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What Is A Double Portion

What was Elisha asking Elijah for in 2 Kings 2:9 when he asked for a double portion of Elijah's spirit? Other than the doubled works.

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Steven 2: God has provide for us in this age to have all necessary gifts to accomplish what God wants us to do. Great man from the past whom the Holy Spirit guided did a lot of work for us. Every single individual with his own gift. That's why the Bible survived because of the work of the Holy Spirit. And at this present time there is no excuse for anyone not to learn. Praise God, He took care of that for all of us. Scripture closed. And now we have His Word in order. I don't think undoing what great man did through history guided by the Spirit is a good idea.
---Mark_V. on 10/1/11


Steven, if you are talking about the New Testament, they knew by what came first and second, concerning the gospels, they could be in any order. The rest of the New Testament, was done by what came next and the age of the events, the years the letters were written, whether they were the first or second letters. Also by what happened in history to each group of believers, even the culture at the time. All was done for you and me. Lucky someone did the work for us. Yet you want people to remove what was done for us. Mix everything up, and that that will make you wiser or have more knowledge. Just not true at all. It would take you and me a life time to know all those things.
---Mark_V. on 9/30/11


Mark_V.: "Steven, your answer is rediculous."

I didn't mention anything about the books of the bible, I refered only to the chapters and verse numbers. The books could be arranged in chronological order and the "way" they are written as in a journal.

The letters you mentioned are the epistles of the bible - the letters written by the apostles.

Mark_V.: "You are lucky you have it in order,.."

How do you suppose the early christians read God's Word since chapter numbers and verse numbers were written only three hundred years ago.
---Steveng on 9/29/11


Steven, your answer is rediculous. You cannot compare a letter to Scripture. Of course if you remove the letters and numbers from you Bible today, you would have the Bible in order with the numbers and letters removed. But if you had the manuscripts before you without numbers or letters you might know what came first, but after that you would be lost. Someone already did that for you through the centuries. Everthing that is written was written through time. You would need to know the cultures at the time the passages were written, what people God was talking about. Which Covenant came first and second. You are lucky you have it in order, and that someone did the job for you. So your arguement is rediculous.
---Mark_V. on 9/28/11


Mark_V.: "Very bad advice..."

Only in your mind. Do you write personal letters having verse numbers? Verse numbers and chapters were included in the bible only three hundred to five hundred years ago. Today's christians are over educated. Verse numbers force people to over analyze what is simply written. That's why so many different interpretations.

And who said anything about scrammbling the verses? If you write a personal letter or an entry in your personal journal, do you not write in logical order? The bible is nothing more than journal writings and personal letters. Read it as such to get the overall meaning.
---Steveng on 9/27/11




Rob
//The only times I have heard about double portion.//

The double portion of an inheretance is what the father would give to the first born son as part of the birth right. This is what Jacob stole from his brother. So for two sons the father would divide his stuff into 3 parts 2/3 would go to first son the remaining 1/3 would go to the second son.
---Scott1 on 9/20/11


Steven, you said,

' Try reading the bible through the eyes of a child - and without verse numbers or chapters."

Very bad advice. A child knows little and needs they need adults to help them live a righteous life. You insist a Bible without verse numbers, Wrong again. You are lucky you have verse numbers, If you removed the verse numbers in your Bible, you would still have the Bible in the order the verses an chapter were written. But if you removed the verse numbers and scrambled all verses somehow, it would take you a life time to know what was said at a perticular time. Just nonesense.
---Mark_V. on 9/20/11


Do you believe in a second work of Christ as relates to the filling or baptism of the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit?
---paul on 9/17/11

Joel 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, THE FORMER RAIN, and THE LATTER RAIN in the first [month].

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the EARLY AND LATTER RAIN.

Penticost was that EARLY/ Former rain. the Latter rain is yet to come.
---francis on 9/19/11


By "real insight" I was just acknowledging that I was not providing any real, or direct scriptural, insight and would welcome it if someone did. I was recognizing the limited value of my own comments.
---Rocky on 9/17/11

Rocky, based on your other responses, i figured so. i have a dry sense of humor which does not translate well in hyperspace. but, it is always good to test the spirits including me.
---aka on 9/18/11


Amazing, simply amazing that a person does not use a dictionary and then do an online KJV bible search for the word "portion."

But heed my warning that we as the last generation are an over educated bunch of people and will apply an over educated definition instead of a simple understanding. People today are just too educated to understand the simplicity of the bible. They tend to over analyze every word, phrase, and verse. Try reading the bible through the eyes of a child - and without verse numbers or chapters.
---Steveng on 9/18/11




I have understood that he wanted twice as much anointing of the Holy Spirit, as Elijah had. And Elijah then said if Elisha saw Elijah being caught up, that would mean Elisha's request was granted. And Elisha did see Elijah caught up. So, he did get whatever he was asking for.

But our character can effect how we understand and take how God blesses us. The disciples were with Jesus, Himself, but they thought this gave them special status, at first, at least, but they needed to become humble about being with Jesus > "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/17/11


Rob, I liked your answer, so true W.O. F. do ask for double portion.
In 2 Kings 2: "A double portion of your spirit" was not merely Elisha's request to succeed Elijah in his prophetic ministry, since the Lord had already revealed this succession in ( 1 kings 19:16-21). Nor was it Elisha's desire for ministry superior to Elijah's. Elisha was asking to succeed Elijah's in the prophet offices, as God had promised, with spiritual power beyond his own capabilities to meet the responsibilities of his position as Elijah's successor. And since only God can give spiritual power, Elijah did not have the ability to grant Elish's request. But if he saw his departure it would be a sign God Himself would grant the request.
---Mark_V. on 9/17/11


However, there is a difference between hyperbole and sarcasm from self-promotion per this example.
//Of course if anyone has some real insight I would welcome it.// ---Rocky on 9/16/11
---aka on 9/17/11
By "real insight" I was just acknowledging that I was not providing any real, or direct scriptural, insight and would welcome it if someone did. I was recognizing the limited value of my own comments.
---Rocky on 9/17/11


Notice that many people can be filled with the Holy Ghost at the same time, and yet there is always more holy ghost to go around.
---Francis on 9/17/11

Francis
Do you believe in a second work of Christ as relates to the filling or baptism of the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit?

Paul



The Holy Ghost is like a never ending pitcher of oil, I could fill many jars and still have much left over. When each jar is filled, it has as much as it can contain. But GOD is that pitcher of oil, he has unlimited portions of the holy ghost
---Francis on 9/17/11

I like this, very encouraging.

And I wonder if Elisha got two rides in the chariot of fire, 2Kings 2:11

Paul
---paul on 9/17/11


Adam was firstborn. Every firstborn in every tribe gets a double portion
---tonne on 9/17/11


//Perhaps it only means he was expressing the need for a lot, like when someone asks for 120% of your effort, which by definition is impossible.//

hyperbole was (and is still) a common device in communication in the Middle East. another example... rending clothes as sign of deep remorse.

However, there is a difference between hyperbole and sarcasm from self-promotion per this example.

//Of course if anyone has some real insight I would welcome it.// ---Rocky on 9/16/11
---aka on 9/17/11


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I like this question

Notice that many people can be filled with the Holy Ghost at the same time, and yet there is always more holy ghost to go around.

So there is only so much we can get. Only Jesus could get ALL of the holy ghost

everyone else only gest a portion. So one preson could request to have as much as the other guy ( john the baptizer has as much as elijah) Or two times as much as the other goy ( elisha had two times as much as elijah)

The Holy Ghost is like a never ending pitcher of oil, I could fill many jars and still have much left over. When each jar is filled, it has as much as it can contain. But GOD is that pitcher of oil, he has unlimited portions of the holy ghost
---Francis on 9/17/11


Perhaps it only means he was expressing the need for a lot, like when someone asks for 120% of your effort, which by definition is impossible. It is possible to "overstudy" a scripture or to find connections or meanings that are not there. Of course if anyone has some real insight I would welcome it.
---Rocky on 9/16/11


That is a good question
Here are a few text that may help.
2 Kings 2:9 let a DOUBLE PORTION of thy spirit be upon me.
Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the(SAME) spirit and power of Elias,
Ephesians 5:18 be filled with the Spirit,

So people can have different measures of the Holy spirit, or at time a particular " spirit" Example spirit of wisdom.

But how much did Jesus have:
John 3:34 for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him].

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

It seemed that ONLY JESSU has the fullmeasure of the Holy Spirit, all others only got a portion
---Francis on 9/16/11


The only times I have heard about double portion, was from the False Teachers of the WOF.

They tell people if they send money, in return they will receive a double portion from God.
---Rob on 9/16/11


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It could also be in reference to a firstborn son receiving the double inheretance from the father. So symbolicly Elisha is asking to be his son and build on what Elijah has established.
---Scott1 on 9/16/11


I suppose what I am thinking is this.

Was Elisha asking for more anointing then his predecessor?

I have witnessed in my ministry that some Preachers have more anointing then others do and was curios if that was what was being requested here.

Like in Acts 5:15 Peters shadow healed people as he passed by, ever seen that level of anointing before.

Just a thought.

Paul
---paul on 9/16/11


i guess that we always assume that Elijah's spirit was at 100%.

but, didn't Elijah run from Jezebel just after he smote her priests with the power of God?

if Elisha knew this, maybe he was asking for twice of what Elijah had because, Elijah's spirit was less than 50%.

it only takes the faith the size of a mustard seed to move a mountain. maybe, he was asking for "two mustard seeds".
---aka on 9/16/11


a double portion is twice as much as God has already given us which is much more than I deserve. I probably couldn't handle a double portion.
---shira3877 on 9/15/11


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well a double portion is the portion doubled i guess ,-)
---andy3996 on 9/15/11


I don't know but when I get it, I'll let you know..lol.

God's blessings are RICH so I'm not sure what God considers a double portion, but I consider it MORE than the original amount. Just my measley opinion.
---Donna5535 on 9/15/11


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