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Christian Turning Atheist

I have been a Christian for 5 years. I am stepping out of my faith and returning to a life of atheism. I gave my heart, soul, dedication and love to God and he has chosen to ignore me. He has allowed horrible things to take place-over and over again.

Moderator - Dee, it appears you have been misinformed of who God is. Satan and his demons are the ones that are out to kill and destroy not God.

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Christianity vs Hinduism
New Birth vs Rebirth
Jesus vs Krishna

How can these be compatible in ayway?

BEWARE is a very strong warning.

BEWARE of wolves in sheeps clothing.

WHY should we BEWARE of wolves in sheeps clothing?

If you know the answer to that, then you know why we are to BEWARE of philosophy and VAIN DECEIT.

BEWARE of Dogs, BEWARE of evil workers, BEWARE of the concision.

BEWARE!! WARNING< WARNING!
---kathr4453 on 9/21/11


Rocky is sounding mysteriously like Barack Obama, who claims to be a christian, yet praises the religion of Islam and their beliefs while scoffing Christian beliefs.
---Jed on 9/21/11


You also stated we need to preach love without warning and judgement to come.
Kathr4453 on 9/21
No, I never said that. As I wrote on another thread "One is saved from death due to sin. One can explain this to potential converts without emphasizing "the wrath of God" and all it connotates. Jesus' message is a message of love, and while it is a message of saving us from our sins, I don't think emphasizing fear is part of his message, We should go to him in love not fear." That post was in the midst of others supporting "end-of-the-world" websites and championing end-of-the-world "prophets" and dire warning messages. And I never said I "practiced" Hinduism, I do not.
---Rocky on 9/21/11


Listen Rocky, DeeDee Asked a question here and many came down on you for offering Hinduism as a solution.

WHY? Because Hinduism goes down easier? So you can control your suffering and come out where you think is the best place?



You also stated we need to preach love without warning and judgement to come.

I'm not sure you really are saved Rocky. But you do have MarkV as a friend who obviously selects who he believes is depraved and who is not. Those who practice Hinhuism and Christianity in his book os OK, so on CN, what ever is OK with MarkV must be ok with God!
---kathr4453 on 9/21/11


Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy
--kathr4453 on 9/21/11
You seem to be citing this as an argument for remaining ignorant of Hindu philosophy and, since the citation places no qualifications, all philosophy? Do you really believe this citation states we must never read Socrates, Aristotle, Kant, or Kierkegard? Never study epistemology, ethics, or political philosophy? I don't think it does. It does not say "never read", but "beware" or be cognizant and understanding and exercise caution. Wise words when not misapplied. In my post on 9/20 I showed how you had distorted what I had posted before and attacked me for words you put in my mouth. You still have posted nothing that refutes that.
---Rocky on 9/21/11




Rocky: As usual, we are having a problem with semantics.
--jerry6593
I agree. I also agree that the law Jesus referred to in Mat5:17-18 is the 10C, likewise in v19 when he refers to them as one of these least commandments, but the Jesus goes on in Mat5 to state many But I say unto you directions that I believe are part of the more complete law of God, and obviously not part of the 10C. The 10C never changed, nor were done away with, but a greater law was added to it. Since people at the time of Isaiah never had this law, his test to apply the law they had or there is no light in them was limited in time.
---Rocky on 9/21/11


Colossians 2:7-9
7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power
---kathr4453 on 9/21/11


Rocky: As usual, we are having a problem with semantics. "The law" to which you are referring is not the Ten Commandment Law (10C) which I claim has not changed, but rather the "handwriting of ordinances" (Col 2:14). Jesus said in Mat 5 that "the law" would not change by one jot or tittle while heaven and earth remain. In context, the law to which He referred was the 10C. This is the same new covenant law which Paul quoted from Jer 31 in Heb 8 & 10 as written on the heart with no change in this fundamental law having been mentioned.

Since Jesus wrote the 10C Himself (as opposed to the handwriting of ordinances written by Moses), and since He said they would never change, I'll stick with Him.
---jerry6593 on 9/21/11


The Bible has the best answers about God and Jesus, but I find many other books helpful for inspiration and understanding. Reading about Hindu philosophy and their concepts about suffering in the world provided me illumination on that subject. If you have never read any, how do you know you would not find some gems of thought there? If someone has lost their faith due that very subject, and so is not inclined to read the Bible or find answers there, perhaps they can elsewhere and maybe it will help them regain their faith.
---Rocky on 9/16/11


Rocky, I understand you loud and clear. I believe it all started with THIS comment.

Shame on you!
---kathr4453 on 9/20/11


Dee-Dee, when we become Christians YES we do fall into trials and often those are very difficult. But Gods purpose for those is for you to SEEK HIM, through HIS WORD developing the mind of Christ, we grow up into HIM who is made unto us, wisdom and understanding. So the wisdom of this world, Satan or Gnosticism is not what Gods purpose is. The Purpose is to conform us to HIS IMAGE, and to become partakers of HIS divine nature. Through this we are being changed from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of the Lord.
ALL ELSE is garbage. Will be burned, and no rewards at all in them. God is a jealous God, and very possessive of HIS Children.
---kathr4453 on 9/20/11




Rocky, Dee-Dee was not asking about self inflicted suffering.
--kathr4453
I never said or assumed that she was. Again your assumption is wrong.
You also wrote "You cannot serve two Gods Rocky."
That assumes I said or implied that, another false assumption or interpretation.
And you wrote "Maybe you don't like those trials either and decided to conger up some of your own??????"
No. I did not. I never even suggested creating any trials. You make up things to criticize me about.
Shame on you for putting words in my mouth and then lecturing me as if I said your words.
---Rocky on 9/20/11


Yes it is about self-denial, as is Christianity about turning from worldly indulgences, which you might have been implying.///

The Amish along with many others have practiced self denial of worldly indulgences. And then we do have the extreme who scorge themselves physically, deny themselves sleep, food etc. Rcc monks...it's ALL coming from the same self self self righteous man-made religion.

Didn't even the Pharisees like others looking at them as they fasted, looking gaunt as though that were spiritual?


---kathr4453 on 9/20/11


Rocky, Dee-Dee was not asking about self inflicted suffering.
She was referring to those WE count it all JOY when WE fall into various trials that ONLY GOD allows that bring about perfection. James 1, that you may be perfect and entire lacking NOTHING. And that Rocky cannot be brough about by SELF imposed trials and self imposed inner scorgings.

Our perfection or MATURITY is in Christ alone.

You cannot serve two Gods Rocky. It's the Holy Spirit that moritifies the flesh. Romans 8:11-13. And God's perfectly designed trials, and how we handle THOSE trials are the ONLY thing that matters.

Maybe you don't like those trials either and decided to conger up some of your own??????
---kathr4453 on 9/20/11


No. Perhaps better wording would have been that there are many paths to lead people to Jesus and though him to salvation.
---Rocky on 9/19/11

Ha. Yeah,where is "Your" many paths is found where in scripture?
What Apostle/Prophet testify's your "Many Paths" doctrine?

Psalm 17:4
Concerning the works of men, by the word of thy lips I have kept me from the paths of the destroyer.

Jeremiah 18:15
Because my people hath forgotten me, they have burned incense to vanity, and they have caused them to stumble in their ways from the ancient paths, to walk in paths, in a way not cast up,

---Trav on 9/20/11


Are you sure YOU know what Hinduism is? And YES I do object.
Kathr4453on9/21
Yes. That you now identify some other features of Hinduism does not change the fact that your first characterization of it was very wrong. Yes it is about self-denial, as is Christianity about turning from worldly indulgences, which you might have been implying. Hinduism has many false beliefs, but again I never recommended it as a way to find truth about God. To what do you object? Dee_Dee was questioning suffering in the world. There were sixteen posts prior to mine, not one really addressed this central issue. Rom14:19: Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
---Rocky on 9/20/11


I was questioning why you did not direct her to the Word of God.
MarkV 9/20/11
As I stated on 9/17, others had already directed her to the word of God, there were 16 posts before mine. I thought, and still think, that she might benefit from reading about Hindu philosophy. Frankly I am surprised that so many here are so closed minded. I have never cited Hindu scripture as proof of any truth, nor espoused Hindu beliefs over Christian ones. Dee_Dee has not found answers in scripture, others recommended some to her, and if she can find some answers elsewhere that might help her grapple with these issues in her mind and find some understanding, I think that is a good thing.
---Rocky on 9/20/11


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Fundamental changes in the law?
--jerry6593 on 9/20/11
Do you follow all the OT Bible commandments then? Should we put to death everyone that works on Sabbath (Ex35:2)? Is it OK to sell one's daughter as a slave (Ex21:7)? How can we confine women that are menstruating for 7 days or ensure we have no contact with them (Lev15:19)? Or for two weeks when a woman bares a female child (Lev12:5)? Do you still give burnt and sin offerings to your priest? How can we stone people for cursing God, as God commands, and not be sentenced to death ourselves (Lev24:14) Have you ever stoned anyone for it?
---Rocky on 9/20/11


You wrote There are many paths to lead people to salvation, they should not all be ignored I want to make sure I understand you, are you suggesting Hinduism, or anything/anyone other than Jesus Christ can save?.
--Chria9396
No. Perhaps better wording would have been that there are many paths to lead people to Jesus and though him to salvation.
---Rocky on 9/19/11


Rom. 8:35, Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril or sword? (37-39)Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us.For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor powers,nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature,shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
---Reba on 9/20/11


Rocky: "So all of the new laws Christ taught, indeed the fundamental changes in the law, violated the law of which Isaiah spoke. So is there no light in them? "

New laws? Fundamental changes in the law? I don't know any. Could you give a few specific examples, please.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Does Hindu philosophy teach:

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
---jerry6593 on 9/20/11


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Rocky, I was not telling you what to do or what to think. I was questioning why you did not direct her to the Word of God. You are free to give any advice you want.
Chria is correct, there is only one way, and that is through Christ, and you won't find Him in any Hinduism book. I'm sorry many came down on you.

Mike, you failed in your relationship not because of Christianity, but because you do not read Scripture. If someone tells you to jump off a cliff, do you jump? Why not admit you failed? God never fails.
---Mark_V. on 9/20/11


Rocky, Hunduism is all about SELF DENIAL, self imposed self denial. Not God imposed, or Holy Spirit imposed, but SELF IMPOSED self denial.

And there are several stages of this act of self denial.

Maybe you were not aware of that. The whole idea is that of re-incarnation, and coming back in a higher order than your last life. They worship MANY GODS, believe animals have souls, a cow is sacred. They believe re-incarnation occurs until the soul has reached perfection.

Are you sure YOU know what Hinduism is? And YES I do object.
---kathr4453 on 9/20/11


Rocky, I wish to start out by saying welcome to Cnet. Youve been here a short time and have added a great deal to the discussions here. May God bless you.
You wrote There are many paths to lead people to salvation, they should not all be ignored I want to make sure I understand you, are you suggesting Hinduism, or anything/anyone other than Jesus Christ can save?. I wholeheartedly believe Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.
---Chria9396 on 9/19/11


Hunduism imposes on itself suffering, inner scourging, self humiliation etc.
Kathr4453 on 9/19.
That is a lie. Shame on you. The central thrust of Hinduism is how to live a moral life. Scourging is only done by some extremist ascetics, something it shares with Christianity. They are not into self humiliation. No wonder you object to it, but your objection is based on gross ignorance.
---Rocky on 9/19/11


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Mark_Eaton, No acutally it is David Wilkerson. I know of Bruce too, and ho knows, he may be into that too.

Hunduism imposes on itself suffering, inner scourging, self humiliation etc. That is not the Gospel. That is the life of a monk. Also the RCC practices this as well. I Call them teh Sount American FLOG team. It's SELF sanctification. It's self trying to cast out self...

Anyway, you can read about it online. It's no secret. He uses Hannah Hurnard teachings at his school. He has been openy rebuked for it, but not sure where that all ended up.
---kathr4453 on 9/19/11


Answer in (Rom. 14:22,23).
Mark V.9/19
I agree that scripture has the answer. But read it all in context in verses 14-24. The message is about actions being justified by faith and not putting stumbling blocks in front of another. It does not condemn reading things other than the Bible.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
---Rocky on 9/19/11


Jerry regarding: Isa 8:20 Not all Hindu teachings disagree with the Bible. Your considering them all as one block is silly. And again I never suggested it as a source of truth, but it can aid in human understanding. Isaiah said that if they speak not to the law and the testimony, there is no light in them . But he had to be speaking about the law and testimony as they knew it at the time. So all of the new laws Christ taught, indeed the fundamental changes in the law, violated the law of which Isaiah spoke. So is there no light in them?
---Rocky on 9/19/11


My advise on this is to spend some time reading the bible. Yu are not the only one who feels that God has let you down, or that God does not care.

PSALMS 73,
Habbakuk chapter 1
Ruth 1:20 And she said unto them, Call me not Naomi, call me Mara: for the Almighty hath dealt very bitterly with me.
Ruth 4:14 And the women said unto Naomi, Blessed [be] the LORD, which hath not left thee this day without a kinsman, that his name may be famous in Israel.
Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away, blessed be the name of the LORD.
---Francis on 9/19/11


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Unfortunately there is a lot of Hunduism that has permiated the Church, through Kathryn Kulman, Hannah Hurnard, Benny Hinn, Dave Wilkerson, Quaker Theology (Fox) and so many more.
---kathr4453 on 9/18/11

I believe you may be referring to Bruce Wilkinson instead of David Wilkerson.

Bruce Wilkinson is the author of books like The Dream Giver, A Life God Rewards, and You Were Born for This.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/19/11


Moderator, A-men.
---Eloy on 9/19/11


dee

I understand what you mean by exhaustion. I obeyed & practiced what a pastor told me that self confidence is a SIN, middle of SIN is I. I denied myself to the point I was a doormat, when I met a woman who was reaching out to have A RELATIONSHIP, I pushed her away bec. christianity says receiving is a sin. but the same pastor was rich
christians say that it is a relationship yet ALL you hear is nothing but performance-obedience/cursing/blessing, that god controls your circumstances.
they don't give you PRACTICAL applications just accusations & performance.
---mike on 9/19/11


moderator
This is simple based upon what you say. You have not known the Lord yet. You have not been Born Again per Scripture. Maybe you preformed some ritual but you have never been Saved.
-elder

there is your satan & demon.
---mike on 9/19/11


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eloy
god never promised you a rose garden.

OH doesn't that in the bible?
obey, I will bless you
disobey & I will curse you

you obey self denial, sacrifice, ascetism - divorce yourself from the world & you have peace joy & blessings.

you just end up missing opportunities. then you see the same people accusing you of sin but they break their OWN rules.
you see pastors proclaim they have joy peace bec. they are rich.
---mike on 9/19/11


Rocly: "Reading about Hindu philosophy ....provided me ILLUMINATION on that subject."

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no LIGHT in them.
---jerry6593 on 9/17/11

Yes, Isa covers hindoo's nicely Jerry.
For Dee: Hebrews 11
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Psalm 23:4
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me, thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
---Trav on 9/19/11


Dee, not to sound cliche, but God never promised you a rose garden. We each are in a war of good against evil, so if you choose to join the other side and become the enemy of God Almighty, whom do you think will win? you or your Creator? You need to repent upon your knees and ask God for a deeper relationship with him, when you are in love with God, the Lord Jesus, then there is nothing that you and him together cannot overcome. Have faith Dee, his love will see you through all things.
---Eloy on 9/19/11


Rocky: "Please explain what you think this means .... many of the teachings of Jesus might violate this command."

Sorry, I assumed that you knew that "the law and the testimony" refers to Moses and the Prophets, and that "light" refers to truth. Thus, according to the Bible, if Hindu philosophy doesn't agree with the Old Testament, it is NOT the truth. It doesn't, and hence, it isn't.

The assertion that Jesus' teachings violate the OT is preposterous. The opposite is true.
---jerry6593 on 9/19/11


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Job learned a lot during his trials. Job was God fearing man through out the book but he learned that God was in control and all powerful during the ordeal.
---Scott1 on 9/19/11


Rocky, you ask me,

" "Anything without faith is sin" Please provide the Bible quote."

Answer in ( Rom. 14:22,23).
" Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith, "for what ever not from faith is sin"
And since faith comes from God, "Christ is the Author and finisher of our faith"
Here is the quote,"Looking unto Jesus, the Author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the Cross....." (Heb. 12:2).
Rocky, if she cannot find the Truth in the Bible, what does that tell you?
---Mark_V. on 9/19/11


MODERATER - READ JOB! It was the suggestion of God to remove the protection of JOB.

AMOS 3:6 Shall a trumprt be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in the city, and the LORD hath not done it.

ISAIAH 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace,and create evil, I the LORD do all these things.
---RICHARDC on 9/18/11


Let us all stop assuming WHY Dee wants to leave God.

Our job is to explain what he can do, and WHY God often leaves us to have lots of unpleasant things happen

Dee, I am sorry so many horrible things have happened to you. Could you tell us what these things are, and maybe we as Christians can see why God allows those things

In my life, too, I wonder why God lets horrible things happen. So maybe we can share some things.

Would you?
---Peter on 9/17/11


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Mark, "Why not direct her to the scripture?" Other posts already covered that. I assume she has been reading the scripture and it has not worked for her. She's turning from it. "Anything without faith is sin" Please provide the Bible quote. If a non-Christian helps a non-Christian is that sin? Was the good Samaritan committing sin? Just because some corrupted church doctrine with philosophy does not make all philosophy bad. I never suggested she find doctrine in philosophy. There are many paths to lead people to salvation, they should not all be ignored. I believe the power of God can heal, but I still see a doctor. I still recommend people see marriage counselors if they find no answer in scripture.
---Rocky on 9/17/11


Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no LIGHT in them.
---jerry6593 on 9/17/11

Please explain what you think this means (especially how broadly it is to be applied) and how it directly relates to reading about Hindu philosophy. And remember that they only had the OT law at the time, and not the Gospel of Jesus, so many of the teachings of Jesus might violate this command.
---Rocky on 9/17/11


Hebrews 10:29, Oh how much sore punishment suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, & hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, & hath done despite unto the Spirit of Grace?
Hebrews 10:31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Romans 5:1-4,(3)-...but we glory in tribulation also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience.
Eph.3:13- Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
2Thess.1:4-So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience & faith in all your persecutions & tribulations that ye endure.
---Reba on 9/17/11


Dee Dee, why not just tell him how angry you are with him? You wouldnt be the first person and you certainliy wont be the last. King David did it quite often.

Its better to admit you are angry at God or maybe even hate him a little than to delude yourself into thinking that He simply doesnt exist. You already KNOW he does.

At the times in my life when I was the most hurt, I was the most angry with God. At those times I was also the most afraid to express my anger towards him. When I did He was right there to comfort me and help me understand.
---CraigA on 9/17/11


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Unfortunately there is a lot of Hunduism that has permiated the Church, through Kathryn Kulman, Hannah Hurnard, Benny Hinn, Dave Wilkerson, Quaker Theology (Fox) and so many more.

Hunduismm teaches suffering to experience a higher place and order and life. But it has no CHRIST CENTERED teachig in it. Suffering and "the fellowship of His sufferings" are not the same.

So Rocky if perchance you have eaten some of this garbage, know it's satan's counterfeitting of the CROSS. Unfortunately even leej cannot see the difference.

You see how easy it is to be deceived? The Lord can only show you how deceptive it is.

You're caught in the snare of satan my friend.
---kathr4453 on 9/18/11


Rock, concerning other books, I agree many which teach about Scripture are great, but Hindu Philosophy, give me a break. Why not direct her to Scripture? Concering Mother Theresa, she was a wonderful woman "in the eyes of all of us who are human," because we don't see many doing what she did. But did she give a cup of water to those people "in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ?" That is the question. Anything without faith is sin. That is in the Bible, not in any human philosophy book especially a Hindu book. This is a person who needs direction to salvation, not to any philosophy. The fact is that most of the early church fathers brought their own philosophy into the Church and corrupted the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 9/17/11


Rocly: "Reading about Hindu philosophy and their concepts about suffering in the world provided me ILLUMINATION on that subject."

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no LIGHT in them.
---jerry6593 on 9/17/11


If atheism is better than what you think is Christianity . . . it certainly is possible for an atheist to be better off than a false Christian.

So, Dee Dee . . . are you still here? You might tell us more. I will offer, though > yes, there are many unfair horrible things that people did not bring on themselves, therefore they are unfair. But Satan's kingdom is so unfair, so people can get much worse trouble than they "deserve".

But with the real God, we start by having Him in His love (Romans 5:5). And you did not say you have ever experienced personally sharing with God in His own love.
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/17/11


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Dee-Dee, The Moderator is absolutely correct. Look in 1st John. There are levels of growth. Babies, Children, young men and fathers. Young men have OVERCOME the evil one.

And you can't overcome on your own. We overcome by faith.

"He teaches my hands to war that I may break the bow of bronze". David was talking about spiritual warefare.

Put on the whole armour of God. We don't fight against flesh and blood, but powers and principalities and rulers in dark places.

Admit your weakness to the Lord, and ask for His POWER to work through you, and read Ephesians 3:14-21. Now do more than read it, BELIEVE IT and let God prove it.
And Psalms 91 is awesome!
---kathr4453 on 9/17/11


dee
you have been following religion and believed in this
equation
obedience = blessings
disobedience = curse

so when bad things happen your believe it is punishmt for your disobedience. then you see bad people beig blessed including phony christians.
be careful with what you follow. you can decide & be a person not a robot. you can use common sense. many can exploit & manipulate using the bible.
---mike on 9/16/11


Rocky, Hindu books are no good. The Bible has all the answers.
--Mark 9/16

The Bible has the best answers about God and Jesus, but I find many other books helpful for inspiration and understanding. Reading about Hindu philosophy and their concepts about suffering in the world provided me illumination on that subject. If you have never read any, how do you know you would not find some gems of thought there? If someone has lost their faith due that very subject, and so is not inclined to read the Bible or find answers there, perhaps they can elsewhere and maybe it will help them regain their faith.
---Rocky on 9/16/11


Rocky, what makes you think Mother Theresa was saved? Is it because of her "good works?"
--Elder 9/16/11

I do not know for sure, but believe she was saved. Not because of works per se, but her great love for Jesus and others that motivated a lifetime dedicated to serving others, particularly the poor, and a lifetime of faith that carried through long periods of self doubt that tortured her immensely. While she felt nothing but emptiness and darkness, a trial greater than most, she never wavered in her actions, her true faith. I know the Spirit usually brings love, joy, and peace, but I think she was tested and found not wanting, and worth considering by others with faith issues.
---Rocky on 9/16/11


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Rocky, what makes you think Mother Theresa was saved? Is it because of her "good works?"
No one goes from faith to no faith if they ever had faith.
Look at Sampson, David, the man in I Cor 5, Moses and others. They got into sin but never lost their faith.
We also have to watch those who seek Hindu philosophy for guidence.
What do you think Salvation is?
---Elder on 9/16/11


hi! Dee Dee... Look n see that the Lord he is good! Thanks Donna5535 & Chria,Mark V., Darlene,Cluny (you always get me think w/ your bloggs!) smile Paul keep on.. You good express thanks! All my folks here.. Anyway, God made a way just like Chria .... Said just n time! Dee Dee,come back to the Lord!He really is good... I got more respect n love for him... We goin to share n sufferings sometimes, me ... My problems my own most time. No matter He is a God that does care! He is not Santa Claus... Lol All ChristiaNet!
---ELENA on 9/16/11


Dee-Dee:

I am saddened by your statement, but I understand your frustration. I believe it comes from a misunderstanding of the Christian life.

I thought that if I surrendered my life to God, that God takes over and everything will be smooth sailing. WRONG.

Life is not fair, life is not easy, and for the Christian, we get added pressure from the world, from our enemy Satan, and from our flesh. Add these all up and it spells trials and tribulations for the Christian.

This is where God comes in. He is our comfort, He is our joy, and He is our hope.

And God has gifted you to help others.

So, stop looking at what has happened to you and start looking at what you can do for others.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/16/11


Rocky, Hindu books are no good. The Bible has all the answers.

A person might think he has saving faith but not really possess it. The test for authentic faith:
1. We must examine our own hearts to see if we have true faith in Christ. We must see whether or not we have any genuine love for the biblical Christ. For we know such love for Him would be impossible without regeneration.
2. We must examine the fruit of our faith. We do not need perfect fruit to have assurance. But there must be some evidence of the fruit of obedience for our profession of faith to be credible. If no fruit is present, then no faith is present.
False assurance is believing a faulty doctrine of salvation.
---Mark_V. on 9/16/11


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Dee Dee, what horrible things have happened to you to make you think God is the author of them? Every good gift and every perfect gift comes down from the Father of Lights (Father God).

If I told you the horrible beatings I went through with my father and ex-husband, almost being killed twice, having 3 miscarriages, etc.
Through all the horrible things that have happened to me, I can HONESTLY say to God, "You loved me through them all, didn't you?"

HE REDEEMS YOUR LIFE FROM THE PIT Dee Dee..>Psalm 103 says so.

God is Love. Satan is the father of lies and somehow he got you to believe this is God's fault when it isn't at all...God is LOVE and he gave YOU His only begotten Son to die for your sins and mine.
---Donna5535 on 9/16/11


Elder, Do you believe that once saved a Christian cannot afterwards have significant doubts or lose faith? I am not Catholic, but I admire Mother Theresa and he commitment to God. Throughout her life she had issues of faith and for a long time lived in the dark night of the soul. Yet she has been beatified by the Catholic Church. Dee Dee, I am sad that you are stepping out of your faith. Please look to all the good things in the world, and keep an open mind, on your journey in life. Perhaps read a little about Hindu philosophy and how suffering is based on our own wants, or rational-emotive therapy and how expectations affect emotions and thought.
---Rocky on 9/16/11


This is simple based upon what you say. You have not known the Lord yet. You have not been Born Again per Scripture. Maybe you preformed some ritual but you have never been Saved.
---Elder on 9/15/11


dee dee, it sounds like you are stepping back into your faith...you have faith that there is no God.

Now, who is responsible for the horrible things that happen over and over? You cannot blame a God that does not exist. To an atheist, tragedy should neither be lamented nor rejected.
---aka on 9/15/11


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Dee Dee,

I am only speculating, but you may consider...

Maybe you "gave" your life to God without entrusting you eternal destiny to Him.

unfortunately that is a pitfall of "infomercial Christianity"

It is promised by some that you "give your life the God" then He will "change your life"

people get their hopes built falsely on the promises of unlearned people, and it can blow up in your face.

God doesn't ask us to "give" anything to Him to be His child. Jesus said that whoever will, come take the water of life without cost (Rev 22:17)

He also promises riches in the next life if we suffer (Rom 8:17). Look to the next life, entrusted only to Christ
---James_L on 9/15/11


Dee

Atheism is the belief that their is no God, you don't fit the bill.

You have served God as your own omission, to what level of sincerity only you and God know.

Their is a formula in James 4:7-8 and I urge you to follow that as best as you can and leave the rest to God.

God wants to work all things for your good Rom8:28 but you must meet Him with a level of commitment and seriousness.

Let me encourage yo to hold fast to God and forsake the idea that their is anything worth going back to, please read John 6:60-69

And don't give up Christ paid a heavy ransom for you to prove His love.

Paul
---paul on 9/16/11


Do you want prayer instead before you make this choice? Can you explain what you thought Jesus would do for you according to the Bible? This is not our home, we are strangers in a foreign land. As soon as we leave the devils camp he will come after us like a roaring lion and he is The Present ruler of this age and the sworn enemy of Emanuels children and will attack you in every way possible. Do you know what the "armor of God" is, and do you put it on every day? Without it you will be targeted and overcome relentlessly.
Pleas open your Bible that is where the power is, not in bad/false teaching, Christianity is not a pill, it's a relationship with the living God! Our redeemer lives!
---Poppa_Bear on 9/16/11


Dee-Dee read the stor of Joseph. Gen37-50. God did not let you down,
as moderator said maybe you have no clear vission of who God really is.

every spirit of discouragement i command to go in Jesus name. and every lie of Satan i rebuke in Jesus name i bind satan's power over you and declare freedom
---andy3996 on 9/16/11


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Dee Dee,please this is very important ..the enemy who is Satan,he attacks first & foremost your mind! Don't give 'n to his lies! I been stumble & fell,got back up it's not "sunny brooke lane" to serve the Lord,it's not always easy! He been there for me .. Born n a family...nobody wanted me! The test & hard times come to make you strong! If,I lose it all... I know God still be for me... He can give me a better house or not! I hold on becuz whatever God does in my life it goin worout for my good. Oh! Yes,we got to cry...Pick yourself up! It could be worse. We love you Sister. Don't become athiest! Stay with the Lord. It goin' be alright! His way sweet,tested & tried.
---ELENA on 9/16/11


Dee Dee do you honestly believe that a life of atheism will help you?
"This is a faithful saying: If we died with Him, we shall also live with Him. If we endure hardship, we will reign with Him. If we deny Him, He will deny us. If we are faithless, He remains faithful, He cannot deny Himself. You therefore must endure hardship as a good soldier of Jesus Christ." 2Ti. 2:3, 11-13 Remember Job, and look to Jesus, " the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him, endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hbr 12:2 "Blessed is the[one] who endures trial, for when he or she has stood the test, he or she will receive the crown of life." Jam 1:12
---Josef on 9/16/11


Dee_Dee, you may think you were a "Christian" before, and you are not the only one, there are many who claimed to be "Christians" but in the parable of the sower taught by Jesus, only the last ground (and ONLY by the grace of God working in them) will persevere to the very end. That is to say, without the Spirit of God working in the man, he will never ever persevere and will end up like one of the first three grounds.

Philippians 2:12,13 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
---christan on 9/16/11


Did you expect God to be controllable - to always do what you want? He is not, and will always do what is best for you rather than what you THINK is best. Is there some sin in your life that He wants you to address? If so, you won't progress unless you address it and move on. God will not take you out of all your troubles, but will rather lead you through them.
---jerry6593 on 9/16/11


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Dee_Dee:
Moderator is correct. It's satan who throws hardships at us.

Read the book of Job in Old Testament. Satan threw multiple major hardships against Job all for the purpose of trying to make him turn away from God.

We all go through these trials. The choice is whether we let satan overcome/destroy us or we trust God and be truly blessed.

---Haz27 on 9/16/11


Dee-dee, If you are walking away from the faith, then your faith was not sincere. True faith never fails. For true faith comes from God and it never fails. If you had true faith, you would be always depending on Him no matter the circumstances. True faith produces good works, and your works are not good, because they do not give glory to God. So don't worry, you were never saved begin with. What you need is to be truely saved. Then you will understand the God of Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 9/16/11


What did you do for the last 5 years to develop a relationship with God? Some folks just don't know how.

Did you STUDY God's word and put scriptures into your mind and heart and do you know God's voice is His word and His word is His voice? As you memorize scripturer, He speaks to you through scriptures.

Did you fellowship with other believers and let them mentor you these last 5 years?

Do you have a Pastor caring for you?

Did you bond with fellow believers?

If horrible things happened to you, that's the devil doing that. Jesus said the thief cometh to steal, kill and destroy. The thief is the devil. So you obviously don't know the difference between the devil (satan) and Jesus and who does what.
---Donna5535 on 9/16/11


Dee Dee when horrible things happen to us it isn't because God let them happen usually it is because of our poor choices which put us in a position to allow horrible things to happen. The Bible says John 10:10 Satan comes to steal,kill,and destroy. It isn't God at all but the Devil who hurts us. I once heard an older Christian say if the Devil doesn't attack you its because he already has you. You see its Satans job to try to tempt us,discourage us,or any thing bad to steal us from God and you are letting him. Luke 10:18,19 We have power over all the power of Satan when we call on God in Jesus name,rebuke the Devil in Jesus name. Instead of leaving God study the Bible more,pray before you do anything and seek God's will.
---Darlene_1 on 9/16/11


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Can you elaborate on what horrible things have happened to you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/16/11


If you don't believe there's a god, how can he be ignoring you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/15/11


The Father in Heaven is not a genie in a bottle ready at YOUR command to make your life easy, sweet, and perfect. Life is NOT easy if it were than "horrible" things would NEVER happen, however the EASY way out is to BLAME - so why not blame God ...if you truly gave your heart soul and dedication to God than you would wait for the stronghold to pass ...focus on what isn't going right and you get more of things not going right ...to come out of the stronghold one must focus on things above ...patience in all things some things take longer to pass - living in a fast-food mentality society that is hard to grasp yet stepping out of faith is a choice and GOD GIVES you and everyone free-will to walk away - true FAITH takes courage to stay
---Rhonda on 9/15/11


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