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Are Bible Genealogies Good

Jesus says, we need to live "by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." (in Matthew 4:4) So . . . the Old Testament genealogies are the word of God, aren't they? So, how can we benefit from what is in Bible genealogies?

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---Trav on 10/19/11
Blessing Brother.
God is Timeless...And the Word was God.
Jn1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, [and the Word was God.]
Aleph to Tav.
---char on 10/20/11

A GOD that can bring worlds, universes into our existance with a word. Selah. Incomprehensible in many areas to me. As it should be.
Believe, in view of David, Solomon....we get what we need and ask for....if.....

Like wise on tha blessing Sis. Need em in areas...as obvious. ha. Maybe forgiveness/mercy would be the better word.
My cup runneth over in many ways.

Outta here for a couple of days. Hear some fish jumping. Fish with scales. Have a weekend.
---Trav on 10/21/11


---Trav on 10/19/11
Blessing Brother.

God is Timeless...And the Word was God.
Jn1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, [and the Word was God.]

Bereshyit Elohyim bara [at-Aleph Tav]
"Building blocks" of all creation
Heb11:3 Through faith we understand that the [worlds] were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Ex31:18And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, [written with the finger of God].Deut 9:10

Aleph to Tav.
---char on 10/20/11


Trav, thank you for taking me back to the original post. I found my error. No wonder I could not make sense of what you were trying to connect. I was trying to follow your answers to Char and lost you on that one, yet it was I who took the wrong turn. It was my mistake, thanks.
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11

Well...we're about the same age. I had to look 4 times...and then was still wondering if I'd posted somewhere else or something. Ha.

Trying to fit some of this and work with my left hand ... I'm destined to post stumble.
---Trav on 10/20/11


Trav, thank you for taking me back to the original post. I found my error. No wonder I could not make sense of what you were trying to connect. I was trying to follow your answers to Char and lost you on that one, yet it was I who took the wrong turn. It was my mistake, thanks.
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11


complete chap 11 of Heb is given to commending those of great faith.
In which camp should the Christian reside-that of faith or that of scepticism?
---Warwick on 10/19/11

By your fear and doctrine the Bereans would be bad boys.
It is not scepticism ever, to test your opinion or any sales pitch. No matter how much faith you have in your opinion. No matter how many times you've preached,or been to france or how much money you inherited.
Faith is:
Heb 11
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Evidence of things not seen. Hmmmm.
Salvation does not hinge upon your earth doctrine or my search for truth regarding. Your fear does not spell faith in this regard.
---Trav on 10/20/11




I trust the Bible. Jesus says that man was made at the beginning of this creation in which we live-Mark 10:6. Then taking the genealogies from Adam to Christ means the age of the earth is to be measured in thousands of years.

If anyone rejects what God's word says, and specifically what Jesus says, then the billions of years are the go. But what Christian would show such lack of faith? Romans 14:23 "...and everything that does not come from faith is sin."

The complete chapter 11 of Hebrews is given to commending those of great faith. In which camp should the Christian reside-that of faith or that of scepticism?
---Warwick on 10/19/11


Biblical genealogies are usefull for a number of reasons. Especially to show that the age of the world is to be measured in thousands of years.
---Warwick on 10/17/11

It shows the timeline of Adams generations. Specifically noted. Clarification for a season and a reason, so it is by GOD.
Gen5:1
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him,
With what you cannot prove either, you use as a doctrinal faith whipping stick.
Shepherd, you drive away lost sheep to cuddle a doctrinal wolf.
Eze 34:11
For thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
---Trav on 10/19/11


Trav, still, Psa. 63:8 in the context has nothing whatsoever to do with what you were talking about. There is no connection.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/11

Mark...read the original post again. Can't find what you're referring too.

Isa63:8 was posted.
The scripture number is right below Psalms and it may appear to you to be Psalms.

I posted Isaiah.
Isa 63:8
For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.

Saaaneat Selah scripture. Children that will not lie:
---Trav on 10/19/11


Trav, still, Psa. 63:8 in the context has nothing whatsoever to do with what you were talking about. There is no connection. This was David, in the deepest words of devotion, this psalm expresses David's intense love for his Lord. And speaks of seeking God's presence (63:1-5) his remembering of God's power (63:6-8) and his anticipating God's judgment (63:9-11).
But thank you for answering. peace.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/11


"My soul follows close behind You, Your right hand upholds me" .....
---Mark_V. on 10/18/11


Here is some worthy search work Mark.
Right....contextual with Hand above is found 190 times in scripture. Tie us to scripture with some "right-eous" connected considerations...Selah?

Colossians 3:1
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
---Trav on 10/19/11




Trav, I looked up the passages you gave Carla concerning her quoted from Gal 4, which speaks of adoption....
The last one you gave Psa. 63:8, those passages do not say what you said. ---Mark_V. on 10/18/11

These verses posted to Char are an unfolding inside an unfolding. Char pursues all witnesses, listens to their testimoney and sees the movie playing out. These verses responded to me in searching the words "heir", "servant". Expanding,connecting,explaining and fulfilling of prophecy past,present and future. Signs & Marks. Anchor points of faith,truth.
U R fixated in Psa. I posted Isaiah. Isa 63:8
For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
---Trav on 10/19/11


Trav, I appreciate your comments. God bless.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/18/11


I'm more interested in people's conduct than in their theology.
Theology is not terribly important to me.
Whatever you want to believe is okay by me.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/13/11

You should be super interested in conduct of the people of Old Covenant times then. Their Theology is their conduct... or lack of Theology.

There are no confliction/contradictions in scripture....other than man made or translated.

This fact brought me back to scripture. Leaving the heretical dogma's,doctrines,denom's of men.
You represent an ideal. A modern universal one world man. Not wanting to enflame or be enflamed. Down the middle, get along good conduct man above any situation your in. Neither hot or cold. Lukewarm.
---Trav on 10/18/11


Trav, I looked up the passages you gave Carla concerning her quoted from Gal 4, which speaks of adoption, the act of bringing someone who is the offspring of another into one's own family, and couldn't make out why you gave the passages you did. You gave Psa. 14:2 where the writer is giving his view of God, and explaining the depravity of man. Later explained in Rom. 3:10-12. The last one you gave Psa. 63:8, those passages do not say what you said. You said:
"For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour." But David said,
"My soul follows close behind You, Your right hand upholds me" Here David was speaking of God's lovingkindness and how he would praise Him.
---Mark_V. on 10/18/11


Biblical genealogies are usefull for a number of reasons. Especially to show that the age of the world is to be measured in thousands of years. This contradicts the beliefs of compromisers and BiblioSceptics who distort, and corrupt God's word by reinterpreting it through the changine philosophies of falible sinful men.

In Galileo's day sections of the Roman Catholic Church rejected Galileo's ideas because they had accepted the 'scientific' thinking of the day which claimed the sun circled the earth. This idea was of course proven to be incorrect. But, what will those who have rejected the Biblical view of origins do when current long-ages/evolutionary views are discarded?
---Warwick on 10/17/11


Genealogies show timelines of lifestyle patterns woven in families whether they be for good or evil. These patterns show the rewards (blessings) of doing that which is good/right in the sight of God as well as the consequences (punishments, curses) for doing evil.

All those "begats" are vitally important for us to "connect the dots" & really understand God's Bible stories. I believe, when we examine ourselves (families, begats) the words of the Bible become real in our daily lives.
---Leon on 10/17/11


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Godiseverywhere, feeble try!

Can you show me anywhere in Scripture where God says you are free to believe what you like?
---Warwick on 10/17/11


Warwick, thank you for saying that what you write here, as well as what I and everyone else write, is fallible. That is so true.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/16/11


Godiseverywhere, in reality heresy is in God's eyes, our falible opinions are of little value. What would we know of God if He had not provided the Bible?
---Warwick on 10/15/11


Gal 4 (all)
1Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all,
---char on 10/13/11

Psalm 14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Psalm 78:5
For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:
Psalm 78:6
That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born, who should arise and declare them to their children:
Isaiah 63:8
For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
---Trav on 10/14/11


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You can trace Christ and the godly line, and compare this holy life to the antiChrists and the cursed line of sinners. Much like witnessing the brilliant and awesome Sunlight amid the foolish darkness.
---Eloy on 10/14/11


MarkV, I'm probably in some ways what you would consider a heretic. But heresy is in the eye of the beholder. I'm more interested in people's conduct than in their theology. Theology is not terribly important to me. Whatever you want to believe is okay by me.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/13/11


Everywhere" I wanted to make sure why you ask. praise God you are not attacking the Divine and human nature of Christ. I am so glad. There is already many heretics here ready to jump on that wagon. Char is right on with her answers.
---Mark_V. on 10/13/11


//God.is.everywhere on 10/12/11// ---Again I say...Huh?
The Father's Son is not heir to the throne? (This may not be what you are saying-but How I preceive what you are saying-please clarify)

Are you referring to Jer 22:30?
30Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man [childless], a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in [Judah].
Jer23:5-6,
unto David a righteous Branch,
[Sprout from the root] not from the branch Isa 11:1,53:2
(Tsemch)-the branch exclusively of the Messiah
Zec 3:8-10,9'9,Mat21:9,Is42-43,

Y'HVH[idkenu]tsidqenuw(YHVH our Righteousness)
-Mother's bloodline-(Word in flesh)
-Father is Spirit Jn4:24
---char on 10/13/11


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God.is.everywhere "I just don't base that belief on genealogies." Neither do I base my belief in who Jesus is on geneologies, but rather on what God has given me to see by His revelation. Geneologies is just 1 more of many many ways of confirming who Jesus Christ is.
---Chria9396 on 10/13/11


Exactly. Rev19:13
---Trav on 10/13/11
Amen.

Genealogy-Seedline of Heirs and adoption.
Lineage of the [True] Messiah-Y'shua-Immanuel, King of kings and Lord of Lords.
Gal 3(all)
19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,[till the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Gal 4 (all)
1Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all, 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba,Father.
---char on 10/13/11


MarkV, I have no doubt that Jesus was an incarnation of the Deity. I just don't base that belief on genealogies. I have no theological axes to grind. Whatever someone wants to believe is okay by me, especially if his belief causes him to be more kind, patient and loving. God bless. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/13/11


False messiah?
12 Imam/mahdi
Rev 16:12 kings of the east-sixth vial
-sunni believe mahdi(their messiah) is yet to be born and will descend from Fatima(daughter of the prophet mohammad)
-shia believes Imam is alive and will reappear at/before the day of judgement
They believe his appearing can be quickened by two events,
destruction of Israel they call little satan and U.S they call the great satan
---char on 10/11/11

Char...Steak! Mmmmm, keep that grill going.

(ishmael's inheritance...signs/marks)Gen 16:12
he will be a wild man, his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him, he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Exactly. Rev19:13
---Trav on 10/13/11


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//God.is.everywhere on 10/12/11//

Huh?

Jer23:5-6
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Rev19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
vs16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
---char on 10/12/11


Mary came through the line of Nathan tribe of levi and Judah-Two lines through Soloman and Nathan

King of Kings and Lord of Lords
---char on 10/12/11


"Everywhere" one favorite point of attack against Jesus Christ Deity is to deny its Divine nature and His humanity by attacking the genealogy of Jesus, did you answer for that reason?
One reason the two are given is that each one was written to different audiences. The genealogy found in Matthew is the genealogy of Joseph, the reputed father of Jesus, and His father in the eyes of the Law.
The genealogy found in Luke is the genealogy of Mary, as mother of Jesus, and is the human genealogy of Jesus Christ in actual fact. The gospel of Matthew was written for Jews. In Luke, Mary is the chief personage in the whole account of the Savior's conception and birth. Joseph is mentioned incidentally because he was Mary's husband.
---Mark_V. on 10/12/11


MarkV, if the genealogy in Matthew doesn't apply to Jesus, then it is irrelevant and should have been omitted. If the genealogy in Luke applies, then Jesus is disqualified because if is not a descendant of Solomon.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/12/11


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Jer22:30
Jer23:5-6
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Rev19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
vs16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
---char on 10/12/11


Hey "everywhere" Scripture does not say that Jesus is a descendant of Jeconiah. Because we are told in Jermiah 22:30 that no descendant of Jeconiah could come to the Throne of David, and Joseph was of this line. Yet while Joseph's genealogy furnishes the royal line for Jesus-Josheph's son before the law- nevertheless Jeremiah's prediction is fulfilled to the very letter, for Jesus, strickly speaking, was not of the seed of Jeconiah. If Jesus had been the son of Joseph in reality, He could not have come to the throne. But He is Mary's son and can come to the throne legally, through Nathan, by her marrying Joseph and so clearing His way legally to it.
---Mark_V. on 10/12/11


According to the Old Testament, the future king of Israel must be a direct descendant of Solomon, and may NOT be a direct descendant of Jeconiah. The New Testament genealogies show that Jesus was indeed a direct descendant of Solomon but was also a direct descendant of Jeconiah, thereby disqualifying him.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/11/11


Matt 4 (all)
Word against word.
The True Word of God against the false word.
True Messiah against spurious messiah.

The lineage of the True Y'shua Anointed in flesh-[Jesus Christ] defined in Hebrew is Yshua Anointed.
Y'HVH Savior [there is only one] true Messiah as The King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

False messiah?
12 Imam/mahdi
Rev 16:12 kings of the east-sixth vial
-sunni believe mahdi(there messiah) is yet to be born and will desend form Fatima(daughter of the prophet mohammad)
-shia believes Imam is alive and will reappear at/before the day of judgement

They beleive his appearing can be quickened by two events,
destruction of Israel they call little satan and U.S they call the great satan
---char on 10/11/11


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We know for a FACT Jesus came from the Line of Judah, and to not know this and Hold it dear, would give rise to anyone claiming to be Christ.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/11

Absolutely correct.

The genealogies PROVE that Jesus is who He said He is. By His lineage.

Just like my diploma proves that I am a graduate. Oops, that is, if my diploma is legitimate.

The genealogies makes Jesus a legitimate son of David and Judah.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/16/11


God put genealogies in the bible for a reason. Jesus lineage can be traced all the way back to Genesis. You can trace how satan tried to destroy the lineage of our Saviour.
---shira3877 on 9/15/11


Bill-willa, the words of Jesus ( Matt. 4:4 ) in the context were directed to satan. All 3 of Jesus replies to the devil were taken from Deuteronomy. This one from Deut. 8:3, states that God allowed Israel to hunger, so that He might feed them with manna and teach them to trust in Him to provide for them. The verse is applicable to Jesus circumstances and a fitting reply to satan's temptation. The word of God as food for any believer. Because a more important source then food, is the Word of God, it nurtures our spiritual need in a way that benefits us eternally, rather then providing temporal relief from physical hunger. Has nothing whatsoever to do with genealogies.
---Mark_V. on 9/15/11


Heck no. Adam was a coward. Cain a murderer. Jacob was fraudulent. Moses killed an Egyptian....Not good.
---tonne on 9/14/11


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These people you are attempting to lift up were not created special, simply chosen to be special.
..... a peculiar people zealous of good works."
..."a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, ... Tts 2:14>1Pe 2:9
---joseph on 9/13/11

Raise up? We're speaking of acknowledgement. Crafty doctrinal, avoidance highlights them the more.

Comparing your scripture with a witnesses.
Deut 14:2
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Hmmmm. Peculiar/Special.
Psalm 135:4
For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
---Trav on 9/13/11


Trav
You are correct in that God does show more favor on some then others.

Alot of times Rom 2:11 is taken out of context to mean that God does not hold favorites.
---paul on 9/13/11

Most likely. Foundational point is modern doctrines...presume, not by scripture,prophet, apostle or even context, that GOD's choice is annulled or switched. Error has no marriage with truth. Needless, when witnesses are thousands,scripturally.
Iroic that this choice of GOD is a "servant" people. Is a servant higher in position.
The jealousy may come from "ruling with EL" positional title.
Acts 4:25
Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
---Trav on 9/13/11


You only rail at the choice, not acknowledging the price or benefits.:o) You have read no rail from me. That would serve no purpose.
These people you are attempting to lift up were not created special, simply chosen to be special. Just as those created in Christ Jesus "are purified unto Himself, a peculiar people zealous of good works." The redeemed of all nations of people are a part of "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that proclaim the praises of Him who called [them] out of darkness into His marvelous light." Tts 2:14>1Pe 2:9
Again, How does the statement "No one man was created more special than another," dishonor the Father?
---joseph on 9/13/11


Trav
That does not make the chosen one special, simply chosen.


GOD stated it. You only rail at the choice, not acknowledging the price or benefits.
This people were his wife. Doesn't mean anything to you, but it is big to GOD.
---Trav on 9/13/11

Trav

You are correct in that God does show more favor on some then others.

Alot of times Rom 2:11 is taken out of context to mean that God does not hold favorites.

Ro 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

That is not what He is saying, he is saying He regards not a mans state or status whether rich or poor, obedient or not with the same favor.

Paul
---paul on 9/13/11


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He knows I desire to honor Him, and if I fail to do so, I want to know.
---chris9396 on 9/13/11

Very basic. Hate that we've all been taught too avoid scripture.

GOD chose Israel. 13 Distinct names of.
Scripture states the fact. Name means ruling with GOD.
To build a foundation disregarding or opposed to the prophets of Israel, through both testaments is derogatory, avoidance for whatever doctrine.
Really hard to avoid that GOD's Wife and love is mentioned by Ruling With name 2,318 times. And thousands more by analogy or lineage. Sheep,flock,servant,Jacob,sticks etc.
No honor in avoiding all OT prophets.
Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31.
James 1:1 to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
---Trav on 9/13/11


Trav
That does not make the chosen one special, simply chosen.

"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"
---joseph on 9/13/11

GOD stated it. You only rail at the choice, not acknowledging the price or benefits.
This people were his wife. Doesn't mean anything to you, but it is big to GOD. A wife. A people, special in that they are a SERVANT. Without loosing face, understanding the position of blessings.
Deut 7:6
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
---Trav on 9/13/11


The Root and "Offspring" of David is Mary .

No offence Paul, Jesus is the Word who became flesh through Mary.

---kathr4453 on 9/13/11

Absoluely,

All I am saying is that Jesus impart developed the lineage by being Josephs son in the flesh, not in the natural since.

Lineage is accredited to the males in Biblical times as it obviously points out.

I think we agree but through past exchanges hold a bias that needs to be broken.

Paul
---paul on 9/13/11


Well you're having trouble honoring GOD. Who chooses,creates does what he wants.
Trav How does the statement "No one man was created more special than another," dishonor the Father?
"You only have I known of all the families of the earth:" Father of course has the right to choose whom He pleases. That does not make the chosen one special, simply chosen.
"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"
"Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use"
---joseph on 9/13/11


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Kathr: Joseph adopted Jesus
Paul: Joseph was known as Jesus father

hold it right there, are you suggesting that Jesus was adopted, so legally he became son of Joseph?

both of you are arguing about exactely the same thing

nevertheless, it doesn't matter anyhow because both through Mary And Joseph Christ's desendance was from DAVID in the flesh.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh,
but what does Jesus say?
Luke 20:44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?
this is a mystery indeed.
---andy3996 on 9/13/11


Paul, Jesus ends Revelation saying,
I am the ROOT AND OFFSPRING of David and the Bright and Morning star.

The Root and "Offspring" of David is Mary .

No offence Paul, Jesus is the Word who became flesh through Mary.

And we all know it was from the Virgin Birth we got the Perfect sinless Lamb of God who died on a cross for the forgivness of Sin. Not taking away from Joseph His adopted earthly father, BUT Jesus only needed His Hevenly Father for that.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/11


part 1. Trav, I agree God chooses, creates, does what He wants. I take "you're having trouble honoring GOD." quite seriously, and ask God to search my heart. He knows I desire to honor Him, and if I fail to do so, I want to know.
I don,t understand why you say this "You'd kick GOD's servants & wife in the teeth. By whom you've seen light." that's a pretty serious accusation.
Rom 9:21
"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" No doubt about it, true. I note that formed is used as opposed to created, both are from the same lump of clay. if this verse is what is supposed to show what I quoted false, I do not see that here.
---chris9396 on 9/13/11


Sorry Paul, the OF WHOM here is referring to Mary.

Are you suggesting Joseph is the natural father of Jesus? Or the Adopted Father, or rather Joseph adopted Jesus, giving Jesus the Legal right to the Throne of David?
---kathr4453 on 9/12/11

When a child is born it is born unto both parents, and I am saying that Joseph is acknowledged as Jesus earthly father.

No disrespect intended nowhere or to anyone, simply stating what the genealogies reported.

God was Jesus Heavenly Father and Joseph assumed the role of His earthly father.

This is why He is the root of Jesse and the lion of the tribe of Judah.

Paul
---paul on 9/12/11


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Mt 1:16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.

Indicating that Jesus was born to the couple of Mary and Joseph.


Paul
---paul on 9/12/11

Sorry Paul, the OF WHOM here is referring to Mary.

Are you suggesting Joseph is the natural father of Jesus? Or the Adopted Father, or rather Joseph adopted Jesus, giving Jesus the Legal right to the Throne of David?
---kathr4453 on 9/12/11


Nero was adopted by his great-uncle Claudius to become his heir and successor, and succeeded to the throne in 54 following Claudius' death.
Joseph adopted Jesus giving Him the legal right to the throne of David.
The Throne of David is an earthly reign. There is no throne of David in Heaven, but God's Throne. Jesus is seated at the Right hand of God and sits on God's Throne. So for THAT, Joseph or his lineage was not necessary. The Word who bacame flesh Left His Throne of Glory and returned after His resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/11


Matthew never states Joseph is Jesus Father. It defers " Who is the Husband of Mary" NOT "who is the father if Jesus".
---kathr4453 on 9/12/11



Joseph was known as Jesus father.

Joh 6:42 And they said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, 'I have come down from heaven'?"

And the lineage agrees.

Mt 1:16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.

Indicating that Jesus was born to the couple of Mary and Joseph.


Paul
---paul on 9/12/11


Jesus is know through the prophesied Virgin Birth. And just for info, Matthew never states Joseph is Jesus Father. It defers " Who is the Husband of Mary" NOT "who is the father if Jesus".
---kathr4453 on 9/12/11

WOW!

Kathr

I guess we just don't agree on much of anything hunh.

When Jesus is refereed to the lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of Jesse and the root of David it is alluding to the fact that this is Josephs line and Jesus lineage.

When being acknowledged His own people said is this not the son of Joseph the carpenter.

Paul
---paul on 9/12/11


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This is true due to inner family relations, but Jesus is known through the masculine lineage of Joseph.

Paul
---paul on 9/12/11
Jesus is know through the prophesied Virgin Birth. And just for info, Matthew never states Joseph is Jesus Father. It defers " Who is the Husband of Mary" NOT "who is the father if Jesus".
---kathr4453 on 9/12/11


"there are no big I's and small U's among humans. No one man was created more special than another, ...
---chris9396 on 9/11/11

Well you're having trouble honoring GOD. Who chooses,creates does what he wants.
You'd kick GOD's servants & wife in the teeth. By whom you've seen light.
Amos 3:2
You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
Rom 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Isa 49:3
.. Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

Mark 10:44
And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.
---Trav on 9/12/11


Mary TOO descended from the Line of David.
Joseph, too came from the Line of David, as BOTH houses came from the Line of David. Joseph the MAJOR line, Mary the minor line.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/11


This is true due to inner family relations, but Jesus is known through the masculine lineage of Joseph.

Paul
---paul on 9/12/11


Luke 3, Marys Line:
which was the son of David,
32Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Boaz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
33Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Judah,
34Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham,
Mary TOO descended from the Line of David.
Joseph, too came from the Line of David, as BOTH houses came from the Line of David. Joseph the MAJOR line, Mary the minor line.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/11


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It's also wonderful to see Mary's Geonology all the way back to Adam in Luke 3 . This is also so important too to show Mary was not sinless or was conceived through an emaculate conception as Jesus was. So YES, Bible Geonologies are there for a reason.

We also know too that the Palestinians are in scripture are the Philistines,( GREEKS) coming from the Greek Island of Crete. SO Sorry Arafat, no such thing as a Palestinian Arab!
---kathr4453 on 9/12/11


"there are no big I's and small U's among humans. No one man was created more special than another, a misconception taught by some, for reasons that are beyond me." I like this, agree.
genealogies have become a bit less boring as God opens my eyes to see what he chooses. At first just long lists, seeing both Mary and Josephs lineages prompted me to ask why, and from why there's a lot on Jesus being both God and man.
---chris9396 on 9/11/11


Joseph, A-men. The Israelites wrongly thought that they were "better" than the other nations round about them whom knew not God and his words. They thought, I only have to offer up a sacrifice, then God will forgive my sinful living. So they lived in wickedness, and their hands were full of blood from their vain oblations and sacrificing, and indeed they became more wicked then the nonIsraelites that lived among them. So Holy God cut them off, and shed his grace to the nations and people that were righteous and obedient to him. Because a forefather was righteous and obedient does not automatically make his offspring also righteous and obedient, each soul is held accountable for their own righteousness and not that of another.
---Eloy on 9/11/11


I remember during sermon preperation one time that the Lord had me going over Matthew chapter one.

I later realized it was to tie the story of King David to Boaz and Ruth and ultimately Jesus.

Mt 1:5 Salmon begot Boaz by Rahab, Boaz begot Obed by Ruth, Obed begot Jesse,
6 and Jesse begot David the king. David the king begot Solomon by her who had been the wife of Uriah.

Through that I realized Jesus had incest, harlotry, adultery and a blended family in His/our lineage.

Realizing that Jesus claim to the Lion of the tribe of Judah and the root of David was through His step father Joseph.

But Jesus was still able to use such imperfection to perform such miraculous feats like only He could.

Paul
---paul on 9/11/11


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Most significant and beneficial to me is the fact that the genealogies documents and gives indisputable witness to the fact that " 'He' (The Father) made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation." Act 17:26 NASB. (KJV words it one 'blood', as in the seat of life.) And that Eve is indeed the mother of all living. (Gen 3:20) For a representative of every ethnic group on earth can be found in the Chronicles. Which documents for me that there are no big I's and small U's among humans. No one man was created more special than another, a misconception taught by some, for reasons that are beyond me.
---joseph on 9/11/11


Genologies in scripture are there for our edification. Paul gave his own earthly geoology in Phil 3 and said all that was dung measured to who we are now In Christ.

So when people say, I came from the Line of anybody, even royalty believing you're better than another THAT is what those verses mean. It wasn't referring to OT Scripture.

We know for a FACT Jesus came from the Line of Judah, and to not know this and Hold it dear, would give rise to anyone claiming to be Christ.

We also know that King Herod was not, and had no right to sit upon any throne in Israel. So when the anti-christ sits on taeh throne as though he were God, check out his credentials.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/11


The genealogies also give us an approximate historical time-line from Adam to Jesus. When you view this in the light of Mark 10:6 where Jesus, the Creator, says man was made at the beginning of creation it contradicts the unBiblical view of long-ages and evolution, which some Christians hold.
---Warwick on 9/11/11


It may be that they are there to remind us (or the Jews of the time) that their nation was descended in a particular way from people chosen by God
---Peter on 9/10/11


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God put them in the Bible. So, each one is important for what God put in each one. For example > the genealogy of Esau > Genesis chapter 38 > this shows that after Esau sold his birthright and had wanted to kill Jacob, still God blessed him to give rise to kings and chiefs of Edom. So, God did take care of him, he did not come to nothing. And, of course, he did better, to love his brother Jacob, even after Jacob cheated his own father. So, he ended up being blessed, after all. We always can do better, with God, even after we have failed inexcusably.
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/10/11


You can use the genealogies to trace Jesus back to the beginning. For example, Matthew 1:1-17 shows Joseph's genealogy, the man Jesus created to be his earthly father, and Luke 3:23-38 shows Mary's genealogy, the woman Jesus created to be his earthly mother. Also counting the genealogies will give you the age of the world from the time of Adam the first man up to today.
---Eloy on 9/10/11


Rom 15:4 4For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
---michael_e on 9/9/11


Thank you, Cluny, for posting and reminding us about Titus 3:9. Perhaps that should be posted in the header on every page to remind us all. Or maybe it could be added to blogger instructions that appear in the column on the right as we type replies. And in bold typeface. Apparently the top instruction, "Christ-like replies only" is sometimes missed and not followed.
---Rocky on 9/9/11


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Good question
Genealogies ...
While boring to read....
---Scott1 on 9/9/11

They were/are boring, who beget, who beget. Until, common thread running through is evident. Israel. Gen-Rev.
And the significance of. We would not have Christ with out them. It's who he came for. Entire book is about relationship.
Found 2,318 times by that name.
They are the 12. They are the 10.
They are Heb 8:8 and 8:10.

There are many jealous though....cannot tolerate the thought.
Eze 17:24 all the trees of the field shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done it.
---Trav on 9/9/11


1 Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law, for they are unprofitable and vain.
---Cluny on 9/9/11


Good question
Genealogies help us to see that God is in control. The genealogies in Matthew show that he indeed was in the lineage of David to be the Messiah. The geneologies in chronicles shows how the temple was restored with the correct tribes doing their roles after excile. While boring to read (does not have the action of Samuel), it shows God masterful hand at work throughout time.
---Scott1 on 9/9/11


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