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What does this mean? Luke 2:48 and His mother said to Him, "Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously." 49 And He said to them, "Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father's business?"

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Paul,
I never said that Jesus wasn't referring to God as His Father.

Maybe what I wrote didn't come across clear. It started as 188 words and I had to shave it off.
---James_L on 9/14/11

James

Thank you for clearing that up, I really do appreciate it.

Paul
---paul on 9/15/11


Paul,
I never said that Jesus wasn't referring to God as His Father.

Maybe what I wrote didn't come across clear. It started as 188 words and I had to shave it off.

Some issues are too long for here, my username is
J A M E A 3 3 8 4

My point is that context, not capitalization, determines.

Both Pater and Patros, along with other derivatives, are used interchangeably.

Pater
Jesus' father Joseph - Luke 2:48
Jesus' Father God - Matt 11:25

Patros
Jesus' Father God - Luke 2:49
Zebedee - Matt 421

Patera
Jesus' Father God - Matt 11:25
Zebedee - Matt 11:27

English capitalization can help, but that depends on who is translating, and what they already believe.
---James_L on 9/14/11


\\You have claimed Jesus was not Gods Son until baptism before you thought this through and now your still holding to the bowls as she goes down.\\
---paul on 9/14/11

Paul, this is not something I have "thought through" like your philosophical pondering about God overcoming temptation.

Hebrews 1:5 says "You are My Son, TODAY I have begotten You"

That's what the Father proclaimed ON THE DAY of Jesus' baptism.

Hebrews 1:5 also says "I WILL BE a Father to Him, and He SHALL BE a Son to Me"

Those words were from Psalm 2:7, before Jesus was born.

If Jesus was the Son eternally, why would it say shall be a Son? Will be a Father?
---James_L on 9/14/11


\\In every version I possess or ever have possessed anytime you see God referenced as Father,Almighty, I AM even You, They or any contraction is capitalized no matter the location in the sentence structure.\\

Not in the 1769 version of the KJV, which is the latest recension before the ASB normalization according to American spellings.

Look at Pss 60 and 61 in the KJV (to give a random example). There you will find "thee" and "thou" in direct address to God UNcapitalized.

"I AM" in Exodus 3:14 is a special case.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/14/11


But in NO recension of the KJV are pronouns referring to Deity capitalized, unless they are the first word of the sentence.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/14/11

Cluny

In every version I possess or ever have possessed anytime you see God referenced as Father,Almighty, I AM even You, They or any contraction is capitalized no matter the location in the sentence structure.

Just as God or god in the Bible indicating false gods or the true God.

Paul
---paul on 9/14/11




It seems significant as per the Father, but it is not.
---James_L on 9/13/11

So you are still saying that Jesus was not referring to God His Father in Luke 2:49.

James he was teaching Gods Word in the temple, that was the business He was about.

Joseph was a carpenter, Jesus was not their doing repairs on the temple.

So whose business was He about?

You have claimed Jesus was not Gods Son until baptism before you thought this through and now your still holding to the bowls as she goes down.

No big deal, just admit you were not accurate.

Paul
---paul on 9/14/11


Paul neither is capitalisation part of the Original languages this is a "modern invention" the idea is showing respect to God.
---andy3996 on 9/14/11

Andy

Thus indicating that the original scripts denoted deity in its text for the translates to recognize them as possibilities for the capitalization to bestow honor.

Paul
---paul on 9/14/11


\\Father for God is capitalized, father for Joseph is not.

And in every KJV I've ever seen that denoted Deity..\\

This is NOT followed in the 1611 KJV reprint I have, though it is in the 1769 revision, the most commonly available recension in the USA.

But in NO recension of the KJV are pronouns referring to Deity capitalized, unless they are the first word of the sentence.

FWIW, in pre-Nikonian Slavonic, only initial letters of sentences are in upper case, not even proper names are if they are in a medial position.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/14/11


Cluny

I apologize If I were not articulate enough, but that was exactly what I was saying.

Father for God is capitalized, father for Joseph is not.

And in every KJV I've ever seen that denoted Deity.

Paul
---paul on 9/13/11


\\His capitol "F" Heavenly Fathers business.
Am I wrong in this statement or by determination by capitalization?\\
---paul on 9/13/11

You're making too much of capitalization.

Two different Greek words used in Luke 2:48-49

Joseph = "father" (pater)
God = "Father" (patros)

It seems significant as per the Father, but it is not.

2Corinthians 1:2 God = our Father (patros)
Matt 6:9 God = our Father (pater)

The words seem interchangeable at points
---James_L on 9/13/11




Poppa Bear //As for Andy, in the human carnation of Jesus, Marry was His earthly mother//
indeed we need to understand that Christ IS before he was born,making Mary Mother of the earthly Jesus, not the mother of the Divine, sadly some people misunderstand this reality, one way or the other.
---andy3996 on 9/14/11


Paul neither is capitalisation part of the Original languages this is a "modern invention" the idea is showing respect to God.

not bad, but sometimes confusing. i remember reading an article about a study wether or not they should 'decapilise the words God Lord etcetera.' in the bible since it wasn't a part of the original.
---andy3996 on 9/14/11


I think Luke wanted to show Mary's grief of losing her Son when he told this story and the rest of the birth story. It is still in the "...mother treasured all these things..." section. Also it took 3 days for them to find Jesus. coincidence? It also points out that he was 12 which is a transition period from childhood to adulthood. Also he was preaching a small start into the ministry. In another gospel he says I and the father are one.
---Scott1 on 9/14/11


The original manuscripts in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic did not have punctuation or upper or lower case and in some cases word breaks. These things are all created by the people who did the various translations, at their discretion and as such are an expression of their opinion of what the original texts were saying.
---Bruce5656 on 9/14/11


\\Through my studies I have found that anytime deity is mentioned in the scriptures it is capitalized.\\

This convention is not followed in ANY English Bible before the RSV of 1946 and later versions. In fact, not even quotation marks were used in English Bibles before then. (If you don't believe me, look at any KJV.)

The Virgin was clearly referring to St. Joseph as the foster father of Jesus, while Jesus Himself was referring to His heavenly Father.

What meaning did you think the passage had?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/11


Paul, I think you are correct with the capitalization thing. I have also heard that whenever Angel of the Lord is capitolized, it is referring to the Lord himself, as opposed to other places in scripture where angel is lowercase, referring to regular angels.
---Jed on 9/13/11


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Paul seemed to give a clear answer. As for Andy, in the human carnation of Jesus, Marry was His earthly mother, Josef by law the father, and as the second person of the God head, God the Son, he had no creator/parent. Not correcting you Andy, just maybe hopefully clarifying your statement.
In His loving grip
---Poppa_Bear on 9/13/11


It has been said of me that I am wrong in my translation of this text and I want to see what everyone thinks of it.

Through my studies I have found that anytime deity is mentioned in the scriptures it is capitalized.

In Luke you find the reference to Joseph as Jesus lowercase "f" earthly father.

In His answer Jesus determined He was doing His capitol "F" Heavenly Fathers business.

Am I wrong in this statement or by determination by capitalization?

Not to mention the Angels announcement to Mary that she would deliver God's Child to whom God the Father would be His Father to reinforce this interpretation.

Paul
---paul on 9/13/11


what do the words tell YOU? that christ knew that neither mary or Joseph where his original parents
---andy3996 on 9/13/11


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