Chria, you asked,
"do you mean, even if we afterwards find we are wrong?"
Yes. If we begin to ignore our conscience we might miss what God is conveying to us. Romans 14:14 Speaking of food what it meant to others. "To him it is unclean" Here if a believer is convinced a certain behavior is sin-(here it is food) even if his assessment is wrong-he should never do it. If he does, he will violate his conscience, experience guilt ( 1 Cor. 8:4-7) and perhaps be driven into deeper legalism instead of moving toward freedom. (v. 5) "let each be fully convinced in his own mind" I tried to explain this to some of the SDA's because some, not all, have been driven into a deeper legalism.
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11|
Sharon, I know we need to be careful in this area too. Satan comes as an Angel of light, and just as Jesus was tempted in the Wilderness, as Satan used scripture to tempt Him, interestingly enough Satan can also tempt us as well, filling our mind with all sorts of self exalting pride.
We learn through these experiences to bring every thought under the Obedience of Christ.
2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.
So just having your conscience cleansed in no way safeguards you to never be tempted/tested whereby we Grow up Into Him, OVERCOMING the Evil one and the World.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/11|
MarkV, "And that is why we should always follow our conscience, even when we are wrong." do you mean, even if we afterwards find we are wrong? I do prefer to act without doubt for whatever is not of faith is sin, and so ought to wait on the Lord , but I have seen the following to be true too "ignoring the conscience could be ignoring what God has been trying to tell us not to do or do." And ties, in part, with what I said about God wrecking my thinking, going back to some things from years ago where I missed hearing Him. It was something pretty big and has had a major impact on things, but I was previously unaware of. We can see and hear what we want sometimes, dangerous.
---chria9396 on 10/6/11|
Chria, you said,
That God has been wrecking your own thinking" R
Which reminded me that God speaks to our conscience and cleanses the conscience. And believers conscience bear witness to us between our thoughts accusing us or excusing us since the law is in our hearts. And that is why we should always follow our conscience, even when we are wrong. Because ignoring the conscience could be ignoring what God has been trying to tell us not to do or do. If we practice ignoring the conscience we miss what God wants us to do.
---Mark_V. on 10/2/11|
MarkV, yes, prayer is critical. It is clear that all are not saved here, and all of us have much yet to learn, to have our own eyes opened to what is new for us individually. Thats one purpose which God uses us for here, by His Spirit. God has actively been revealing His truth, in my life anyways, and wrecking my own thinking. I pray we all will be open to Him, His Word, as the Spirit reveals and leads us into all truth, all to His glory and praise.
---chria9396 on 9/30/11|
Chria, your completely correct in all you said. I understand all that because of my studies of God and man. I suppose, I say those things that I do not understand why they say such things, is because when I seat down to answer, I try my best to treat everyone as saved, and when they answer the way they do with such vicious attacks, or with rediculous interpretations, or when they support their churches or denominations, I'm shocked to hear what they have to say. It should not surprise me that the Truth is not their priority. I should realize that not all who answer are saved. Because how could they be so wrong in what they say. Thank you for reminding me, I should not be shocked. I do pray for everyone on line each day, I never to forget that.
---Mark_V. on 9/26/11|
MarkV, I think we all ought to be careful not to compromise Gods truth with a lie. "I cannot understand why others would compromise the Truth."
Proverbs 21:2 says Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Until one has revelation from God/has their eyes opened, they will believe their own way. No arguments will persuade, only the Word, by the Spirit, we are unable, its got to be a work of God. Some are lost, some believe false teachings. We ought to pray, have compassion, in the hopes that they will be saved, and eyes and hearts will be opened to Him/the Truth. I would hope others would have compassion and pray for me, and I am convinced that some have, glory to God!
---Chria9396 on 9/25/11|
Chria, I believe only the Truth (Christ) saves. So many here compromise the Truth with a lie, because their hearts are not on the Truth, but on their own denominations. Yet many I disagree with or not speaking for denominations, they just disagree. You can tells who they are. You, Leej, Micha, Christan, Mark E. Tommy, The Seg, Most Excellent, Shawn T, Joseph, Josef and many more space cannot provide, but when I read what they say I can see they don't have an agenda for a denomination, only the Truth they have to share.
I cannot understand why others would compromise the Truth completely to defend their own Churches. Don't they realize how much they add to their account? It's their own souls at stake, but right now they don't seem to care.
---Mark_V. on 9/24/11|
MarkV, I had noticed Michas response, and had been thinking of that passage myself, and trying to remember exactly where it was (1 Kings 19:11-13).
it's so important to speak the Truth, because only the Truth (Christ) saves. Amen!
---chria9396 on 9/23/11|
Chria, I agree with you. In the Old Testament the ministry of the Holy Spirit did indwell a very few believers, but the norm was for God to speak with His own voice to those He wanted to use as Micha showed in his answer. In the New Testament after Pentacost, the Holy Spirit now indwells genuine believers. When they speak the Truth (Christ) God is speaking. God does not have to verbably speak since He does in many ways. When we witness the Truth (Christ) to a none believer, he is hearing the Truth. And if the Truth comes with power, that person will believe the Lord. If we speak not the Truth but a lie, it is our own words and not Gods. That's why it's so important to speak the Truth, because only the Truth (Christ) saves.
---Mark_V. on 9/20/11|
1 Kings 19:11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD, [but] the LORD [was] not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake, [but] the LORD [was] not in the earthquake:
1 Kings 19:12 And after the earthquake a fire, [but] the LORD [was] not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
1 Kings 19:13 And it was [so], when Elijah heard [it], that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, [there came] a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?
---micha9344 on 9/19/11|
Rhonda, I referred to hearing Gods "voice", not literally, but I do believe God can and does "speak" through others. You are right about Christ being the Word of God. There are many in the world who have no access to the written Word, but hear because true believers speak the Word. Rom 10:14 "...And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?" The "hearing" I speak of is discernment. Prov 18:15
The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge, for the ears of the wise seek it out." hear, speak, see are not always literal.Prov 28:11
The rich are wise in their own eyes, one who is poor and discerning SEES how deluded they are." All is seen, heard, discerned by the Spirit. 1 Cor 2:14
---chria9396 on 9/19/11|
Rhonda:You are right on,the other post are dealing with feelings and emotions.STAND FAST
---lionel on 9/19/11|
Rhonda, how did you come up with that one?
God's voice comes in many ways, so does the bible confirms
Christ is the WORD of God I didn't "come up with that" John 1:1, 14, 2Corin 4:2 and THAT is HIS voice today
GOD spoke to OT prophets for purpose of communicating to all ...not one example of GOD speaking one on one
Christ WARNED True Believers that a WICKED generation would seek signs ...Satan's demons can transform themselves into the ministers of light ...leading many to be deceived they "hear" a voice of God 2Corin 11:13-15
Holy Scripture is VOID of the idea that GOD personally speaks to anyone with his "voice" Rom 1:1-2
---Rhonda on 9/17/11|
He(God)only speaks through His word,spoken or written.
---lionel on 9/17/11|
Rhonda, how did you come up with that one?
God's voice comes in many ways, so does the bible confirms
an inspired preaching, a word of encouragement, a thought etcetera. yesterday i heard a testimony . a woman started thinking very hard about a friend, so hard she prayed for hours, afterwards she send a message to inform, receiving reply it comes out that that was the exact moment her friend lost an inlaw she loved dearly, and the family was in distress... that's how God can talk to us in a thought.
---andy3996 on 9/16/11|
God speaks to everyone the same way ...not by voice/sound however HE does communicate by his divinely inspired written WORD of Holy Scripture ...whenever a True Believer studies the Word of God - GOD is speaking
Christ WARNED that many (not a few) would come in HIS name ...those who claim they "hear" a "gods voice" are simply entertaining the spirits of Satan
---Rhonda on 9/15/11|
MarkV, Thank you, just the truth, for me..."I believe just as you do. It is a joy to know the Lord our God. Even when the hard times come, we rejoice He is there for us and only wants the best for us. Praise be to God in the Highest." Amen! He deserves all our praise, our adoration...I LOVE to 'hear' His voice, it always brings joy, (yes even, maybe even especially , in those hard times) and that voice comes through those (here and elsewhere) led by His Holy Spirit. What I desire most is to be in His presence, know Him more, and be made more like Him.
---chria9396 on 9/7/11|
I guess God thinks he must speak to you forcefully to get your attention.
---Rocky on 9/7/11|
different ways in different circumstance,for most daily chit chat,as a gentle whisper to my heart,so gentle even the sound of a fan running can cause misunderstanding...
---kevin5443 on 9/7/11|
Chria, wonderful words you just said. I believe just as you do. It is a joy to know the Lord our God. Even when the hard times come, we rejoice He is there for us and only wants the best for us. Praise be to God in the Highest.
---Mark_V. on 9/5/11|
God speaks to me, more often then not, through the prompting of His Spirit to remind me of scriptures.
He can speak audibly or by way of thought impression, but typically through His loving reminders of scriptures.
Their is alot of confusion in the Body of Christ concerning this topic.
I hear people often telling me that God told them to do something, I mean after all you cant disprove them typically...except this.
If it is not in the Word or in Gods nature one is probably hearing from another source, one might be careful about that.
So God speaking is rarely the issue, it is more often then not if we are hearing from God.
---paul on 9/5/11|
How does God speak to you?
God speaks by His Spirit, by the Word, His creation, by others/believers. We, the sheep, know His voice. "When God speaks to me it becomes very overwhelming the message in my mind. It will take over everything that I may be doing at the moment." His voice is overwhelmingly wonderful, and it's a joy to know you hear Him. As in:
"The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegrooms voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete."
---chria9396 on 9/5/11|
God speaks to me mostly during the morning hours, but the message can sometimes go on for 10 or more hours.
Sometimes the message will go on for days, each message building upon the one I received the day before.
The messages are never comlicated, but very simple and taught with great wisdom and joy.
The simplicity of these messages show me the ignorance of mankind, non of which I find any to be any more ignorant than me.
---David on 9/5/11|
If you have ever gotten close and honest and sharing everything with a person, and have worked out disagreements . . . you know how beautiful and complicated communication can be, and including so much that is deeper than words, in love. So, God is more complicated and beautiful and capable of intimacy than another human is. So, He won't just speak to us!!! (c: At any time, stay sensitive to how He relates with us and has us discovering how to share with each other (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/5/11|