be married and have a harmonious family life - only to have the stress of that job destroy that marriage and family. Either their calling was false, or they interpreted it wrong.

Mark_V.:

Do you mean Robert Tilton? Every time I saw him on TV, he seemed like a snake oil salesman. In 1991, ABC News did an expose on his ministry, where they found dumpsters full of subscriber mail. He told people to send in checks and prayer requests so they could be personally prayed over. But the checks were cashed and the requests thrown into the trash unread. (He said he prayed over them en masse - bad excuse!)
---StrongAxe on 9/5/11


Andy, I understand why you say what you do, because so many are reaping people off. And getting fat with the money people give for the cause of God, only it is for their own cause. I remember a guy name Tittleton, he spoke on tv once and said there was a fire at his house making it seems as if he lost everything and people wanted to help by praying for him and senting him money. This guy had two big mansions, and the one in Texas only his curtains had burned. But the people because of they felt sorry for him continued to sent him money for a long time. The story was on a documentary. The letters with prayers were found in a garbish can still in the evelopes and the money gone. Most of those word of faith guys, have their own jets.
---Mark_V. on 9/5/11


\\Your welcome to join the discussion if you want. But try to keep to scriptures only.\\

Haz27, who are you to tell Ignatius or anyone else what to say here, or how to say it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/5/11


Ignatius:
Your welcome to join the discussion if you want. But try to keep to scriptures only.
If your a fellow believer in Christ then Christ is your shepherd and Holy Spirit your teacher. Scripture confirms scripture so theres no need to turn to claims/doctrines outside the Bible to convince others here on CN. God's word is all we need.
---Haz27 on 9/5/11


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Strongaxe, IN Theory i agree with you that a minister making his family suffer financially to minister should give up, because that would be the most sensible thing to do. on the other hand a called minister cannot be at ease in his heart stopping ministrie. i have a few friends who gave up for financial reason, and everyone at the end ended up going back to their respective ministry. i only pray that people will open their eyes and stop giving for the wrong motives. much money entering the ministry isn't giving at all.
---andy3996 on 9/5/11


Well put Ignatius!
---Warwick on 9/5/11


Sunday school teachers and Christians witnessing to others don't spend ALL their time studying the Word and preparing sermons. Scripture teaches that a pastor is worthy of his "hire." Even full-time pastors need finaces to live on and support their family. The laws set forth for the temple give credance to the support of the workers in the temple or the house of God.
---tommy3007 on 9/5/11


Haz, I think you are on the wrong blog. Try another. Peace.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/11


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I see you refer often to Bible commentaries. Can I suggest avoiding them and let the Holy Spirit teach you 1John2:27, Eph4:21. (Haz27)

The Holy Spirit can lead you the Truth through the use of commentaries. By the way, do you ignore the Scriptures that teach that God ordained teachers within the Church? Do you ignore the Scriptures that the Holy Apostles told the Early Christians to follow all the teachings they were taught by them? How about the 1 John, when Saint John (a man) was teaching Christians? This is the reason why your personal interpretation is incorrect. It makes no sense.

As usual, you are taking 1 John 2:27 out of context and ignoring other Scriptures.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/4/11


Haz27,

By the way, following your personal interpretation, we do not need to listen to you. You should not continue to post here since we have no need to be taught by you. This is another reason why your interpretation is incorrect. Haz27 is just a mere mortal. We do not need him or her to teach us anything.......

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 9/4/11


Haz, a prudent person seeks the council of the more learned. And I cannot imagine why you believe I do not listen to the Holy Spirit.

Once again may I repeat: I have carefully, and repeatedly explained my position. Nonetheless you continue to misunderstand or misrepresent what I say.

I will leave it there.
---Warwick on 9/4/11


Warwick:
I see you refer often to Bible commentaries. Can I suggest avoiding them and let the Holy Spirit teach you 1John2:27, Eph4:21.

1Pet4:18 clearly distinguishes 2 groups. You are either righteous in Christ OR a sinner. You CANT be both.

What definition of sin do you use?
---Haz27 on 9/4/11


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hi, one of the saddest things,here bk say 1989 had a beautifull huge church(Lutheran) all races,peoples here actually ate,sang,break bread & had alot of fun there..Were lots for the kids & homeless,free clothes,then after one Sat. We found out the pastor said openly if he didn't get at least $36,000 it was Adios! lola!..Goodbye! & nope! He didn't get it... never been the same.Everybody loved him! had no idea of his distain & unhappiness.
---ELENA on 9/4/11


andy3996:

I think that comes with qualifications. If a pastor must choose between the two alternatives of not pastoring, or pastoring without pay (and as a result, having his own family life suffer), he should refuse.

A man's duty is to his family FIRST - because if a man doesn't honor his own family (a responsibility he had previously agreed to accept), how can he honor God? The qualifications for a bishop (i.e. congregational overseer) also spell this out.

I do agree that it's wrong if one's motives are purely mercenary - i.e. if the pastor has high salary demands or choses which congregation to lead based solely on how much money he can get.
---StrongAxe on 9/4/11


Kevin are you saying you would work full-time as a pastor without pay? Fair question.

Philippe, a friend of mine was full-time pastor (unpaid) of a church in Paris. To keep his family he had to have a night job. This lasted until he collapsed with mental and physical exhaustion. The church then had no pastor. I think it much better that any church have a paid pastor who can apply himself to tending his flock. This does not make him a 'hireling' as in your example as pastorship is a calling. Knowing what many pastors are paid, I cannot imagine anyone doing it for the money.
---Warwick on 9/4/11


Luk 10:7 .... "the labourer is worthy of his hire."...
---jerry6593 on 9/4/11


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Kevin, I believe many pastors can shepherd a church without pay. We had a part-time pastor shepherding our church for over three years. He is married and has a family, but lives about 50 miles from the church. He would come many times during the week also. What we decided to do was to pay him in order to keep him permanent. He was using his own money for gas and travel. We had lost our pastor and needed someone who knew Scripture. He gets paid but nothing much. I wish we could give him more money, because we don't want to lose him. He has a chance to shepherd a church in his home town but comes all the way to our church. Many do need the money and we should pay them for shepherding our churches. If they don't need the money they will say so.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/11


Kevin, try to refrase your statements
what you say sounds as if ANY paid pastor IS BAD pers, reading your blogs i see however that you probably meant
"ANY PASTOR who REFUSES to minister without pay is a false pastor" . if that is what you meant i think most of us will agree.
please explain
---andy3996 on 9/4/11


Kevin

John 10 is speaking about ones coming offering salvation other than the salvation Jesus offers and warns of satan as well.

I realize their is abuse and those who enter in the Pastoralship simply for a career.

And I completely disagree with that.

But to say a man of God is not because he gets paid is ridiculous.

Scriptures teach this to be God's way therefore it does not matter what any one thinks of it.

Joh 10:1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 "But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.


Paul
---paul on 9/4/11


John 10:11
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
shepherd will tend His flock,wheither He is paid or not.even unto His own death.i know pastors that will quit if You refuse to upgrade their insurance package :(
---kevin5443 on 9/3/11


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Kevin5443...You try finding someone to be a shepherd to real sheep without paying them.
---KarenD on 9/3/11


pastors that get paid are not pastors.they are hirelings.Shepherds tend a flock because they love the sheep,in return the sheep happily support the Shepherd...
---kevin5443 on 9/3/11

So which is it, you say if their paid their not a Pastor then go on to describe a relationship between the Shepherd (which is a sheep herder or the Pastor) and the flock who support or pay him.

So systematical describe a Pastor for us in Biblical terms for Eph 4 lays it all out pretty clear.



Paul
---paul on 9/3/11


kevin5443:

Pastors, like everyone else, need food, clothing, a roof over their head, etc. If they are provided with these things (or the money to buy them), they can devote all their time to caring for their flocks. If they don't, they need to take time off from pastoring to provide for their own needs, and those of their families.

It's up to the congregation whether they want a part-time pastor and part-time tent-maker (as Paul was), or someone who can tend to their needs full time.

Look at your own life and see how much "spare time" you have outside of work and other necessarily activities (like cooking, cleaning, sleep, etc.). Do you think you could effectively pastor a church with the time you have left?
---StrongAxe on 9/3/11


Kevin, are you saying that as a pastor you would work full-time, for no pay?
---Warwick on 9/3/11


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My pastor works 15 to 18 hrs a day. He is about the Father's business everyday and every night. I can remember the time our church couldn't pay him anything but he still worked hard. Many pastors live by faith. God takes care of them just like he does my pastor.
---shira3877 on 9/3/11


pastors that get paid are not pastors.they are hirelings.Shepherds tend a flock because they love the sheep,in return the sheep happily support the Shepherd...
---kevin5443 on 9/3/11


KarenD so you would pay me because you feel sorry for me?
now thats no good reason to enumerate a minister at all, do it because you see the servant serves without tyring, do it because yo believe he accomplishes God's vision. do it because you serve God.
---andy3996 on 9/2/11


Missionaries leave their country. Pastors don't have to do that.
---KarenD on 9/2/11


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Mike

You never answered the question as to why Pastors should not get paid if they perform full time ministry for a Church?

Paul
---paul on 9/1/11


Good question
Everyone who is FULLTIME in ministry should get paid, Sabbath school teachers are usually not full time in ministry.
1 Corinthians 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
---Francis on 9/1/11


Cluny, that's funny. "Lord, you keep him humble, and we'll keep him poor." Ha ha ha how true. Some people are just plain stingy tight-wads, God forbid that they should even give one of their pennies to someone who is ministering to them. Jeepers, give people, give. If you have it, bless the one who blesses you, and put a smile on God's face, then witness things in your lifde improving for you doing the right thing. What does the word say? "Cast your bread upon the waters".
---Eloy on 9/1/11


mike and Bruce - remember when they asked Jesus about him paying taxes? What did he do?

A coin appeared in a fish and Jesus said, "now there, go get payment for my taxes."

Do ya wish we could do that too?

Jesus fed 5,000 people and it didn't cost him a dime, but He is God...what more can I say? God can do ANYTHING!!!!
---Donna5535 on 9/1/11


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I think people put value on things which can create Confusion. Money should have no value. ignore the numbers used.
---Philip on 9/1/11


Speaking of expecting pastors to live in the forests or on the street and eat bugs, like St. John the Baptist, have you ever heard of the prayer of a parish council looking for a pastor?

"Lord, send us a pastor, poor and humble. You keep him humble, and we'll keep him poor."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/31/11


mike, The pastor is worthy of his work. I do not know of any "true" pastors that are lazy, for all pastors are to walk according to their calling, that is to work. This includes fasting and much praying and studying for syllabuses for sermons, feeding the sheep, and sometimes this means more than just preaching, but this could also mean, physically feeding and clothe and finding shelter and employment for them. Getting transportation and safety for them. Perhaps there is a need for spending one-on-one intensive counselling and helping them with a financial budget or plan or whatsoever that sheep needs. No, there's no time for laziness in the ministry.
---Eloy on 8/31/11


KarenD, with all the love in my heart, but i think that's a bit unfair. i'm a missionary, my parents are pastoring, and i noticed the same problem with us all
any true minister sacrifices
time, health,finances relations on the altar of service it takes a really mature minister to understand Jesus desire and the words 1 Tim 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
---andy3996 on 9/1/11


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\\they are nothing but CAFETERIA PASTORS choosing what's convienient / easy money\\

And how many pastors do you personally know this can be said about?

Sounds to me like you're just making a judgement, mike.

In case you've not noticed, Franklin Graham is NOT a pastor. Heads of independent evangelical ministries are not pastors of congregations, but rather CEO of big corporations. Whether these organizations are necessary is another subject.

Even were he a local pastor, he'd be very much the exception.

Sounds to me like you've just being bigoted, mike, and whenever your Biblical questions are answered, you direct your spleen to another target and change the subject of your argument.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/31/11


andy3996...Missionaries!!! Now that is another story. They work 24/7 with little pay and spend their whole life doing it. They should be top on our list of giving after tithes and offerings. The gospel has reached the world because of missionaries!!!!! Pray for them! Support them!
---KarenD on 8/31/11


eloy

I've heard that excuse to be lazy.
and how much is 'WELL PAID'?

they are nothing but CAFETERIA PASTORS choosing what's convienient / easy money

oh if it's the other way around if its the congregation who is in need of financial assistance the answer is
'be contented' or 'my grace is sufficient for you'


what about franklin graham's salary of $1.2 million / year. if no one notice, he will continue his GREED.
---mike on 8/31/11


We've seen the volunteer burn out also. However, we have learned that when a person is doing a ministry to which they truly feel called, that burn out usually does not occur.
---KarenD on 8/31/11

I've learned that volunteering just because nobody else wants to do a task is a recipe for BURNOUT.

Oh Well, I learned that I was mostly responsible for my problem and moved on.

I just feel sorry for the Pastor. Who was left trying to find a replacement for the volunteer position.

I don't know if they ever did. Both myself and the Pastor left. The church has since gotten a new Pastor.
---Sag on 8/31/11


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How is a pastor suppose to live and support his family???? Why don't you work for nothing?
---shira_3877 on 8/31/11


KarenD in reality most of us are worcaholics, and we never stop working until the fuses burn, many of my missionary friends drop dead "before their time" because they do 10 jobs for twenty workers. i have a firiend who died on malaria because he couldn' find the time to go to hospital... these things are a reality and do by no means imply the pminister wasn't really called.
a normal daiys scedule for me wouldbe
05 wakeup check e-mail whilst drinking cofee, 06-08 bible and meditation 8-11,30 office work unless someone dneeds prayers 1130-1330 eat, 13.30-17.00 prepare the evening programm visit the sick 1700-18.30 free 18.30- 2030 church except on monday and thursday where i participate interchurchprogramms.
---andy3996 on 8/31/11


Mike, scripture tells us, "You will not muzzle the ox while it is treading out the grain."
---Eloy on 8/31/11


Sag...We've seen the volunteer burn out also. However, we have learned that when a person is doing a ministry to which they truly feel called, that burn out usually does not occur.
---KarenD on 8/31/11


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If a pastor pastor's as his sole source of occupation and has no other source of income, then he should rightly be paid or compensated for his work: for how else will he survive if he receives no reward for his work? how would he pay his bills for living? Some pastor's have other incomes or employments to supplement their living expenses, and some are retired, and these then may pastor without being paid for their ministering, but others need to rightly be paid for their work in order for them to live.
---Eloy on 8/31/11


andy3996:

In most churches -- Catholic, Protestant, Independent, etc. -- Burnout is a problem.

Pastors often suffer Burnout from their busy schedules. Many are On-Call 24/7/52. Sometimes, there are Ministries/Tasks that nobody will volunteer for, and the Pastor has to take on yet another task.

I learned that the 20/80 rule applies to Church Volunteering: 20% of the congregation does 80% of the work. I didn't think that this was Fair, but kept working out of service to GOD.

Eventually, I reached the Burnout point and had to quit most of my church volunteer jobs.

The Pastor couldn't find anyone else to volunteer their time to replace me. He just didn't have the energy to take over my volunteer tasks either.
---Sag on 8/31/11


\\Paul you forgot to mention Luke 8:3.\\

In other words, Jesus was supported by the faithful.

Just like the pastors of most churches.

**christ said don't bring anything when you enter a home.**

mike, in the same context, Jesus said, "The laborer is worthy of his wages." Matthew 10:10, Luke 10:7
Unless YOU are willing to live in the forest (or on the streets) and eat bugs, don't expect your pastor to do so, too.

I've already shown here and elsewhere where Jesus and the Apostles received support.

And remember in Acts that First Church of Jerusalem sold all their worldly goods and gave the proceeds to the Apostles.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/31/11


If all a pastor had to was preach, he probably wouldn't take any income from the church. But, all the pastors I know put in about a 60hrs plus a week, and they get calls at all times of the day and night. While I was never a pastor, I was a Youth Director at one time. The only way my wife and I were sure we wouldn't get visits or telephone calls my one day off a week was to get out of town. A pastor has to wear many hats, and preaching is the easiest one. Most pastors I know, (and as a retired missionary, I know lots of them) aren't paid enough for what they do.

1 Timothy 5:18 (NASB77)
18 For the Scripture says, " You shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing," and " The laborer is worthy of his wages."
---wivv on 8/31/11


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Paul, it seems there is sufficent evidence that early church leaders were in fact paid.

Although it could have been done in various forms.

I based this mostly on Pauls statement that he decided to take the OPTION to work for his ministry rather than being accused of somthing etc.

This would indicate that payment for Church leaders was occuring even as early as Pauls time.

I also believe that the Apostles (i.e. James/Peter) in Jerusalem were paid. Since they did not have jobs outside the church.

I believe this included money. Possibly even a set salary.

There is a lot of evidence to indicate this was the case.
---John on 8/31/11


Sag, it's true that in a "good church everyone helps out,
1 Corinthians4: 11-12 can be read in two ways "And he gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers, For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ":
one way puts all the load on one man, the second way makes it everyones responsability with an "encouragement coach" you know the one yelling to ghet the spirits of the players on.
yet we where talking about enumerations to pastors i like the idea you brought up, this is a problem indeed
---andy3996 on 8/31/11


Paul you forgot to mention Luke 8:3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herods steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

so jesus was PROVIDE TO BE FREE IN MINISTRY.
---andy3996 on 8/31/11


Why would you think that a pastor was not worthy to be paid for his FULL TIME JOB!!!!!!
---KarenD on 8/30/11

I agree completely with your blog posting. Good work for the Lord!

Many others here on CN seem to think that it isn't "Fair" that Pastors get paid and the volunteers often don't.

During my years of church volunteering, I worked until I just "Burned Out". Suddenly, my Pastor(s) seemed confused about that happening. Same thing happened to the other church volunteers. And it happens in many other churches too.

Food for thought.
---Sag on 8/30/11


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Mike

Your comparison of Jesus and the disciples not being paid to Pastors being paid is completely different.

The Disciples and Jesus were leading evangelical ministries and even at that ALL their needs were met by Gods people.

If you have a pluming issue and call a plumber out do you not pay him for his service.

Your biggest need is your spiritual need which your Pastor should be servicing.

So would you value your plumber more and honor him with compensation for services rendered but not your Pastor.

If a Pastor is in full time ministry for a particular Church why shouldn't he be compensated?

Paul
---paul on 8/30/11


There are some pastors who do not get paid by choice such as my husband. We live next to the church in the parsonage and are, therefore, on call 24/7. It's all about spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ, not money. However, pastors who do not have a source of income other than the church should be paid since they are 24/7 on call. Why would you think that a pastor was not worthy to be paid for his FULL TIME JOB!!!!!!
---KarenD on 8/30/11


Mike, "show me in mt luke mark & john that the disciples were receiving any monetary compensation."

If Jesus and his disciples did not receive any money, why did they need a treasurer (Judas)?

Judas Treasurer - John 12:5-6, 13:29

People giving them money - Luke 8:3
---Bruce5656 on 8/30/11


Pastors need to have food and shelter and clothes and all the other necessities of life we all take for granted, just as much as we do:
1) The church can provide them. (If so, they must provide at least the same quality of life members enjoy, otherwise, they are hypocrites.)
2) The church can provide a decent salary to let them buy whatever they need. (A decent wage, comparable to that of the members, or again, hypocrisy).
3) Pastors can get jobs to support themselves, but then their ministry is volunteer work. (Expecting them to donate more time than you are willing to volunteer yourself is hypocrisy.)
4) With faith, God can provide (but if you aren't willing to let God provide for YOU the same way, again hypocrisy).
---StrongAxe on 8/30/11


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The gospel is free but the feeding of the Word of God is hard work. And the bible tells us a worker is worthy of his/her wages.

A Pastor not only studies to feed you the word, he counsels, he gives his entire LIFE to the ministry and to the people he is pastoring. He is responsible for his sheep and is "feeding" them and that takes hard work. I think they should get paid as much as football players...one hundred million dollars over a six year period. Plus there is no "off-season" for Pastors...the measley 3 weeks vacation they get isn't enough for them to rest and recouperate for all their hard labor.
---Donna5535 on 8/30/11


My church pastor got much better when he got off blogs.
---Scott1 on 8/30/11

Is this something your Pastor was doing for entertainment or as ministry?

I come here for ministry mostly during my rest time, and it does promote personal growth, most of it is learning what not to do by watching others thus accentuating what to do.

I suppose it could be said for us all that the time we spend here is time that could be better spent with God.

But again this ministry here causes me to spend time seeking God and in His Word.

So I continue for now to believe I am doing right by God by being here, for now.

If He changes that I will go where He leads me, thanks for your concern though.


Paul
---paul on 8/30/11


cluny

christ, john the baptist, the disciples did not receive ANY payment.
christ said don't bring anything when you enter a home.
john the baptist lived in the wilderness & ate grasshoppers. show me in mt luke mark & john that the disciples were receiving any monetary compensation.
---mike on 8/30/11


Sunday School teachers do not preach the Gospel, nor do they administer the sacraments, counsel, or are likely to be sued for "catechist malpractice," as pastors do and are.

Unlike pastors, they are on call only 1 or 2 hours a week, and the educational year may not run uninterruptedly.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/30/11


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"If the gospel is FREE then why should pastors get paid?"
Paul put it this way, " If 'we' [ministers of the Gospel] have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?">1Cr. 9:11. "Let him who is taught the word share all good things with him who teaches.">Gal. 6:6 YLT
Jesus put it this way "the worker is worthy of his support.">Mat 10:10 NASB. "For the Scripture says, "You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain," and, "The laborer is worthy of his wages.">1Ti 5:18. Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of, or receive their living from, the gospel.>1Cr 9:14
---josef on 8/30/11


1 Corinthians 9:7-11 Who goeth awarfare any time at his own charges?who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope, and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? ITS GODS WILL THE "FLOCK PROVIDES forthe MINISTER"
---andy3996 on 8/30/11


//I do it but I also am robbing Gods people of a fully prepared fully functioning well rounded ministry because I also work to make a living.//
Paul

I say this with all due respect and love. Do you spend too much time on this blog that takes away from your ministry? Do you need to rebalance good (this blog) vs God's best (pastorship, rest, personal growth, leadership of staff, etc). My church pastor got much better when he got off blogs.
---Scott1 on 8/30/11




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