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Do you think that using resources other than the Bible to learn and develop as a Christian is wrong?

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\\I believe that God the Father, Jesus, and the Spirit are three different entities. \\

What do you mean by "entities"?

They are three persons (theological use here--hypostasis is the Greek word) but of one nature/essence/substance.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/15/11


I believe that God the Father, Jesus, and the Spirit are three different entities. However I can see how others interpret otherwise. There are many apparent contradictions in the Bible. Luckily we dont have to understand the mystery or be Bible experts. Just love God and one another and have faith in Jesus Christ. That is not always easy to do, especially the loving one another part, but luckily, or perhaps by His grand design, it is easy to see and understand the goal and to work towards it.
---Rocky on 9/15/11


"Nothing wrong with using other resources to learn. Just accept the meat and spit out the bones. I don't believe everything I read but it does educate me. My main source of learning is the Holy Word of God.
---shira3877 on 9/15/11" I've spit out a few bones here and there, and reading here sometimes blesses greatly, other times, there's confusion, so to the Word is best,
---Chria9396 on 9/15/11


I'm going to be completely honest with you, I do not know how it all works.
---paul on 9/15/11

very BIBLICAL answer.
If we knew how it worked it was not be called a mystery

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
---Francis on 9/15/11


the serious one' who believe Jesus is God,
---Mark_V. on 9/15/11

Mark
I'm going to be completely honest with you, I do not know how it all works.

But their is something inside me that will not allow me to believe the GOD the Father came down here and put on flesh and became Jesus when he was still in Heaven.

And it transcends just not beleaving that God could be in two places at once (omnipresence).

I see God the Father as higher then Jesus just as Jesus said He was.

That dosen't mean I don't think Jesus is God because I do, just not father God.

I don't know how to make that make since to you.

Believe me in my heart I do honor Jesus as God.

Paul
---paul on 9/15/11




Ruben, the answer is God, His Word is authoritive. God through the Spirit reveals it to all genuine believers.

---Mark_V. on 9/14/11

That's not what I ask!

Maybe this will be clearer for you.

Why is your interpretation of scripture correct over others?
---Ruben on 9/15/11


Nothing wrong with using other resources to learn. Just accept the meat and spit out the bones. I don't believe everything I read but it does educate me. My main source of learning is the Holy Word of God.
---shira3877 on 9/15/11


Paul 2: I want you to know I wish you well in your walk of faith. I will not be answering you with any passages concerning this subject. You are a good guy, and I don't mean to hurt you. I will pray that God reveals this truth to you. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 9/15/11


Paul, I'm not angry at you anymore. And I do love you, the reason I said I was angry at you. I'm not angry at Kathr, because there is something terribly wrong with her. The cult speakers sincerly disagree, but they are sincerly wrong. But you belong to the Christian Church. I have no clue how God works in your life. I don't question your salvation but question your teachings. Many don't know how to present the Trinity and need help, I can understand. But the flock looks for help from their pastors and the serious one' who believe Jesus is God, will see right through you and they will leave. Those who remain, are not interested in the truth, but on been happy.
---Mark_V. on 9/15/11


No apologies to those who teach another Jesus.
---Mark_V. on 9/14/11

Mark

You don't have to apologize to me,I truly do still love you.

And I am not perfect but I teach the truth in my Church.

I see people blessed and growing in a positive way.

God has set me where I am it is not self professed or self appointed.

You know nothing about where God has brought me from or how He moves through me.

I have not blasphemed the name of Jesus nor minimized Him in any way and God knows that.

So with that may God bless you and keep you according to His grace and will for you.

Paul
---paul on 9/14/11




Paul, I was angry at you because many Christians are counting that you teach Christian principles since you are a pastor of a Christian Church. The Doctrine of the Son of God, who is God in nature is the main essential of the Christian faith, and by teaching another Jesus you promote false doctrine. But I've come to the conclusion I won't be answering any heretics who speak against Christ, only those people who ask for help to learn. I'm sorry what I said to Ruben, and apoligized to him. No apologies to those who teach another Jesus. We already have hundreds of self proclaimed pastors teaching false doctrines. They thought they were called, but God has to reveal this Truth to them. Flesh and blood cannot, neither can I, it is by faith.
---Mark_V. on 9/14/11


OOPS - when I responded to Paul on 9/14 I apparently accidentally signed his name to the post. The post that starts: "Paul, I consider marriage very spiritual. The full statement was 'what appear to be non-spiritual matters'." was from me, not Paul talking to himself. I dont think I have driven him that batty, yet. My apologies, Paul, and to everyone for any confusion it creates.
---Rocky on 9/14/11


Paul,
I'm angry at you.
---Mark_V. on 9/14/11

Mark

I had you all wrong my brother, this is a very immature point of view.

You oppose me and agree with someone who espouses the exact same message because you are angry with me.

And I don't write any books nor have I ever opposed the deity of Christ in its rightful position.

You act like I have smeared Christ and I HAVE NOT, nor would I.

My Church Worships Christ every service for He is worthy of it, who else could come here in the flesh and make us an example of how to overcome sin in the flesh.

Or satisfy our sin debt,

I pray you will reconsider your stand.

I still love you though,

Paul
---paul on 9/14/11


Paul, I responded to Rocky's question at the end of his response. I don't know what surprises you. Do I have to not like him anymore for disagreeing with me on materials not in the Bible? Like the books you write? Here is the defference between you and Him. Rocky has not made any heretical views against the Deity of Christ. I'm not angry at him, I'm angry at you. You said you pastor a Christian Church, I told you why I was angry. Then you answered me if you had to believe what I teach, and I could not answer you, since the blog closed. The answer is no, you do not have to believe what I say, but you do have to believe in the essentials of the Christian faith to teach in a Christian Church. And you admit you don't.
---Mark_V. on 9/14/11


Ruben, the answer is God, His Word is authoritive. God through the Spirit reveals it to all genuine believers.
Is that good enough, or does it have to be some guy from the RCC who has some kind of supernatural authoritive power that no one has? You forgot about one guy around here who is sinless. God shows up at his house and take him on vision trips to the Great White Throne of Judgment. Are you talking about him or all those wicked leaders from the past who had multiple wives, concubines, and persecuted the jews? Why don't you educate me.
---Mark_V. on 9/14/11


Paul, I consider marriage very spiritual. The full statement was what appear to be non-spiritual matters. Before that, I had prefaced the post by stating that I was addressing the non-spirtual mind which can benefit from guidance. With those two I meant to say that that I was addressing guidance on a human level, or mental development, that may help spiritual growth. I am sorry if it was not clear. The brevity required by the word limit on posts sometimes make it difficult to be clear and fully explain oneself. Or perhaps I could have figured out a way to word it better.
---Paul on 9/14/11


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Scripture gives all the information we need. Mark V

Question: Who determines or has authority on the correct doctrine based on the use of the Bible?
---Ruben on 9/14/11


non-spiritual matters, such as communications and other methods for improving the marital relationship.
---Rocky on 9/13/11

Rocky

I completely agree with the usage of aides to assist and promote spiritual growth in all manner of relationships.

Nevertheless I don't consider marital relationships to be non-spiritual, do you?

Paul
---paul on 9/14/11


subject to the non-spirtual mind which can benefit from guidance (books and other) about what appear to be non-spiritual matters, such as communications and other methods for improving the marital relationship. Often this turns out to improve understanding and control of the mind that aids spiritual growth. The Bible is long on commandments, the "whats", but leaves out a lot of the "hows" that Chrisitians have found to be helpful paths to growth. Why ignore tools that can help us grow into better Christians?
---Rocky on 9/13/11

I don't agree on books created by man to guide people in marriage.
---Mark_V. on 9/13/11

Rocky, you have given some great answers,
---Mark_V. on 9/14/11


What?
---paul on 9/14/11


Rocky, you have given some great answers, thank you brother. I believe many books can help us in life, but no book is better at given instructions then Scripture. It teaches us how to live a godly life. While many things are not addressed that we encounter, what we have is the Word of God, not mans. Man fails all the time, and when you go to a Bible book store, all you see are books from man, teaching others how to live the Christian life as they see it. And if you noticed, there is so many difference of opinions. If everyone here wrote a book, a person would not know what Truth really is. At a Bible book store the most found book is by Benny Hinn, then Joyce Myers, and if you looked for a book concerning Christology, you might not find any.
---Mark_V. on 9/14/11


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I don't agree on books created by man to guide people in marriage. Scripture gives all the information we need.
---Mark_V. on 9/13/11

Mark

I am not jumping on you or anyone, I am simply asking you to post the scripture references which teach us how to love our wives as Christ loved the Church.

Can you?

And the only reason I called MEW out is due to his insinuations of the TRUE brethren implying those who use resources "my grace" are fake, which is bogus.

Thats one thing I've always admired and complimented you on is you refrain from judging ones Salvation.

Paul
---paul on 9/13/11


Mark, while we are still growing in the Spirit, we still are subject to the non-spirtual mind which can benefit from guidance (books and other) about what appear to be non-spiritual matters, such as communications and other methods for improving the marital relationship. Often this turns out to improve understanding and control of the mind that aids spiritual growth. The Bible is long on commandments, the "whats", but leaves out a lot of the "hows" that Chrisitians have found to be helpful paths to growth. Why ignore tools that can help us grow into better Christians?
---Rocky on 9/13/11


Paul, I didn't respond to you, the reason was you would jump on me as you did More Excellent for answering. If you had read what I wrote, I was agreeing with James L, that we do need Scripture and theology books to guide us through scripture. I don't agree on books created by man to guide people in marriage. Scripture gives all the information we need. People's experiences, visions, dreams, come from man not from God. Anyone can write a book, it does not mean it's authoritive. Theology books we can compare with the Word of God and get a better understanding of passages and verses.
I agreed with More Excellent that we are believers in Christ who have the Spirit guiding us unto all Truth, but that Truth is found in the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 9/13/11


Anything that contradicts or tries to obscure scriptures in not of God.
Don't listen to those who try to find a "hidden meaning" in scriptures.

God would not hide the truth from us. He means exactly what he says.
---Jed on 9/9/11

I liked your post Jed.
One shouldn't run with anyone until the witnessing scripture supporting scripture discussed is found. It is freedom from all man made or feels good doctrines. Freedom.

GOD does hide some things from some. His reasons not mine.
Luke 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables, that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Pearls to swine etc.
---Trav on 9/13/11


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In order to have a proper and productive debate of what the real truth is, you need to be SPECIFIC...Mark V, you say that I'm presenting an "arguement" (an arguement for or against WHAT?). I don't know what you think I'm saying.

I'm not saying that we should throw away, disregard, or ignore the collection (library) of holy writings (scripture). I'm saying that we have accepted many falsehoods and that neither the word "Christianity" nor "bible" are divinely inspired words (what you choose to do with that information is up to you). I choose to make that information meaningful to me and not let my UNDERSTANDING of TEXT interfere with my heart.

RELATIONSHIP ABOVE ALL!
---more_excellent_way on 9/13/11


I agree with James L, more then anyone else, he is right, that in order to appeal to the Truth you have to use Scripture to do it.
---Mark_V. on 9/13/11

Mark

Point out the scripture that show you how to love youe wife as Christ loved the Church.

Or how to go about renewing your mind.

Or how to submit to others.

Or how to follow the Spirits lead and so forth.

Their is nothing wrong with Christian resources with Biblical principles that assist in growth.

Paul
---paul on 9/13/11


More excellent, I don't know why you were criticized for answering a question. The blog asked for answers and got them from many, even from you.
I agree with James L, more then anyone else, he is right, that in order to appeal to the Truth you have to use Scripture to do it. You cannot get away from the Word of God even with your argument. While the Bible today is not the original manuscripts, we have enough information in the Bible for salvation. You are right also that we are moved by the Spirit now that we are believers, yet it is the Spirit who moves or influnences us to learn more about God through His Word. Salvation comes through His Word. And you cannot be where you are at without the Word of God, the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 9/13/11


To get us back on topic, let me summarize my position on the OP: I think whatever sources inspire you to a better life in Christ are good. The Bible, as it is translated correctly, and for the most part it is, brings us to Jesus and provides the most authoritative external source on Gods commandments and teachings. God gives us the Spirit for inspiration and guidance, particularly in applying his law to daily living, and it should be the ultimate source of truth. Other sources may be used such as pastors, churches, inspirational writings and music, etc. and should be encouraged, although the primary sources of knowledge and wisdom should be the Bible and Spirit.
---Rocky on 9/12/11


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No. I use "Bible Knowledge Commentary" and "Matthew Henry's Commentaries" to look stuff up. I also bought Charles Spurgeon's teachings and they are awesome.

I also read different versions of the bible other than King James. Sometimes I don't know what a King James word means, so I look up the scripture in either New American Standard or NIV and then I say, "Ohhh that's what that means." Like the word betroth.

When God said to me, "I will betroth you to me." I was like, what's that Lord? I grabbed my other bible and instead of the word betroth, the word married was used there.
---Donna5535 on 9/12/11


"Sorry Cluny, but I can't find those folks in my Bible.
---jerry6593 on 9/11/11"

I can't find "Ellen G. White" in the Bible either. But isn't she one your mighty prophetess, and your church accept her "holy" writings?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/12/11


Neither the word "Christianity" nor the word "bible" are in scripture. The word "Christians" occurs only once. The word "Christian" occurs twice (once used by an unbeliever, and once by Peter the denier). Jesus characterized Peter by saying..."you are not on the side of God" (Mat. 16:23).

The Jews in the O.T. had only the creation Father to worship, but God was not FULLY revealed until JESUS came with God's spirit (John 7:39). JESUS is the revealing "WORD" of God that BECAME FLESH. Scripture is the "WORD OF TRUTH" that we are to rightly use/understand...Ephesians 1:13 "the word of truth", 2 Timothy 2:15 "rightly handling the word of truth".
---more_excellent_way on 9/11/11


I think every Bible student should read about the history of the NT the many divergent manuscripts, issues of authorship, alterations by scribes (intentional and unintentional), issues in translation (both ancient and modern), and arguments over canonization, Then to understand the basis for just an English language NT read about the many English versions written prior to KJV, the Kings instructions for translation, the work of 47 scholars, and, subsequently the many printing errors and other changes made up until the 1769 University of Oxford edition that remains the standard text. Then consider the many revised editions since then. Jesus never said that he would give us a NT for learning but a spirit to guide us or so says the NT.
---Rocky on 9/11/11


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bible doctrine.
---andy3996 on 9/11/11

Andy

I'm really not nit picking, but you really should capitalize the word Bible for it is a proper name and God's Word.

I feel it is borderline disrespectful to not do so.

I also cant capitalize satan even when word tells me to, it's just me.

God Bless You,
Paul
---paul on 9/11/11


Most excellent way, agree with you there, but some read the book as a manual,free to accept
others see it as a legalistic book death and punnishment if not followed literally
and others again, know its a love-letter from God and treasure every word, and direction from and about their lover (Jesus)
---andy3996 on 9/11/11


(their relationship to Jesus is more important to them than the book/bible).
---more_excellent_way on 9/11/11

This is correct but the Bible is what teaches us to seek God on a deeper level and teaches who God is,is it not.

Paul said how would I have known sin except that the law pointed it out to me.

How would he have known that without the torah/Bible


Paul

---paul on 9/11/11


Igbnatius.
ALMOST THERE but it is rather
the problem was that these (heretical) books where books in conflict to what the other (canon)books revealed. so church-doctrine was not the foundation of establishing the canon rather the internal proof of the bible.
for the OT they used generally the hebraic standards. and the NT was then examined and compared (now do not imagine a study hall) with OT canon to verify if it promoted the same. this WAS nessecary because, as you stated correctly, alot of deviating books where present.for example that is why the sheppherd of Hermas, however in great esteem with the churchfathers, was NOT added to the canon. it was deviating from mainline bible doctrine.
---andy3996 on 9/11/11


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You can show favor to each other as FRIENDS, but not as part of DEVOTION expecting God to be glad that you showed love to someone for His sake.

Hebrews 6:10 "For God is not so unjust as to overlook...the love which you showed for his sake" (the APOSTATE DEVOTION).

Millions of brethren will not want you to believe that this is true (considering the harsh reactions I get). Jesus used the phrase "True worshipers" for those who would be genuinely spiritual and accept the TRUTH (John 4:23). The true brethren will not allow themselves to become a burden to anyone and will accept that The Lord's grace is satisfactory to them no matter what (their relationship to Jesus is more important to them than the book/bible).
---more_excellent_way on 9/11/11


//The Holy Spirit has also taught the Church through the examples of St. Elizabeth the New Martyred Abbess, St. Juliana the Merciful, St. Mary of Egypt, and other holy women.
---Cluny on 9/10/11 //

Sorry Cluny, but I can't find those folks in my Bible.
---jerry6593 on 9/11/11


"why else did these same churchfathers go through so much pain in defining canon, from non-canon books?" (andy3396)

And what was the "independant unchangeable testingstone" that the Ancient Fathers used to canonized Scriptures (and keep it mind that various traditions exited among the Fathers), andy? By the way, the reason why many of the Ancient Fathers (and later the Church' as a whole) decided to give the canon of the Scriptures is because many heretical groups where claiming to possessed books written by the Apostles (so they say). The problem was that these books were conflict to what all the ancient and apostolic churches were teachings.

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 9/10/11


Rocky,

Not a problem at all. Bless you, brother.
---James_L on 9/10/11


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James L - yes I was mistaken. Thank you for the correction.
---Rocky on 9/10/11


"independant unchangeable testingstone is apparent" (andy)

Yes. It is Holy Tradition, which includes Holy Scriptures. By the way, the Ancient Fathers never limited God's revelation to Scriptures Alone. While the ancient Church had the conviction that Scriptures were the supreme revelation of God, they believed many unwritten Apostolic Traditions were handed down in the Church through the successors of the Apostles. The authority the Ancient Fathers adhere to was all the doctrines, practices, and interpretations of Scriptures found in the living Tradition of the Church. Protestant Scholars/Historians such J.N.D Kelly (Early Christian Doctrines), and Philip Schaff (History of the Christian Church, Vol 2) agree.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/10/11


NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
---John on 9/10/11


Rocky,

I think you must have misunderstood what I wrote.

In my first post on this blog, I wrote that other works are essential for understandig the one book we cherish the most.

I am an ardent believer in the works of the Fathers, and I also believe that other works hep us understand context, such as customs, history, etc.


My coment toward "most excellent way" was nothing more than irony.

He/She claimed that we should not look to scripture for any authority. Then He/She turned right around and quoted scripture to substantiate the position that we should not look to scripture for any authority.

Less excellent way indeed
---James_L on 9/10/11


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The TRUE brethren
---more_excellent_way on 9/10/11

I am so sick and tired of people like you dividing the Body of Christ.

That Holier then thou attitude is what turns so many people off from God and His people.

You have NO authority to judge Godly matters such as this.

Ro 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

You speak of the true brethren, they loved God's people unlike you.

Get it right or you just might get LEFT.

Even your name reeks of self-righteousness.

Paul
---paul on 9/10/11


It depends on what the resource is: is it dead philosophies, mythologies, wrong dictionaries and ever-changing text books and worldly encyclopedias, manmade magazines and articles, antiChrist lies and faulty sciences? Whom is the author of the resourse? Are they proven to be born-again Christians, or are they unregenrate? I'm telling you as time goes by year after year, I am seeing an increasing number of ungodly crap being published and distributed in Bible book stores and among churches. I am all for- "Let's get back to the Holy Bible people, and let's get back to The Truth."
---Eloy on 9/10/11


James L. asks - then quote a bible verse as that authority to claim that we shouldn't look for any authority in the bible verse you quoted?

Since there was no Bible when the words of the Bible were written, how could there be any statements about it? The men that compiled and translated it centuries later excluded works that did not agree with their interpretation of the way. I ask you to quote me one citation in the Bible that states the Bible as we have is the authoritative word of God without error. In fact I challenge you to find one citation in the Bible that even talks about the Bible as a collected work.
---Rocky on 9/10/11


Jed Yes, the Word of God, as he gave it, is without error. But the words copied by hand over centuries, collected by men who made decisions about which books to include and which versions of those books, and as translated by man, does not carry that guarantee. Just read a history of how the New Testament was compiled, works selected, and the contention over them. Anyone who has translated any language knows of the difficulty of translating the nuances of simple thoughts let along complex religious ones. Then we have centuries of hand copying. Just look at the differences between the Vulgate and KJV for starters. Or the numerous old texts consulted by those doing a new version of the New Testament.
---Rocky on 9/10/11


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as i said before the source of every teaching needs to be the bible, we start from the bible "read whateve Cbook, and go back to the bible.
this is even truth about all spirituzl manifestations, the manifestations (whatever they are) need a confirmation by the word.
---andy3996 on 9/10/11


Ignatius, The Holy Spirit has taught the Church through
I cannot disagree with this, YET what WILL CONFIRM that it was God's Spirit teaching them, God's spirit? therefore the nessecity of an independant unchangeable testingstone is apparent. that's where the bible comes in. why else did these same churchfathers go through so much pain in defining canon, from non-canon books? as i said before
If the bible confirms it, we are to do what it says, in the line of grace,
if the bible contradicts it, we are obliged to reject, even when it "sounds good"
if the bible is "apparently silent" we are free as our consience dictates, and we should not bind one and another.
---andy3996 on 9/10/11


"No, as long as it aligns with the bible, rightly divided, which very few do.
---michael_e on 9/9/11"

Let me guess, "you" are part of the select few, right?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/10/11


The Bible is a book of the Church. Since the Holy Bible is part of Holy Tradition, it is wrong to read Scriptures in isolation to the Living Tradition of the Church. Every part of Holy Tradition (i.e., the writings of the Ancient Fathers, the dogmatic confessions of the first seven Holy Ecumenical Synods, ancient Baptismal/Eucharistic ceremonial texts, Holy Icons, etc) needs to be involved when interpreting Scriptures because Scriptures are part of this Tradition.

We read Holy Scripture, not as isolated individuals, but as members of the Church. How has the Church interpreted Scriptures since the 1st-10th centuries? How has the Scriptures been used in ancient Church worship services? Seek the Truth, and ye shall find it.

In IC.XC.,
---IGNatius on 9/10/11


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The Holy Spirit has also taught the Church through the examples of St. Elizabeth the New Martyred Abbess, St. Juliana the Merciful, St. Mary of Egypt, and other holy women.
---Cluny on 9/10/11


No. While many extra-biblical sources are available that may help our understanding of biblical concepts, and even help us to know Him better, the Bible and the Bible only is the final arbiter of religious doctrine. If an extra-biblical source (be it a book or a preacher) conflicts with the teaching of the Bible as a whole, then we are to reject that source and cling to the Bible.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
---jerry6593 on 9/10/11


The TRUE brethren find The Lord's grace completely sufficient/satisfactory for them and they will have no need/desire of your grace.

Hebrews 6:10 "For God is not so unjust"...You don't show your mother that you love her by being nice to your friends, likewise 'devotional love' should not be for the "saints" (brethren), but for GOD ONLY.

Jesus went to towns where the people wouldn't accept what they knew was true, they wanted to get approval first from their BOOKS and PRIESTS/ministers. Jesus said...

Matthew 11:21 "Woe to you, Chora'zin! woe to you, Beth-sa'ida! for if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes".
---more_excellent_way on 9/10/11


Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek ...all translations have a few errors sprinkled in ...resources should be used with great caution understanding not all who have written resources are divinely inspired by GOD

Holy Scripture IS divinely inspired by GOD ...few understand that by reading NT one is hearing Christ ...the WORD IS Christ Jesus who inspired Apostles to instruct True Believers to follow EVERY WORD of GOD Luke 4:4

centuries later, as Christ WARNED, MANY would come in HIS name - not a few ...mankind has a choice to follow and believe Holy Scripture or follow and believe men who reject and add their own doctrines ...why choosing resources can be so dangerous when aligned with false doctrines unsupported by Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 9/10/11


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The Holy Spirit has taught the Church through St. Andrew of Crete, St. Anthony the Great, St. Alexander, St. Ambrose of Milan, St. Aphrahat of Persia, St. Athanasios the Great, Sts. Barsanuphis and John, St. Basil the Great, St. Clement of Rome, St. Cyril of Alexandria, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. John Cimacus, St. John Chrysostom, St. John of Damascus, St. John Karpathos, St. John of Kronstadt, St. Justin the Martyr, St. Gregory Palamas, St. Gregory the Theologian, St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Mark the Ascetic, St. Maximos the Confessor, St. Neilos, St. Nicodemus the Hagiorite, St. Paisius Velichkovsky, St. Photios the Great, St. Polycarp of Smyrna, St. Seraphim of Sarov, St. Silouan of Mt. Athos, etc.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/9/11


more_excellent_way: you comment about ALL AUTHORITY is good, but that was said about Jesus Himself, and the Bible may, as Rocky mentioned, hae errors at least in the translation (in any case, different manuscripts have minor differences).

So we must accept that some danger exists in at least misreading the Bible, and at worst that someone, hundreds of years ago, copied something incorrectly.

We must hope that never occurred, and the Spirit has to guide us on that
---peter on 9/9/11


Rocky, you are sadly mistaken. The Word of God is without error. It does not contradict itself, you just don't understand what it is saying. How do you know the "spirit" that is leading you is the Holy Spirit if you don't have a final authority such as the Bible to check it by. How would you know that your preacher is preaching the truth without the Bible to compare? Or that everyone in your church tha claims to have a world from God, that it is actually from God? You may think that the Spirit has told you something, but if it does not reflect God's Word, do you think it is the Holy Spirit?
---Jed on 9/9/11


No, as long as it aligns with the bible, rightly divided, which very few do.
---michael_e on 9/9/11


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More Excellent Way ??

So you say that the bible is not our authority, then quote a bible verse as that authority to claim that we shouldn't look for any autority in the bible verse you quoted? Hmmmm


Less excellent way indeed
---James_L on 9/9/11


First, I beleive that the Bible is the best source of God's revealed word, but it has been compiled and interpreted by man and therefore is subject to error and even apparent contradiction. Second, since my mental mind still has some power over me, I find other sources helpful in providing guidance and inspiration. Third, the only true guide is the Spirit - given to us for just that purpose. I hope that some day my heart will be pure enough to not need the first two.
---Rocky on 9/9/11


"Do you think that using resources other than the Bible to learn and develop as a Christian is wrong?" No I do not think it is wrong. Christianet, at least in part, is another resource, is it not? All should be checked with the Word for confirmation
---Chria9396 on 9/9/11


The bible IS NOT an authority..."ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and ON EARTH has been given to ME" (Matthew 28:18).

Nobody needs to know the customs of the times, history, etc..

We have already learned the "knowledge of the truth" ("doctrine of Christ", the GOSPEL of salvation) when we were being "fed with milk". Now we should move on to MATURITY IN JESUS so that HE is our only foundation (no longer have a REPENTANCE FOUNDATION) and now God's SPIRIT should be our trainer instead of that doctrine. Self-effort works are dead/useless and we should have a "faith for faith" (Romans 1:17).

Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ".
---more_excellent_way on 9/9/11


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Books other than the bible are ESSENTIAL for understanding the one book we treasure the most.

Our understanding of the biblical text will be limited or broadened depending on how much we understand the customs of the times, history, heretics, and all sorts of issues.

Without Church History books, we wouldn't know about those heretics who threatened the early church, which is only hinted at in scripture.

Without secular history and calendars, we would have no idea when the reign of any Ceasar began. That helps us piece together biblical timelines, etc

Without a contextual backdrop, learned apart from the biblical text, we would miss some important biblical truths

I'm still reading and learning, by the way.
---James_L on 9/9/11


Sometimes, other people's writings can help encourage us in our faith and bring specific biblical principles to our attention. But do your homework and study the scriptures to make sure what your reading is accurate and in line with the Bible. Anything that contradicts or tries to obscure scriptures in not of God. The Bible is the final authority and is very plain. Don't listen to those who try to find a "hidden meaning" in scriptures. God would not hide the truth from us. He means exactly what he says.
---Jed on 9/9/11


Don't be a "biblical believer", be a SPIRITUAL believer so that you "NEITHER THIRST" (Revelation 7:16 RSV).
---more_excellent_way on 9/9/11

Are you saying we have no need of ANY resources including the Bible?


It is good to see all who feel we are to utilize various Godly sources to be a well developed and informed Christian.

Because I endorse Biblical resources I have been ridiculed here for it.

I promote books I know are scriptural based and that will aide in a Christians walk.

I always give a Bible and Gary Chapman's five love languages away to couples who undergo premarital counseling.

Because I know it will assist their developmental as a married couple.

Paul
---paul on 9/9/11


Is Bible Only Biblical? NO the word of God can come through the written word or by unpublished prophet.

SO we an say WORD OF GOD ONLY, but not bible only,
---Francis on 9/9/11


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If you want to be a 'biblical believer', you must always 'study, study, study' in order to constantly remind yourself that your "flesh" has been purified, but if you want to be a SPIRIT-filled believer, you must have a "heart of flesh" (instead of a heart of "stone") with "living water" (instead of 'text excellence') and your daily life must be your prayer offering to The Almighty.

God's spirit will teach us how to do what is right so that in our daily lives we will have a clear conscience (Hebrews 9:14 "purify your conscience").

Don't be a "biblical believer", be a SPIRITUAL believer so that you "NEITHER THIRST" (Revelation 7:16 RSV).
---more_excellent_way on 9/9/11


Absolutely not! GOD placed the Apostles, the Prophets, and Teachers in the Church to help us all learn more about HIM and His Ways. This would necessitate other books and study guides, etc.
---Gordon on 9/9/11


If you know God, it can be not so bright to go to sources written by humans you don't even know. Anyone, no matter how much the scholarship, still has one's own character dictating how that person sees and understands things . . . because of how he or she wants things to be. So, make sure with God > "Test all things, hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Also, we have "you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God" (in 2 Corinthians 3:3). So, we have people who are God's living message, examples (1 Peter 5:3) of His own meaning that words are not enough to tell and explain.
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/9/11


NO, but as faith concerns every "educational tool has to be founded and lead by the bible, and needs be second. (deutero)
---andy3996 on 9/9/11


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Remember the Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts of the Apostles? He could not understand the Holy Scripture until the Holy Spirit send Saint Philip to teach him what the Scriptures meant (Acts 8:26-35).

God sent men who have teaching authority within the Apostolic Church (Acts 13:1). Saint Paul recognized teachers as gifts of God to the Church (1 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11). This authority has transfer to successors of the Holy Apostles (1 Tim. 5:22, 2 Tim. 1:6, 2 Tim. 2:2, Titus 1:5). These teachers are given by the Lord to help us correctly understand and obey Holy Scripture. Saint Peter also recognized the Clergy (1 Peter 5:5).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/9/11


Some unheard men try to use 1 John 2:27 as proof that God did not ordained godly men to correctly guide the Faithful to the true meaning of Scriptures and the Apostolic Tradition.

Taken in context, Saint John (who was writing a letter teaching Christians by the way) was telling the Early Christians (in contrast to what the Gnostic was teaching) that they were indwelt by the Holy Spirit and that they have anointing by the Holy Spirit who shows them that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh (cf. 4:2,15, 5:1,10). The topic of Christ is what he was discussing in verses 20 and 27. Nature reveals that a God exist who is all powerful (Rom 1:18-20) and Good. The Holy Spirit reveals to the Saints the nature of Jesus Christ.

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 9/9/11


If Bible only you would be breaking hebrews 10:24-26 and 1 corinthians Ch12. What is the difference between listening to a pastor preach a sermon and reading a book by a pastor, nothing. Nothing can take the place of personal reading the Bible but God has placed great wisdom and discernment in many church leaders and pastors.
---Scott1 on 9/9/11


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