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Can Christians Protect Themselves

If a person threatens to kill you because you are a christian, are you: 1) allowed to protect yourself by shooting him first or 2) allow him to kill you?

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Trav:
Sometimes it is very difficult to understand what you are trying to say. You often refer to terms like "rock puppies" and "hendoorocksus" whose meanings are not at all obvious.
---StrongAxe on 9/21/11

StrongAxe, so sorry. Was to Jed, think he understood, but if not....
Rock puppy's, are small false doctrines substituted for true rock. They feel like rock, but crumble easily.

hen-doo-rocks-us, is false hindu theology mixed with nuggets of Christianty. It's new...seen it somewhere recently. Mmmmm, may be called oneofmanypaths. Probably Aztec origin. Potterpuppies is new. One would just need to shorten name for full acceptance.
Malachi 3:7
Even from the days of your fathers.....
---Trav on 9/21/11


\\What's not said, was throw that nasty old sword away...never touch the abominable thing\\

What WAS said, which you are ignoring, is that those who take up the sword will die by the sword.

I assume this applies to firearms as well.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/11

Well sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. For every thing a time and a place.

David survived nicely. A man after GOD's own heart.

May the Lord give us the same wisdom and strength to be equally....Men after GOD's own heart.
May I be there for Cluny if needed, may Cluny restrain my enthusiasm when I want to chop,chop.
(Wasn't ignoring...couldn't get it to fit the restriction)
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Trav on 9/21/11


Andy3996 thank you for that interesting bit of information. The reason I said puny is because in Texas slingshots are toys children play with.
---Darlene_1 on 9/21/11


Trav:

Sometimes it is very difficult to understand what you are trying to say. You often refer to terms like "rock puppies" and "hendoorocksus" whose meanings are not at all obvious.

In your most recent post, excluding the parts where you quoted Jed and Jeremiah verbatim, there is not even one single complete sentence, just a bunch of disconnected fragments.
---StrongAxe on 9/21/11


I'm sure he didn't intend them to buy swords solely for the purpose of laying them down at their enemies' feet.
StrongAxe 9/21/11
No, this was a specifc interchange between Jesus and the Apostles just before he was taken. At least take the time to read the rest of the chapter. Obviously they needed the swords so one could smite off the ear of a high priest, see Luk 22:51 "And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him." Take care when generalizing from specific text. Also I have no idea why you address this to me, I have written nothing to this point about a persons right to defend or not defend ones self.
---Rocky on 9/21/11




Rocky, so just to be clear. You are indeed saying that the Old Testament is not part of God's Word, right?
---Jed on 9/21/11
No, wrong. Why do you make such silly interpretations of what I wrote? And would you please answer the specific questions I asked earlier instead of trying to evade them by asking me foolish questions.
---Rocky on 9/21/11


It amazes me at the number of people on these blogs that think the Old Testament is not God's word as well as the New Testament.
--Jed

Likewise Jed. Modern, rock puppies cannot or will not ask or seek to understand the pertinence of. A sign and mark in itself.
Unable to even verify what the "Testament" is about. A Covenant. Foretold in the Old. With written laws in the heart, by GOD. Meaningless....except to those it applies to perhaps.
Think we see your heart Jed.
Jer 31:33
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
---Trav on 9/21/11


\\What's not said, was throw that nasty old sword away...never touch the abominable thing\\

What WAS said, which you are ignoring, is that those who take up the sword will die by the sword.

I assume this applies to firearms as well.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/11


Darlene 1 the weapon might look puny...

the slingshot was a very deadly weapon, the armies of those days even had entire detachments of slingers Jud 20:16 King 3:25

i saw once a documentarie about David and there they tested a sling, it had the lethalicy of a light fire arm (it was however not effective for great distances).
---andy3996 on 9/21/11


Rocky and Rhonda:

If you don't like the Old Testament way of doing things (and I agree that we Christians should not model their lives on the old "eye for an eye" philosophy), how about New Testament ones?

The very same Jesus who preached non-violence and forgiveness said in Luke 22:36
"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

I'm sure he didn't intend them to buy swords solely for the purpose of laying them down at their enemies' feet.
---StrongAxe on 9/21/11




Rocky, so just to be clear. You are indeed saying that the Old Testament is not part of God's Word, right?
---Jed on 9/21/11


God enabled David to slay the giant and he didn't go after him with no weapon. The weapon may have looked puny but with the power of God working upon it,it did what David's faith believed it would,killed the giant. He trusted God. I would have to ask is it wise to stand there and let someone kill you. My answer is no and God tells us to be wise. People have said don't ever shoot just to wound when someone threatens you,you will only make them mad so they will take your weapon and kill you. I would protect myself to the utmost. I like me too well to let someone kill me.
---Darlene_1 on 9/21/11


It amazes me at the number of people on these blogs that think the Old Testament is not God's word as well as the New Testament.
--Jed 9/21/11
Do you follow all Bible commandments? Should we put to death everyone that works on Sabbath (Ex35:2)? Is it OK to sell one's daughter as a slave (Ex21:7)? How can we confine women that are menstruating for 7 days or ensure we have no contact with them (Lev15:19)? Or for two weeks when a woman bares a female child (Lev12:5)? Do you still give burnt and sin offerings to your priest? How can we stone people for cursing (Lev24:14) and not be sentenced to death ourselves Have you ever stoned anyone for it?
---Rocky on 9/21/11


Mark V what MArk E said, that's exactely what I am saying from the beginning
---andy3996 on 9/21/11


It amazes me at the number of people on these blogs that think the Old Testament is not God's word as well as the New Testament.
---Jed on 9/21/11


Andy, Mark E. answer from 9/19/11 is explained very well. We do what Christ tells us to do, and He also tells us to be submissive to goverment authorities. If we knew the goverment authorities were burning people in ovens, for sure we would not honor the goverment. In fact, the Spirit would put it in our hearts to fight for what is morally right. But if the goverment is acting to protect some countries rights to live, we should never refuse. If a person is truly born of the Spirit, he will know what to do because the Spirit will speak to his conscience.
In the Old Testament, there was no indwelling of the Spirit only on very few. In the New Testament, we are no longer under the letter of the law but under the spirit of the law, Christ.
---Mark_V. on 9/21/11


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...to lay claim Americans "won" all their WARS "in Christ" or for Christ as a "christian nation" and all their KILLING was justified ...it was only justified in America's eyes NOT GODS
---Rhonda on 9/20/11

But, he does come back, with a sword.
The Apostles will judge.

You'd rather lost the wars to the heathen, and the evil? Wow.
GOD takes care of Israel, wherever they are, when they honor/obey.
Deuteronomy 32:30
How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?

Even the war we supposedly lost....show Biblical losses to the enemies. Thank GOD.
---Trav on 9/20/11


Rhonda:

The same Law of Moses that said "Thou shalt not kill" prescribed many crimes punishable by death. The same God that delivered the Ten Commandments commanded the armies of Israel in war to slaughter entire villages, killing adult men, young boys, and non-virgin women alike. The commandment was about unjustified murder, not about justified killing.

Of course, one must be very careful about how one defines 'justified', but there are still cases that are pretty clear-cut.

If you saw a gunman in a school shoot a dozen children, and you had a gun, would you shoot him? Or would you let him shoot a dozen more, confident in the fact that at least YOU will go to heaven?
---StrongAxe on 9/20/11


Rhonda, can you seriously say that to the millions of Jews that where liberated from a certain death? DID the US ALWAYS DID GOOD?they made mistakes as Israel does, fighting for their life and the right to exist. maybe one day you'll live under the yoke of true dictators killing their subjects just for sports. maybe then you'll understand what i say.
to end i want to quote true sayings

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. ~Thomas Paine

The patriot's blood is the seed of Freedom's tree. ~Thomas Campbell

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. ~Abraham Lincoln

feel lucky others died for your unmerited freedom.
---andy3996 on 9/20/11


What part of "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword," do you not understand, Trav? (Matt 26:52)

I'm pro-choice about firearms. I choose not to have one.
---Cluny on 9/20/11

Me too. Choose to own your share.
What's not said, was throw that nasty old sword away...never touch the abominable thing.

Sheathing the sword ... a storage holster, for a time in need.
Some understand the necessary time to pull.
You will too,when a sword carrying buddy,Cop,Marine or fearless female neighbor arrives in time to protect a Cluny family.
Judged by twelve or carried by six? But will understanding, carry you.
---Trav on 9/20/11


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Andy you win sweetie

because in the END it WILL BE GODS WILL not mortal mans ...killing for ANY REASON is breaking the commandment

KILL to save your mortal life? Christ WARNED those who value their lives more than his truth would be in danger of the judgement Matt 5:21, 16:25, 1John 3:16

Christ never KILLED anyone

Apostles never KILLED anyone

there are no examples of TRUE BELIEVERS of Christ KILLING in the NT USING Christ as their means - to their END

to lay claim Americans "won" all their WARS "in Christ" or for Christ as a "christian nation" and all their KILLING was justified ...it was only justified in America's eyes NOT GODS your claim contradicts Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 9/20/11


\\What part of sell your garment and buy a sword do you not understand? \\

What part of "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword," do you not understand, Trav? (Matt 26:52)

I'm pro-choice about firearms. I choose not to have one.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/20/11


Wow. You really believe that Jesus wants you to kill?

You have no rights. You have no freedom.
The NRA and Jesus do not go together.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/16/11

What part of sell your garment and buy a sword do you not understand?
35And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

Luke22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

At least we know you're the type that wrings his hands or runs. Better to stand alone knowing that stand with you wondering.
---Trav on 9/20/11


Rhonda:

I believe andy3996 is from Africa, so he may not be as familiar with American idioms (and the particular dos and dont's that go with them) as many of us are.
---StrongAxe on 9/20/11


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Rhonda, your prejudgments makes you to read things out of context,
Japo-american was NOT USED HERE in an ethnic sense, it was used to ilustrate what would have happened IF AMERICANS WOULD HAVE refused defending their home. This includes the Japanese. I pray that your zeal, will be spiced up with patience and wisdom. if by any chance i offended anyone of Asian stock, the term used was to describe the CONSEQUENSES IF, and i repeat IF, ALL AMERICANS would have refused their reposability before GOD.
I LOVE THE US, AND I LOVE THE FREEDOM of THE STATES, i know and honour the fact that Americans have paid dearly for the freedom we live in worldwide. ESpecially the "Japanese USABatalion battling on the european grounds. GOD BLESS ALL
---andy3996 on 9/20/11


Strongaxe, we talk about an era 40-45 where majority would have been in church up to 95%. again you need to picture the total rejection of all Christians towards any form of viollence. I know that YOU would go to war, but i was reasoning towards those who refuse to do anything for freedom.
the revolt ghandi style cannot work in a wrongly doctrinated CHRISTIAN NATION, because the same guys that will turn the other cheeck will be the first to cooperate with the occupying force because of Christianity.
you know that on the russian front 2/3 of the "german armies" where from the occupied territories? they where there because their priests went arround preaching against Communism and that it was their Christian duty
---andy3996 on 9/20/11


Obviously you discriminate everyone suspected of racism making you as bad as a racist.
****
I have NEVER heard that term used except in a hateful manner

if somehow in your ignorance you picked up the slang word and have used it in ignorance than you have now been called on it

no japanese american would appreciate that vulgar term no more than any OTHER race would appreciate ANY type of slang term used to label them

when you CHOOSE to understand the NATURE of what YOU suggest from your post you might also choose to become humble in your approach RATHER than lash out and suggest I'm a racist (when I questioned and DID NOT IMPLY) instead you show your TRUE colors thanks for making that abundantly clear
---Rhonda on 9/19/11


andy3996:

Look how the followers of Gandhi were able to bring British rule of India to its knees by rejecting violence, yet also rejecting the unjust commands of the occupying power.

There are nowhere near enough Japanese on the planet to be able to force Americans to do their bidding, even if they refuse to use violence.

And also remember that America is a pluralistic society, and not all Americans are Christians. You can bet that even if all American Christians had decided to turn the other cheek, the others would not have done so.
---StrongAxe on 9/19/11


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Strongaxe: i totally agree with you. however the hypothesis we follow is "what would have happened IF the CHRISTIANS refused taking up arms". IF IN 40-45 the christians would have refused massively to join forces, how many Japanese would be needed to control the US? look at the evidence in history, it amases me always to see how little people where involved in the colonisation. armies of less then 1000 men could controle area two times as big as the US.
reason?
1 no local wanted the other local to be the boss so they rather cooperated with the oppresor
2 everybody believed there was nothing they could do about it.I magine a nation believing GOD does not want you to defend yourself. a pretty easy target i'll say
---andy3996 on 9/19/11


Mark, if the government would ever instruct you to do any thing that is ungodly or antiChrist, then you are to obey God rather than man. A ll flesh, including the government, must obey God whom is the Most High over all. When governments choose to diss God and his commandments, God plagues and detroys them ,and makes their land utterly ruinous and desolate.
---Eloy on 9/19/11


It seems many do not understand my position.

I am Christ's first and foremost. If He tells me to love my enemies, then I will do so, even if they decide to kill me. I could get killed just being in the wrong part of the city. I am under His protection, His authority, and His direction. Just as Job said, "yea, though He slay me, yet I will trust Him".

Second, His word tells me to be in submission to governing authorities, including the US government. If the US government told me to go fight and kill, then I would do so in obedience to them, in obedience to Christ.

Why is this difficult to understand?
---Mark_Eaton on 9/19/11


andy3996:

While Japan may have been able to maintain air and sea superiority over the Pacific, there is no way they would have had the manpower and resources to be able to actually invade and conquer the continental United States.
---StrongAxe on 9/19/11


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Rhonda Japo-amerricans was refered to the fact that if Christians would not have take up arms against the Japanese agressor, the Japanese would have won the War, so they would no longer have been US citizens but Japo-Americans as a part of the GREATER Japanese Empire with the Japanese laws of that day, and OBLIGED emperor worship. i didn't realise that the term was offensive. then again, anything in the US can be an offense. I wander how long before a Christian will go to court to endice unbelievers for calling him Christian?
Obviously you discriminate everyone suspected of racism making you as bad as a racist.
---andy3996 on 9/19/11


MarkV, about God's omnipotency, one should realise that GOD in his omnipotnce DID NOT stop the 400 years of slavery WITHOUT man rising and be willing to confront Pharaoh,
Neither DID GOD in his omnipotence slaughter the Baalpriests with fire from heaven , he used the sword in the prophet's hand. God DID NOT burn Israel down he send the Babylonian army.
Do i agree God is omni? YES, but God works in and through man,
you should read the declaration of independace. this founding document of your states says it all. I for one am glad that the CHRISTIAN USpresidents understood this, and did not "hope" for God to come down doing their job.
---andy3996 on 9/19/11


I would pray to the Almighty first, then have them arrested and thrown in prison for threatening murder, or else serve them court papers and sue them for harassment.
---Eloy on 9/19/11


Strongaxe, that was a wonderful story. As I was reading it, I was expecting to read that they shut the doors and began firering their weapons. What a wonderful ending to that story. And what a wonderful idea, though many left. Wow, I bet many of us would not know what to do under the threat of death. We can say one thing now, but if it happend, we could change our mind. Great story.
---Mark_V. on 9/19/11


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So should the world not have fought against Hitler and let the holocaust continue, to avoid killing an evil doer? Should we all be under Nazi rule today? Evil flourishes when good men do nothing.
---Jed on 9/18/11


Jesus says, "not to resist and evil person", in Matthew 5:46. If I spiritually prepare myself to kill someone in self defense, this can spiritually connect me in Satan's kingdom so I do get into a situation that I feel justifies killing someone.

But if I trust God to keep me and care for me, He can lead me where I will be safe, or keep me perfectly safe in "the valley of the shadow of death" (Psalm 23:4). And He will control what happens or not > "in the presence of my enemies" (Psalm 23:5) we can have all that God shares with us, of His own table before us.
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/17/11


realise that if christianity would live by your standards the world would be
A islamised or
B Nazi's
C Japo-americans worshipping the king as god.
D. communised
anything but christians.
****

japo-american? please tell me you USE that hateful bigot term ignorantly?

so you believe if Christians did not KILL GOD has no power?

I believe in a DIVINE Heavenly Father as described in Holy Scripture as having authority OVER ALL ...HIS WILL is always DONE ...mankind has no power whether with guns or without

True Christians do not KILL ...where are all the examples in NT of Believers KILLING their oppressors? Did Christ KILL? Did Apostles KILL? in fact all Apostles except John were tortured and killed
---Rhonda on 9/17/11


Andy, your answers don't mention God's Omnipotence. Everything was about man and the results if he does this or that. The plan of God is complete before Him. Nothing that happens surprises God? He
"Upholdeth all things by the word of His power" Heb. 1:3. Did you not know that "all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing?" and "He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand, or say unto Him, What doest Thou?" (Dan. 4:35). It's not possible that man can stay His hand. "Power belongeth unto God" and to Him alone. Not a creature in the entire Universe has an atom of power save what God delegates.
---Mark_V. on 9/17/11


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Years ago, I read a story that came out of an iron courtain country.

During a church service, two soldiers with machine guns suddenly entered the sanctuary, and announced that they were going to shoot everyone in the church, but if anyone chose to leave, they would be spared. A few people got up and left. Most stayed, and willingly accepted martyrdom. The soldiers then bolted the doors shut - then they put down their guns, and said "Please continue with the service. We too are Christians, but could not stand to worship with anyone who was not totally committed to Jesus".
---StrongAxe on 9/17/11


You cannot kill someone if they only threaten you. You should report them to the police. However, if they actually attempt to cause you bodily harm or death, and you cannot get to safety, by all means shoot them dead. It's your life or theirs. That's self defense.
---Jed on 9/17/11


Freedoms we enjoy every day were/still are sometimes obtained/maintained by guns-war-killing. Early Amish came back to US from Mexico because they didnt believe in killing, and they were falling victim to Mexican-bandits both livestock/humanlife. Though they're extremely anti killing/military/guns they thought it was in their best interest to live their faith out under the protection of the US-military like many of us do. Do we believe in not defending our self, but allowing individuals of the government to? If your a Christian-soldier does your obedience to Christ change according to some peoples enterpatations, or are we misinterpreting something? I dont have a bulletproof answer, but dont want to misread the principles in scripture either.
---Poppa_Bear on 9/17/11


Mark wether RNA (whatever that means) and Jesus go toghether i donot know
but realise that if christianity would live by your standards the world would be
A islamised or
B Nazi's
C Japo-americans worshipping the king as god.
D. communised
anything but christians. Christ indeed gave some good teaching and indeed he said "if my kingdom was of this world my servants would fight...
don't ghet me wrong, to start a fight and kill i reject . but to kill someone accidentely in self-defence i applaud. and so does God
---andy3996 on 9/17/11


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Mark E, I agree with you in your answers concerning a person who has given their lives to Christ. The rules Christ demands are not easy. Our worldly thoughts are been change through time. Many want their freedoms so bad at the expense of their committment to Christ. I do disagree when you said,
"The NRA and Jesus do not go together"
I don't believe Jesus said weapons were wrong, Peter carried a sword. It was when he used it cutting the right ear, that it was wrong. With money, its the love of money, and with weapons, it is how they are used. Having a weapon does not mean you are a Killer of man. I myself don't have a weapon. I don't go hunting, so have no need for one. But if I did, I don't believe Jesus would care.
---Mark_V. on 9/17/11


I tend to agree with Cluny. Jesus said:

Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Today, guns are more effective than swords, but the principle is the same.
---jerry6593 on 9/17/11


Hi,got to be real many times been threaten & so,far all I had my gr.mother told me "say the blood of Jesus" works so far everytime... Also,my life been in danger many times! I helped alot years back in crisis center,etc.. Most times,the worst type the scared type "try'n to be tough"....However,honestly,I would beprayerfull but,I woud try to save my own life (unless children or a pregnant woman) children are secred! If have chance have to defend myself!
---ELENA on 9/16/11


Luk 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

Luk 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell, yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

HAVE FAITH without it , it is impossible to serve him( The Almighty)
---Carla on 9/16/11


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a good christian deffends his home, family, and nation in need. again, if Christians would have tought like you, who would have been still free today.
---andy3996 on 9/16/11

Wow. You really believe that Jesus wants you to kill?

What part of leave your parents and family behind don't you understand? What part of deny yourself daily, take up your cross and follow Him don't you understand? What part of you are not your own, you have been purchased with a price don't you understand? Do I need to continue?

You have no rights. You have no freedom. You are owned by Jesus. He purchased (redeemed) you for Himself. Not for you to protect stuff that is passing away.

The NRA and Jesus do not go together.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/16/11


ELENA on 9/16/11, thank you for your kind thoughts and words of wisdom. I'm not in fear at all. I'm living as a Christian woman after God's own heart and if my ex wants to kill me, so be it. I'll be in heaven walking on streets of gold, hopefully soon.

Cluny, Cluny, Cluny, did I say he was after me because I was a Christian? I don't think so because I reread my response and I said, "He won't let go of his bitterness.....so Cluny..lol..what's your point?
---Donna5535 on 9/16/11


My Defender is STRONG...if it is time to go home?it is time to go home... ironically, i have noticed from time to time the temple does have a automatic self defense system...
---kevin5443 on 9/16/11


Sorry Cluny if I somehow offended you? My story about my friend was addressing some of the comments that the original question had stirred up about simply defending yourself and family as a Christian. Is that out of line here, addressing others comments that may somewhat vary from the opening question? I guess I need to learn the boards do's/don'ts
In His loving grip
---Poppa_Bear on 9/16/11


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Ronda, the commandment is not KILL, it is the Hebrew term is Ratsach,[only used a few verses in the entire old Testament], mostly associated with a revenge killing the better English rendering would be assonate, lying in wait to kill a member of one own tribe. The commandment is directed against Blood feuds. These became common in Israel after the conquest of Canaan to such an extent that certain cities were designated cities of refuge where a person could be safe from a blood feud assignation.
---Blogger9211 on 9/16/11


Mark two questions,
are you rich? and where do you live? LOL
its like that bumpersticker "unarmed and proud"
a good christian deffends his home, family, and nation in need. again, if Christians would have tought like you, who would have been still free today.
---andy3996 on 9/16/11


to Donna5535, my most faithfull & heart goes out to you! Let me encourage you,yes..I had a person just like your ex. Even after leave Fear gripp me. Now,he doesn't even recognize me! That's God for you! Sister,I believe n prayer! I am very adamant pray for you be released from that evil spirit of fear,the Lord thru the Holy Spirit can change that man whole mind. God has the power do anything! My ex- he afraid to leave the house! Prayer changes things.. Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 9/16/11


many rationalize killing

once you rationalize the killing as justifiable then enters a whole host of ways to continue to justify any killing ...one reason abortion is justifiable is the label suggests something other than killing another human being - yet abortion is killing

why would one meditate on an expectation of an evil event and whether or not they are justified in killing someone with that imaginary threat when we are to pray to The Father in Heaven to KEEP us from evil
---Rhonda on 9/16/11


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\\My Christian/brother heard a gunshot in his house, robbers shot his brother-in-law, kids crying, sister hysterical and brother-in-law still fighting the gunmen with a bullet in his side.\\

Et reliqua.

And this relates to the original question, which is about resistance or non-resistance to threats against your life because you are a Christian just how?

A Christian who is killed by a common garden variety thug for reasons having nothing to do with his faith is not necessarily a martyr.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/15/11


For me, my answer is I am not going to kill to protect myself and certainly not to protect "my" property.

I have asked this question to most people I know. I have been shocked by the answers.

How can we kill someone when Christ tells us to "love our enemies"? If that person is not your enemy, then I dont know who is your enemy. And killing them first certainly is not loving them.

Self-denial is just that, denying self at all costs. Even to life itself.

Rom 8:38 "For I am persuaded that neither DEATH nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come...shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord".
---Mark_Eaton on 9/15/11


candice, I know you are a woman after God's own heart, but I tend to disagree with you here (no offense, okay?) I think we should let someone kill us for Jesus's sake and name...to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, what better thing can happen to us?

Scott, I agree, living for Jesus is hard because we aren't living "IN" Christ Jesus. In HIM, we live, and move and have our being and there is a secret place we can hide and have the Peace of God in our hearts that surpasses all understanding, amen?
---Donna5535 on 9/15/11


My Christian/brother heard a gunshot in his house, robbers shot his brother-in-law, kids crying, sister hysterical and brother-in-law still fighting the gunmen with a bullet in his side. My friend ran to the gunman and shot him in the head, the other intruder ran off. My friends family/children could have all been murdered. Sometimes we will be called to protect ourselves and others from the wicked. Are the scenarios black/white? No they are often not but we try to gleem understanding from the different sittuations shown us in the bible, and we have Gods Spirit/Angels/prayer and the testimony of others to help guide us through each unique situation and I trust in that if I have to make that choice someday, He will be with me.
---Poppa_Bear on 9/15/11


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There are so many different circumstances to consider, this doesnt even account for the Christian idea of Just War which is a Doctrine in itself. As far as dying for Christ, I believe that is an honor, perhaps the greatest, but even with that said, we have situations where the Apostles and others throughout history evaded/escaped death and were still in Gods will at the time. The leading of the Spirit of God is really the mane denominator in many situations/IMO. There is a set time/day for each man/woman to die and in spite of us it will happen, so I trust God to supply me with the tools to die when it is time, or defend my life when it is time.
---Poppa_Bear on 9/15/11


\\I'm actually in a situation now with my ex-husband stalking me. He's telling everyone he's going to kill me (he went out and bought a gun)\\

Have you had a restraining order placed against him?

BTW--your husband is obviously not stalking you because you are a Christian. He's stalking and threatening because he's bitter. Big difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/15/11


if for Chrst's sake we wear the crown of a martyr with pride. any other reason i'll kick you but and even if i have to destroy i will, noone touches my family.

on the other hand i am gratefull that the erronc popes did decide to send bad armies against the poor innocent muslim, if he would not have done this there wouldn't have been any Christianet.
---andy3996 on 9/15/11




Ecclesiastes 4:12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him, and a threefold cord is not quickly broken
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Luke 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

Luke 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here [are] two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.


So yes we can protect ourself
---Francis on 9/15/11


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if a person attacks you in your own home, or anywhere else, and noone can help you then you are allowed to defend yourself. this should be done reguardless of someones religion.
---candice on 9/15/11


Christians are to be humble not weak. Paul survived many times while being stoned and left for dead, and severly whipped many many times. Do not accept surrender because someone wants to kill you. Being a martyr is not about willing to die for Christ but living for Christ no matter the cost. If you can get out of a situation do it. However if you cannot face it boldly.
---Scott1 on 9/15/11


Steveng, I too am curious as to why you're asking this question, but my response would be #2...I would allow him to kill me.

I'm actually in a situation now with my ex-husband stalking me. He's telling everyone he's going to kill me (he went out and bought a gun) We've been divorced since 2001 but he won't let his bitterness go. What do I do? NADA! NOTHING! I pray, I worship God, I walk with Jesus and if he shows up at my work or home, I will tell him, when you shoot me, make sure you send me home to be with the Lord INSTANTLY..he's the kind that would shoot me and only paralyze me..he's that evil...but I would let him shoot me...I would NOT protect myself. I'm afraid of guns.
---Donna5535 on 9/15/11


First we ought to pray for the person who threatens to kill you Because the bible to the believer vengeance is God,s and he will repay we do not have to take matter in our own hands God will protect us.The bible thou shall not kill
---Mr_Wilcher on 9/15/11


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Speaking only for myself:

I am willing to die for Jesus.

I'm not willing to kill for Him.

As He Himself said in such a situation, "Those who take up the sword shall die by the sword."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/15/11


Steven, I looked to see who put the blog question and saw it was you, so I was curious why you asked the question? Are you looking for an answer or are you judging Christians as to their conduct? Why don't you tell us what you believe is the correct answer you would give concerning your question? I would like to hear what you believe.
---Mark_V. on 9/14/11


Look what they did to Jesus. Christians shouldn't kill unless its Gods army during war. Women and children should be exempt
---tonne on 9/14/11


As God authorized Joshua to commit genocide on numerous occasions in the conquest of Canaan feel free to defend yourself.
---Blogger9211 on 9/14/11


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I've asked this question at church and many people just go silent. I think that this is one of those "Forbidden" questions.

Anyway, you have the "Right" to defend yourself from criminals. Even if that involves Killing them.

Just remember that either Killing, or Injuring, someone will most likely involve a lengthy police investigation.

If possible, I would contact the police about whoever threatened you and let law enforcement handle the matter.

God allows evil, including crime, so defending yourself is permissble.
---Sag on 9/14/11


Steveng, having trouble with a hunting buddy?. Tell the police they threatened your life and also that gunplay is involved so that it is on file that they are the aggressor (VERY important). If it crosses state lines, it becomes a FEDERAL matter also. PURSUING/chasing someone is conspiracy to commit premeditated murder. In scripture "an eye for an eye" means 'a life for a life' (ONLY IF YOU ARE ATTACKED and the aggressor has decided that someone will die, you can decide WHO...them OR you), but do not pursue them, let the police do their job. The laws about self-protection were always 'sketchy'. Judges and juries today are very prudish and reluctant to uphold any self-defense laws. Could it be an empty threat, panicking about a bluff?
---more_excellent_way on 9/14/11


You have an obligation to your family to protect them.

You also have an obligation to preserve your own life.

If you consider the nature of God in the OT and apply His teachings from their you will find that His teaching to turn the other cheek was not implied to allow people to physically harm you.

It was to teach us to utilize humility in out lives.

Paul
---paul on 9/14/11


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