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Where is Heaven? My understanding (even when I was a Baptist before I got saved) is that it's NOWHERE in the physical created universe (whose origin is summarized in Genesis 1).
Heaven's non-physicality does not stop it from being any less real. Comments?

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"The heaven is high above the earth. Thus says Yhwh, The heaven my throne, and the earth my footstool. And no one always stepped in heaven except he out of heaven came down, the Son of man who from being in the heaven. And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, here, two men stood by them in white apparel, which also said, All you men of Galilee, why stand all you gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you all have seen him go into heaven. And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy."
---Eloy on 9/20/11


Rocky, by GPS you mean God's Perfect Spirit, why sure nuff!
---Elder on 9/20/11


Get on Narrow Way, see the light, turn right and pass through Calvary, take Straight Street to the end and you are there.
--Elder on 9/19/11
Sounds a bit confusing, thank heavens we were given a GPS to guide us.
---Rocky on 9/20/11


Elser, "Get on Narrow Way, see the light, turn right and pass through Calvary, take Straight Street to the end and you are there..." Love it! Thanks for sharing this!
---chria9396 on 9/20/11


Get on Narrow Way, see the light, turn right and pass through Calvary, take Straight Street to the end and you are there.
PS: Once you see the houses and streets you will want to stay so don't try to take anything with you. You can send a lot ahead of you though and they will store it up for you.
---Elder on 9/19/11




"Thank you chria9396!
That means a lot to me, and it is very much appreciated"
It's an honor to pray for one another, and we all could use prayer. So much happens in that place. I've been reading blogs this evening, intending to respond to some, including yours, but have been in prayer instead. I do hope to get back to responses soon???
Remain blessed, in Him
---chria9396 on 9/18/11


"Remembering you in prayer," Thank you chria9396!
That means a lot to me, and it is very much appreciated.
---joseph on 9/18/11


//--TheSeg on 9/9/11//--Love it.
---I'll stand laughing with you.

2Kg6:17And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw: and, behold, the mountain [was] full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha

Dan 3:25He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Lk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.


Lk 9:30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:

Just Keep Standing--Seg--Amen and Amen.
Blessing to you, thanks for sharing,
Shalom.

---char on 9/14/11


For those interested, you can learn more about "dark matter" and "dark energy" at Wikipedia - just use those two phrases as search terms there. By the way, this is mainstream science and, while the nature of dark matter and energy are not known, its existence and approximate size, while theoretical, is not really contested. It is also a good example of the limits of scientific and human knowledge. We can kind of explain about 17% of the physical universe and know practically nothing about the other 83%.
---Rocky on 9/13/11


Rocky, I believe you are correct but don't you think those things that you said are also interesting to believers? I find that Astronomy is so exciting to me, that I too wonder about the things we do not see with our eyes. I can see the work that God did and how awesome it is. Everything precise. If one thing was out of order close to us, we would not even be here. It is like the complex parts of the body. Something so awesome. And how the spirit controls our conduct. Things we will never know in this life, maybe not even in heaven. I have wondered about the spiritual realm of God. I have read into that subject alot. We keep learning but never will we know it all.
---Mark_V. on 9/13/11




To non-Christians inquiring about the location of spiritual realms, I simply point out that scientists are perplexed about 83% of the supposed composition of the matter and energy in the universe. Mathematical calculations about the orbits and movements of stars and galaxies prove to scientists that there is much energy and matter that we cannot see as light or measure with other devices that record electromagnetic energy. They theorize the existence of dark matter and dark energy about which they know nothing, other than it must exist to account for the behavior of the stars and galaxies and that it is calculated to make up 83% of the universe compared to only 17% that we can see or otherwise measure.
---Rocky on 9/13/11


Thank you joseph for being an encouragement, and speaking life into my life, as well as others here, I am sure. (there's one ex of that wonderful voice). The respect is quite mutual.
"Please continue to do so. As I have quoted before "Iron sharpens iron." I will continue by the grace of God, and amen. "I think we both understand and appreciate that the voice is the Father's who has gracious chosen some from among us as vessels of that voice." Again, amen, all to His glory. Remembering you in prayer,
---chria9396 on 9/11/11


Aka, sorry, I was not more precised. My point was that demension was not in Scripture and I guess realm is not either. I was not trying to contradict anyone just answering like you and others. But to be precise, Heaven is "Ouranos" and in Scripture it is used in a singular form and plural form. Depending the passage. In Eph. 2:6 it is used as the supernatural realm where God reigns ( John 3:12: John 6:12). It is also refers to the supernatural sphere where Satan temporarily rules. This spiritual realm is where believers blessings are (1:3), and where they enjoy fellowship with the Lord. It is a realm from which all divine revelation has come and where all praise and petitions go.
---Mark_V. on 9/11/11


Do not be "sorry" chria9396:o) I appreciate your taking the time to read my post and look to correct what you considered to be an error. Please continue to do so. As I have quoted before "Iron sharpens iron." I have always had a tremendous amount of respect for your views, as well as your understanding of scripture, and always will. As you have shared, and I totally agree, hearing the Father voice is a beautiful thing. I think we both understand and appreciate that the voice is the Father's who has gracious chosen some from among us as vessels of that voice. Be blessed beloved, and thanks.
---joseph on 9/11/11


MarkV //The Bible doesn't speak of other demensions, but realm or abode.//

i think you may be splitting hairs again. Dimension is in the thesaurus under realm and vice versa.

Act 8:39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing.
Act 8:40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he preached the gospel to all the towns until he came to Caesarea.

Realm is from the same root as reality. Walking through locked doors and being teletransported by the Spirit is not part of our reality (dimension) without the power of the Spirit.
---aka on 9/11/11


joseph, there' s no need to apologize, if anything, I should apologize for misinterpreting. In rereading, I've seen that you are quite clear. I read through quickly at first, latching onto the 'love enough': 'enough' being a word that sets off red flags, as if a work on our part is needed, to love enough, or do enough of whatever, but "when a man IS GIVEN" and "that man has been raised", actually indicate otherwise, since the given and raising are done, not of works, but of God. I'm sorry for confusing things. Thank you, and God bless you.
---chria9396 on 9/10/11


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I was questioning "when a man is given to love Him enough..." being the 'cause' of being seated in heavenly realms. Ok chria9396. I understand. In the statement you quoted, I was sharing in terms of evidentiary effect, rather than cause. I apologize for my lack of clarity.
---joseph on 9/10/11


Chria, very good answers. The Bible doesn't speak of other demensions, but realm or abode. Where ever that is. Heaven is the usual term for the eternal abode of the saved (Matt. 5:12: Col. 1:5: 1 Peter 1:4). Heaven will apparently be only part of the future sin-cleansed universe. There will also be Gehenna (Lake of fire- Rev. 20:14,15), a new heaven and a new earth" (2 Peter 3:13: Rev. 21:1). and a New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:2).
---Mark_V. on 9/10/11


In my mind, I keep coming back to Is 66:1 "This is what the LORD says: Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool." (also in acts 7:49.) Not only does this speak to me of God being omnipresent, but that the fullness of God is not, (cannot) be contained.
---chria9396 on 9/9/11


char, I'm going to say something, please don't laugh too hard. If you do, believe me, I can understand why. I laugh at myself just for believing such an impossible thing.
Sometime ago I was laying in bed then from out side my window.
My name was call three times like in a panic! I got up and started running to my window, when something said, "don't run!"

I looked out, I saw people walking as flat two-dimensional figure.
To my right (here it comes) I saw seven figures "in the air," with white candles.
More importantly, I felt them, so real! It was like being in a difference reality.

Well like I said try not to laugh too hard.
I'm laughing too!
The truth!
---TheSeg on 9/9/11


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//Everything that exists here existed from the beginning, including the different dimensions. Rev_21:5 TheSeg on 9/9/11//

Amen-Agreed.

This is western thinking [I find myself doing many times as most of us do].
The eastern thinking is much different. In Biblical Hebrew
one word can refer to past and future events interchangeably.
Bibical teaching:
Ancient Hebrews of the Bible view time, the past, present and future, as circular.

dor va' dor = "Forever, from generation to generation"
The noun, dor is derived from dur, the verb meaning circle, ball etc...

God is Timeless.
He is the Beginning and end of all things.
---char on 9/9/11


joseph, I agree with your response, but that,'s not what I was asking. I'm sorry I wasn't clear. You wrote: Therefore when a man is given to love Him enough to love his fellowman without hypocrisy, that man has been raised above the dictates of the senses, and made to sit in the Heavenly realm of Christ." The latter part, caused me to quote Eph 2:4-6. I have believed this to mean that from the moment we are saved we are seated in heavenly places (in Christ Jesus). I was questioning "when a man is given to love Him enough..." being the 'cause' of being seated in heavenly realms. Eph 3:17-19, is rich, bot one thing, implies growing in love, knowing more fully, going deeper...no limit IMO.
---chria9396 on 9/9/11


//It go's be on dimensions---TheSeg on 9/9/11//

Completely Agree.
---char on 9/9/11


"A question if you dont mind:"
I do not mind at all chria9396.
Are you asking whether or not Heaven is conditional? If so yes. It is conditioned upon our being raised and made to sit together with Christ. We are saved by grace through faith. Father opens our minds to recieve that gift. It is the Father's Grace, as His merciful kindness in exerting His Divine influence upon the 'heart', as the central focus of the mind of man, that draws man to Christ. Who in turn empowers man to embrace, and to exercise both His faith to receive His salvation, and His love to extend towards both the Father and man's fellow man. As it is written "We love Him, because He first loved us." 1Jo 4:19
---joseph on 9/9/11


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It go's be on dimensions. Everything that exists here existed from the beginning, including the different dimensions.

I say this only because of the shroud!
I am one who has a hard time, just dismissing it.

In Rev_21:5 he said:
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

When I look at the way the image on the shroud is.
Then take in to account this universe, well what I know of it.
It clearly says I am from nowhere's round you.
Joh_14:1-4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

I also believe in what he told his disciples. Joh_6:12!
Look carefully!
---TheSeg on 9/9/11


//John 20:26 ."-aka on 9/7/11//
Amen...So much to this scripture.

The eight letter of the Hebrew aleph-bet is Chet.
The gematria is the number 8 and represents "Grace" it denotes Resurrection, regeneration: A New Beginning. The pictograph is a wall meanig outside, divide, half-

"The doorway of LIfe".

Christ is the yoke "path"
Moving and working together.
Holy Spirit-God confirming His Word within.
Beyt-"In" '"tabernacle" "House"
Jn 14(all)
20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you

The Kings domain is His Kingdom.
---char on 9/8/11


One God-different dimension.
---char on 9/6/11

Scripture agrees:

John 20:26 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you."
---aka on 9/7/11


Heaven is where God is.
It is His domain.
God is not subject to either time/space.(same)

Thy kindgom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.
Is this happening ---Now?
Inbeginning was the Word...And the Word became flesh and dwelt amoung us.Jn1:1-14
But Now...Emmanuel-God with us.
//Rom3(all)
21 [But Now] the righteousness of God without the law is manifested... 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto [all and upon all them that believe]: for there is no difference:

Rom10:9-10 Name "Y'shua" defined:

'Jehovah (God) savior'//

One God-different dimension.
---char on 9/6/11


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Cluny, how can twisting something around bring glory to Jesus? How is that possible?
When others told you they were Catholic and left and now they are saved, why didn't you ask them the same questions I ask? I could have told you why I was not saved as a Catholic, because I believe in works for salvation. Do this, do that, eat Christ flesh every Sunday, sprinkling of water on the forhead will save, then if you sin, pay pentance, if you die and sin, you go to purgatory, where you wait and see if you can be forgiven while dead, by someone else's works. So yes, it was of Works. But salvation comes by grace through faith, not in our works, but the works of Christ on the Cross. So if you had asked I would have told you.
So how about you?
---Mark_V. on 9/6/11


My point, which nobody is getting, is that I see so many people here say, "I used to be a ___[usually Catholic], but i got saved."

I thought I'd twist it around to show how it sounds.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/6/11
Good job
---francis on 9/6/11


My point, which nobody is getting, is that I see so many people here say, "I used to be a ___[usually Catholic], but i got saved."

I thought I'd twist it around to show how it sounds.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/6/11


Cluny used to think that when I was a Southern Baptist, too

strangely i know many Muslims who say exactely the same they used to think that they where Christian and saved, now as a Muslim they are saved...
what makes us to be saved really? Christ's sacrifice, or our religion... decide because eternal life depends on it.
---andy3996 on 9/5/11


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Paul, agree with " I still feel all denominations who trust Jesus as savior are my kinsmen."

Is 66:1 "This is what the LORD says:

Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool."
there are several references that say the same. These speak to me, for one thing, of Gods omnipresence. So, where is the throne? Does the 'is' in Heaven is my throne, mean that they are one and the same? Why the mention (several different verses) of heaven/throne and earth/footstool (as if God sits in heaven, but His 'feet' rest on earth)? repetition of the above indicate some importance...
---chria9396 on 9/5/11


Where is Heaven?

Much like jerusalem it is ALWAYS UP.
---Francis on 9/5/11


\\Cluny, I am a Southern Baptist, AND SAVED!\\

I used to think that when I was a Southern Baptist, too.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/5/11

Are you saying Baptist are not saved?

I am a Pentecostal Preacher but I still feel all denominations who trust Jesus as savior are my kinsmen.

I hope you are not insinuating that.

Paul
---paul on 9/5/11


If heaven was in our universe!
Wouldn't we be able to find it for ourselves or send something there?
Yes, I know how big it is! Never the less, this is true! So, I say it.

When he said it is within you. Everything you are your faith, hopes and dream are within you.
Most of all God, Yes! Even God is within you. There is not one of you without God.
Thank you, Father!

Think it makes a difference to him what religion you are?
Some of you think because you hold something up, it has some meaning.
Mat_18:12 Think he care if it's sick or wounded? He doesn't, but it seems you do, Luk_12:21!

Again! Mat_11:4-6!
Mat_13:13-5
Mat_16:9!
Peace

Listen too
Streisand & Dion-Tell him!
---TheSeg on 9/5/11


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Cluny, you did not answer my questions. What made you realize you were not saved? And how do you know you are saved now? What happen to you that now makes you think you are, as an Orthodox?
Come on, give us the secret you have. Don't you want others to be saved?
---Mark_V. on 9/5/11


Please! #2

Luk_16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot, neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Mat_24:1-2
Think of it every stone. Forget this world!
Gen_3:17 cursed is the ground for thy sake, in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life,
Will the lord thy God take back his word, after given?

Joh_4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
God Bless
---TheSeg on 9/5/11


\\Cluny, I am a Southern Baptist, AND SAVED!\\

I used to think that when I was a Southern Baptist, too.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/5/11


Last time i checked heaven must be in my heart.

its a calculation:

Christ is God, who went back to heaven, the spirit is God sent by the father, the father is God of which Christ is sitting at his right hand
my treasure is in Christ
Matth6:21+ 1Cor3:16+ romans 8:10+ Acts 1:10 = heaven is in our hearts.
---andy3996 on 9/5/11


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//Heaven's non-physicality does not stop it from being any less real.//

Agreed.

John 20:26 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you."

God does not live in our realm or understanding of "life".

it seems the question of where he lives is really in what realm does he live.
---aka on 9/5/11


\\WOW,
Did you intend on phrasing this in the way you did?\\

Yep!

Not the first time I've used it, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/3/11
Cluny, I am a Southern Baptist, AND SAVED! Not because I am Baptist, but, because I believe what the Lord Jesus Christ taught about Himself and salvation. Christianity is not about ANY denomination, but, ALL about Jesus Christ.
---tommy3007 on 9/5/11


Well one day it will be on earth on this very planet, so why not on another planet at this time?
---Francis on 9/3/11

I try to make it a point not to tell God His business, so it is wherever He desires it to be.

I'm just thankful He went away to prepare me and you a place there.

Paul
---paul on 9/4/11


I pray we all find out one day.
---paul on 9/3/11

It is just my personal believe that Heaven is on another planet, purhaps out of our galaxy. This believe is strengthening by the bible.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.

Well one day it will be on earth on this very planet, so why not on another planet at this time?
---Francis on 9/3/11


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The saved know the truth, and the truth sets them free.
---Eloy on 9/4/11


Joseph, for the most part, I agree with your post. A question if you dont mind: Eph 2 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressionsit is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, From what Ive seen, this is a done deal, and I had thought, by faith, true on the basis of salvation alone.
Therefore when a man is given to love Him enough to love his fellowman without hypocrisy, that man has been raised above the dictates of the senses, and made to sit in the Heavenly realm SEEMS conditional.
---chria9396 on 9/4/11


Cluny, since you wanted to throw some dirt at Baptist with your comment on the blog questions, I want to ask you a few questions.
1. How do you know you were not saved when you were a Baptist?
2. How do you know you are saved now as an Orthodox?
Can you explain what changed you went through when you went to Orthodox?
---Mark_V. on 9/4/11


Perhaps two people on this blog think that you are only saved if you are Orthodox.
---KarenD on 9/3/11

Who Karen?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/3/11


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John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Romans 8:25 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
---christan on 9/3/11


the bible talks about the sons of God presenting themseves to God on a certain day, I would suspect that this location is centralized and even localized.

But these are just idle speculations
---Francis on 9/3/11


Francis

Probably a very accurate assumption, of course we can't know for sure.

Ge 28:12 Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven, and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.

I pray we all find out one day.
Paul
---paul on 9/3/11


Perhaps two people on this blog think that you are only saved if you are Orthodox.
---KarenD on 9/3/11


Why does it matter where Heaven is? We will not be spending eternity there only 1000 years. See Rev. 20:1-10. The New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven to Earth and we will live here on this very planet forever and ever. Rev. 21:1-2. God is coming here to Earth to live among us Rev. 21:3-8. Awesome.
---barb on 9/3/11


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Ask any LSD! They will tell you! It's a Star called Kolob and it has a small planet revoling around where G-d lives.
---John on 9/2/11
very interesting
I would suspect that God lives on a planet, somewhere in the Orion belt region, but I do not know it's name.

the bible talks about the sons of God presenting themseves to God on a certain day, I would suspect that this location is centralized and even localized.

But these are just idle speculations
---Francis on 9/3/11


indeed,by Heaven being nowhere? it is everywhere. same as GOD is nothing?HE is everything!!!
---kevin5443 on 9/3/11


"Kinda looks like your saying you were a Baptist but not saved or that Baptist are not saved or eligible for salvation.

Paul
---paul on 9/2/11

Many Baptists aren't saved. I used to be a Pentecostal, but I wasn't saved either. I was walking in Traditions of Men and had no relationship with Jesus Christ.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/3/11


"Jesus said, "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." Therefore when a man is given to love Him enough to love his fellowman without hypocrisy, that man has been raised above the dictates of the senses, and made to sit in the Heavenly realm of Christ. For Heaven is where the Spirit of the Father and His Son resides. We experience Heaven today, as we rest in the Fathers presence, to be submitted to His Word and reign within. Heaven tangibly for man, will be the presence of Jesus among us on earth, as citizen under His government. Ultimately, together with Him, we will enjoy the beauty and comfort of His bride, the new Jerusalem.
---joseph on 9/3/11


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\\WOW,
Did you intend on phrasing this in the way you did?\\

Yep!

Not the first time I've used it, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/3/11


Ask any LSD! They will tell you! It's a Star called Kolob and it has a small planet revoling around where G-d lives.
---John on 9/2/11


scott1:

Heaven lacks many of the characteritics of physical locations and objects: it cannot be percieved by the senses, it is incorruptible, it cannot be reached by physical means (i.e. NASA won't be building a rocket that can take you to heaven any time soon, or, in fact, ever), etc.)
---StrongAxe on 9/2/11


(even when I was a Baptist before I got saved)
---Cluny on 9/1/11

WOW,
Did you intend on phrasing this in the way you did?

Kinda looks like your saying you were a Baptist but not saved or that Baptist are not saved or eligible for salvation.

Paul
---paul on 9/2/11


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John 6:38 Jesus says he came down from heaven. Isaiah 45:8-heaven above-. 2 Corinthians 12:2,4 paraphraised,there was a man,whether spiritual man or physical man he can't say,that man was caught up to the third heaven.He was caught up into paradise. Revelation 2:7 says the tree of life is in paradise, which is in the garden of God. Jesus told the theif on the cross this day you will be with me in paradise therefore I deduce paradise, which is the garden of God, would be in heaven since that is where Christ is sit down with God and the man went up to it then heaven must be located past the first heaven below clouds and second heaven,clouds and above and above them is the third heaven.
---Darlene_1 on 9/2/11


It was the part of being a "Baptist before I got saved" that confused me. I have never heard you refer to salvation as being saved.
---KarenD on 9/2/11


The kingdom is as if a man cast seeds on the ground.
The seeds spring up, he knows not how or why!

He said!
The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Behold, the kingdom of God is within you!

Does this mean you cannot see, feel or touch it?
If it, be in you! 2Co 12:1-5

Bruce5656 read on!
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

You don't know it!
But you do feel it, don't you!
---TheSeg on 9/2/11


\\It is obvious that this question was not posted by "the Cluny" who always posts on here.
---KarenD on 9/2/11\\

I most certainly DID post the original question, KarenD. Why do you say it's obvious that I didn't?

There' sonly ONE Cluny. I'm irreplaceable.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/2/11


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\\Cluny, who said heaven was Non-physical?\\

I thought that I had clarified that by "non-physical," I meant that it was not of this physical created universe at all,

And Heaven and the spiritual realm are certainly more real than anything we will ever experience this side of death or the Parousia.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/2/11


It is obvious that this question was not posted by "the Cluny" who always posts on here.
---KarenD on 9/2/11


Trying to figure out such things is like trying to teach your dog calculus.

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."
---Bruce5656 on 9/2/11


Cluny, who said heaven was Non-physical?
Where did you get such an idea?
Revelation 4:2 a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And round about the throne were four and twenty seats:

seems very physical
---Francis on 9/2/11


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I agree. Heaven is a spiritual reality.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/2/11


CLUNY, Heaven is more real than this fleshly matter on Earth. Our temporary, made-of-dust, sinful, finite bodies cannot see the Spiritual Realm. But, because it cannot be seen on a regular basis, it makes the Spiritual Realm seem less than real. But, the Spiritual Realm is MORE real. The third Heaven is located beyond Outer Space. It can only be seen by mankind when GOD gives anyone the ability to see it, or even go there. When we die, we are freed from our fleshly nature and limited bodies, and our souls are then able to see what they couldn't see before. Heaven IS a Physical Place. It's matter is of a superior Spiritual yet completely tangible nature.
---Gordon on 9/2/11


Heaven is where God is, and only He knows the Way.
---aka on 9/2/11


I think it is very physical and all around us. It just cannot be seen, felt, and experienced in our limited 5 senses. God's got it worked out somehow.
---Scott1 on 9/2/11


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