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If Christ is God why did the Spirit of God come upon Him at His Baptism?

Paul

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"When God...calls Jesus His Son he is telling us Jesus is of the same substance (spirit) as God is, therefore the Son is God." Warwick 9/10/11

If Jesus is 'therefore God' because he is called God's son....he's got company.

"...The sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord..." Job 1:6

"...All the sons of God shouted for joy" Job 38:7

"...The son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God." Luke 3:38

"As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Romans 8:14

"And [I] will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord..." 2 Corinthians 6:18
---scott on 9/13/11


Trav,

Thank you, very much, for the encouragenment.

I've never taken the time before to thank you, but now is that time

THANK YOU ! ! !
---James_L on 9/12/11


Interesting watching the squabbling among the trinitarians on this thread. Trinitarians can't agree on exactly what the trinity is.

Trinitarians stumble over the identities of God and Jesus. Precisely what the trinity is designed for- clouding the identity of God and Jesus.

How can such a religious doctrine causing so much confusion among its adherents have come from a God of order- 1 Cor.14:33.

1 Cor.14:10, 'I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.' (NIV)

Warwick continues to promote polytheism. Warwick has 2 God's at Rev.5:13,14- 'God and the Lamb'.
---David8318 on 9/12/11


I dont want this to get nasty with you James or anyone, and perhaps fabricating is to harsh of a term.
But you do embellish or whoever your studying does.
To say it was common practice for families to only knowledge one son as begotten is not bore out in scriptures or Jesus not the Son till baptism.


And Seg I do sincerely believe you and I believe you walk closely to God, your witness of the vision God gave you on another blog was awesome and I total believe it.

Where I have issue is that it is no feat for GOD to come here and overcome sin.

I don't appreciate the name calling but I do love you all and pray Gods Blessings for you and your families.

Paul
---paul on 9/12/11


Paul,

Do you worship Jesus. If so, on what basis?
---Bruce5656 on 9/12/11

Jesus is my brother and joint heir.

God is my Father of whom I worship.

Paul
---paul on 9/12/11




Maybe it's best for me to leave a heretic alone to wallow in his own mire
---James_L on 9/11/11

Posting observations for sheep is no disgrace.
Consider fondly the many looking for scripture alignment. They may never post. They are the true seeker/searchers and are the ones who may benefit.

Not the muddy little power piglets'$ on a titled power trip. They make it possible for you to post pertinent scripture.
Eze 34:2
Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds, Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
---Trav on 9/12/11


"WORSHIPED- Revelation 5:7ff" Marc

1. Not Revelation 5:7.

2. If Jesus is the Almighty, why in this account (Rev 5:13, 14), is "The Lamb" (Jesus) described as separate from the one on the throne?

Vs 7 "He.. took [the scroll] out of the right hand of the One seated on the throne."

Vs 13 "The One sitting on the throne and the Lamb."

3. The "worship" is not necessarily directed to both God and the lamb.

4. However if it was directed to both, Vine's says:

"PROSKUNEO...to make obeisance, do reverence to...used for an act of homage or reverence (a) to God ..., (b) to Christ ..., (c) to a man, Matt. 18:26."
---scott on 9/12/11


Paul,

Do you worship Jesus. If so, on what basis?
---Bruce5656 on 9/12/11


"[Jesus] being the Son of God means He, is of the same substance as God. Therefore God." Warwick (1)

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them." Job 1:6

"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7

"Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God." Luke 3:38

"Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered...Ye are the sons of the living God." Hosea 1:10

Continued...
---scott on 9/12/11


"[Jesus] being the Son of God means He, is of the same substance as God. Therefore God." Warwick (2)

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. " Romans 8:14

"For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God." Romans 8:19

"And [I] will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." 2 Corinthians 6:18
---scott on 9/12/11




Paul,

I see what you mean by fabricating. Seems you didn't care to check and see that there is more than one word translated as "son" both OT and NT.

That's not pulling things out of thin air, that's called study. You should try it.

I don't anwser your questions? That is a bold-faced lie, and you know it, Paul. About the only time I don't answer your questions is when you ask about 8 questions in one post. I tried one of those with five really quick answers that still took up 125 words. What did I get in return? An accusation against my motive.

As for why I continue to engage with you? I honestly don't know.

Maybe it's best for me to leave a heretic alone to wallow in his own mire
---James_L on 9/11/11


Paul this is called voluntary submittion. subordination in mode of operation is the technical term, do you know that the father submits to Christ? John 15:16.
the unpardonable sin: to insult Jesus or even the father, no problem, you may repent, but insulting the Spirit no pardon's left, does that not make the Spirit the greatest in HUMAN TERMS? but talking about God, human words are insufficient.
---andy3996 on 9/12/11


Jesus being the Son of Man means He is of the same substance as man, therefore man.

Likewise being the Son of God means He, is of the same substance as God. Therefore God.

John 5:23 confirms this equality-Jesus being worthy of equal honour as the Father.

Revelation 5:13,14 "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!..and the elders fell down and worshiped." The lamb approached God's throne (no creature without a mediator can do) and the elders fell down and worshiped God and the Lamb, alike.

He shares equal glory with God who gives His Glory to none Isaiah 42:8. It is the Son's by right of being.
---Warwick on 9/12/11


This verse from Isa 61:1 clearly shows the trinity of God. "The Spirit of the Lord (Holy Spirit) is upon me (Son, he is speaking through Isaiah) because the Lord (God the Father) has anointed me (Son) to bring good news to the poor." Jesus says he is the fullfillment of this passage in Luke 4:18. Excerpt from Doctrine by Mark Driscoll and Gerry Breshears. The Holy Spirit is the power behind all of the miracles Jesus performed. It also shows us that we have this same spirit to empower us
---Scott1 on 9/12/11


Paul to someone who understands Christ is God.
How in the world are you going to say hes not?
When even the old world Jews, understood exactly what he was saying!
You want to look at Christ as separate, but equal, OK do that! Rom_14:22!

But, dont tell me Christ is not God.
No man nor did the bible tell me this!
I know you dont believe me.
What difference should that make to me or anyone?
Should I worry about you, why? If I in my heart know, Christ is God.
Why, should I worry about you or anyone!

Because they dont believe as I do?
For, the longest time, I use to ask God, Why!
I dont ask anymore, Gods peace Paul.
Amen
---TheSeg on 9/11/11


Fabricate meaning ? ! ?

I get absolutely sick of your baseless accusations against me. It is not my fault that you are so deficiently ignorant that you cannot understand scripture. You are handicapped by an exclusive appeal to English, esp. the KJV
---James_L on 9/11/11

I have studied many years and my accusations are not baseless.

I have witnessed your answers where you pull things out of thin air, and when confronted you ignore it and move on.

And ALL INDICATORS point to God the Father being a SPIRIT.

If your tired of it stop doing it.


Paul
---paul on 9/11/11


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Trinitarians are in a mind warp, not caring what scripture says,like:: Jesus asked the disciples who He was, which one said "You are God, or 3rd part of a triune or God in the flesh"???
"You are Christ ,SON of the living God" was the correct answer! Read it!
*****

AMEN!

Apostles NEVER GREET any other "god" ...pagan trinity worshipers dismiss the plain truth of these verses that clearly STATE two GODS ONLY:

Rom 1:7
1 Corin 1:3
2 Corin 1:2
Gal 1:3
Eph 1:2
Phil 1:2
Col 1:2,3
1Thess 1:1
2Thess 1:1,2
1Tim 1:1,2
2Tim 1:1,2
Titus 1:4

all these verses and more are VERY CLEAR - there are only two GODS - God The Father and his son Christ Jesus
---Rhonda on 9/11/11


Paul

If a man fathers 4 boys, we say he has 4 sons. But in biblical times, he would have 4 children but only one son.


---James_L on 8/24/11


Ge 6:18 "But I will establish My covenant with you, and you shall go into the ark-you, your sons, your wife, and your sons' wives with you.

James again you are wrong and trying to contort the Word of God to back you up.

The example you site is the only one referred to as an only son.

In the OT sons in the plural is used 1075 times.

Come on, stop fabricating and recreating in the name of Jesus.

Paul
---paul on 8/24/11


Here is why I say to you to stop making things up, you have a history of it.

Paul
---paul on 9/11/11


Paul,

Fabricate meaning ? ! ?

I get absolutely sick of your baseless accusations against me. It is not my fault that you are so deficiently ignorant that you cannot understand scripture. You are handicapped by an exclusive appeal to English, esp. the KJV

Don't accuse someone's intent and motives until you study, which it apparent that you do not. You read superficially, which is not studying.

the Spirit of God did not put on flesh. The WORD of God put on flesh.

John 4:24 DOES NOT say that God is "a" Spirit.

*** PNEUMA HO THEOS ***

Reasearch that one, Paul. Your ignorance is astounding. Who in the world put you charge of a flock?

Like John said,

YOU NEED TO STUDY !!
---James_L on 9/11/11


John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
---andy3996 on 9/11/11

That was the Jews interpretation, but Jesus said the Father is greater.

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Why did Christ differentiate?

Paul
---paul on 9/11/11


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Paul what follows are YOUR WORDS, and then say again that it is all the rest that doesnt understand// I'm not judging you but you really did not start of good, pointing it out made you to explode in dimensions i did not think possible for a minister.
Paul:
Jesus is the Son of God and the second part of the Godhead.
PAUL
I am not being a heretic, I believe that Jesus is God in the since that He is part of the God head.
FIRST POST OF PAUL:
I find it interesting that people are attempt to prove that Jesus is God but Jesus Himself professed otherwise.
---andy3996 on 9/11/11


Paul Jesus took G-ds exact name for Himself..."I AM"

So here's your (LLL) choices...
He is either Lunatic, Liar or Lord.

He was the one in the creation. He was the one who parted the Red Sea.

And he is the one (Shaddai/Hamoshia)(G-d the Savior)Predicted and then revealed in the FInal Testament of G-d. And so G-d revealed His Triune self in the Physical realm at the Baptism of The Christ.

ALSO...

Our Modern Christainity is contaminated with Greek Philosophy. The Hebrews never questioned G-d. They had no science(on Purpose).
Yet we ask questions that are beyond our understanding. (Triune G-d, Predestination, Salvation etc)


---John on 9/11/11


Arguing about this is like trying to convince Muslims that the Quran is wrong!
Trinitarians are in a mind warp, not caring what scripture says,like:: Jesus asked the disciples who He was, which one said "You are God, or 3rd part of a triune or God in the flesh"???
"You are Christ ,SON of the living God" was the correct answer! Read it!
---1st_cliff on 9/11/11


FROM THE Nicene creed to help you
...And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten begotten from the Father, THAT IS FROM THE SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER, GOD FROM GOD, LIGHT FROM LIGHT, TRUE GOD FROM TRUE GOD, BEGOTTEN NOT MADE CONSUBSTANTIAL....
****

LOL consubstantial oh boy ...no small wonder the pagan trinitarians even argue amongst themselves when viewed through the babblings of the nicene creed

either one follows and believes EVERY WORD of the Word Christ Jesus and OUR Father in Heaven ( the only GODS) or one follows the abomination of the pagan trinity 2Corin 4:11 the other "jesus" of a trinity by men

not one verse in Holy Scripture supports a pagan trinity - not one
---Rhonda on 9/11/11


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So at the end you'll need to come up that you believe Jesus is NOT GOD, only LIKE GOD?
FROM THE Nicene creed to help you
...And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten begotten from the Father, THAT IS FROM THE SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER, GOD FROM GOD, LIGHT FROM LIGHT, TRUE GOD FROM TRUE GOD, BEGOTTEN NOT MADE CONSUBSTANTIAL with the Father, through whom all things came to be, both those in heaven and those in earth
John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.



---andy3996 on 9/11/11


Paul, The triune God is One God, all three physical manifestations or aspects evidenced: Yahwah and Yeshuah and Shiloh is one God Almighty, not three. The Spirit descending upon Christ at baptism was for an ensign to all the world- "This is The One, Not from the earth but from heaven, Hear you all Him: I have come down to Save and to Reclaim that which was lost, for Christ Almighty I AM, The Holy One of Isra-el, and there is none other God besides me."
---Eloy on 9/11/11


Paul, Andy was correct in pointing out your conflicting statement 9.10.11.
---aka on 9/11/11

Though I agree with your philosophical view I disagree that I presented contradictory statements.

I may be wrong, if you will please re-post those for my benefit.

Thanx,
Paul
---paul on 9/11/11


John. A-men. "Note a virgin will conceive, and bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel, for God with us. For to us a child is born, to us a Son is given: and His name will be called The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 7:14+ 8:10+ 9:6. And Jesus clearly says of himself, "I am from above, I am not of this world: for if you all believe not that I AM, you all will die in your sins. You all call me The LORD, indeed you all say well, for I AM. I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and Ultimate, which from being, and which to being, and which coming, The Almighty." John 8:23,24+ 13:13+ Revelation 1:8.
---Eloy on 9/10/11


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John

Emanuel- God with us- After 400 years of silence God was back AMONG His people.

I said the HS was upon Him at baptism and why is that? Would the Spirit rest upon the Spirit?

John did stand in need of baptism from the Son of God, Im not taking Jesus power from Him, He is the SON OF GOD with all power.

Who was speaking from Heaven, Mt 3:17 and who was Christ praying to Mt 26:39. If God cant be temptedJames1:13 then how was Jesus tempted, Mt4:1 if he were God?

How did GOD die 1Tim 1:17 at crucifixion Lu 23:46 and why did Jesus declare the Father greater then Himself, John 14:28

Jesus profess to be the Son throughout the NT John 10:36 and men impose their will on it and make Him God.


Paul
---paul on 9/10/11


Scripture does not say that God is "a" Spirit, it says "God is Spirit" (John 4:24)
---James_L on 9/10/11

James

You are one of the few that will fabricate meanings of scriptures.

It does say that God is A Spirit.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit:KJV

And that same Spirit rested upon,not in, Jesus.

If the Spirit of God put on flesh then who was speaking from Heaven and what Spirit would have need to rest upon God the Father(Spirit)

And multi Spirit does not transcend my understanding at all.

Father Spirit, Jesus Spirit wrapped in flesh and Holy Spirit indwelling God's people.

Not so hard to comprehend.

Stop fabricating,

Paul
---paul on 9/10/11


Paul, Andy was correct in pointing out your conflicting statement 9.10.11.

Forget your own reason and forsake the pride that tags along. You did begin like other cults do by using some Scripture to make YOUR point ignoring other scripture. but, actually, if you use God's Word as it is written in totality, you can only come up with one Godliness made of three Divine Spirits.

i, too, believe that Elohim was always made of the different and separate spirits. they make up one Godliness. Is He Jehovah? No. Is Jesus the Holy Spirit? No. but, He is part of one Godliness or God as Judeo-Christians like to say. 1 Timothy 3:16. Jesus is God(liness) manifest in the flesh.
---aka on 9/11/11


Paul, very well done, bless you.
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth,

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
---TheSeg on 9/11/11


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Paul, your starting to fall for the trap all of us are in danger with here in cnet, you misphrased and now your unxilling to accept and admit. please do not go that way, i like the paul who has been posting here before better. remember honnesty & simplisity is not always honoured, but it is before the Father.. i know you feel attacked but really in this case it is better to reread what you posted and to admitt where you wrongly formulated your ideas.
---andy3996 on 9/11/11


Scott and brother JWs

''And he went and at once took it out of the right hand of the One seated on the throne...And I saw, and heard a voice of many angels...saying with a loud voice, ''The Lamb that was slaughtered is worthy to receive the power and riches and wisdom and strength and honour and glory and blessing.'' And every creature in heaven and earth and under the earth and on the sea, I heard saying, ''To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honour and the glory and the might forever and ever.'' And the four living creatures went saying: ''Amen!'' and the elders fell down and WORSHIPED. (New World Translation, Revelation 5:7ff)

Wow! Jesus given same honour as God and worshiped too like God!!
---Marc on 9/11/11


you really sounded like a JW, however your always busy refuting them.
---andy3996 on 9/10/11

I do not believe as the JW's believe, I feel they have alot of translations wrong.

However this is a sum of the problem here, If you don't believe lock step with those here on Cnet the you are a heretic or not saved or you serve another god.

Bigoted bogosity I say,we need to allow ourselves to die out daily to ourselves and take on the nature of God and stop the fleshly responses that are so wide spread here.

I do believe Jesus to be the SON OF GOD just as He said, If you take issue with that then take it up with Jesus for it is His own declaration.
I also believe Him to be GOD along with the Father and HS.

Paul
---paul on 9/11/11


How can God be Father from eternity if there was no other eternal Being to relate to and to BECOME Father he had to first make the angel Michael (aka Jesus)?

The Watchtower has an answer (I think?): ''The second Adam has become a life-giving spirit. In this capacity he can fulfil Isaiah's prophecy and become the 'Eternal Father'. In such a way the heavenly Father of Jesus will become the heavenly GRANDFATHER of the restored human family.'' (Worldwide Security Under the 'Prince of Peace', 1986, p. 169.)

Grandfather? say what? How about Great-grandaddies, Scott?
---Marc on 9/11/11


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I would explain why to you, but at this point it would be too advance for your understanding.

YOU NEED TO STUDY!!!
---John on 9/10/11

If you have the need to denigrate for your own selfcenterd ego, then have at it, I am way more mature then that.

What a tactic!!!!!

I think you may want to do a little studying your self, you can start here,Philippians 2:3 then you can go here,1 John 4:20-21 and top it off with, John 13:35.

I have been lazy by not posting scriptures, it is not that I don't know them, and from here on you will see.

Paul
---paul on 9/10/11


\\James
But if God is a Spirit, which He is.
And Jesus was God, which is a Spirit.

Why would that same Spirit need to rest upon the same Spirit?\\
---paul on 9/9/11

Paul,

Scripture does not say that God is "a" Spirit, it says "God is Spirit" (John 4:24)

The Holy Spirit did not rest upon "the same Spirit"

A multi-spirit being transcends our understanding.

A human is a multi-being as well. When I die, my body will be in a casket. But my spirit will be "present with the Lord" (2Cor 5:8).

Is my body any less "me" than my spirit?? No. It is "my" tent that I will put off, and put on anew.
---James_L on 9/10/11


One word Paul> Emanuel=G-d among us. Case Closed!

"YOUR" interpretation of the baptism of Christ is erroneous and flawed.

NOTE: the HS did "NOT" enter The Christ.
Because HE is G-d!

AGAIN.

John says: "It is "I" who is in need to be baptized by You.

The answer from Jesus... "Do this for now for it must be done to.....FULFILL SCRIPTURE Paul.

The Visual and audio Manifestations of G-d Father, HS, and Son were given at this very point for a reason.

I would explain why to you, but at this point it would be too advance for your understanding.

YOU NEED TO STUDY!!!
---John on 9/10/11


Candice Jesus is called the Son of Man as He is flesh, of the same substance as man. When God (who is not a man) calls Jesus His Son he is telling us Jesus is of the same substance (spirit) as God is, therefore the Son is God.
---Warwick on 9/10/11


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PAUL your opening statement o 9/9/11.
//I find it interesting that people are attempt to prove that Jesus is God but Jesus Himself professed otherwise.//

IN NO WAY AM I CONFUSED about what you said, however i know your beliefs, thats' why i warned you of your confusion.
you really sounded like a JW, however your always busy refuting them.
As you can see because your first quote everybody now thinks you think CHRIST IS NOT GOD. even a pentecostal unionist,who doesnt believe in the terminology of the trinity as stated in the Nicene creed, will kick your but about this.
so humor all and refrase your first statement where you specifically Said Jesus refuted that he is GOD i believe the seg allready used the scriptures.
---andy3996 on 9/10/11


Paul on 9/10/11
//I am not being a heretic, I believe that Jesus is God in the since that He is part of the God head.//

Paul on 9/9/11
I find it interesting that people are attempt to prove that Jesus is God but Jesus Himself professed otherwise.
you must agree that these two statements are completely contradicting or there's another paul around.
---andy3996 on 9/10/11


From long experience whereever the JW's go confusion and darkness follow. I believe they have introduced confusion here.

Paul, have you had contact with them which has lead to your apparent confusion. I mean no criticism but you do seem somewhat confused. You say you accept Jesus is God, but I remember you earlier would not answer questions about this.

I know some of us can appear hard but we are passionate about promoting the saving truth of God's word, and combatting error.

2 Corinthians 10:4-5 tells us we have divine power to demolish "strongholds",i.e. "arguments and every pretension which sets itself up against the knowledge of God."

Strong stuff!

God bless.
---Warwick on 9/10/11


Jesus is the son of God, not God himself. this is clearly shown throughout the bible.
---Candice on 9/10/11


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Well paul, do we have two God's, now?
For thou shalt worship no other God!
I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me!

There's only one God!
If he's not God, then he must be a man or Angel.
Oh wait, Before Abraham was "I am."
But, even before Abraham, All things were made by him! Including Angels!
God made everything. How can you have a man, before Adam?
Or Angel before God?

You are confused. Dont get offended, you are!
You say he's not God, yet he was here before anything.
Is it so hard to see?

Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
---TheSeg on 9/10/11


As i said Paul, you are confused, or you speak confused.
---andy3996 on 9/10/11

Brother, I think you may be confused about what I am saying.

I believe Jesus is the Son of God and God the Father is the Father and the Holy Spirit is sent as our guide.

Just as scriptures declare it to be.

What is confusing about that?

Paul
---paul on 9/10/11


It's like how rain which is water can come down on a lake (c: which is water, too. Just because the lake is not rain, this does not mean it isn't water!

Except God is not water, but love in different personal forms, like how a family of love can have a father and mother and children, all persons of their family love > "God is love" (in 1 John 4:8 & 16). God bless you, too!!!
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/10/11


\\When you try to take away from Jesus by saying that He is God the Father it minimizes who He was.\\

And who is saying that Jesus is God the Father?

Only people I know who say that are the Oneness, which is nothing else than the ancient heresy of Sabellian modalism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/10/11


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As i said Paul, you are confused, or you speak confused.
jesus was begotten before he was revealed (incarnate), he was begotten before time (eternal without beginning or end) begotten from the father, the substance of the father, light of light...

it sounds halfway trinitarian arian, with a few hints of unionisme. proof is that others interpret what your saying the way i do. two creeds are worthy of revising upon this subject, the apostles creed and the Nicene creed, their "formula's" are worthy of meditation.
---andy3996 on 9/10/11


//Mt 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,//
The 12 didn't do this(Acts 8:1)Why?
If they didn't "go" why should you?
---michael_e on 9/10/11


Look

I am not being a heretic, I believe that Jesus is God in the since that He is part of the God head.

I believe in the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, just as the Bible teaches it.

If that upsets any one I will not apologize for it.

Mt 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

When you try to take away from Jesus by saying that He is God the Father it minimizes who He was.

Jesus is the Son of God and the second part of the Godhead.

Paul
---paul on 9/10/11


This was done for you.
---Eloy on 9/10/11


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Hebrews 10:5 'Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me."'

This is the coming Messiah named "Jehovah Our Righteousness" by God, Jeremiah 23:6

To give us understanding, God who has no children calls Him Son of God. On earth sons are equal to fathers in substance, even if not in position. Just so with the Son of God. That He is God is confirmed by Hebrews ch. 1.

That He is the body prepared for the coming Messiah is confirmed by ch. 2.

You say Jesus never called Himself God which is untrue. However is there a disjunction between the Word of God, and God's word? Does Jesus contradict God's word? Never!
---Warwick on 9/10/11


Paul, Matthew 3:11 says God will baptize Jesus with the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 3:16 shows the Holy Spirit descended upon him like a dove. Doves to the Jews a symbol of purity of heart, harmlessness, and gentleness-Matthew 10:16) demonstrating in becoming man the Son of God/Messiah had humbled Himself, submitted unto death upon the cross. Though in His very essence God, He took the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness-Philippians 2:6-7.

God publically showed He was "well pleased" with the God/man Jesus. And was here and now seting Jesus in motion into His role as Messiah to His people.

It does not suggest any moral change or change in substance was being given.
---Warwick on 9/10/11


Paul, i think your confused,
1 the bible confirms Christ is fully God Isaiah 6:1-3 & Joh 12:3, John 14:10.
2. Jesus is fully man Phillipians 2:7-8,
(basically there are many different scriptures asserting to or humanity or Christ GOD. these two aspect of Christ where never in conflict.
it is therefore that trinity is the only logic "full picture of what jesus is" God and Man. since all scripture confirms both ideas , trinity is left alone as logic answerr. and i know that some will disagree , but basically whoever disagrees with trinity makes parts of bibleprophecy a lie, however you turn it.
---andy3996 on 9/10/11


I feel sorry for the congregation Paul is leading. He is teaching false doctrines and leading people astray, being on the side of Arius and his wicked dogs.

Paul, who ordained you into the ministry of Pastor? The early Bishops were ordained by those succeeded the Apostles. Were you ordained by one that can traced his linage back to one or more of the Apostles?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/10/11


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"If Christ is God why did the Spirit of God come upon Him at His Baptism?" Father limited Himself as a man, to experience life as a man. Phl 2:8
The Holy Spirit visually descended upon Him...
1.) As a validating testimony to who He was. John 1:33,34
2.) Fulfillment of prophecy. Isa. 11:2>42:1>Dan 9:24
3.) To disclose of the purpose of His sojourn on earth, and to anoint and empower Him for that purpose. Isa 61:1>Luk 4:18
---joseph on 9/10/11


Maybe its time to exercise a little of our faith until we know for sure. The one thing we know for sure is that the worlds were formed by the Word of God who IS God and the same being is now the person of Jesus Christ.

I think about it like water. It has three forms: solid, liquid and gas. All three in different forms, but all three still water.

Maybe the spirit form of God is something we cannot even grasp because as scripture tells us "heaven and earth cannot contain Him". Christ is the physical manifestation of all three "forms" of God sent to us in a way that we CAN indentify with. Maybe God is 12 dimensional being and a 3 dimensional creation simply cant even fathom what He is like
---CraigA on 9/10/11


PAUL, We not only have the Voice of GOD from Heaven saying, this is My Son in whom I am well plased, AND the Holy Spirit as well, all THREE.

Jesus after that began His ministry, but was first tested for 40 days in the wilderness. Satan offered Him all the Kingdoms of the world if Jesus would bow down to him. Jesus KNOWING through His own death and resurrection He would bruse satan's head and the Kingdoms of ths world would become the Kingdom of our Lord and Christ. Rev 11.

Paul, your question actually PROVE Jesus is God, for this was the promise in Genesis 3,15. That covenant Promise was from before the foundation of the world between God the Word and the Holy Spirit.

Did you say you were a pastor who wrote books?
---kathr4453 on 9/10/11


Paul, did you say the voice of God came from the Dove? Here we have the Holy Spirit taking the form of a Dove.

Do you remember Paul when Jesus was talking to the Pharisees in John 6, did He not say I AM that bread that came down FROM heaven. I AM the bread of Life.John 6:33
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
No meer man can give life, much less eternal life or resurrect anyone. End of John 6. Before Abramah was I AM.
God took the form of flesh to redeem man. There could be NO SALVATION to man what so ever without the incarnate God. Genesis 3:15 could never be fulfilled.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/11


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John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.


Poor Poor Paul will never LIVE forever or have LIFE eternal as long as he denies these FACTS.

Your question only proves you are not saved, to be resurrected in the last days.

Exactly What do you write about? That Jesus isn't God manifest in the flesh. Did you not read about the Transfiguration, when all His Glory was revealed to the disciples.

---kathr4453 on 9/10/11


Saint Jerome wrote, "For three reasons the Savior accepted baptism from John. First, because he was born a man, that he might fulfill all justice and humility of the law. Second, that by his Baptism he might confirm John's Baptism. And third, that by sanctifying the waters of the Jordan through the descent of the dove, he might show the Holy Spirit's advent in the Baptism of believers (Commentary on Matthew 1.3-13).

According to the various ancient commentators of Scriptures, the descent of the Holy Spirit as a dove during the Baptism of Christ' was a sign of the Holy Trinity. It was also a sign of the Spirit' taking action through Him (the commencing of his Messianic task).

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 9/10/11


\\Do you understand what I am saying?\\

No.

What's more, I don't think you understand what you're saying, either.

The Orthodox Church teaches and sings that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and abides in the Son, which is what was clearly demonstrated at the Theophany (Baptism of Christ).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/10/11


Because the Fullness of the GOD-Head is of Three Persons (Father, Holy Spirit and Son). GOD is ONE, but, it's "ONE" as in Unification of a Divine Family. NOT just "ONE" as in a single Person. GOD said "Let US make man in OUR Image..." Not, "Hmmm, Let ME make man in My Image..." Each Person of the Triune GOD is Divine and each is worthy of Worship, THERFORE, each Person can be called "God" in and of Themselves. But, always, always, always remembering that there are Three Persons in the Fullness.
---Gordon on 9/10/11


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Paul: The Lord God Almighty in Jesus Christ came to show/teach us the way. Many things that was shown to us in the way HE lived with us in the flesh is to teach us. The Spirit of God had to fall on HIM to teach us born through Adam that we need the Spirit of God on ourselves to live a God-pleasing life. I guess that you who asked this question does not have that experience yet, you need it.
---Adetunji on 9/10/11


Christ was not a "god" in the flesh - he was GOD in the flesh

very big difference

today Christ SITS at right hand of The Father in Heaven -no other gods mentioned in Holy Scripture

"Spirit of God" or the Holy Spirit - IT is not a "god" ...it is the power of GOD

if Christ was a "god" in the flesh HE would not require the power of GOD to do anything

that's why counterfeit christianity has incredible difficulty in understanding the great purpose of The Father in Heaven when they are unable to comprehend simple Scripture because they SEE Scripture through the LIES that are taught by lying false ministers

Christ said MANY would come in HIS name - not a few
---Rhonda on 9/10/11


But just in case you get an itch to deviate from the norm, here's another - Do you carry a big wooden cross around with you?
---James_L on 9/9/11

Mainly, 5 love tricks, covering marriage problems. Better than the Bible. He can't tell you what they are. You must spend money. Works with Philipino women.
Isa 56:11
Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
Eze 34:2
Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds, Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
---Trav on 9/10/11


Paul, I'm angry at you for posting your blog. You have the guts to question the Deity of Christ and call youself a born again Christian pastor. We have enough heretics already doing that why would you do that? You do not even deserve an answer.
---Mark_V. on 9/9/11


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James

But if God is a Spirit, which He is.

And Jesus was God, which is a Spirit.

Why would that same Spirit need to rest upon the same Spirit?

Do you understand what I am saying?

Paul
---paul on 9/9/11


Paul, are you an unionist, or semi-arian who doesnt want to admit it? or a trintarian who doesn't know what it means? in different blogs you have refuted JW's for saying exactely what your saying now, that jesus is not God, it's no matter if you accept their specific literal ideas here, it has the same line of thought. make up your mind, understand what line of doctrine you really follow and then ghet back to us.

Or Jesus IS uniquely GOD, whith clear biblical proof or Jesus is completaly Man now divine (born out of Mary and before not present as person)
or you see that Christ is Completely God and Completaly man (trinity) and now all seeminglycontradicting scriptures fall toghether instead.
---andy3996 on 9/9/11


Paul,

I don't have to prove that Jesus is God, His works validated His message that He is God.

You say that Jesus rofessed otherwise, so tell us - Where do you find that Jesus said He is not God?

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that you don't answer questions, so you can feel free to disregard that one as usual.

But just in case you get an itch to deviate from the norm, here's another - Do you carry a big wooden cross around with you?
---James_L on 9/9/11


Because this was a Trinitarian revelation, just as at the Transfiguration.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/9/11


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\\I find it interesting that people are attempt to prove that Jesus is God but Jesus Himself professed otherwise.\\

Then why did He accept LATREIA from St. Thomas, who said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"?

I find it even more interesting that you claim to be a Christian minister, yet deny that Jesus is God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/9/11


because we believe in trinity, so defenately all trinitarians and arians will start insulting eachother again, really useless.
---andy3996 on 9/9/11


I find it interesting that people are attempt to prove that Jesus is God but Jesus Himself professed otherwise.

OT Prophet did not have the same access to the indwelling of the Spirit that we do today.

Therefore the Spirit would rest upon them to perform Gods works through them.

Jesus also did not have the advantage of the Spirit indwelling Him.

That is why the Spirit came and rested upon Him and not in Him at His baptism to equip Him for His earthly ministry.

Bearing that in mind if He were operating as God why would He need the Spirit to rest upon Him if He indeed was already God with all rights and privileges?

Therefore Christ was not God but the Son of God just as He said.

Paul
---paul on 9/9/11


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