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As an INDIVIDUAL, are you SAVED? If so, how did you become SAVED, and what does it mean to be SAVED? Also, is your FAITH and TRUST in THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, or is it in another gospel, Galatians 1:6-10?

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Francis, you are still teaching the letter of the Law. The law does not change, it condemns all those who are lost. But it sure is fulfilled in Christ. Why don't you understand that? Jesus fulfilled the law for all believers. It is so simple. you don't even like that the law was fulfilled by Christ. The New Testament should not be seen as supplanting and abrogating the O.T., but as fulfilling it and explicating it. All the ceremonial requirements of the Mosaic law were fulfilled in Christ and are no longer to be observed by Christians (Col. 2:16,17). Yet not one jot or tittle is thereby erased: the underlying truths of those Scriptures remain-and in fact the mysteries behind them are now revealed in the brighter light of the gospel.
---Mark_V. on 9/27/11


If it was true that God had done away with teh sabbath:
1: Then Jesus did not need to die, all God would have to do is get rid of all the laws, and where there is no law there is no sin
2: Why would it be in the new earth
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD
---Francis on 9/26/11


---StrongAxe on 9/26/11
COMPARE:

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth..he shall.. think to change times and laws:
WITH
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
AND
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth,.. it shall come to pass, that..from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

True to His word there is no change in the law, Even in the New heaven we shall continue to keep the sabbath

Any attempted change is from THE BEAST NOT from God
---Francis on 9/26/11


Francis:
You are guilty of breaking the Sabbath and the 9 other commandments, as James 2:10 shows.

AND, using your own words in describing 1John3:6,
"whoever transgresses the law has not seen him nor known him".

Francis transgresses the law and is GUILTY of ALL so, according to SDA doctrine, you have "NOT SEEN HIM NOR KNOWN HIM".

Can you see the condemnation SDA doctrine brings?

BUT God says in Rom 8:1,2
"There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION to those who are in Christ Jesus,...For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me FREE from the law of sin and death."
---Haz27 on 9/26/11


-StrongAxe on 9/26/11
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Matthew 12:12 Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So you are saying more than a jot or tittle passed away a whole commandment passed away
---Francis on 9/26/11




Francis:

The reason is that Jesus taught the two greatest commandments: Love God, and Love your neighbor. These subsume all of the Law and the Prophets.

Also, Paul pointed out that after Jesus's crucifixion and resurrection, none of us are any longer under the Law. So, if we follow Jesus's teachings above, we will naturally obey 9 of the 10 commandments anyway (the one about the Sabbath being the sole exception). Note that Jesus was notably silent with respect to keeping the sabbath - except inasmuch as he did actions that were considered sabbath breaking by the Pharisees.
---StrongAxe on 9/26/11


It is not a matter that keeping those commandments makes us fall from grace. However, if we keep them in order that we may be justified, then we are believing in salvation by works, ---StrongAxe on 9/25/11
I agree with you 100%
I have NEVER ever said that we keep the commandments to be saved, or to be justified. Neither does any of the bible writers.

So why do people assume that when i say keep the commandments that it is for salvation or justifiaion?

This is my guess: The Law contains a commandment that few obey THE KEEPING OF THE SABBATH.

The reaction which says that we are not saved by keeping the law, ( WHICH I NEVER STATED) is a guilt reaction for not keeping the sabbath
---Francis on 9/26/11


StrongAxe, Haz27 on 9/24/11 posts:
It appears that SDA doctrine frustrates the grace of God saying righteousness is seen by the WEAK flesh (Rom8:3) keeping the SPIRITUAL law (Rom 7:14).
But all christiasn churches teach AT LEAST 9/10 of these SPIRITUAL LAWS:
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet

The exception being NUMBER 4.
So why is there no commants that they seek grace, salvation, or righteousness by 9/10 of the commandments?

10/10 UNACTABLE
9/10 GRACE and FAITH?
---Francis on 9/26/11


"If christians have love within then they have encompassed all the laws and the prophets. For it is written that love hangs all the law and the prophets."

---Steveng on 9/25/11
Yes, the "royal law" as James tells in James 2. Many christians 'believe' that they owe no obedience to any law, from God or from Moses...
that all they are required to do is love... That love has a form, "That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."
James 8 and 9 run together and it says that whosoever thinks he is fulfilling the royal law, he isn't who "have respect to persons".
Faith without works is dead and so is the royal law at the hands of the unmerciful.
1 John 2:10
---Nana on 9/26/11


FRANCIS 9/24/11 - Do you think God giving us a impossible task? - ( Even after a person been save they still have a body that lust after sin, and can and might fall into sin. You have to watch not fallen into what the Jews of the OT ---

ROMANS 9,32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by The Works of The Law, For they stumbled at that stumblingstone.( Not by up holding the law is one save - there is no such thing as sinless perfection.)

EPHESIANS 2,8 For by grace are ye saved thought FAITH, and that not of yourselves it is a gift of GOD. ( And this FAITH is the FAITH of Christ, Because are faith is a work,and can not save us.)
---RICHARDC on 9/25/11




Francis:
You quoted 2Peter 2:22 against Rob.
But you misunderstand this as its NOT talking about failure to keep the law.

Read 2Peter 2 from beginning to get context. Note it speaks of those in "darkness" (without Christ), who have turned away from the "truth" (Christ) and in spiritual "adultery" (seeking their own righteousness).

Your claim it refers to failure to keep the law, is typical SDA obsession with law keeping INSTEAD of Christ.

And your quote 1John3:6 "whoever transgresses the law has not seen him nor known him" YOU CONDEMN YOURSELF as you also transgress the law and guilty of ALL.

Better to believe on Jesus as you stand condemned under SDA doctrine.
---Haz27 on 9/25/11


If christians have love within then they have encompassed all the laws and the prophets. For it is written that love hangs all the law and the prophets.
---Steveng on 9/25/11


StrongAxe So Is John saying that we should keep the commandmenst or not keep them?

Or is he saying that we should keep the commandments ( NOT SIN) but if we sin we have an advocate in heaven?

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Have you ever noticed that God never says we should TRY to keep the commandments? he just says keep the commandments.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

What happens once you confess your sin and God forgives you, do you then CONTINUE TO SIN that grace may abound?
---Francis on 9/24/11


Take some time to think about this verse:
1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner, with such an one no not to eat.

If being saved by grace means we do not have to keep the law/ commandments, then why are we forbidden to eat with a brother who does not keep the law/ commandments?

Some have argued here that the brother who keeps the law has falling from grace, the BIBLE says that the brother who does not keep the second commandment must not be fellowshiped with.

Maybe Galations is NOT talking about the ten commandments, but the law given to Moses at herob
---Francis on 9/24/11


Im sorry francis did I tell you not to obey the law?
Or that you can pick and choose which one to follow?
You miss understood me. I was commending you on having kept them.
Isnt that what you saying, you have kept and do keep all the commandments.
This is true, right. Youre not lying to me.

Now, I have to ask you.
You are fulfilling the commandments of God.
Yes or No?

With James, I was just pointing out, he says youre not perfect.
Because of the way you spoke to Rod. I think you offended him.
At least try to. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man
Do you think you did, want to ask him?
---TheSeg on 9/24/11


Francis, where did I mention anything concerning falling from grace? You jump to conclusions, another trick to forget about one subject and jump to another. That is what many do. Stay on one fact and we can read the context and go from there. Jehovah Witnesses do that all the time. When anyone glues them to the context of one passage and right away want to go to another, never resolving the first one. First, choose the right purpose, for the glory of God. Then go from there.
---Mark_V. on 9/24/11


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StrongAxe said regarding 1John1:8-10 "Note that this was written to believers, and not unbelievers."

BUT read 1John1 from the beginning and note it's evangelical context.
"bear witness, and show unto you eternal life".
"declare we unto you...that ye also may have fellowship...with the Father, and with His Son.."
"If we say we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness (without Christ)"

It speaks to non-believers and remember unbelief in Jesus is the sin the world is convicted of John16:9
---Haz27 on 9/24/11


Francis said:
"The children of God DOES NOT TRANSGRESS THE LAW"

Then you condemn yourself Francis, as you admit you also transgress law. And to offend in ONE point you're guilty of all (including Sabbath) James 2:10.

But fortunately for believers our old WEAK man that could not keep the SPIRITUAL law, is dead.

1John3:9,10
"Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
...Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother."

Our righteousness is ONLY in Christ. Trying to prove your own righteousness through keeping the law, means you are not a child of God.

---Haz27 on 9/24/11


Francis:
Rob makes a good point about Gal 2:17-21.

It appears that SDA doctrine frustrates the grace of God saying righteousness is seen by the WEAK flesh (Rom8:3) keeping the SPIRITUAL law (Rom 7:14).

BUT, even the SDAs cant keep the law so are therefore guilty of ALL (including Sabbath) James 2:10.

Better believe on Jesus and be a new creation.
Sin was condemned in the flesh so that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us Rom8:4

Don't rebuild the things(self-righteousness through keeping the law) which were destroyed Gal 2:18.

The old man is dead. I no longer live but Christ lives in me.
Don't forget who you are (James 1:24)
---Haz27 on 9/24/11


StrongAxe, let's say that your current pastor moves out of state, and you get a new pastor. Your new pastor comes in with his french husband Pierre Francois. He says to the congregation that he is free in christ to have a husband because he is saved by grace, justified by faith, and he is no longer under the law. He then adds:
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Your words to him when you invite him and Pierre Francois to lunch would be...?
---Francis on 9/25/11


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Francis, I am trying to explain this in love. The salvation you seem to be proclaiming depends on man and not the merits of Christ. If we sin tomorrow then we lose our salvation and if we obey all 10 the next day we are saved and sealed by the Holy-Spirit again? This is how an abusive earthly father loves/dictates IMO. The systematic study of salvation-atonement-propitiation/ and so many verses proclaiming our security in the Masters love/work on the cross allow me to know that I cannot bring anything to the cross except a little bit of faith and even that was given by grace.
We are not saying that we are to run ruff-shod over the commandments, but we are saying that salvation is through Christs/cross.
---Poppa_Bear on 9/25/11


Francis, God does give us impossible task to keep. He commands us to be sinless. He knows we are not. Why does He command us to be sinless? Because as God He is law unto Himself, and would never tell anyone to break His law a little bit or a few times and its ok, He hates sin.
But unless you are sinless which I know you are not, because God Himself said, all come short of the glory of God, no one can keep the whole law. That is the reason we are in need of Christ. Who kept the whole law for us. Your questions concerning the law or for those who are under the law. Keep preaching them to them, not those in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 9/25/11


francis:

It is not a matter that keeping those commandments makes us fall from grace. However, if we keep them in order that we may be justified, then we are believing in salvation by works, then if we break ANY of the 613 Old Testament commandments, it is as if we had broken every single one of them.
---StrongAxe on 9/25/11


I am indeed saved...born again into the family of God. God commands us to love the brethren and our neighbors as ourselves.
---shira3877 on 9/25/11


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Mark_V.
Show me ONE VERSE in galation or any other bible verse that says if we obey these commandments that we have fallen from grace:
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet


TheSeg Which of these commandments would you choose to not obey
Do you know how many times God commandments us to keep his commandments, do you think God is giving us an imposible task?
---francis on 9/24/11


francis:

Why not go back to the beginning of the same book:

1 John 1:8-10
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

Note that this was written to believers, and not unbelievers.
---StrongAxe on 9/24/11


James is not saying that we cannot keep, or should not keep all the commandments. What james is infact saying is that we MUST keep all the commandments, because the whole law is made up of ten commandments, and when we break any one of the commandments we have indeed broken the whole law. James is saying that we cannot pick and choose which of the ten commandments we want to keep.

For those of you who think that Galations says we SHOULD NOT KEEP THE LAW see 2 V 17. ANd know that Galation is not about obeying the ten commandments, but rather the law of Moses.
Malachi 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
---Francis on 9/24/11


1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our transgression of the law, and in him is no transgression of the law.

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him transgresseth not the law: whosoever transgresseth the law hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

OK so this is how we know the children of God from the children of the devil.

The children of God DOES NOT TRANSGRESS THE LAW
---francis on 9/24/11


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Remember, I was brought up in a SDA home. I do know what they teach and believe!
---Rob on 9/23/11
well let me prove you to be a false witness,

Show us with REFERENCE where SDA teach that salvation come from obeying the law and not from grace of christ:

Here are good SDA references to quote from:
STEPS TO CHRIST
27 funtermental beliefs
SDA manual

DO NOT tell me what you understand or believe SDA to teach, use a SDA reference NOT what someone says about SDA I gave you three great references all online and convinient
---Francis on 9/24/11


Hello,Yes,I believe 'n my heart that I am saved. Been thru some stuff! Satan set a many snare,God step'd in Right on time. I love my church,bible say let everyone with fear & trembling work out their soul salvation Ph.2:12-16.Always too,I tell others we are to beshare,learn,study,exhort,teach,"grow in grace"...Wow! So,much,inspiration & humility all this good on ChristiaNet myview. Times bare my soul on here! "take off the masks" tell what God doing in our lives!maybe,people "spiritually dead" unsaved on here will Receive Christ into their hearts! Jesus Christ will supply our needs,first "taste" see that the lord is good! To the Seg... Like all you teach all the way...
---ELENA on 9/24/11


francis, thank you!
It's good to see someone else can keep all God commandments.
This is what you're saying right. You are keeping his commandments! (Christ-like)
I've never met anyone before who openly admits they are keeping all the law.
God has truly blessed you.

From what you have posted. I would say you are a perfect!
I know you have sold all that you have and given it to the poor.
You indeed are perfect!

Explain this to me?
Jas_3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

It's almost as if James is saying, you are not!
Because, of your post to Rob?
---TheSeg on 9/24/11


Francis, when you answer you need to have your motives on the right Person, for the glory of Christ. Poppa Bear, Rob and others are correct. Just take the case in Galatians that Rob mentioned, It does have a context. Works of the law (v.16) is saying that keeping the law is a totally unacceptable means of salvation because the root of sinfulness is in the falleness of man's heart, not his actions. The Law served as a mirror to reveal sin, not a cure for it ( Gal. 3:22-24: Rom. 7:7-13: 1 Tim. 1:8-11). If the Judaizers doctrine was correct, then Paul, Peter, Barnabas and the other Jewish believers fell back into the category of sinners because they had been eating and fellowshipping with Gentiles, who according to the Judaizers were unclean.
---Mark_V. on 9/24/11


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Axey: "is your last name really 6593?"

Are you The Seg? If you had read the blogger instructions, you'd know from instruction no. 7 that you are to use the PenPal name given to you by ChristiaNet. The name they gave me is jerry6593. I'd be willing to bet that they didn't give you the name "StrongAxe".
---jerry6593 on 9/24/11


Remember, I was brought up in a SDA home. -Rob on 9/23/11

And now you feel that you can

1. worship other gods.
2. worship idols.
3. misuse God's name.
4. Not keep the Sabbath holy.
5. dishonor your father & mother.
6. murder.
7. commit adultery.
8. steal.
9. lie.
10. and covet because you are no longer a SDA?

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for ROD not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after ROD have known it, to turn from THE HOLY COMMANDMENT delivered unto ROD.

2 Peter 2:22 But it is happened unto ROD according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again, and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
---francis on 9/24/11


Very plain to see, these scriptures are not saying the same thing.
One is works
//Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him,...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.//

One is not.
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
---michael_e on 9/23/11


you still reject what is written in Galatians 2:17:21, --Rob on 9/23/11

Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

In plain english: Although we are justified by faith we must still:
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet
Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
---francis on 9/23/11


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Francis, when one studies scripture, it is very important they examine it in the true context which it is written, along with asking and answering the questions WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, and WHY, and TOO WHOM it was written. The scripture you share was written to the Jews, and before Chriat went to the cross.

Why do you continue to avoid answering what is written in Galatians 2:17-21?

Remember, I was brought up in a SDA home. I do know what they teach and believe!
---Rob on 9/23/11


Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him,...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
---francis on 9/23/11


As the reformers put it, by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone. As far as law and grace. The law came through Moses, but Grace came through Jesus Christ. If we dont take into account what a covenant is then we have a hard time understanding the difference between the old covenant of the law and the new covenant that Christ instated in the upper room. The covenant of the law was fulfilled in Christs fulfillment of all the laws requirements and a new covenant was established in His blood. This is foundational in building up our understanding of Christs amazing work on the cross IMO. A study of Galatians/Romans is a great starting point.
In His loving grip
---Poppa_Bear on 9/23/11


What should be done with an adulterer? Can't find one?
Did God not tell Moses! They are to be stoned to death!
Well then Gal_4:21! Has this law changed?
No, right! Mat_5:18! So the law stands!

So, anyone who says they are keeping the law.
Can now join the other liars, Joh_18:31!
I'm trying to make the law clear to you!
By the law of God then, obey it!

You think I'm saying break the law?
No, I'm saying, know we all do!
Don't lie to God or yourself!
So when you see your brother breaking it.
Know! So do you!

God wants us to love each other, forgive each other.
Every mountain will be made low.
Every valley will be filled.
Well, Im done!
---TheSeg on 9/23/11


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Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Luk 10:25-27 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? and [Jesus] said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour as thyself. And [Jesus] said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

the testimony of Jesus summarized the 10 commandments of God into two. Jesus was a raving heretic or telling the Truth.
---aka on 9/23/11


Paul's rebuke in GAL 1:6-10 reminds us that SALVATION is an on-going relationship, not a one-time experience. Our actions of FAITH, BELIEF, and OBEDIENCE are the key requirements for our eternal life.
The requirement of an Active relationship and submission to Jesus, is apparent in nearly EVERY salvation verse. In Christs own words, John 15:13-14 (AMP) (13) "No one has greater love than to lay down his own life for his friends. (14) You are My friends if you keep on doing the things which I command you to do."
Christ laid His life down for His friends Who actively obey His Commands. Love being the greatest. Salvation is a continuous, active obedience to Christ's commandments. Beware the trap of 2 Timothy 4:3.
---Tim on 9/23/11


Francis, you still reject what is written in Galatians 2:17:21, which means you also reject CHRIST along with REJECTING WHAT CHRIST DID ON THE CROSS.
---Rob on 9/23/11


None of what Francis proclaims is love, but judgment.
James 2:12-13 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy, and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Romans 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
Romans 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
---micha9344 on 9/23/11


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//Rob, how can you say we are saved by grace, yet you insist on... //

that is pretty good, but that is also the point. we, in this shell, war between spirit and flesh. we cannot do the ten perfectly even though our desire is to (Rom 8). that is why we need grace. without it, we would not have salvation.

jesus said, if we do the 10 we will be saved. but, are you going to put your evaluation of your own performance before the One who actually knows?
---aka on 9/23/11


When will you learn that being under grace, and being under the law is totally different, and law and grace are in dirrect contradiction of each other and can't co-exist.
---Rob on 9/23/11
really?
1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
---francis on 9/23/11


Fancis, grace means that when you break one of God's laws, you confess your sin and he is willing and just to forgive you of your sin. Grace does not mean you just ignore his commandments and not try to abide by them. We are to obey God, not so that we can earn salvation, but because God told us if we love him we will obey him.
---Jed on 9/23/11


Rob, how can you say we are saved by grace, yet you insist on
1. not worshiping other gods.
2. not worshiping idols.
3. not misusing God's name.
4.
5. Honoring your father & mother.
6. not murdering.
7. not committing adultery.
8. not stealing.
9. not lying.
10. not coveting

Don't you think that is hypocritical and having a double standard?
---francis on 9/23/11


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Frances, how can you say we are saved by grace, yet you insist on being under and keeping the law, and try to get others to do the same.

Don't you think that is hypocritical and having a double standard?

When will you learn that being under grace, and being under the law is totally different, and law and grace are in dirrect contradiction of each other and can't co-exist.
---Rob on 9/23/11


No Jerry, back when AOL first came out. I wanted the firth three letters of my last name. Someone already had it. So I added "The" Now I only use hotmail.
Feel free!
I go by Frank, but my name is Francisco.

Mark, if people would only see themselves as sinful, but forgiven!
Then it would be so easy to see (well, what really is the truth!) All have sin!
But, most people can't!
It seems most people want to see some good in themselves.
I don't blame them! Even though Christ said "there is none good, but one!"
But while you're looking for that good in yourself, you find fault with other.
Then what became of the good you were seeking?
Amen Brother, Peace!
---TheSeg on 9/23/11


jerry6593:

You asked: The Seg: Is your first name really "The"?

We might as well ask you an equally meaningful question: is your last name really 6593?
---StrongAxe on 9/23/11


The Seg: Is your first name really "The"?
---jerry6593 on 9/23/11


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The Seg, your answer to Jerry was right on. He called it blaspheming to have faith that we are saved. The very thing we need to have, he finds wrong. I cannot understand how he can believe in all the teachings he claims, without faith. He has no faith in what he believes. If he does he is blaspheming God. Wow. That is a new one.
---Mark_V. on 9/23/11


Rob, A-men brother. Jesus is The Only Way, not "a" way, but "The Only Way".
---Eloy on 9/22/11


Eloy, I am saved by GRACE through FAITH IN CHRIST, and CHRIST ALONE, John 3:16-21., John 14:6, Galatians 2:19-21.

To this very day, I am thankful the Lord has openned my eyes, rescued and delivered me from the religions, traditions, rules, regulations, and ways of men, 2 Corinthians Chapter Eleven, and 2 Peter Chapter 2.
---Rob on 9/22/11


all be the grace of God:
We ARE saved,
We ARE BEING saved,
We WILL BE saved

by Grace through faith
---Francis on 9/22/11


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No . . . I am not saved just as an individual, but we in Jesus are all "members of one another", Paul says in Romans 12:5 and also in Ephesians 4:25. Also, when John shares the message in 1 John 4:17, he says. "Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." He says, "we", here, not just "I". This means all of us who may have "boldness in the day of judgment" because of how God's love makes us as Jesus is, more and more as we grow. So, God does give us this assurance, as our Judge sharing with us what He knows.
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/22/11


jerry6593
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Ye judge after the flesh, I judge no man.
"How can we know?"
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

It's not judgment, its forgiveness.
Are you looking for a judgment?
If you want a judgment, I'll give you it right now. Guilty!
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Is it really, so hard to believe? You are condemned already!
Are you now going to say no I'm not?
I might be found innocent?
For all have sinned!
Peace!
---TheSeg on 9/22/11


i know who saves.

i am saved if i am delivered. hopefully, some of will realize before that day how we contribute to the worker's of iniquity/lawlessness.
---aka on 9/22/11


How can we know? It is God who judges our fitness for salvation - not we ourselves! If we claim God's office as Supreme Judge for ourselves, we are usurping His sole prerogative, and are thus blaspheming!
---jerry6593 on 9/22/11


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Rob, very good question. My hats off to you. Can you please share how you also received Christ?
---Eloy on 9/21/11


While reading the following statement.""As an INDIVIDUAL, are you SAVED?' yes I am, glory to God! "how did you become SAVED, and what does it mean to be SAVED? God, in His mercy and Love, made Himself/ the gospel known to me, and embracing Him and His truth, I believe and put my trust in Jesus Christ, His work on the cross, His resurrection. He is the author and finisher of my faith." By---Chria9396 on 9/21/11 the Holy Spirit told me to agree that this statement could have been mine.
---mima on 9/21/11


Eph 2:8-9, For by grace are ye saved through faith, & not that of yourselves: it is a gift of God: Not of works lest any man should boast.
John 3:16, For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Rom. 10:9-10,That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, & shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, & with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.As an individual, yes I'm saved- How? by believing & accepting Christ as my Saviour, according to the Word of God.
---Reba on 9/21/11


Eloy, again sorry to disagree with your statement when you said,
"By repenting and praying to Jesus to be saved: to be saved means to be born-again. It happens when a person surrenders up their whole life up to Jesus, and asks him for his new life."

When a person is born of the Spirit, he receives the ability to believe and repentance by convicting him of his sin against God, then he believes in Jesus Christ by faith through the word of God, and he sees his sin against God and repents and ask for forgiveness, and by excepting the promise of Christ by faith, a person receives eternal life, and is saved from the wrath to come. He is baptized into one body in Christ, indwelled and seal by the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 9/21/11


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Yes, I'm saved. Saved means saved from the wrath of God. Born again means the first time you are born of the flesh, the second time you are born of the Spirit. Your spirit comes alive unto God via the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. He works in conjunction with your spirit and you are a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit.

My Faith and Trust is in the TRUE Gospel of Jesus and in John Chapter 17 Jesus said, "Thy word is truth>" By this you will know that you've come to know Him, that my children are walking in truth. Truth is God's word. Everything outside of God's word is truth mingled with an opinion or a lie.
---Donna5535 on 9/21/11


I am saved through Jesus Christ. not through a denomination nor their ideas. I follow scripture and not manmade opinions.
---Candice on 9/21/11


"As an INDIVIDUAL, are you SAVED?' yes I am, glory to God! "how did you become SAVED, and what does it mean to be SAVED? God, in His mercy and Love, made Himself/ the gospel known to me, and embracing Him and His truth, I believe and put my trust in Jesus Christ, His work on the cross, His resurrection. He is the author and finisher of my faith. I first understood the gospel message when I lived in Pittsburh Pa, and would listen to/watch a 24 hour christian television station while nursing my baby at all hours of the day and night. There was a wide variety of teachers/preachers, I now know some things were false, yet God still got through to me by His Word.
---Chria9396 on 9/21/11


The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor, he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

He said the one who hear and believes! Then!
How is it? The very people, who say they believe!
Don't believe that God sent Christ to save the world.
It seems like a very simple thing, to me.
You believe he did or you don't!

So, what about the ones that don't know?
They have not heard, have they?
---TheSeg on 9/21/11


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Yes.
By repenting and praying to Jesus to be saved: to be saved means to be born-again. It happens when a person surrenders up their whole life up to Jesus, and asks him for his new life. Your life is changed, your stony heart is replaced with his heart of flesh: your life is evidenced to be replaced with Christ's life. Your rotten or barren earthly fruits are gone, and have been replaced by good and manifold heavenly fruits.
My faith and trust is in Christ alone, for he alone is proven to be worthy of all my praise and all of my worship: Christ alone is my Lord and my God, and in him alone will I live and obey now and forever always. A-men.
---Eloy on 9/20/11


THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, revealed to Paul, so simple, you have to make an effort to miss it. The simplest explanation being,
1 Cor.15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 9/20/11


We are saved because God said so.
And for no other reason!
That is, if you can accept it.
Some say they do, but when they speak, it shows!
---TheSeg on 9/20/11


I agree with Ignatius

We ARE saved,
We ARE BEING saved,
We WILL BE saved

all according to scripture

If you muddle together all the aspects of salvation, you are gonna end up in a big heap of mess

trying to figure out why two out of three salvation passages disagrees with your theology
---James_L on 9/20/11


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My faith and trust is in our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ Himself, not in a theory about how He saves us.

There's a big difference between the two, but apparently it's one too subtle for many to grasp.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/20/11


According to the Bible, I am saved, I am being save, and I will be save.

My Faith is in the Gospel, not words of men. I do not listen to ANY man here on CN.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/20/11


We are saved by grace and faith lest anyone should boast
---leigh on 9/20/11


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