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What Is a Spiritual Delusion

What is spiritual delusion, and how does one fall into it? How do we guard against it?

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Thomas

Professor Moule:

"In John 20:28 Ho kurios mou kai ho theos mou [that is, My Lord and my God], it is to be noted that a substantive [like God] in the Nominative case used in a vocative sense [in address to Jesus] and followed by a possessive [of me] could not be anarthrous [that is, without the definite article the]... the article [the] before theos may, therefore, not be significant...the use of the article [the] with a virtual Vocative (compare John 20:28 referred to above, and 1 Peter 2:18, Colossians 3:18ff.) may also be due to Semitic idiom."

Pages 116, 117, of An Idiom-Book of New Testament Greek, by C. F. D. Moule, Professor of Divinity in the University of Cambridge, 1953 edition, England.
---scott on 10/11/11


Even after we have done all that God has asked of us we are still unworthy. That doesnt mean because we are unworthy the Lord doesnt require us to strive against sin! He didnt save us so we could sin our lives away and fall back on "once saved, always saved" as an excuse to do so.
---CraigA on 10/10/11


'Irreverently shouting 'My God!' Marc (2)

Additionally, there is at least one other scriptural example (to my knowledge) that describes one man speaking to another who, in reality, directs his words to God.

1Sa 20:11 - "Jonathan said to David, "Come, and let us go out into the field."

Vs 12 - "Then Jonathan said to David, "Jehovah, the God of Israel, be witness! When I have sounded out my father about this time tomorrow...if there is good feeling toward David, shall I not then send to you and make it known to you?"

So the possibility of Thomas' words "my God" being directed to Jehovah while speaking to Jesus is not without scriptural precedent.
---scott on 10/11/11


Scott: You argue that because Jesus addressed the Father as "MY GOD", then "HE is not GOD" in your view. In the Is.9:6 that you quoted, God also called the Son "Eternal Father", by your logic does this mean that God is not Eternal? Human reason/logic do not define God/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit! It is only God that describes/reveals Himself to man.
---Adetunji on 10/11/11


Scott said: ''Whether Thomas' exclamation 'my God' was directed to Jesus or Jehovah is of course irrelevant. Marc overlooks the fact that the Bible uses the term "God," in reference to the Almighty, to angels, to men acting with divine authority''


Is irrelevant? How cunning of you, Scott.

So now Scott wants us to call angels 'The God of me' or even men 'The God of me'?

No, Scott, it's all over red rover. Thomas called Jesus ''The GOD of ME'', thus making Jesus Jehovah. The Scriptures plainly say this, irrespective of what Brooklyn instructs you to believe.
---Marc on 10/10/11




"Irreverently shouting out ''My God! What a great football match [or whatever]''? Marc (1)

So now Marc attaches 'irreverence' to Thomas' remarks if they were not directed to Jesus Christ. There is no contextual basis for such a conclusion.

Whether Thomas' exclamation 'my God' was directed to Jesus or Jehovah is of course irrelevant. Marc overlooks the fact that the Bible uses the term "God," in reference to the Almighty, to angels, to men acting with divine authority and of course to Jesus. (Is 9:6).

The problem that Marc's ("my God") argument creates for himself is that Jesus calls the Father "my God" at John 20:17 and after his resurrection to heaven at Revelation 3:2,12.
---scott on 10/10/11


Jerry //It is also the practice of some on this website. Using multiple false names to try to fool others into accepting one's beliefs is lying!
---
Yes, I know that you love to criticize the messenger rather than the message. I will from now on use lee1538, instead of lee, leej.
---lee1538 on 10/10/11


Lee: "And that has been the testimony of many that have left cult denominations."

It is also the practice of some on this website. Using multiple false names to try to fool others into accepting one's beliefs is lying!
---jerry6593 on 10/10/11


Yet again, Scott avoids the point, preferring to offer a well-scripted, but entirely irrelevant, piece from his Watchtower publicity machine.

Thomas called Jesus ''The God of me''. If he wasn't, then he was using an expression that was taking God's name in vain.

The question I asked you was 'Would you approve of your children, or someone in your Kingdom Hall maybe, irreverently shouting out ''My God! What a great football match [or whatever]''?

If you wouldn't, then Thomas must be saying ''The God of me'' only to and about Jesus. Jesus is THE GOD of all of us!
---Marc on 10/10/11


"This would be an instance of Thomas taking God's name in vain." Marc

God's name is not God.

It may be challenging for you to recognize it (however one chooses to pronounce it) when you use bible translations that have replaced the divine name (Yod, hey, waw, hey), almost 7,000 times, with words like God or LORD.

"And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations." Ex 3:15 ASV
---scott on 10/7/11




In response to my comment that if Thomas' comment ''The God of me'' wasn't directed to Jesus, as God's Word says it was, but was an exclamatory surprise outburst directed at no one in particular, then this would be an instance of Thomas taking God's name in vain, Scott facetiously responds, ''So now God's name is God (Theos)?''

So, Scott, you welcome and approve of your children wandering around exclaiming ''Ohhhh, myyyyy Godddddd!'' every time they are surprised? And you chuckle with joy every time one of your work colleagues exclaims the same way? And what about those self-absorbed teenagers on public transport? You join in with them, chanting in unison,''OhhhhmyyyyyGoooodddddd!''?
---Marc on 10/7/11


The Emperor with no cloths...was totally delusional!
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11


The greatest warning about spiritual delusion today is this:

17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich, and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear, and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11


I believe Eloy has the best explanation as to what spiritual delusion really is - believing a lie and thinking the lie is the truth.

And that has been the testimony of many that have left cult denominations.
---lee1538 on 10/5/11


simply put, spiritual delusion is believing a lie and thinking the lie is the truth. Most of us have been lied to, and led to believe in some thing that is not true, like a salesman exagerating the value and claims of some thing, then after we buy it and try it personally for ourselves we discover and realize that we had just been deceived.
---Eloy on 10/5/11


//New to the audience, but not new to Christ...Incidentally, both summary laws are found in the Old Testament, so they cannot be "new" laws.//
---jerry6593 on 10/3/11

new audience?

John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
John 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

btw, why didn't they want to kill the man according to the Law? was this a new law? it seems that they were picking and choosing back then too.

//We believe that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ ALONE. //

i believe that Jesus Christ has always been Jesus Christ and not Michael the Archangel.
---aka on 10/4/11


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aka: Right. New to the audience, but not new to Christ.
---jerry6593 on 10/4/11


Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Lev_19:18 ...but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.

Joh 13:34 I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. As I have loved [not love] you, you should also love one another.

old law, new perspective....perhaps new revelation.
---aka on 10/3/11


Jerry //Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets"

Was Jesus speaking of Old Testament law here? If so, then if your brother dies childless, you need to raise children up for him from his wife. Matthew 22.24f.

Francis will quote Matthew 5:19 that whoever teaches against any of the least of His commandments will be the least in God's kingdom.

Of course, the more biblical oriented Christian will inform you that if any command in the OT that is not in the New is not applicable to the Christian walk - you know such things as Levitical food laws, sabbath keeping, etc.
---lee1538 on 10/3/11


\\kathr, God did not die for the world, he died only for those whom accept him.\\

Funny. That's not what the Bible says.

"For God so loved THE WORLD that He sent His only-begotten Son......"

"I, if I be lifted up, will draw ALL men unto Me."

"WHOSOEVER will, let him come."

There you see three witness from the Bible that disprove the statement I quoted at the beginning of my post.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/3/11


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Eloy, very good points you gave.
---Mark_V. on 10/3/11


aka: "Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets"

Exactly! The first law - love to God - summarizes the first four of the Ten Commandments, and the second law - love to man - summarizes the last six. This is the only interpretation consistent with:

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law."

Incidentally, both summary laws are found in the Old Testament, so they cannot be "new" laws.
---jerry6593 on 10/3/11


//Now, it would seem to me that anyone who claims salvation by Jesus should, at a minimum, try to obey HIS few simple Commandments //

agreed...His few simple Commandments...

Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

...as an expression of His understanding and graciousness toward us.
---aka on 10/2/11


aka: "it is Sabbatarians that do claim the way to salvation is through obedience to the commandments."

Not the SDAs I know. We believe that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ ALONE. That having been said, it was Jesus Himself who said "if you love me, keep my commandments" and "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law." Now, it would seem to me that anyone who claims salvation by Jesus should, at a minimum, try to obey HIS few simple Commandments as an expression of their love and gratitude toward Him.
---jerry6593 on 10/1/11


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kathr, God did not die for the world, he died only for those whom accept him. Because his death has zero meaning to the antiChrists, antiChristians and the hypocrites whose end is the eternal torments in the lake of fire and brimstone. Jesus is clear: "I pray not for the world, except for them that are mine, and I am glorified in them. Love not the world, neither the things in the world. If any person love the world, the love of the Father is not in that one." Jn.17:9,10+ I Jn.2:15.
---Eloy on 10/1/11


//It is true that we SDAs are not exclusivists when it comes to heavenly membership. In fact, we teach that there will be more Catholics in heaven than SDAs.

You would never get that impression from attending an adventist church. In fact, they teach that the distinction between true Christians - the remnant of God - and others is Sabbath observance.

In the end times, it is those that love the Lord but do not observe the Sabbath that will bear the mark of the beast - easy to see that in their literature, regardless of what they say.
---lee1538 on 10/1/11


i do apologize jerry...

you were not naming me, but i do not see your point because it is Sabbatarians that do claim the way to salvation is through obedience to the commandments.

but, i do agree with you, jerry...the way that some write make you wonder about their christianity.
---aka on 10/1/11


aka: I thought your real name was Joseph - not Lee.

It is true that we SDAs are not exclusivists when it comes to heavenly membership. In fact, we teach that there will be more Catholics in heaven than SDAs.

"isn't SDAs who call me antichrist? " Certainly not! According to scripture, the Antichrist Power is a world power regligio-political system - a definition that you couldn't possibly meet.
---jerry6593 on 10/1/11


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jerry6586 (from another blog)
//lee1538 (aka leej, maryg, leeonia, et al): ...the dominant belief that they alone are in God's favor and that obedience to commandments are prerequisite to eternal salvation.// - ironic that you and other SDAs keep on insisting that we are required to keep all God's commandments. i do not go to church on Sabbath.

//In general, they are very judgmental (hateful and intolerant) of other Christians."// - isn't SDAs who call me antichrist?

\\Now you know full well that SDAs are among the very few who believe that people from all denominations will be in heaven,// = actually, i did not. (btw-i did not say anything in that blog and i don't attack others. i challenge just the use of Scripture.)
---aka on 9/30/11


David mockingly comments: ''Warwick believes Thomas did not know who Jesus was during the whole 3 1/2 years of his association with Jesus as one of the 12 disciples''

David obviously thinks Thomas and the other disciples KNEW who Jesus was all the time they were with him. Yet God's Word says they ran from him, doubted him,and didn't have a clue that ''he was the image of the invisible God, that all things were created by him...and that in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead''.

Some knowledge they had David!
---Marc on 9/30/11


Two main spiritual delusions afflict Christianity today. They are: Sunday sacredness and the immortality of the soul.

The greatest spiritual delusion is yet to come - the personation of Christ by Satan.
---jerry6593 on 9/30/11


The Man - made trinity teaching IS spiritual delusion.
Scriptures for those that believe in trinity, Prov.14 v 12, Matt.15 v's 9 & 14, John 10 v 1, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15, ( Rev.17 v's 4 - 6, beginning with the trin rcc & down through her off spring churches the cath church, luth, presby, bapt etc. )
---Lawrence_Nemeth on 9/28/11


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"What is spiritual delusion"
Jesus explains it. "They will put you out of the synagogues, yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service." Jhn 16:2
"how does one fall into it?"
"And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me." Jhn 16:3
"For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge." Rom 10:2
"How do we guard against it?"
Seek the righteousness of God by faith. Come to a knowledge of the Father and the Son, For " this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." Jhn 17:3
---Josef on 9/27/11


Mornin CrigA, No bitterness here. I do appreciate your comment. "FIRSTLOVE".

But just an FYI about Adam & Eve, we do see in SCRIPTURE as our final authority, that after teh fall of Adam & Eve , they were capablle of knowing both GOOD and evil.

Trying to discect Eve's motives is really anti-climatic at this point. ALL have sinned and falen short of the Glory of God.

Immediately after the Fall, Genesis 3:15, God promised a redeemer.

Christ was crucified and risen to reconcile man back to God. We have been given teh ministry of reconcilliation.

OBEY GOD NOW and Preach the Good News.John 3:14-17
---kathr4453 on 9/26/11


Trav, you are comparing the glorified body of Christ flesh .... Find another reason.
---Mark_V. on 9/23/11

No reasoning with anyone who argues with O.T. Prophets. Wouldn't believe even if one rose from the dead. But,sheep don't argue...with them.
Eze 36:26
A new heart so will I give you, a new spirit will I put within you: I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 37:6
I will lay sinews upon you, will bring up flesh upon you, cover you with skin, put breath in you, and ye shall live, ye shall know that I am the LORD.

Eze 37:8
When I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
Selah.
---Trav on 9/25/11


What is spiritual delusion, and how does one fall into it? How do we guard against it?
---Blogmeister on 9/21/11

The things which are practiced which are not seen in the bible, and are contrary to the laws of God are spiritual delusion.

We think that God has someone changed his laws, that we can eat what we want, make any day our sabbath, pray to the dead, make graven images and pray to them, Babel and talk nonesense and call it tongues, drink what we please, all these are contrary to the word of God, yet because we choose not to beleive the truth these are strong delusion that we then believe a lie.
---Francis on 9/25/11


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KATHR4453 - 8/24/11 - Yes love the whole world, But no were in the Bible does it say saves, the whole human race,if everyone going to heaven why right the word Hell at all in the Bible? Only way you can come to that conculusion that all are save is to cut out large portion of the Bible.

MATTHEW 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in Heaven.

THESSALONIANS 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengence on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

THESSALONIANS 1:9 Who shall be punish with EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord, ---------------------
---RICHARDC on 9/25/11


Kathr, prayer is the only thing thats gonna work now.

Please dont let the argument turn you bitter. That will only affect your relationship with Christ and not his.
---CraigA on 9/25/11


Well, those who preach the Gospel don't have hatred for anyone, but know God is longsuffering wanting all to come to repentance. We know not all will, but out of LOVE the Holy Spirit has placed in our heart for the lost we preach Christ Crucified and risen, and whosoever will may come.

Funny some call that an evil agena.

Interesting!
---kathr4453 on 9/24/11


People who follow organisations who tell their followers that theirs is the original theology and the others came afterwards. When you ask these deceived for historical evidence, they're silent.

And of course, when you follow the evidence trail you see that it's the opposite of what the cults have argued. For example, the Arian Watchtower deludes its followers by claiming their theology came first. However, Arianism came well after the Trinitarian doctrine.
---Marc on 9/24/11


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Donna5535, I wanted to continue this for you to think about it, it is from my studies on Eve's tempation.
After getting Eve focus on what she could not have, that God forbid, Eve was prepared for the next step. Satan boldly declared, "You will not surely die" as saying, the results of such and such an action won't be as bad as God has said. Satan mimimized the consequences of sin. Then Satan said,"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God." Here satan planted the suspicion in Eve's mind that it was not beause the fruit of the tree would injure her that God had forbidden her to eat it, but because He did not wish her to be like Himself.
---Mark_V. on 9/25/11


Grandiose delusions :An individual is convinced he has special powers, talents, or abilities. characterized by fantastical beliefs that one is famous, omnipotent, or otherwise very powerful. The delusions are generally fantastic, often with a supernatural, science-fictional, or religious bent. In colloquial usage, one who overestimates one's own abilities, talents, stature or situation is sometimes said to have 'delusions of grandeur'. This is generally due to excessive pride, rather than any actual delusions.
---kathr4453 on 9/25/11


We know that spiritual pride and spiritual delusion run hand in hand. This same PRIDE and delusion is exactly why Lucifer fell. He actually believed himself to be God. He He exalted himself above and beyond what God had created him for. He will have his last chance at this exaltation when he sits in the throne as though he were God. Many who he has appealed to their PRIDE will beieve he is God. He has appealed to the pride of their FLESH,, one of the marks of the beast.
---kathr4453 on 9/25/11


Kathr, you are finally right, satan is still around, I can tell. His forces are working overtime, through many heretics who speak lies and change the Truth to a lie for their own purposes and hatred.
---Mark_V. on 9/24/11


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Satan is still here today:

How many today come along and say today:

Did God say He Loved the Whole World? Did God say He sent His only Begotten Son to die on a cross for our sin and rise again?

No, God REALLY didn't say that, He REALLY MEANT THIS.....
He only died for US, not you, God only loves US, He hates the rest.

Now if that isn't from the lips of hell, I don't know what is.

And many here have KISSED those lips of Satan, hearing his voice and not God's, AKA SPIRITUAL DELUSION.

And just listen to those NASTY, catty, lowely, earthy, snideful, remarks to those who rebuke their lies. Again evidence of SATAN.
---kathr4453 on 9/24/11


There are many forms of spiritual delusion. Jim Jones was delusional. And delusional people can be very charismatic and controlling. Those caught in their power have no discernment to see how often they change and contradict themselves. AND they hate those who can see it.

ALL Cults are spiritually delusional. They are controlled by the spirit world, by satan himself, who can transform himself into an angel of light and preacher of righteousness. That's the scarry part. And he uses many who spend 5-6 hours a day on line here recruting, causing doubt in God's word ALONE, and attacking the Body of Christ.

BEWARE!
---kathr4453 on 9/24/11


SIN is to doubt and or deny the Word of God. In Adam all sin, and all inherit a fallen nature.

FAITH is obedience in Believing and Obeying God's word.

It's very sinple, Abraham BELIEVED God, and God accounted it to him for righteousnesss.

When Adam & Eve fell, it in no way hindered the ability to BELIEVE God and His Word.

The Only way back to God is to Believe in His Only Begotten Son who took our sin upon Him, died for our sin, so that we may LIVE through Him.

Just by one simple act of disobedience all die, and by Christ's one act of obedience, those who place their faith in Him, will live.

Believe it or not!
---kathr4453 on 9/24/11


Trav, you are comparing the glorified body of Christ flesh which had no sin to that of man's flesh which is fallen. All flesh of man is fallen and will die. His has resurrected glorified. Not a good comparison. Find another reason.

Donna5535, the reason I know the serpent knew what God had told Adam and Eve, is because he asked the question, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" or why ask the question?
He had to have known. He insinuated doubt as to her understanding of God's will.

Kathr, your question shows doubt that the serpent had not fallen when he tempted Adam and Eve. Tempting someone is sinful, just as you do so many times. You need to find the Way.
---Mark_V. on 9/23/11


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We know anti_Christ is comng with many LYING SIGNS and wonders many will believe. If that's not spiritual delusion, I don't know what is.

And those who will have a Spiritual Mind will not take the mark.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/11


So it would appear then that Satan and 1/3 of the angels fell before Adam & Eve sinned.

So sin was already in the world/universe before the fall of man.


Wonderful thing about the NEW Heavenand earth...NO SIN will enter in!
---kathr4453 on 9/23/11


Mark_V, you bring up a good point. So how did satan know and hear what God had told Adam about not eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

Was satan there? or was he hanging out on the tree as a serpent and that's how he heard what God told Adam? That's a good point, one that I haven't heard yet...thank you for that revelation.
---Donna5535 on 9/23/11


I don't think the writer was speaking about the Holy Spirit, but rather I think he was speaking of people who can get so messed up, so misled by the enemy that they believe that they can only do God's work, that anything they do, no matter how carnal is God's work. They can even come to believe that they are one of the few "elect" that are going to heaven, and all the others are damned.
---ZedEx on 9/22/11

Hmmmm. Found some scripture, close.
Matt 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Philippians 3:2
Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
---Trav on 9/23/11


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Trav said: "Almost agree with you Cluny...but, the writer could have used the word "Spiritural". Holy Spirit cannot be deluded, so what kind of spirit? Not mentioned, doesn't apply."

I don't think the writer was speaking about the Holy Spirit, but rather I think he was speaking of people who can get so messed up, so misled by the enemy that they believe that they can only do God's work, that anything they do, no matter how carnal is God's work. They can even come to believe that they are one of the few "elect" that are going to heaven, and all the others are damned. Rasputin was in spiritual delusion.
---ZedEx on 9/22/11


Suggesting that those in the flesh will enter the kingdom of God. Another way into heaven. Now she is dellusional.
---Mark_V. on 9/22/11

Christ was flesh. Thomas put his fingers into the flesh. He drank wine with them.
Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

I agree there are some, one most particular who see the prophets/apostles as delusional for what they wrote. Rather than believe.
Hebrews 11:22
By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel, and gave commandment concerning his bones.
---Trav on 9/22/11


Donna5535, nothing wrong with your example. To be deceived by an dellusion. Many things happened to Eve when the serpent first begin talking to Eve,
"Is it really a fact that God has prohibited you from eating of all the trees of the garden?"
Satan obviously knew what God had said to Adam and Eve, or he would not have asked what he did. He delibertely distored what God had said. Satan was getting Eve to take her eyes off all the good things God had given her to enjoy, and got her to focus only on the one thing that God had forbidden. All her attention was focused on the one thing she could not do. After that she was prepared for the slaughter.
---Mark_V. on 9/22/11


One meaning of "spiritual delusion" can be how I am fooling myself into thinking God expects me to make choices without submitting to Him for what He wants. Any time I am making my own choices without submitting to God, I am not living in His Holy Spirit. And so I can be in weakness, so I give in to worry and unforgiveness etc. witch also are forms of spiritual delusion keeping my attention away from God guiding me "continually" (Isaiah 58:11, Colossians 3:15). And Satanic emotions have me mainly concerned about what is happening to me, instead of caring for others as much as myself. This self-destructive fooling is because of "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." (in Ephesians 2:2)
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/22/11


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spiritual delusion (in my measley opinion) is when someone takes something spiritual and diverts it from the truth. They believe a lie of the devil, but they think they are believing truth.

Does that make sense?

Example would be: When satan the serpent said to Eve in the Garden, "Hath God REALLY said you shall surely die?"

He somehow got her first to respond to him which was Eve's biggest mistake, talking back to the devil, and second, she somehow bit his lie and believed it. HOW did that happen if she was walking in the light with God and Adam?
---Donna5535 on 9/22/11


Evil communications corrupt good morals. Whenever we know that a person, or satan himself, speaks to us then we must not take to heart any thing at all that they, nothing. For as soon as you accept any word or suggestion that they say, then you will be influenced and you will be believing lie, rather than truth, and the consequences are great damages and destruction personally for you and for all else that you spread the deception and the wrong way too. I see it happen all the time, one evil person persuades a person in authority into doing some wrong thing, and then everybody suffers, and sometimes for many years, because of merely listening to the wrong person.
---Eloy on 9/22/11


Evil communications corrupt good morals. Whenever we know that a person, or satan himself, speaks to us then we must not take to heart any thing at all that they say, nothing. For as soon as you accept any word or suggestion that they say, then you will be influenced and you will be believing lie, rather than truth, and the consequences are great damages and destruction personally for you and for all else that you spread the deception and the wrong way too. I see it happen all the time, one evil person persuades a person in authority into doing some wrong thing, and then everybody suffers, and sometimes for many years, because of merely listening to the wrong person.
---Eloy on 9/22/11


1 Chronicles 28:9 "And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee, but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever."

Apparently David is misquoted one way or another for he tells his son to "seek" the Lord, to know him and to serve him!
---Nana on 9/22/11


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A Spiritual delusion is something that looks like spiritual truth but it is not truth.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

One example is those who believe the lie that they do not have to keep the sabbath as commanded by God. they choose to believe a lie and make another day their Sabbath. This is a very strong delusion because although they can clearly read the commandment in scripture, they are nto able to tear themselves away from the lie
---Francis on 9/22/11


A "delusion" is a DELUSION, an untruth is an UNTRUTH, an intentional deception is a LIE, whether pertaining to a spiritual or secular issue. This is 'proper discernment' (properly discerning "sword" of a Godly person, "sword of the spirit").

When God was speaking to Ezekiel about worshippers ("Israel") who took the idols/kingdoms of this world INTO THEIR HEARTS, He was saying 'LAY OFF EZEKIEL, I will answer them MYSELF'.
Virtually all humanity has embraced the kingdoms of pride, etc. IN THEIR HEARTS, but worshippers/believers will receive "all WICKED deception".

Ezekiel 14:7,8 "and yet comes to a prophet to inquire for himself of me, I the LORD will answer him myself".
---more_excellent_way on 9/22/11


Christan, great answers you gave. The depravity of man, many refuse to believe, they are dellusional.
Another dellusion whether spiritual or not has been made by one person here on line. She believes that all Israel will be saved even those without faith in Jesus Christ. That is why she said she did not have faith before confessing Christ, that she got everything after. And because she is a Jew, she already has a promise given to Abraham. Suggesting that those in the flesh will enter the kingdom of God. Another way into heaven. Now she is dellusional.
---Mark_V. on 9/22/11


"For this cause, God shall send them strong delusion....."

What else is this but SPIRITUAL delusion?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/22/11

Almost agree with you Cluny...but, the writer could have used the word "Spiritural". Holy Spirit cannot be deluded, so what kind of spirit? Not mentioned, doesn't apply.

A mental self delusion, mind seeing and hearing delusion most likely?
One form,many delude themselves, avoiding literally thousands of substansiating witnesses in scripture. Some build and protect their own delusions. Sadducees and Pharisee's did. Jim and Tammy did....deluded people bought into.
---Trav on 9/22/11


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They are narcissists and control freaks because of their insecurities and will not speak to you with a straight face (they have a secret agenda and speak to you with a GRIN smile).
---more_excellent_way on 9/21/11


Scripture mentions your descriptions above. Called "pastors" and preachers today for the most part.
I have known a couple out of a hundred that were humble shepherds, operating by scriptural and Christ guidance.
Don't qualify myself. But, recognize a good pasture from a barren one.

They are dealt with most severely, but these types you mentioned, they don't really believe anyway. T.V. brings some of the most evil of these right in our houses.
---Trav on 9/22/11


Everyone born is in "spiritual delusion" (aka spiritual bondage) because of what the fall of Adam did to his posterity. And we are all from Adam. Scripture declares: "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God."

We are all therefore slaves of Satan as declared by Paul in Ephesians 2:2,3 until God sets us free from this "delusion" (bondage). Just as Israel who were in bondage in Egypt for four hundred and thirty years, it was God who set them free. This points to the spiritual bondage of the man and unless God sets him free, he will always be in "delusion".

That's how serious the fall of Adam was.
---christan on 9/22/11


Many people like to oppose me instead of present a logical, relevant, and reasonable arguement against the verity/truth of what I write. It should be well understood by all of the wise people of the world that I did not claim that the phrase "spiritual delusion" cannot exist (Cluny, I see you LIKE the truth).

Ignatius couldn't resist the opportunity to oppose me (not surprising, the whole world fears and resents what I write).

1 Corinthians 12:31...(a BETTER devotion based on LOVE)...

"And now, let me show you a more excellent way".

Do not LIKE the truth...
"because they refused to love the truth....AND SO BE SAVED" (2 Thessalonians 2:10).
---more_excellent_way on 9/22/11


\\Stick with only divinely inspired words/concepts written in scriptute.\\

"For this cause, God shall send them strong delusion....."

What else is this but SPIRITUAL delusion?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/22/11


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Ha! Ha! Ignatius, you are very funny. A major requirement of being truly Godly is that you have to stop being childish. The Lord wants us to put away all silly talk.
---more_excellent_way on 9/22/11

You right. But I wasn't the one who first commanded Christians to use only the words/phrase/concepts found in the Scriptures. You did. Remember?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/22/11


I can imagine that ALL OF HUMANITY could feel self-conscious and even embarrassed that neither the word "Christianity" nor the word "bible" are in scripture, but don't blame me for making an issue of "divinely inspired words", it's all of the "followers" throughout history who self-righteously claimed to be sincere (I guess there have only been a few of them all throughout history,....RIGHT?).

Ha! Ha! Ignatius, you are very funny. A major requirement of being truly Godly is that you have to stop being childish. The Lord wants us to put away all silly talk.
---more_excellent_way on 9/22/11


Stick with only divinely inspired words/concepts written in scriptute.
---more_excellent_way

"more_excellent_way" is not in the Scriptures. Neither is "bigshot" and much of the words/concepts you just said in your post.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/21/11


\\There is no such phrase or concept known as a "spiritual delusion".\\

Yes, there is. You just used it, yourself.

And so did Blogmeister.

How could you possibly use a phrase that did not exist unless it really existed?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/11


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Read Isaiah 66:4 and 2 Thessaloians 2:10,they both show that when people believe the lie of Satan or evil,refuse God,and in New Testament won't receive the Gospel of Christ God brings strong delusion upon them and they are lost forever without hope of redemption. That is all I found concerning delusion in the Bible. I've never heard of spiritual Delusion,the two spiritual and delusion seem to be opposing statements for to have delusion one must reject the things of the spirit and God.
---Darlene_1 on 9/21/11


Its The Great Deception. People who entered the kingdom of God through evil deeds. The Broad Road
---veronica on 9/21/11

You can't enter the kingdom of God through evil deads. There is only one way, Jesus Christ. The broad way leads to destruction, not the kingdom of God.
---Jed on 9/21/11


There is no such phrase or concept known as a "spiritual delusion".

People simply make up many phrases and alternate concepts in order to play bigshot intellectual and suck/lure you in to their kingdom of pride, insecurities, fear/mistrust, and pettiness.

They are naysayers because they feel that nobody is as good as they are.

They are narcissists and control freaks because of their insecurities and will not speak to you with a straight face (they have a secret agenda and speak to you with a GRIN smile). Beware of their demon trickery and tactics. Stick with only divinely inspired words/concepts written in scriptute.
---more_excellent_way on 9/21/11


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